patrick.net

I think amounts in the billions should pay some tax, even if I can get the benefit for amounts a thousand times smaller.

The Federal Estate tax is generally levied when the net value of the estate is greater than $11.7 million. The estate tax maxes out at 40%.

Billionaires pay a ton. Regular folks don't have to worry about it.

If you really want to sock it to the uber wealthy put a cap on charity contributions. Say a couple of million per year.

That would fuck with their tax planning.

I'm pretty sure that billionaires can pay literally zero tax on the vast majority of their wealth through the mechanism described above. It will go to their kids, but they won't pay tax either.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1484355983082094598?source=patrick.net

James Lindsay, watching narratives crumble
@ConceptualJames
Jan 21
The World Economic Forum's Great Narrative Conference: "The good news is the elite across the world trust each other more and more... the bad news is that the majority of people trusted that elite less..."

No shame about using the word "elite" to distinguish themselves from us plebes either.

elites=exempts

Interesting read, don't now if it was posted on patnet or not:

https://twitter.com/great_reset2030/status/1484360966045270018/photo/1?source=patrick.net

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/what-if-legislatures-stood-up-for?source=patrick.net

what if legislatures stood up for people?
placing rights above self-righteousness is the essence of a republic

el gato malo

now HERE’s a story i can get behind.

it’s been depressing watching summit county and salt lake go increasingly “woke” and “karen.” summit imposed a 45 day indoor mask mandate a couple weeks ago as a kowtow to the pseudoscience and anxiety appeasement of “bluetah.” both summit and SLC have been requiring masks on kids in schools more or less all year.

first order of business for the new legislature?

freeing the people.

boom.

SALT LAKE CITY — The Utah House of Representatives voted Friday to overturn mask mandates in Salt Lake and Summit counties.

The joint resolution to terminate the mask orders, including the student mask mandate in Salt Lake City, passed by a 45-29 vote.

SJR3 passed the Senate with a 22-5 vote on Tuesday, the first day of the Utah Legislature’s 2022 general session.

Because it’s a joint resolution, it does not need Gov. Spencer Cox’s signature to become law, and Cox does not have the power to veto it. The Utah Legislature gave itself the ability to overturn local health orders by joint resolution in SB195, also known as Utah’s COVID-19 “endgame” bill, which was signed into law last year.

the aptly named “endgame bill” that gave the legislature power to countermand the unelected health commissars of covid has proven quite useful.

perhaps this is a template for other states.

this is sound reasoning:

Republican senators supporting the resolution said wearing a mask should be a personal decision.

“People do not like it when we make decisions for them. They just don’t,” said Sen. Daniel McCay, R-Riverton. “Utahns should be free to wear a mask or get a vaccine, or stay home, but the government should not be mandating or dictating what businesses should be enforcing, especially when it comes to personal health decisions.”

and this is NOT:

However, Democratic senators who voted against the resolution said the Legislature should leave mask mandates up to local control.

“If you believe in local control, the county has decided that this is in their best interest,” said Sen. Kathleen Riebe, D-Cottonwood Heights.

“It kind of annoys me, to be honest with you, that we are wasting time in this debate when it’s set to expire automatically, and we have skyrocketing cases,” added Sen. Derek Kitchen, D-Sandy.

this is not “local control.” after all, what could be more local than the ability to control oneself?

this is pushing coercive policy imposition down to a level where it can win. this is not freedom, it’s force used to impose upon people’s lives and livelihoods.

i heard from some friends in the area that park city teachers were literally crying and claiming they were going to die because the kids would no longer have to be masked.

this is a truly frightening decent into performative histrionics. the evidence is and has been overwhelming that masks in schools do nothing to stop covid. masks do not stop covid. not even N95’s. this is 100 years of settled science. it has not changed. it was ignored.

masks are a made up epidemiological cosplay cargo cult.

they offer nothing but dehumanization and submission to the most neurotic. the fact that so many teachers seem to love them so much should lead us to ask some VERY pointed questions about the people with whom we have trusted our children.

it’s really quite striking how these folks so fond of extolling the resilience of children seem to have so little of their own. where did they outgrow it, i wonder?

perhaps it was trained out of them in school…

gatopal™ real developments sums it up perfectly:

Twitter avatar for @pdubdev
Real Developments
@pdubdev
The phrase “children are resilient” implies that the speaker knows they are harming kids, but hopes somewhere in the future they will recover.

