patrick.net

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-worried-that-if-they-cant-ban-opposing-viewpoints-theyll-actually-have-to-defend-their-ideas?source=patrick.net

SAN FRANCISCO, CA—A growing number of left-leaning voices are concerned about a dangerous increase in free speech if Elon Musk buys Twitter. Early reports confirm that this is because they would have to debate their opponents, instead of just banning them.

"Any statement that I don't like is literally incitement, promoting violence, and an existential threat to worldwide democracy" tweeted one user named Resist_The_System90210. "I never had to debate a real person, as Twitter just buries them in the 'additional replies, including those that may contain offensive content' to protect me!"

Don Lemon called out the widespread misunderstanding about so-called "free speech" on his "Don Lemon Tonight" segment: "There are obviously limits to free speech. You can't yell 'fire' in a theater, or claim that you can still catch and spread COVID even if you have the vaccine, or talk about the laptop proving that Joe Biden's son leveraged his Dad's position to make a fortune for the family - free speech is more like speech that I already agree with and won't hurt prevailing liberal narratives."

One commenter disagreed, however, on the grounds that Twitter was already an unbiased bastion of free speech principles. "If Elon takes over Twitter, he'll let literal Nazis like Donald Trump and Gina Carano say whatever they want! I won't be safe!"

At time of publishing, left-wing Twitter users were relieved to find that Elon was outbid by a CCP-connected Chinese oligarch.

There are many reasons to be skeptical of Musk's motives and, even if pure, his ability to restore free speech to Twitter. Way too many powerful interests need this censorship. But the panic reveals so much. My @getcallin show yesterday covered all this:

callin.com/episode/elon-musk…

Elon Musk Provokes Liberal Panic. Plus, reluctantly: “groomer” discourse | The Glenn Greenwald...
As the war um Ukraine ushers in an unprecedented censorship regime, liberal hysteria explodes over the possibility of free speech. Plus: is there validity, malice or both in the “groomer” debates?

How dumb do you have to be to believe that journalists - who work at Bloomberg and the Bezos-owned WPost or Comcast or CNN - are worried about billionaires controlling media?

They're only petrified that the wrong billionaire, one who may not censor for them, might reign.

Social media was heralded as an innovation that would liberate individuals from centralized control by the state and oligarchical power over their speech.

It has become the exact opposite: the most powerful tool of information control and speech constraints ever devised.

Censorship of conservatives gets most attention because it's so common, but censorship of anti-establishment leftists is also frequent: any dissident can be banned.

Pretending this is about bots or spam is fraudulent. This censorship is about control of political information.

You're allowed to spread any lies, propaganda and disinformation you want if it advances the Ukrainian cause (i.e., the US/NATO cause), but will be instantly banned if you say anything that challenges that on the ground of "Russia disinformation." This is all explicit.

Throughout the COVID pandemic, you weren't allowed to question the efficacy of cloth masks. You weren't allowed to interrogate the origins of the virus. You weren't allowed to debate vaccines or lockdowns. No dissent from Fauci/WHO was allowed.

The censorship is 100% political.

Let's put it this way:

On Google/YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, you are free to say the 2000 and 2016 elections were stolen and fraudulent. You can't say that about 2020.

Before the 2020 election, you weren't allowed to post reporting on the Biden emails.

It's all ideological.

Everyone knows they are lying. Nobody cares about Twitter censoring bots or spam. That's not what this is about.

The social media censorship people care about is 100% ideological: banning dissent on COVID, the Biden emails, culture war debates, etc. That's what's at stake.

In US culture, we're inculcated from childhood that censorship is bad. So of course nobody -- especially journalists -- wants to say: "I favor censorship."

That's why they need euphemisms like "content moderation": to pretend it's about bots, abuse, etc. rather than ideology.

Yesterday was a flagship day in corporate media. It was the day they were forced to explicitly state what has long been clear: they not only favor censorship but desperately crave and depend on it.

