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Listened to two Russians speaking about war. One is Babchenko, who served for years (4 or 5) in First and Second Chechen wars in Russian army, and was a Russian war correspondent in 2008 Georgia war. So, a person familiar with Russian army. He is extremely pro-Ukrainian at this point. Second is Igor Girkin, who is probably a GRU colonel and was the person who started Donbass war in 2014. They have diametrically opposite political persuasions but their estimate of what happens on ground and what this will end with are somewhat similar. Neither of them is a soyboy/Western armchair specialist of the crush Ukraine in 2 days with 1 parachute regiment type.

I'll think about this some more and then make a post about their conclusions.

https://summit.news/2022/03/03/international-cat-federation-bans-russian-cats-from-all-competitions?source=patrick.net

International Cat Federation Bans Russian Cats From All Competitions

So, has the question been answered yet? The suspense is killing me!

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

We'll find out in a few years. My money is on Obama Hold Overs leaking out documents deliberately into Putie's hands threatening NATO membership.

Again, I find it hard to believe that such a seasoned FSB guy didn't have the means to verify that "deza" and was so easily duped.

Putin is a low-IQ individual. And Russia is a low-IQ country because it tolerated his dumb rule for so long. The goals he set out to achieve are extremely retarded abd the means he's trying to achieve them are equally so. There is no "clever secret plan", folks, they are just extremely stupid. Should've kept iodizing that salt!

RWSGFY says

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

PUTIN SAID NO INVASION!!!

We'll find out in a few years. My money is on Obama Hold Overs leaking out documents deliberately into Putie's hands threatening NATO membership.

Again, I find it hard to believe that such a seasoned FSB guy didn't have the means to verify that "deza" and was so easily duped.

Putin is a low-IQ individual. And Russia is a low-IQ country because it tolerated his dumb rule for so long. The goals he set out to achieve are extremely retarded abd the means he's trying to achieve them are equally so. There is no "clever secret plan", folks, they are just extremely stupid. Should've kept iodizing that salt!

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

RWSGFY says

So, has the question been answered yet? The suspense is killing me!

You heard this on Patnet many times - HE NEVER INVADED! AND IF HE DID, WAR WAS OVER IN 24...48...72 HOURS BECAUSE RUSSIAN ARMY IS STRONG AND PUTIN IS BARE CHESTED!!!

RC2006 says

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

We did have Trump for a while.

How cheap Chinese tires might explain Russia's 'stalled' 40-mile-long military convoy in Ukraine
https://news.yahoo.com/cheap-chinese-tires-might-explain-094313721.html?source=patrick.net

Bullcrap! And the only picture they have to support their propaganda is that same tired photo that Eric Holder posted here yesterday.

And the million dollar question today is, "How did Ukraine kill 5,000 soldiers without suffering loss themselves?"

If you are referring to the tire story, yes it seems too good to be true.

RC2006 says

Xactly. If somebody tells you that Ukie revolution of 2014 was "US ploy to kill NS2" which wasn't even a thing until 2015 or that North Stream 2 it goes through Black Sea which is to the South of Ukraine and Russia - you know the guy's stomach is full of Putler's jizz, quickly sucked from RT and such and there is zero prior knowledge or deliberation on the subject.

Tenpoundbass says

And the million dollar question today is, "How did Ukraine kill 5,000 soldiers without suffering loss themselves?"

Who said they didn't suffer any losses? Quote, please.

RC2006 says

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

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Even them are looking like fucking geniuses compared to Putler now.

My Exxon stock and value of mineral rights under farm are skyrocketing right now.
The only disadvantage of high gas prices is more Californians moving to Texas.

zzyzzx says

They said Trump will start WW3. Wtf is this shit today?

I love how the pro-Ukrops Media shifts from "Lookit this totally RedDawn'd Russian Force" to "ZOMG the advancing Russians completely flattened another city".

If the Russians are all stalled and stuck, how are they capturing and destroying entire Ukrainian cities, each one another step from the Border?

AmericanKulak says

I love how the pro-Ukrops Media shifts from "Lookit this totally RedDawn'd Russian Force" to "ZOMG the advancing Russians completely flattened another city".