It’s never right to hurt a child.
January 21st 2022

once you read that, there’s just no unreading it, is there?

a society were the teachers view the children as human shields is not a society that’s working. period.

Bd6r says

Interesting read, don't now if it was posted on patnet or not:

https://twitter.com/great_reset2030/status/1484360966045270018/photo/1?source=patrick.net

Thanks @Bd6r I don't think it was posted. Here is the text of the letter from Vigano to Trump:

OPEN LETTER
To the President of the United States of America
Donald J. Trump



Sunday, October 25, 2020
Solemnity of Christ the King

Mister President,

Allow me to address you at this hour in which the fate of the whole world is being threatened by a global conspiracy against God and humanity. I write to you as an Archbishop, as a Successor of the Apostles, as the former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America. I am writing to you in the midst of the silence of both civil and religious authorities. May you accept these words of mine as the “voice of one crying out in the desert” (Jn 1:23).

As I said when I wrote my letter to you in June, this historical moment sees the forces of Evil aligned in a battle without quarter against the forces of Good; forces of Evil that appear powerful and organized as they oppose the children of Light, who are disoriented and disorganized, abandoned by their temporal and spiritual leaders.

Daily we sense the attacks multiplying of those who want to destroy the very basis of society: the natural family, respect for human life, love of country, freedom of education and business. We see heads of nations and religious leaders pandering to this suicide of Western culture and its Christian soul, while the fundamental rights of citizens and believers are denied in the name of a health emergency that is revealing itself more and more fully as instrumental to the establishment of an inhuman faceless tyranny.

A global plan called the Great Reset is underway. Its architect is a global élite that wants to subdue all of humanity, imposing coercive measures with which to drastically limit individual freedoms and those of entire populations. In several nations this plan has already been approved and financed; in others it is still in an early stage. Behind the world leaders who are the accomplices and executors of this infernal project, there are unscrupulous characters who finance the World Economic Forum and Event 201, promoting their agenda.

The purpose of the Great Reset is the imposition of a health dictatorship aiming at the imposition of liberticidal measures, hidden behind tempting promises of ensuring a universal income and cancelling individual debt. The price of these concessions from the International Monetary Fund will be the renunciation of private property and adherence to a program of vaccination against Covid-19 and Covid-21 promoted by Bill Gates with the collaboration of the main pharmaceutical groups. Beyond the enormous economic interests that motivate the promoters of the Great Reset, the imposition of the vaccination will be accompanied by the requirement of a health passport and a digital ID, with the consequent contact tracing of the population of the entire world. Those who do not accept these measures will be confined in detention camps or placed under house arrest, and all their assets will be confiscated.

Mr. President, I imagine that you are already aware that in some countries the Great Reset will be activated between the end of this year and the first trimester of 2021. For this purpose, further lockdowns are planned, which will be officially justified by a supposed second and third wave of the pandemic. You are well aware of the means that have been deployed to sow panic and legitimize draconian limitations on individual liberties, artfully provoking a world-wide economic crisis. In the intentions of its architects, this crisis will serve to make the recourse of nations to the Great Reset irreversible, thereby giving the final blow to a world whose existence and very memory they want to completely cancel. But this world, Mr. President, includes people, affections, institutions, faith, culture, traditions, and ideals: people and values that do not act like automatons, who do not obey like machines, because they are endowed with a soul and a heart, because they are tied together by a spiritual bond that draws its strength from above, from that God that our adversaries want to challenge, just as Lucifer did at the beginning of time with his “non serviam.”

