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Onvacation says

Bd6r says

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Distraction from Ottawa Square.

Agreed

Onvacation says

Distraction from Ottawa Square.

Possible. But then why Pu is playing into their hands?

The war is actually in Canada, at the moment.

Can they make ICBMs? Sure thing. They did in the past and they continue making Zenith and Antares space rockets now. Can they make nukes? It's not exactly rocket science and they do have many nuclear reactors.

Bye-bye nuclear non-proliferation BS?

FuckCCP89 says

they make ICBMs? Sure thing. They did in the past and they continue making Zenith and Antares space rockets now. Can they make nukes? It's not exactly rocket science and they do have many nuclear reactors.

Bye-bye nuclear non-proliferation BS?

Yes to all that but i am not sure they have sufficiently large cajones. They could have stopped russian gas export to europe in 2014 which would make russia go broke and europe would start caring but they chose not to

Bd6r says

They could have stopped russian gas export to europe

Why would one want to stop commerce? We've been importing oil from the middle east for decades and buying crap from China forever. Keeping Russia away from doing business with Europe by any means is a failed strategy. It would be better for European countries to be energy independent - fuck going "green" - but nobody dictates the US whom to do business with. As useful as NATO once was, the world today would be better without it. Trump was right about that.

Heard Fox or some propaganda network is circulating some shoddy footage of a reporter pretending to run from some war zone. I will say that in general, the amount of absurd, lying, bullshit in the past two years has been off the charts, to the point where they want us to believe up is down, left is right, and good is evil.

As to the pole I'd like to suggest we're asking about the wrong country. I think the more accurate question is "Will the United States invade Russia?". Right now I'd say most likely no.

mell says

As useful as NATO once was, the world today would be better without it. Trump was right about that.

Esp. when you know it's the US that would send 90% of the troops and carry 99% of the expense, despite Europe having multiple G-7 members and being as if not more populous and wealthy (the EU as a whole) as we are.

"Oh, but Germany's sending a company of medics and a section of GSG Special Forces". Germany is what, the 3rd Richest Country in the fucking world with almost 100M people, and that's it?!

NuttBoxer says

Heard Fox or some propaganda network is circulating some shoddy footage of a reporter pretending to run from some war zone. I will say that in general, the amount of absurd, lying, bullshit in the past two years has been off the charts, to the point where they want us to believe up is down, left is right, and good is evil.

As to the pole I'd like to suggest we're asking about the wrong country. I think the more accurate question is "Will the United States invade Russia?". Right now I'd say most likely no.

One side lying does not exclude the other doing the same

Bd6r says

One side lying does not exclude the other doing the same

For sure. Putin is ex-KGB, and a total dictator. I don't think anyone here would deny that. But when Ukraine and Russia media, government, and citizens are all reporting one thing, and US is the only one reporting something different, it's pretty fucking clear who the liars are.

And just to be clear, even if Russia was attacking the Ukraine, and every other Eastern European country, I still wouldn't support US imperialistic war-mongering. And that seems to be the popular sentiment of a majority of this country. Our days of playing world police are done.

No Russia won't invade Ukraine, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if our press claimed they had.

1994 Budapest Memorandum (where Ukraine gave up nukes in exchange for security guarantees from the West and Russia) being declared void by Ukraine unless Ukraine gets more security guarantees now? New take - Russia had to invade Ukraine to prevent nuclear proliferation.

NuttBoxer says

Our days of playing world police are done.

Sadly, no one will ask me or you about it

No....but the media will say they did

NuttBoxer says

I think the more accurate question is "Will the United States invade Russia?"

Not a chance in hell.

Russia will not invade Ukraine but all media channels will propagandize it to high sky. This is a tactical/political game. Ignore it completely.

gabbar says

This is a tactical/political game. Ignore it completely.

Are you saying that even if Russia invades the Ukraine, that we won't lose our "freedoms"? Whew, that's a relief.

Bd6r says

Our days of playing world police are done.

Our days of trying to be world police are done. but we can still play it with the media support.

I don't think we have always been 'World Police', which contains an aura of nobility. We were considered the US Corporation armed branch of the City of London and the Vatican, to engage in corporate dominance of the world, its resources and finances. National Security Council, Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Gestapo CIA, Swiss Octagon etc. etc. acting in international corporate interests and the 'business of war'.

Ukraine crap is Biden and his world criminal associates protecting their criminal enterprises there.

I'm pretty confident that the whole Russia/Ukraine thing is pedo Biden trying to distract from his utter failure as president.

It is just history repeating itself. It's the M-O of Eastern Europe.