If the Russians are all stalled and stuck, how are they capturing and destroying entire Ukrainian cities, each one another step from the Border?

It's probably this. JP Sears made a funny video about it. https://youtu.be/q1W5o3Xz5OI?source=patrick.net

The same Obama Hold Overs in charge of 2014 Coup, are the same ones that Banned HCQ/Invermectin, Instituted Lockdowns, Raised Bail and refused to Prosecute BLM/Antifa Rioters, Stole OUR Election, Removed all the Trump Era Restrictions on Nordstream2, Removed Trump's Insulin and Chronic Disease Med Price Controls, Made us "Re-Dependent" on Foreign Oil, and made COVID disappear when the Polls turned against them...

But some how, magically, THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT UKRAINE.

Wake up!

Babchenko link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4F9KB1fLo&source=patrick.net (sorry for craptube).

Generals are fighting previous wars and making same mistakes they did last time. For Russians, they are fighting the Chechen war and what happens now reminds first months in Checnhya. Just like there, they thought that Ukr population will greet them with flowers and Ukr State will fall apart. Did not happen, and the Russian attack is (partially) stopped. What Russians will do next, is to bomb cities like they did in Chechnya and try to occupy them. Problem for them is that this does not scale. Kharkov is 10x Grozny and has more people in it than whole Chechnya. Ukraine is much larger than Chechnya and Ukrainians have AA weapons. In Syria, Russians run out of modern rockets in 2 months. Will happen faster in Ukraine. Taking cities in face of determined resistance is really difficult, and thus most Ukr cities are not yet taken. Putin does not know how to retreat so he will keep throwing whatever he has. Even if he is thrown out of Ukraine, he will come back (like this happened in Chechnya). A "Court coup" is possible since generals and rich people dont like war.

Igor Strelkov link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqjCPelQ_w8&source=patrick.net

Interestingly, his youtube channel still exists: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqrrRkSYBTv1hhgmDyzZG_A?source=patrick.net

This is also a military man and intelligence man (Babchenko is a former one), but politics are 180 deg from those of Babchenko. He was first defense minister for Doneck Republic. I think it is worth listening to opposite sides so we can make up our minds. He also gave this interview BEFORE attack and reasonably precisely described what occurred.

Russia would have defeated Ukraine in 2014 in 2 days if they would have actually attacked as Ukr army had only a few battalions of Nazis who were willing to fight. After 2017 it could not have worked - Ukr army is trained now. Russian economy is in much worse state than in 2014, and most Russians will not support Putin (different from 2014 when they had consensus and supported him because of Crimea annexation). Now, war will result in huge crisis of Russian State system which was created during Eltsin and Putin times, and may result in either masked capitulation of Russian state or a coup. War in Ukraine is carried out incompetently. We can defeat Ukr army - but what next? How do we govern after defeating? There will be rebels in Ukraine, who will fight them? This fight will need 5 times more troops than defeating Ukrainian army. Americans like this war because it will cause rebellions in Russia. Economically Russians have not prepared correctly. They did not make a separate economic payment system, their own industry, but Putin govt is a mafioso group who cares about personal enrichment only. They care only about PR and their own money. Americans will come in if Russian military structures will start falling apart.

He talked right before attack, and said that this will not be a quick war. He also predicted attack from Belorus. Overall, Russians are not ready, and it will be a disaster because of poor planning.

AmericanKulak says

THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT UKRAINE.

I think all of us here can agree that TRUMP WAS RIGHT. There was no war on his watch.

I don't know: "We red dawn'd the Russians just inside the border, Lookit this unprovenced short films that prove it. Nevermind our proven BS about Snake Island, the Nuclear Reactor, and the Ghost of Kiev Super Special Fighter Ace"

and

"Help, No Fly Zone! Russians take and flatten another city further down the road from the last one"

Can't be simultaneously true.

Just like 1 in 3 Africans can't have AIDS while African population is exploding.

I don't have any raw footage... I'd like to see a Movement to Contact Russian-Ukrainian engagement. Even if the Ukies are outnumbered, you can tell by the speed and damage and the ability to jet back and set up another ambush down the road OR see how fast the Russians attack the ambush to see how well trained either side is. Instead I see some burning husks that don't mean shit because both sides are using mostly the same equipment.