Many people – as we well know – are annoyed by this reference to the clash between Good and Evil and the use of “apocalyptic” overtones, which according to them exasperates spirits and sharpens divisions. It is not surprising that the enemy is angered at being discovered just when he believes he has reached the citadel he seeks to conquer undisturbed. What is surprising, however, is that there is no one to sound the alarm. The reaction of the deep state to those who denounce its plan is broken and incoherent, but understandable. Just when the complicity of the mainstream media had succeeded in making the transition to the New World Order almost painless and unnoticed, all sorts of deceptions, scandals and crimes are coming to light.

Until a few months ago, it was easy to smear as “conspiracy theorists” those who denounced these terrible plans, which we now see being carried out down to the smallest detail. No one, up until last February, would ever have thought that, in all of our cities, citizens would be arrested simply for wanting to walk down the street, to breathe, to want to keep their business open, to want to go to church on Sunday. Yet now it is happening all over the world, even in picture-postcard Italy that many Americans consider to be a small enchanted country, with its ancient monuments, its churches, its charming cities, its characteristic villages. And while the politicians are barricaded inside their palaces promulgating decrees like Persian satraps, businesses are failing, shops are closing, and people are prevented from living, traveling, working, and praying. The disastrous psychological consequences of this operation are already being seen, beginning with the suicides of desperate entrepreneurs and of our children, segregated from friends and classmates, told to follow their classes while sitting at home alone in front of a computer.

In Sacred Scripture, Saint Paul speaks to us of “the one who opposes” the manifestation of the mystery of iniquity, the kathèkon (2 Thess 2:6-7). In the religious sphere, this obstacle to evil is the Church, and in particular the papacy; in the political sphere, it is those who impede the establishment of the New World Order.

As is now clear, the one who occupies the Chair of Peter has betrayed his role from the very beginning in order to defend and promote the globalist ideology, supporting the agenda of the deep church, who chose him from its ranks.

Mr. President, you have clearly stated that you want to defend the nation – One Nation under God, fundamental liberties, and non-negotiable values that are denied and fought against today. It is you, dear President, who are “the one who opposes” the deep state, the final assault of the children of darkness.

For this reason, it is necessary that all people of good will be persuaded of the epochal importance of the imminent election: not so much for the sake of this or that political program, but because of the general inspiration of your action that best embodies – in this particular historical context – that world, our world, which they want to cancel by means of the lockdown. Your adversary is also our adversary: it is the Enemy of the human race, He who is “a murderer from the beginning” (Jn 8:44).

Around you are gathered with faith and courage those who consider you the final garrison against the world dictatorship. The alternative is to vote for a person who is manipulated by the deep state, gravely compromised by scandals and corruption, who will do to the United States what Jorge Mario Bergoglio is doing to the Church, Prime Minister Conte to Italy, President Macron to France, Prime Minster Sanchez to Spain, and so on. The blackmailable nature of Joe Biden – just like that of the prelates of the Vatican’s “magic circle” – will expose him to be used unscrupulously, allowing illegitimate powers to interfere in both domestic politics as well as international balances. It is obvious that those who manipulate him already have someone worse than him ready, with whom they will replace him as soon as the opportunity arises.

And yet, in the midst of this bleak picture, this apparently unstoppable advance of the “Invisible Enemy,” an element of hope emerges. The adversary does not know how to love, and it does not understand that it is not enough to assure a universal income or to cancel mortgages in order to subjugate the masses and convince them to be branded like cattle. This people, which for too long has endured the abuses of a hateful and tyrannical power, is rediscovering that it has a soul; it is understanding that it is not willing to exchange its freedom for the homogenization and cancellation of its identity; it is beginning to understand the value of familial and social ties, of the bonds of faith and culture that unite honest people. This Great Reset is destined to fail because those who planned it do not understand that there are still people ready to take to the streets to defend their rights, to protect their loved ones, to give a future to their children and grandchildren. The leveling inhumanity of the globalist project will shatter miserably in the face of the firm and courageous opposition of the children of Light. The enemy has Satan on its side, He who only knows how to hate. But on our side, we have the Lord Almighty, the God of armies arrayed for battle, and the Most Holy Virgin, who will crush the head of the ancient Serpent. “If God is for us, who can be against us?” (Rom 8:31).

