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Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Clean up your list, and try again.

There is no point. If you are hell-bent on disputing information reported to and accepted by Russians

Dude, two of those bases aren't closed.

I can believe some bases were closed back in the 1990's, and I remember the whining and moaning about that after the USSR dissolved.

But Bush Jr. reversed that. A fake war on terror was created, and the US made policy of poking the bear, because the Cold War was EXTREMELY lucrative for the offense corporations.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Do we have a glowie on board? Having to deal with Hasbera I'm pretty adept at recognizing them.

No, all we have is Nazi Ukies hiding under your bed gassing Joos and making lampshades from their skin. RIP, richwicks' brain, you died a miserable death turning into a mush.

There's no room. There's the Red Communist Russians under my bed..

I'm fully aware that I cannot know what is going on in real time, and that my government will lie to my FACE. It's only going to be months later after the propaganda is no longer worthwhile to maintain we'll know what happened.

I find it extremely unlikely that this is the opening stage for WWIII. That would just be a nuclear exchange. Despite what this propagandist stated, several years ago:


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Just fucking hilarious. This is the shit propaganda our government pays for us, and idiots take seriously. We just went through "it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated" and "it's going to be a winter of death". I cannot take my government's claims seriously, and it's just not worth my time to sort through the bullshit.

At this point, it only matters what agreements are made between the Ukrainian government and the Russian government. It's going to be months, if not years, before we find out what happened. I fully expect to see fully bombed out cities and apartment complexes, but I also expect them to be pictures from Pripyat and, I dunno, Syria. They don't care about being even believable at this point.

News from Russian side of conflict, by Chechens:

https://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2022/03/01/120533/razgrom-kadyrovskoj-bandy-v-ukraine--unizhenie-i-ogromnye-poteri.shtml?source=patrick.net

The Kadyrov gang, which the Kremlin nurtured for 20 years, and on which Putin made a big bet, was humiliated and defeated.

The brand “Chechen warriors”, which appeared due to the unparalleled courage of the Chechen Mujahideen, who gained respect and fame all over the world, all these 20 years have been trying to appropriate Kadyrov’s puppets, parasitizing on the unprecedented history of the struggle of the Chechen people for their freedom.

However, the only achievement of the Moscow puppets over these 20 years was the "victories" over the ordinary residents of Chechnya terrorized by the 240,000 army of infidels.

Kidnappings, torture, violence, bullying, demonstrative acts of humiliation and insults - this is the list of "successes" of the Kadyrov gang in Chechnya.

Fattened as pigs, inflated with anabolic injections, they participated in criminal enterprises and thefts all over Russia.

Shows in the squares and stadiums in Chechnya of brutal-looking characters in fashionable military uniforms, armed with all kinds of weapons, which Kadyrov constantly demonstrated the world, were designed to reinforce the image of Putin's formidable underdog, ready to rush at anyone in order to tear him to pieces in the name of his Kremlin master .

But Ukraine war broke out. There it suddenly became clear that the war and stealing of someone else's property are completely different things. That experience in torturing kidnapped women and teenagers in Kadyrov's cellars does not help in any way from the precision strikes of the Ukrainian army, the ubiquitous "Bayraktars" and the deadly "Javelins".

The Kadyrovites suddenly realized that this war is not a performance with the storming of a house in which the corpses of young guys tortured by them for the “result” lie. A clash with a real army and an attack by an armed pack on a young man turned out to be not exactly the same.

The experience of torture and kidnapping of unarmed people in Chechnya did not help in any way in the battle with a real army.

Realizing all this, the Kadyrovites suddenly saw the light and began to massively post messages about their deplorable situation in Ukraine in the hope that at least those few who were still alive would be pulled out of the Ukrainian hell. (AUDIO 1, AUDIO 2)

And the losses among the Kadyrov gang are really huge. We are talking about hundreds of dead and wounded. According to the relatives and friends of the murdered apostates, their corpses are kept in the morgues of Belarus and are not given out, because. mass funerals in little Chechnya can cause an unpredictable reaction. (https://twitter.com/newkc14/status/1498256015346839552)

Puppet cops go to the houses of relatives of the murdered Kadyrovites and take a non-disclosure agreement. Meanwhile, Kadyrov, unashamedly grunting at the camera, talks about bad Ukrainians, treacherous NATO members, the great strategist Putin and his foot soldiers “doing their duty” in Ukraine.

The topic of Kadyrov's big losses today is number one in Chechnya. Almost everyone pays attention to the fact that apostates did not expect such a turn in their lives. Just yesterday, they posed in front of the cameras, threateningly shouting “Akhmat strength”, and today their cold corpses, torn apart by the blows of “Javelins” and “Bayraktars”, are waiting in Belarusian morgues to be sent back in zinc coffins.

Allah humiliated these evil men, forcing them to die for Putin's toilet bowls and Kadyrov's menagerie. Only the blind can fail to see and acknowledge this obvious fact.

Puffed up with their impunity and permissiveness, they fell into the trap of their own arrogance and wickedness, which they planted in Chechnya for a long time, becoming the executioners of their own people, selling their religion, honor, homeland and freedom for a bowl of stew.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

All of the above, who collectively reduced US troops in Europe ftom 500K to less than 1/10 of that?