"Invasion and Partition of Poland
On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. To justify the action, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland. They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany. The SS, in collusion with the German military, staged a phony attack on a German radio station. The Germans falsely accused the Poles of this attack. Hitler then used the action to launch a “retaliatory” campaign against Poland."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/invasion-of-poland-fall-1939?source=patrick.net

The ethnic Germans were definitely driven out of Poland after the war, and I can't say I blame the Poles for doing that after what they had been through.

Patrick says

The ethnic Germans were definitely driven out of Poland after the war, and I can't say I blame the Poles for doing that after what they had been through.

Not just driven out of Poland but driven out of the large part of pre-war Germany that that Poland annexed.

Patrick says

I'm pretty confident that the whole Russia/Ukraine thing is pedo Biden trying to distract from his utter failure as president.

yes, it’s a desperate measure to get out of fake, dangerous and corrupt jabs and out of control (transitory! -wrong) inflation along with no boarder policy in force.

Don’t care much. Our own government oppressing is makes me mad. They just want a distraction from mandates lockdowns and all faggot shit they push onto kids.

Putler signed an order whereby Russian troops move into Doneck and Lugansk. Seems that Bidet was right, and most others wrong.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance?source=patrick.net

PUTIN ORDERS RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES TO START 'PEACEKEEPING MISSION' IN E. UKRAINE BREAKAWAY REGIONS -- RIA

Bd6r says

Putler signed an order whereby Russian troops move into Doneck and Lugansk. Seems that Bidet was right, and most others wrong.

Western Ukraine has been bombing Eastern Ukraine for years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&source=patrick.net

IF you want to listen to it.

richwicks says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&source=patrick.net

I dont like to listen to propaganda.

It would be interesting to learn from the esteemed propagandon if Semenchenko, leader of Donbass battalion, is a West Ukrainian.

In any case, it is an internal issue for Ukrainians if they want to bomb each other. It should not be Russian, American, or anyone else issue. Just like Syrians bombing each other should not be our issue.

Bd6r says

I dont like to listen to propaganda.

Dismiss anything you like as propaganda. It doesn't matter.

Bd6r says

It would be interesting to learn from the esteemed propagandon if Semenchenko, leader of Donbass battalion, is a West Ukrainian.

It doesn't even matter really. The US doesn't care about the people of the Donbass region, you know that. This is merely fodder to set the state for another very expensive conflict.

Bd6r says

In any case, it is an internal issue for Ukrainians if they want to bomb each other. It should not be Russian, American, or anyone else issue.

It has nothing to do with the United States. I don't care what Russia does to its neighbors, it doesn't effect US security regardless of what Russia does to or in Ukraine.

Bd6r says

Just like Syrians bombing each other should not be our issue.

That was just the excuse. The US doesn't care if the Syrians kill one another. The US is there because Genie Energy inked a deal with Israel in 2013 to mine the oil resources of the Golan Heights in 2013:

https://whoprofits.org/updates/israel-grants-genie-israel-oil-and-gas-a-petroleum-exploration-license-in-the-golan-heights/?source=patrick.net

Notice that article was written in APRIL of 2013.

The (supposed) Ghouta chemical attack happened on August, 2013

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta_chemical_attack?source=patrick.net

Obama warned Assad not to use chemical weapons as far back as 2012

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/3/obama-warns-syrias-assad-not-use-chemical-weapons/?source=patrick.net

Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, Jacob Rothschild, Robert Woolsey (and others) are on the Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Energy:

https://governamerica.com/documents/genie-energy/?source=patrick.net

That's why the US bombed Syria. Nothing to do with Ghouta, even if Assad did gas his own citizens, which makes no sense to do. As if Assad would use the ONE weapon that guaranteed US involvement. The Golan Heights is Syrian land occupied by Israel.

When it comes to foreign policy, we're all mushrooms - they feed us shit and keep us in the dark.

Patrick says

The ethnic Germans were definitely driven out of Poland after the war, and I can't say I blame the Poles for doing that after what they had been through.

And Poles were ethnically cleansed in Western Ukraine during WW2, one of which is well documented where a whole village - mostly women and children - was burned to the ground by Ukrainians working for the Germans.

Some of the many atrocities of the "RZEŹ WOŁYŃSKA" - Volyhnia Slaughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6kk1JMIzkk

AmericanKulak says

Some of the many atrocities of the "RZEŹ WOŁYŃSKA" - Volyhnia Slaughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6kk1JMIzkk&source=patrick.net

Needs English subtitles.

richwicks says

Dismiss anything you like as propaganda. It doesn't matter.