Even if Musk doesn't buy Twitter, never forget what yesterday revealed.

One of those stories that went down the memory hole.

Patrick says

These journalists are not dumb. They are trained dogs. They are following the orders of their masters who are following the order of their masters and so on to the head of the snake.

mell says

Patrick says

Shaman says

So stock values drop over the refusal of one shareholder to sell to Musk.

Can that one shareholder block the sale?

No. The board will likely refuse it though, and that will open them up for lawsuits violating their fiduciary duty etc. Stock will tank if it's rejected

Today after the reveal of the Poison Pill the board inserted into their own company, Twatter is trending down having lost four basis points and returning to the valuation it was at when Elon made his initial buy. How much lower can it go? We shall see. Elon will keep up the pressure to make these people expose their attitudes. Short sellers incoming!
I think Elon will buy it all at $25/share.

Shaman says

Today after the reveal of the Poison Pill the board inserted into their own company, Twatter is trending down having lost four basis points and returning to the valuation it was at when Elon made his initial buy. How much lower can it go? We shall see. Elon will keep up the pressure to make these people expose their attitudes. Short sellers incoming!
I think Elon will buy it all at $25/share.

Elon really has backed these lefty pedos into a corner.

- They accept the sale, they get paid but lose power over the town square.
- They don't accept the sale, the stock price crashes, and Elon can buy more at cheaper and cheaper prices.
- Elon decides it's not worth it, and he dumps (worst case scenario for stock HODLers).

All of this because lefty democrat ideas cannot survive the scrutiny of open free discussions. It all collapses without censorship and heavy moderation and curating of the conversation. That's how you know who the bad guys are.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/04/14/elon-musk-poised-first-african-american-own-major-social-media-company-twitter/?source=patrick.net

‘Great Day For Diversity’: Elon Musk Poised To Be First African American To Own A Major Social Media Company

Goran_K says

All of this because lefty democrat ideas cannot survive the scrutiny of open free discussions.

It's not left, it's establishment.

We living under an authoritarian system. The whole purpose of making the Internet was to expose it. Well, now you see it, but you STILL want to think it's LEFT VERSUS RIGHT.

It's not.

It's UP versus DOWN.

Mike Gravel, Tulsi Gabbard, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Donald Trump - they are ALL subject to censorship. What do they have it common? Are they LEFT or RIGHT? Or do they just talk truth to power?

If people can't understand what is going on, they can't change it. The left and right were created, ENTIRELY ARTIFICIALLY to be a distraction.

I think it is true, however, that there has been something of a swap in left-right ideology. People who say they are on the left these days were converted into tools of the establishment and never even noticed.




Not that the establishment right is much better. But the left has changed dramatically.

Shaman says

Today after the reveal of the Poison Pill the board inserted into their own company

@Shaman What are the details of how that Poison Pill works?

richwicks says

It's not left, it's establishment.

We living under an authoritarian system. The whole purpose of making the Internet was to expose it. Well, now you see it, but you STILL want to think it's LEFT VERSUS RIGHT.

It's not.

It's UP versus DOWN.

Mike Gravel, Tulsi Gabbard, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Donald Trump - they are ALL subject to censorship. What do they have it common? Are they LEFT or RIGHT? Or do they just talk truth to power?

If people can't understand what is going on, they can't change it. The left and right were created, ENTIRELY ARTIFICIALLY to be a distraction.

Yeah I've heard this dumb argument before, but I have to ask, who is the "right establishment", and how much power do they have? Yes you have the Bush and Cheneys, but I don't consider these dudes "true right", more like moderate left with mostly self serving ideologies that do not fit strictly left or right.

So who are the true "establishment" that "claims" to be right/conservative that is waging a culture war right now?

Patrick says

Shaman says

Today after the reveal of the Poison Pill the board inserted into their own company

@Shaman What are the details of how that Poison Pill works?

I believe (and my info may be outdated since I haven't worked on Wall Street for a long time), but basically it will allow the board to issue additional shares for purchase at discounted prices in an effort to dilute existing shareholders. I think that's the basics of it.