Mr. President, you are well aware that, in this crucial hour, the United States of America is considered the defending wall against which the war declared by the advocates of globalism has been unleashed. Place your trust in the Lord, strengthened by the words of the Apostle Paul: “I can do all things in Him who strengthens me” (Phil 4:13). To be an instrument of Divine Providence is a great responsibility, for which you will certainly receive all the graces of state that you need, since they are being fervently implored for you by the many people who support you with their prayers.

With this heavenly hope and the assurance of my prayer for you, for the First Lady, and for your collaborators, with all my heart I send you my blessing.

God bless the United States of America!

+ Carlo Maria Viganò
Tit. Archbishop of Ulpiana
Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America

https://johnwaters.substack.com/p/the-economy-of-permanent-emergency-5af?source=patrick.net

The role of ‘vaccination’ is primarily about the initial step of ‘vaccine passports’ on the road to full biometric ID systems to operate the digital currency that will replace the now all but redundant array of existing currencies and reduce whole populations to a form of neo-feudal mendicancy. Out of these initiatives others are planned to flow: some form of the Klaus Schwab-sponsored ‘Great Reset’; the transhumanist agenda, morphing into posthmanism; and, more immediately and prosaically, Universal Basic Income and digital wallets; conditional use of money, subject to social credit system controls and, in effect, a centralised ‘tap’ that can be shut off the instant someone crosses an unapproved line. By the elites’ plan, says Vighi, we are headed for a neo-feudal, top-down society, with tight monetary control translating into even tighter social and political control. Ultimately, totalitarianism becomes the ‘rational’ solution, drawing the whole package together, and will be especially ‘essential’ for the moment when the people realise what in fact has been happening.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-policies-serve-big-pharma-not-people/?source=patrick.net

https://www.ntd.com/china-is-undermining-the-us-through-elite-capture-author_734021.html?source=patrick.net

The United States is currently traveling down a losing path in its battle against China because the communist regime has co-opted many American elites in Washington, Wall Street, corporate America, and the U.S. tech sector, warned author Peter Schweizer.

Shucks ! ! ! ! ! !

People didn't fall for the Russian aggression in the Ukraine after the Ukranian PM said to chill out its simply the Western media scaring regular people.

So would you believe it's China that's the problem?

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/31/1077174231/fbi-director-says-the-threat-from-china-is-more-brazen-than-ever-before?source=patrick.net

The FBI wants you to think so.

I dunno...I think people are looking at the folks in DC as the real problem makers.

The primary strategy must be to seize and toughen up the GOP, and defenstrate the RINOs.

Nothing can happen unless that happens first, ground floor up.

Misc says

I dunno...I think people are looking at the folks in DC as the real problem makers.

Good. Then they've gotten it right. I'm satisfied with that.

Our enemies are not foreign, they are domestic, and have been for decades. That is who threatens our wealth, our livelihoods, our rights, and our freedoms.

https://dossier.substack.com/p/shadowy-far-left-groups-are-behind?source=patrick.net

Shadowy far-left groups are behind the effort to silence Joe Rogan
Evidence emerges that the Rockefeller Foundation and Media Matters are pulling the strings.

Jordan Schachtel

Cancel culture has come for Joe Rogan, and The Dossier continues to uncover proof of powerful institutional support for the campaign to silence the enormously popular podcaster.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/04/we-are-all-ensnared-in-the-elites-web/?source=patrick.net

Yes, there is a conspiracy. It is a conspiracy of the elite against the rest of us. It has been in operation for years. You can learn much about it from Kees Van Der Pijl’s just published book by Clarity Press, States of Emergency.

The elites are a mere handful, but they control all the power. They control the print, TV, and social media, universities, think tanks, governments, finance, large scale production, bar associations, health care, most celebrities, and have their own organizations that comprise interlocking directorates such as Bilderberg, Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, the G30 group of former central bank presidents, World Economic Forum, the World Bank, the IMF. The same people comprise corporate boards and the top executive ranks of large corporations.