They don't provide links, so I don't believe them.

Infogalactic page on the Slaughter of Poles in Volhynia/Galicia (Western Ukraine)
https://infogalactic.com/info/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia?source=patrick.net

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Dismiss anything you like as propaganda. It doesn't matter.

They don't provide links, so I don't believe them.

He IS the link.

I'm pointing out that is trivial to make a claim about a document, or what somebody said, and provide a link. That's why hyperlinking was created specifically for - for references. That was the whole point of it. When people say something like "look at this screenshot! Isn't this outrageous?" and ESPECIALLY when the "news" media does that there's no excuse for not showing it's actually true.

I was talking to a friend from college 2 months ago, and HE brought up the Mueller report, which I have, and I kind of thumbed through, but it is 300 pages. HE claimed that there was "lots of evidence" in it, and I directly challenged him - "what did it say? What page? I have it on my computer, I'll look it up". "Oh uh, it read it a LONG time ago, I don't know specifically what page it was, or what was said, but it's in there".

No, it isn't. Rachael Maddow is happy to claim there's all this shit, but she can't be bothered to point to a source. Trump was taken out of context with the "there's good people on both sides" when he specifically excluded "white supremacists" in the same sentence. Our media does this shit, people APE the media, they shouldn't.

The claims made by John Mearsheimer might be bullshit, they are HIS claims. What is very common when somebody is lying to you, is that they contradict themselves over time, sometimes immediately. It's really hard to make up a complex lie, and not have a contradiction.

That's why I went through all that Syria shit. Does it make sense that Obama, out of the blue, would warn Assad not to use chemical weapons in 2012? I know Genie Energy was exploring tapping the Leviathan oil reserves back then and really before. Does it make sense Assad would then USE the chemical weapons in 2013 shortly after Genie Energy announces their agreement with Israel to mine oil on Syrian land? Is Assad some sort of idiot? He is a medical doctor - he can't be that stupid. He's got advisors, they can't be that stupid.

Our propagandists don't even try. They don't try with Syria, they don't try with Russia or Ukraine. They claimed that Ukraine's coup was a "revolution". They claimed that the Skripal's were poisoned and the job was so fucked up that the only deaths were the Skripal's poor pets (where are the Skripals today anyhow? Dead?). They keep talking about "Russian aggression" without being specific, it's just "Russian aggression" - really what exactly is the US talking about while they are bombing 7 nations simultaneously?

I'm just fucking tired of it.

The reason a government lies isn't because they just feel like doing it, they lie they have to. Because they lie so blatantly and obviously, instead of cleaning up their propaganda, they just get rid of free speech. The reason there is censorship, is that the government doesn't want the truth to get out any more than it has. Governments lie when they are criminal, and I live under a criminal government. Russia might be a criminal government too, perhaps even worse than ours is - but I don't live under it. That's Russia's problem.

Really, I feel Russia is doing the same thing to us, what we did to the USSR. From the 1950's to the early 1990's, all the US did was tell the truth about what was going on in Russia. That played a significant part in taking down the Soviet Union and good riddance. Russia is returning that favor, and it is a favor. I'm certain they have a ton of censorship and propaganda within their nation, but for our nation? They don't have to bother to lie. And it's not like I spend any time listening to RT or Sputnik, but when I hear them, they don't even give me the information I already know. There's tons of people that have spent time putting together "what's really going on".

The US has been preparing to go after Russia for a LONG LONG time. I don't want the next generation to have to go through, at minimum, another Cold War.

AmericanKulak says

And Poles were ethnically cleansed in Western Ukraine during WW2, one of which is well documented where a whole village - mostly women and children - was burned to the ground by Ukrainians working for the Germans.

I recall reading that after war there was a massive forced population exchange between Soviet Ukraine and Poland. Half million Ukrainians were expelled from Poland and moved to Ukraine, while half million Poles were expelled from Ukraine and moved to Polish New Territories in West.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Operation_Vistula?source=patrick.net

Now though Poland has a few million very recent Ukrainian immigrants who don't cause much problems.

Bd6r says

I recall reading that after war there was a massive forced population exchange between Soviet Ukraine and Poland. Half million Ukrainians were expelled from Poland and moved to Ukraine, while half million Poles were expelled from Ukraine and moved to Polish New Territories in West.

And the Allies moved millions of Germans from Czech Republic, Netherlands, France, etc. back into Germany at gunpoint.

No revanchism since! Ethnic cleansing works when done right.

It's Happening, explosions "in the Ukraine". multiple mainstream sources report.