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Liberal Hegemonists pump up Ukraine, encourage it to be actively anti-Russia, not to make concessions. Then abandon it to it's own devices when Russia gets pissed off.

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Neolib-cons 1990s-2022:

"Ukraine, hate Russia. Don't work or talk with Russia. You are secret Galician Lost Vikings, not lowly Slavs! We'll help you, 100%

Oh, Russia got mad and invaded? Uh, we imposed some sanctions, see you later! No, we can't stay and help. But we'll yell Evil Russia! Evil Russia!"

I learn so much, reading all of you on Patrick.net
I want to learn more about Hunter Biden and his antics...
Maybe we can get him to go back to Ukraine... and make a guest appearance.

We are not going to restore Russia to the border of the Empire of 1913. Moscow supports the sovereignty of the former republics of the Union, but Ukraine is an exception "because of external control" - V.V. Putin at a meeting with Aliyev

gabbar says

We are not going to restore Russia to the border of the Empire of 1913. Moscow supports the sovereignty of the former republics of the Union, but Ukraine is an exception "because of external control" - V.V. Putin at a meeting with Aliyev

Putler lies constantly, no reason to believe him on this
He was also not invading ukraine a week ago, was not invading crimea etc

If Ukraine survives another few days, Russians are done.
Why do I think that - Chinese are starting to hedge - their foreign ministry had press release today about territorial integrity of countries incl Ukraine, and started sanctioning Russian banks. Second, Turkey shipped craploads of arms to Ukraine via Poland.

Bd6r says

If Ukraine survives another few days, Russians are done.
Why do I think that - Chinese are starting to hedge - their foreign ministry had press release today about territorial integrity of countries incl Ukraine, and started sanctioning Russian banks. Second, Turkey shipped craploads of arms to Ukraine via Poland.

That could very well be. I found it interesting that they called for diplomacy after initially trashing the US. Xi is not stupid either, Russia is a much closer threat for Chyna than the US of A.

AmericanKulak says

Okay, I'll bite on this sidebar for a second:
Yep, South Syrians who never had a state of their own, nor even a province under the Byzantines or Ottomans

It doesn't matter if it was ever recognized as a state or a region. There were people there.

If a bunch of, I dunno, Mongolians decided to settle in Nichols Minnesota, after the United States collapsed, and the world declared it as a new country, would you then be defending this? Nichols was never a state...

This is just semantics, and it's a stupid argument, and I'm TIRED of arguing about Israel. Israel will take over the entire West Bank in time, probably will retake Gaza, and will be claiming they want "peace" and are working toward a "two state solution" the entire time. They're lying.

Dragging the conversation into "is this moral or not" is a complete waste of time. Morality has nothing to do with it. Might makes right. I'm telling you what is being done and was is inevitably going to happen. Right or wrong is written by propagandists for the "history books".

Bd6r says

gabbar says

We are not going to restore Russia to the border of the Empire of 1913. Moscow supports the sovereignty of the former republics of the Union, but Ukraine is an exception "because of external control" - V.V. Putin at a meeting with Aliyev

Putler lies constantly, no reason to believe him on this
He was also not invading ukraine a week ago, was not invading crimea etc

Not really, or better not always. He never lied about being serious to get guarantees that the ex soviet border nations should stay neutral and not join nato, otherwise he'd take action. This is what the 3rd time? They should have negotiated that long ago. What he's doing now is despicable, but not surprising. I just hope most Ukranians stay safe

You mean Zelensky's letting the Clinton Foundation off the hook?

Although the media is pumping the narrative of Russia invading the Ukraine, it seems to me that the fight is between the Ukrainian Russian Separists (supported by Russia) and the Ukrainian nationals (supported by NATO). Its appears to be a PROXY "dust-up" between Russia and Nato that just happens to be on Ukraine soil.

BOOM.
https://patrick.net/post/1343816/2022-02-26-soros-backs-ukraine

komputodo says

Although the media is pumping the narrative of Russia invading the Ukraine, it seems to me that the fight is between the Ukrainian Russian Separists (supported by Russia) and the Ukrainian nationals (supported by NATO). Its appears to be a PROXY "dust-up" between Russia and Nato that just happens to be on Ukraine soil.

There are plenty of dead Dagestanis and Chechens who are not inhabitants of Ukraine

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komputodo says

Although the media is pumping the narrative of Russia invading the Ukraine, it seems to me that the fight is between the Ukrainian Russian Separists (supported by Russia) and the Ukrainian nationals (supported by NATO). Its appears to be a PROXY "dust-up" between Russia and Nato that just happens to be on Ukraine soil.