The gathering of power went through many steps. For example, during the Clinton regime in the US the diverse and independent media was concentrated in 6 hands. Six mega-companies were permitted to buy up 90% of the US media. The concentration of the media went against all American tradition. Regulation of industries was abandoned on the basis of Alan Greenspan’s edict that “markets are self-regulating,” and regulatory agencies became marketing agents for formerly regulated industries such as pharmaceuticals. The Sherman Anti-trust Act became a dead letter law on the basis of the assertion that in the global economy only the very large could compete. Thus, monopoly control replaced the market economy.

Van Der Pijl explains how the various elite networks–transnational, financial, governmental, etc.–work toward a common agenda. Meanwhile, the elite use their control over ideas, communication, and entertainment to keep us peons fighting among ourselves: Republicans vs. Democrats, Liberals vs. Conservatives, racism, women’s rights, transgender rights, abortion rights, and distracted with Russian Threat, Chinese Threat, Terrorist Threat. The real threat goes undisclosed and unremarked.

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-feb-13-2022?source=patrick.net

How is it possible that a parody of the left becomes the actual script of the left? And I think there are two answers. There actually is no left, there are people following a heavily-promoted script. And the left script is actually written by large corporations.

Whatever the noble intentions, today every left issue has become co-opted and captured — the climate narrative is written by billionaires, the trans narrative is written by Pharma, the race narrative is written by Nike and others, women are completely erased (not sure who’s driving that), and of course the vaccine narrative is written by Pharma.

It all passes through a network of dark money with ambiguous names that can keep donors anonymous and fund everything from non-profits to big media buys to candidates in elections.

1960s idealism was co-opted and turned into a Trojan Horse for a corporate takeover of society. I, of course, like many of these ideals and think it’s tragic to see them used for these ends. And now it has just become self parody. ...

Covid is now a multi-trillion dollar a year industry. White coats, testing companies, every mainstream reporter sucking on Pharma’s teats, mediocre academics studying the made up field of misinformation studies rolling around in cash like Scrooge McDuck. None of these people ever want Covid to go away. Covid is the best thing that ever happened to them. Pharma fascism is paradise because they are the new ruling class.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/politics/democrats-dark-money-donors.html?source=patrick.net

Democrats Decried Dark Money. Then They Won With It in 2020.
A New York Times analysis reveals how the left outdid the right at raising and spending millions from undisclosed donors to defeat Donald Trump and win power in Washington.

Jan. 29, 2022
For much of the last decade, Democrats complained — with a mix of indignation, frustration and envy — that Republicans and their allies were spending hundreds of millions of difficult-to-trace dollars to influence politics.

“Dark money” became a dirty word, as the left warned of the threat of corruption posed by corporations and billionaires that were spending unlimited sums through loosely regulated nonprofits, which did not disclose their donors’ identities.

Then came the 2020 election.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/the-great-reset-capitalism-with-chinese?r=6gdz&source=patrick.net

Sadly?

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-february-20-2022?source=patrick.net

Head of the World Economic Forum Klaus Schwab at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government in 2017:

“What we are very proud of, is that we penetrate the global cabinets of countries with our WEF Young Global Leaders… like Trudeau”

Patrick says

Shadowy far-left groups are behind the effort to silence Joe Rogan

I hate this term "far left".

These people aren't leftists, they are authoritarians. Our government is trying to silence Joe Rogan. This is an astro-turf campaign.

If the vaccines save lives, I guarantee the people that believe that don't give a fuck if people don't take them. "Fuck the conspiracy-theorists" is what they would think.

These people, I think, are just a bunch people doing PR. Do you really think Neil Young feels so fucking strong about this, that he publicly spoke about it? He was ASKED to this, and was probably paid.

Nobody seriously gives a shit about this. Calls for censorship originate almost entirely from our government.

richwicks says

I hate this term "far left".

These people aren't leftists, they are authoritarians.

Leftists are Communists, Nazis, Democratic Socialists and so on. Please tell us about any leftist that is not authoritarian.

HeadSet says

Leftists are Communists, Nazis, Democratic Socialists and so on. Please tell us about any leftist that is not authoritarian.

George Washington wasn't.