Name a base that was closed. Name one, if it's been reduced to 10%.
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Changing topic much?

No. I don't believe the claim, and I'm posting a reason I don't believe the claim.

Western news media was infiltrated by Operation Mockingbird 45 years ago. That was revealed in the Church Committee. Any claim made by our government or it's propaganda arm, the "free press" should be questioned.

We are ALL victims of propaganda to varying degrees. The difference betwee...

So, basically, it all comes down to you declaring "if I don't like certain information it means that it's false and that's that, BECAUSE MOCKINGBIRD"?

I have a government that perniciously, and consistently lies to the public and is an obvious criminal syndicate. I do not trust it. This distrust is entirely earned.

Eric Holder says

Do you realize how childish it all looks when we are talking about HALF A FUCKING MILLION ARMY allegedly hidden in plain sight from everybody, including Russian spies, sattellites, etc?

Childishness is still believing somebody that has lied to you for your entire life.

I really don't care about the Ukrainian war that is going on. I'm rather surprised that Putin went into the entire country and didn't limit himself to just the Dunbass - but it's not problem is it? It WILL be my problem if the traitors that run this nation drag this nation into WWIII.

Heard over radio Armstrong and geddy, Russian army is not fighting as expected since they feel like fighting with relatives or friends. Putin changed strategy to launch missiles from far.

I'm interested in hearing exactly what is being censored.

Two sources:

https://sputniknews.com/?source=patrick.net

https://www.rt.com/?source=patrick.net

I'm not saying they're right, or good, or anything else like that. Only that we should hear all sides.

Blue says

Heard over radio Armstrong and geddy, Russian army is not fighting as expected since they feel like fighting with relatives or friends. Putin changed strategy to launch missiles from far.

"Launching missiles from afar at relatives or friends" sounds so much better than "fighting relatives or friends face-to-face", lol. Very Christian of him.

SO, WILL IT OR WILL IT NOT?!!!!

Eric Holder says

SO, WILL IT OR WILL IT NOT?!!!!

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

Patrick says

https://www.rt.com/

Gave me an error, but it works if you go into Tor mode on the Brave web-browser. Apparently my ISP or somebody further upstream is blocking it.

RWSGFY says

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

We'll find out in a few years. My money is on Obama Hold Overs leaking out documents deliberately into Putie's hands threatening NATO membership.

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

We'll find out in a few years. My money is on Obama Hold Overs leaking out documents deliberately into Putie's hands threatening NATO membership.

Again, I find it hard to believe that such a seasoned FSB guy didn't have the means to verify that "deza" and was so easily duped.

Patrick says

I'm not saying they're right, or good, or anything else like that. Only that we should hear all sides.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/oryxspioenkop?source=patrick.net

Listened to two Russians speaking about war. One is Babchenko, who served for years (4 or 5) in First and Second Chechen wars in Russian army, and was a Russian war correspondent in 2008 Georgia war. So, a person familiar with Russian army. He is extremely pro-Ukrainian at this point. Second is Igor Girkin, who is probably a GRU colonel and was the person who started Donbass war in 2014. They have diametrically opposite political persuasions but their estimate of what happens on ground and what this will end with are somewhat similar. Neither of them is a soyboy/Western armchair specialist of the crush Ukraine in 2 days with 1 parachute regiment type.

I'll think about this some more and then make a post about their conclusions.

https://summit.news/2022/03/03/international-cat-federation-bans-russian-cats-from-all-competitions?source=patrick.net

International Cat Federation Bans Russian Cats From All Competitions

So, has the question been answered yet? The suspense is killing me!

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

We'll find out in a few years. My money is on Obama Hold Overs leaking out documents deliberately into Putie's hands threatening NATO membership.

Again, I find it hard to believe that such a seasoned FSB guy didn't have the means to verify that "deza" and was so easily duped.

Putin is a low-IQ individual. And Russia is a low-IQ country because it tolerated his dumb rule for so long. The goals he set out to achieve are extremely retarded abd the means he's trying to achieve them are equally so. There is no "clever secret plan", folks, they are just extremely stupid. Should've kept iodizing that salt!

RWSGFY says

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

We'll find out in a few years. My money is on Obama Hold Overs leaking out documents deliberately into Putie's hands threatening NATO membership.

Again, I find it hard to believe that such a seasoned FSB guy didn't have the means to verify that "deza" and was so easily duped.

Putin is a low-IQ individual. And Russia is a low-IQ country because it tolerated his dumb rule for so long. The goals he set out to achieve are extremely retarded abd the means he's trying to achieve them are equally so. There is no "clever secret plan", folks, they are just extremely stupid. Should've kept iodizing that salt!

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

RWSGFY says

So, has the question been answered yet? The suspense is killing me!

You heard this on Patnet many times - HE NEVER INVADED! AND IF HE DID, WAR WAS OVER IN 24...48...72 HOURS BECAUSE RUSSIAN ARMY IS STRONG AND PUTIN IS BARE CHESTED!!!

RC2006 says

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

We did have Trump for a while.