AmericanKulak says

The same Obama Hold Overs in charge of 2014 Coup, are the same ones that Banned HCQ/Invermectin, Instituted Lockdowns, Raised Bail and refused to Prosecute BLM/Antifa Rioters, Stole OUR Election, Removed all the Trump Era Restrictions on Nordstream2, Removed Trump's Insulin and Chronic Disease Med Price Controls, Made us "Re-Dependent" on Foreign Oil, and made COVID disappear when the Polls turned against them...

But some how, magically, THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT UKRAINE.

Wake up!

Very good point! The only consistent result (and therefore intended consequences) of policies from this gang (of bankster agents) seems to be maximizing killing of civilians in all European and North America nations. The banning of HCQ/Ivermectin and lockdowns were obviously carried out for that purpose. The lifting of restriction on Nortdstream2 was to get the Germans (giving Merkle the excuse) to shutdown their nuclear power plants, making them dependent on Russian gas for heating, then suddenly escalating the shelling of civilians and provoking Russians into one of their classic grandiose "deep operation" counter-attacks (similar to German Bervegonskrieg but on a much larger scale while paying even less attention to logistics than the Gemans did; e.g. Battles of Brody and Stalingrand counter-offensives, ironically having taken place near the two ends of today's Ukraine), thereby killing Ukrainians and Russians by war and killing Germans by freezing.

I also can't trust the Western Press to do interviews with Ukrainians and get the nay sayers or the "Fuckitall" types --- just the "We'll fight to the last man!" types.

Looking at the refugee stream, alot of Ukrainians are like "Here's my chance to get out of this hell hole"

IF Ukraine stays independent, expect the Euros who let MENA economic migrants from Eritrea stay indefinitely, set a time for Ukrainians to return to Ukraine.

Bd6r says

Babchenko link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4F9KB1fLo&source=patrick.net (sorry for craptube).

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Bd6r says

Igor Strelkov link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqjCPelQ_w8&source=patrick.net

Thanks, good info.

One thing I'd add about Strelkov. It seems that he has a chip on his shoulder, because of his current status. He said things before which imply he's unhappy and not getting the recognition that he thinks he deserves. The "only if he was still calling the shots, we'd be so much better off!" kinda things. It doesn't make his point invalid, but it may show bias.

By the way, in case someone doesn't know what it means to have been "the first defense minister for Doneck Republic". It was his regiment that crossed over from Russia and started the process which turned that entire region into the hellhole in 2014.

that's typical NAZI! behavior. Or is it GLOBOHOMO?
Booger says

AmericanKulak says

"We red dawn'd the Russians just inside the border, Lookit this unprovenced short films that prove it. Nevermind our proven BS about Snake Island, the Nuclear Reactor, and the Ghost of Kiev Super Special Fighter Ace"

and

"Help, No Fly Zone! Russians take and flatten another city further down the road from the last one"

Can't be simultaneously true.

Fog of War (c)
both sides will lie whenever it is to their benefit.

Wow, look at this guy and this guy, these anonymous anybodies who nobody has heard of, fighting so hard!

Meanwhile, Media downplays this:

Bd6r says

RC2006 says

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

We did have Trump for a while.

Right, the moron president who was the first president in 4 decades that couldn't figure out how to start a new stupid fucking war.

That's the stupidity I want.

richwicks says

That's the stupidity I want.

My point was that Trump was not stupid.

Putin has supposedly asked for a truce via Israel

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1500227909147111432?source=patrick.net#m

Not sure of course, but this source is usually reliable.

Bd6r says

Putin has supposedly asked for a truce via Israel

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1500227909147111432?source=patrick.net#m

Not sure of course, but this source is usually reliable.

Russians always ask for truce when they need to regroup and resupply. Since logistics seems to be their Achilles heel, I'd not fall for it in Ukies place.

Bd6r says

Putin has supposedly asked for a truce via Israel

Yeah, he is either losing, or trying to quit while he is still ahead.

ChauvinsKnee says

Russians always ask for truce when they need to regroup and resupply. Since logistics seems to be their Achilles heel, I'd not fall for it in Ukies place.

Agreed, same behavior as in Chechnia