Depends on how you define "left". Today, the terms "left" and "right" are meaningless. A leftist in 1960 is entirely different from a leftist in 2020. They share almost no commonality at all.

richwicks says

Patrick says

Shadowy far-left groups are behind the effort to silence Joe Rogan

I hate this term "far left".

These people aren't leftists, they are authoritarians. Our government is trying to silence Joe Rogan. This is an astro-turf campaign.

If the vaccines save lives, I guarantee the people that believe that don't give a fuck if people don't take them. "Fuck the conspiracy-theorists" is what they would think.

These people, I think, are just a bunch people doing PR. Do you really think Neil Young feels so fucking strong about this, that he publicly spoke about it? He was ASKED to this, and was probably paid.

Nobody seriously gives a shit about this. Calls for censorship originate almost entirely from our government.

Name one far-left regime/group that wasn't authoritarian end ultimately evil to the core. There aren't any, the closest you can come to is maybe the hippie movement, but they weren't really much political at all. On the right spectrum you have all sorts, from authoritarian to extremely libertarian regimes/groups. Sure the terms have been muddied and may not be that exact anymore, but it's simply innate to the leftist idea to heavily engage in groupthink and thus rather sooner than later morph into a dictatorship.

mell says

Name one far-left regime/group that wasn't authoritarian end ultimately evil to the core.

Define what is "left" and "right"?

The concept didn't exist in 1776, but at ONE TIME, the people that withdrew from the British would have been considered "far left". Abraham Lincoln and the Republican party would have been considered "far left" - because they advocated for change.

The current far left movement wants government control of everything- the economy, production, media, personal liberties (the lack of) so it is ultimately an authoritarian philosophy by definition.

richwicks says

mell says

Name one far-left regime/group that wasn't authoritarian end ultimately evil to the core.

Define what is "left" and "right"?

The concept didn't exist in 1776, but at ONE TIME, the people that withdrew from the British would have been considered "far left". Abraham Lincoln and the Republican party would have been considered "far left" - because they advocated for change.

Being conservative doesn't necessary mean not advocating for change, because often in order to keep a status quo one deems favorable, you have to make changes to meet the challenges and forces which try to get rid of it. Pretty much any mass murdering regime in history I consider left. The right has been to coerce groupthink via certain tools as well, such as fake patriotism ("if you're not with us you're with the enemy) or religion, but they have never been very successful at it as what is considered the right is splintered into way too many groups, of which many celebrate individualism and extremely small tribalism/municipal communities, there are so many religious denominations and fake patriotism has now been completely captured by the left. I agree it hasn't always been that way, but at least since our lifetimes.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/21/watch-canadian-mp-silenced-branded-disinformation-after-questioning-wef-influence/?source=patrick.net

https://t.me/greatreject/30959?source=patrick.net

Schwab: "Our teams are embedded in governments around the world."

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/wef-and-their-young-global-leaders-program?source=patrick.net

Dec 8, 2021
WEF and their 'Young Global Leaders' program, who's on the list?
The WEF's tentacles reach far and wide, positioning their grip on many industries, media and governments through their Young Global Leaders program.

I think all the real puppeteers are still behind the curtain. Gates, Fauci and the like are bad actors only in the plain sense of the phrase. Just not convincing as either visionaries or evil geniuses.

Let’s face it, to control what’s going on here must take some serious intelligence, not just competence in spouting technical or medical jargon. It should be obvious that our nominal President isn’t really making any real decisions or even setting policy. All the other so-called leaders on politics and business strike me also simply as front men, figureheads.

Who is really pulling the strings? I just get the feeling that they must be really hiding because what the apparent leaders are doing does not make sense. I just don’t see how they personally benefit from what they’re doing to the world at large. If they genuinely think they’re helping the people of the world with these life-crushing measures then again, they’re too stupid to be the real leaders.

True it does seem some of the lower level bureaucrats and “health officers” seem to get a thrill out of pushing others around, but I submit that that motivation alone will never get you to the top, and that kind of personality in any case always defers to someone up higher who is making the rules they just have no choice but to enforce. I don’t think that kind of personality is capable of being a real leader or planner.

https://bherr.substack.com/p/this-is-only-a-beta-test?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

The concept didn't exist in 1776, but at ONE TIME, the people that withdrew from the British would have been considered "far left". Abraham Lincoln and the Republican party would have been considered "far left" - because they advocated for change.