How cheap Chinese tires might explain Russia's 'stalled' 40-mile-long military convoy in Ukraine
https://news.yahoo.com/cheap-chinese-tires-might-explain-094313721.html?source=patrick.net

Bullcrap! And the only picture they have to support their propaganda is that same tired photo that Eric Holder posted here yesterday.

And the million dollar question today is, "How did Ukraine kill 5,000 soldiers without suffering loss themselves?"

If you are referring to the tire story, yes it seems too good to be true.

RC2006 says

Xactly. If somebody tells you that Ukie revolution of 2014 was "US ploy to kill NS2" which wasn't even a thing until 2015 or that North Stream 2 it goes through Black Sea which is to the South of Ukraine and Russia - you know the guy's stomach is full of Putler's jizz, quickly sucked from RT and such and there is zero prior knowledge or deliberation on the subject.

Tenpoundbass says

And the million dollar question today is, "How did Ukraine kill 5,000 soldiers without suffering loss themselves?"

Who said they didn't suffer any losses? Quote, please.

RC2006 says

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

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Even them are looking like fucking geniuses compared to Putler now.

My Exxon stock and value of mineral rights under farm are skyrocketing right now.
The only disadvantage of high gas prices is more Californians moving to Texas.

zzyzzx says

They said Trump will start WW3. Wtf is this shit today?

I love how the pro-Ukrops Media shifts from "Lookit this totally RedDawn'd Russian Force" to "ZOMG the advancing Russians completely flattened another city".

If the Russians are all stalled and stuck, how are they capturing and destroying entire Ukrainian cities, each one another step from the Border?

AmericanKulak says

I love how the pro-Ukrops Media shifts from "Lookit this totally RedDawn'd Russian Force" to "ZOMG the advancing Russians completely flattened another city".

If the Russians are all stalled and stuck, how are they capturing and destroying entire Ukrainian cities, each one another step from the Border?

It's probably this. JP Sears made a funny video about it. https://youtu.be/q1W5o3Xz5OI?source=patrick.net

The same Obama Hold Overs in charge of 2014 Coup, are the same ones that Banned HCQ/Invermectin, Instituted Lockdowns, Raised Bail and refused to Prosecute BLM/Antifa Rioters, Stole OUR Election, Removed all the Trump Era Restrictions on Nordstream2, Removed Trump's Insulin and Chronic Disease Med Price Controls, Made us "Re-Dependent" on Foreign Oil, and made COVID disappear when the Polls turned against them...

But some how, magically, THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT UKRAINE.

Wake up!

Babchenko link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4F9KB1fLo&source=patrick.net (sorry for craptube).

Generals are fighting previous wars and making same mistakes they did last time. For Russians, they are fighting the Chechen war and what happens now reminds first months in Checnhya. Just like there, they thought that Ukr population will greet them with flowers and Ukr State will fall apart. Did not happen, and the Russian attack is (partially) stopped. What Russians will do next, is to bomb cities like they did in Chechnya and try to occupy them. Problem for them is that this does not scale. Kharkov is 10x Grozny and has more people in it than whole Chechnya. Ukraine is much larger than Chechnya and Ukrainians have AA weapons. In Syria, Russians run out of modern rockets in 2 months. Will happen faster in Ukraine. Taking cities in face of determined resistance is really difficult, and thus most Ukr cities are not yet taken. Putin does not know how to retreat so he will keep throwing whatever he has. Even if he is thrown out of Ukraine, he will come back (like this happened in Chechnya). A "Court coup" is possible since generals and rich people dont like war.

Igor Strelkov link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqjCPelQ_w8&source=patrick.net

Interestingly, his youtube channel still exists: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqrrRkSYBTv1hhgmDyzZG_A?source=patrick.net

This is also a military man and intelligence man (Babchenko is a former one), but politics are 180 deg from those of Babchenko. He was first defense minister for Doneck Republic. I think it is worth listening to opposite sides so we can make up our minds. He also gave this interview BEFORE attack and reasonably precisely described what occurred.

Russia would have defeated Ukraine in 2014 in 2 days if they would have actually attacked as Ukr army had only a few battalions of Nazis who were willing to fight. After 2017 it could not have worked - Ukr army is trained now. Russian economy is in much worse state than in 2014, and most Russians will not support Putin (different from 2014 when they had consensus and supported him because of Crimea annexation). Now, war will result in huge crisis of Russian State system which was created during Eltsin and Putin times, and may result in either masked capitulation of Russian state or a coup. War in Ukraine is carried out incompetently. We can defeat Ukr army - but what next? How do we govern after defeating? There will be rebels in Ukraine, who will fight them? This fight will need 5 times more troops than defeating Ukrainian army. Americans like this war because it will cause rebellions in Russia. Economically Russians have not prepared correctly. They did not make a separate economic payment system, their own industry, but Putin govt is a mafioso group who cares about personal enrichment only. They care only about PR and their own money. Americans will come in if Russian military structures will start falling apart.

He talked right before attack, and said that this will not be a quick war. He also predicted attack from Belorus. Overall, Russians are not ready, and it will be a disaster because of poor planning.