I figured as much. Weapon sales are profitable, foreign nations explode…

Bd6r says

There are plenty of dead Dagestanis and Chechens who are not inhabitants of Ukraine

Why were they there? Did they live there? Don't they call that "collateral damage" nowadays? We used to call it "being in the wrong place at the wrong time". I'm sure they will be in your thought and prayers because when you get right down to it...even with all the shit going on in your country, what could be more important than a fight in the Ukraine.

komputodo says

Why were they there?

Conscripts from Russian Caucasus republics and Kadyrov's (prorussian Chechen leader) guard. Again, info not from Western media. So the civil war is quite imaginary but invasion is real.

Bd6r says

So the civil war is quite imaginary but invasion is real.

To what end? What does russia gain from invading?

komputodo says

what end? What does russia gain from invading?

I think nothing, but then again I am not Putler. He has probably botoxed out his brains.

However, presence of Russian troops in Ukraine does seem to verify invasion. And I did not see that on CNN

Bd6r says

komputodo says

what end? What does russia gain from invading?

I think nothing, but then again I am not Putler. He has probably botoxed out his brains.

Yeah that makes sense...I think you nailed it...BTW...Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California suggested Friday that kicking Russian students out of U.S. colleges and universities should be looked at as a possible deterrent to Russia after the country's President Vladimir Putin launched an invasion into Ukraine earlier this week.

Asked during a Thursday appearance on "CNN Newsroom" about potential sanctions the U.S. should use against Russia, Swalwell proposed penalizing Russian students attending college in the U.S.
That seems justified...lol

Bd6r says

However, presence of Russian troops in Ukraine does seem to verify invasion.

Would NATO troops in the Ukraine also verify invasion by Nato?

HunterTits says

Uhh...seriously?

Uhh.yes.seriously...please educate me

To put in a Russian Friendly government that won't join NATO and maybe sign a non-Aggression Pact, which of course peace-loving Globalists will call (with some justice) made under duress.

If they do this, you should have invested in Eastern Poland, since it will be a seller's market for real estate due to new base openings.

HunterTits says

komputodo says

Uhh.yes.seriously...please educate me

But are YOU serious?

What I mean is that this can't be taught on a PatNet post. You are going to have to invest time and effort. Worth it, tho.

This guy totally predicted this, so I would recommend reading his book

Predicted what? That Russia would eventually attack Ukraine to prevent it from joining NATO?

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.

You don't need to be a genius to see that.

HunterTits says

No.

That is also not why Russia invaded. Germany would never have agreed to let Ukraine join NATO anyway.

That's the only ultimatum that Putin has been making for YEARS now.

Had Ukraine and NATO simply stated that there were no plans to bring Ukraine into NATO, there would have been no war - at least according to Russia. If NATO and Ukraine had just made this statement, Russia wouldn't have had an excuse to go to war, if that was just cover to begin the war.

HunterTits says

That you believe otherwise is just indicative that you don't know what is going on. Sorry to be an asshole, but it is true.

You could just state what you think is going on, but you won't.

Oh, but it has to be a MYSTERY, you couldn't possibly fit it into a sentence, why I'd have to read volumes of books to have it explained.

Yeah, that's typical bullshit. The truth isn't complicated but lies get very fucking convoluted. I'm not particularly informed about Russia, but I am with US foreign policy and how often they lie and how they always love to make war and mayhem. I'm VERY familiar with that. Quite often the US will draw a "red line" and then do everything they can do to make certain that line is crossed, up to an including false flags like they did in Syria, or just lying about it like they did with the last Iraq War.

I don't know how trustworthy Russia is, but I know PRECISELY how trustworthy the US intelligence agencies are and that's our foreign policy.

komputodo says

Would NATO troops in the Ukraine also verify invasion by Nato?

Yes. Unless they are invited by UA govt

Russians start talking to Ukranians in Belorus. Which means that invasion is falling apart, contrary to predictions also here

If we dont get a thermonuclear war by cornered Putin, result will be a few centuries of enhanced hate of russ by ukr and birth of a genuine ukranian nation - before they were not nationalists other than in West Ukraine

This morning I talked with a Russian friend of mine who lives in a former USSR country. She has a lot of relatives in Ukraine and Russia, is fairly rich, and has a lot of connections in Russia. I will think over what she said and will write a summary in evening. It is more depressing than what any of us here can imagine.

richwicks says

Russia wouldn't have had an excuse to go to war, if that was just cover to begin the war.

They would have gone to war anyway. They don't need a real reason.