"Advocating for change" has NOTHING to do with the spectrum of left and right. It seems you are thinking of the literal meaning of "conservative" defined as leaving things as they are, so you consider anyone who wants change as "left." If I am a right-wing small government citizen living under an all controlling government, I will advocate for change. Likewise, a left-wing big government guy would advocate for change when living under a weak government. And an atheist would advocate for change when living under a theocracy. Advocating for change does not make them "left-wing." What makes one "left wing" is a belief in strong government while a "right-wing" is one who prefers minimum government. "Far left" would be an authoritarian Communist who believes government should own all property and control all aspects of life. "Far right" would be an Anarchist who wants no government at all, not even to tell him what side of the road to drive on.

Here is my way of looking at it:

Government limiting and controlling citizens is "Left"
Citizens limiting and controlling government is "Right."

Right wing types want to be left alone. Left wing types want to use government police power to impose their will on fellow citizens.

mell says

Being conservative doesn't necessary mean not advocating for change, because often in order to keep a status quo one deems favorable, you have to make changes to meet the challenges and forces which try to get rid of it.

Do you think the old European feudal system was left or right? Basically the RCC was the head of state, it was basically the diminished Roman Empire with the Vatican at the head.

The United States wouldn't have been settled if that system didn't suck. The Inquisition chiefly targeted Jewish people. It probably wiped out the Druids and other pagan societies and religion, either by forcible conversion or just murder.

I would argue the feudal system was an example of fascism and I wouldn't call the Nazi regime "left" NOR would I call it "right". Hitler simply said it was a 3rd way. I think the line from left and right is kind of silly. Even the simple map of up and down (authoritarian versus individual freedom) is far too simplified. I think it's an N dimensional graph.

mell says

The right has been to coerce groupthink via certain tools as well, such as fake patriotism ("if you're not with us you're with the enemy) or religion, but they have never been very successful at it

The feudal system kept Europe in a dark age of development for over a century and it was the Church that did it.

HeadSet says

"Advocating for change" has NOTHING to do with the spectrum of left and right. It seems you are thinking of the literal meaning of "conservative" defined as leaving things as they are, so you consider anyone who wants change as "left." If I am a right-wing small government citizen living under an all controlling government, I will advocate for change. Likewise, a left-wing big government guy would advocate for change when living under a weak government.

This is my objection to the concept of "left" and "right". It means different things to different people.

I can reasonable call myself a liberal - but a PALEO liberal now since the definition is constantly changing. A liberal at one point was almost a libertarian. I can reasonably be considered a conservative today, just because the democratic party (which is considered left today) is basically nuts.

Patrick says

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/wef-and-their-young-global-leaders-program?source=patrick.net

Dec 8, 2021
WEF and their 'Young Global Leaders' program, who's on the list?
The WEF's tentacles reach far and wide, positioning their grip on many industries, media and governments through their Young Global Leaders program.

CHY-na.

I don't think there's too much mystery about who. Soros, Schwab, and many, many thousands of Corp-Gov revolving door Admins/Execs.

The culture of "Managers, not Leaders" has produced an elite. Great Wealth and a here-to-fore sleepy public has given them an Attitude Problem, and they invite the next 10% to join them.

richwicks says

I can reasonable call myself a liberal - but a PALEO liberal now since the definition is constantly changing.

"Liberal" is one that believes in liberty, it is in the name. Lefties are not Liberals, and Lefties calling themselves Liberals is akin to a castrated and mutilated man calling himself a woman. "Liberal" just sounds better than "Autocratic Authoritarian."


richwicks says

This is my objection to the concept of "left" and "right". It means different things to different people.

The definition has not really changed. People want to obfuscate the real meanings in order to disguise what their philosophies actually entail. For example, lefties calling Nazis "right-wing" to hide the reality of just how close Communism and Naziism really are.