The poison pill will flood the market with new shares as soon as any new individuals ownership goes over X%, I think they set it at 15. It's pretty effective, but it will also ruin the price in the long term if there are no other serious bidders as it will dilute everybody. twatter and the leftoid soyborgs are fooked, I'd avoid the stock like the plague now.

Goran_K says

Yeah I've heard this dumb argument before

You're hopeless.

Describe the principles of "the left" and "the right" - the principles they've each held for from 1970 to 2020.

It's not an argument at all and it's not "dumb". People are dumb.

Goran_K says

but I have to ask, who is the "right establishment", and how much power do they have? Yes you have the Bush and Cheneys, but I don't consider these dudes "true right"

The "not a true Scotsman fallacy".

What are the principles of each, fake, non-existent side?

I can tell you the principles of up down. The principle, the only principle of the up - is power. The down is escape from that. You have DUMMIES that think that the powerful will represent them, too stupid to realize they never will. Did the "left" get their $2,000 checks for voting for Biden? Did the "left" get out of all these stupid endless wars by voting for Obama? There's no left or right.

There's right and wrong, and that's it.

Goran_K says

So who are the true "establishment" right that is waging a culture war right now?

It takes two to tango.

People bitch and moan about sick bullshit on television - throw your fucking television away. They whine and complain about censorship done by corporations - stop using them.

All this shit, it just distraction. Do you think Mitt Romney gives a shit about the culture war, or Joe Biden does? Do you think Clinton "felt your pain" or cares about it? Does "the left" care about if the president is mentally incompetent, if he's corrupt, if he's a warmonger? Well, they did, supposedly, when Trump was president, don't now.

It's just the establishment. When we next have a president like George Bush or some other asshole - and we will have one - the standards will change again which means there are no standards.

Our problem is that people are stupidly divided, and that's exactly how the establishment prefers it. Break us up into tiny small groups, fund them, and use them to create havoc. Remember the Feminism in video games bullshit? Where is Anita Sarkeesian now? Arguments are created just to make an argument. It doesn't matter in a free market system, which we no longer have. The fundamental problem is we have an oligarchy, and they aren't left or right, they just want to maintain their position, PERIOD.

richwicks says

Goran_K says

Yeah I've heard this dumb argument before

You're hopeless.

Describe the principles of "the left" and "the right" - the principles they've each held for from 1970 to 2020.

It's not an argument at all and it's not "dumb". People are dumb.

Goran_K says

but I have to ask, who is the "right establishment", and how much power do they have? Yes you have the Bush and Cheneys, but I don't consider these dudes "true right"

The "not a true Scotsman fallacy".

What are the principles of each, fake, non-existent side?

I can tell you the principles of up down. The principle, the only principle of the up - is power. The down is escape from that. You have DUMMIES that think that the powerful will represent them, too stupid to realize they never will. Did the "left" ge...

Not true. The rinos are part of the club, but plenty of principled repubs aren't. On the dem side you have very few and they have zero power against the politbureau. There is such thing as lesser evil, currently far lesser.

richwicks says

Goran_K says

Yeah I've heard this dumb argument before

You're hopeless.

Describe the principles of "the left" and "the right" - the principles they've each held for from 1970 to 2020.

It's not an argument at all and it's not "dumb". People are dumb.

Goran_K says

but I have to ask, who is the "right establishment", and how much power do they have? Yes you have the Bush and Cheneys, but I don't consider these dudes "true right"

The "not a true Scotsman fallacy".

What are the principles of each, fake, non-existent side?

I can tell you the principles of up down. The principle, the only principle of the up - is power. The down is escape from that. You have DUMMIES that think that the powerful will represent them, too stupid to realize they never will. Did the "left" ge...

Okay what are the principles of up/down, and how does Trump fit in?

Also politicians don't have to care about you, they just need to enact and run principled freedom based policies.

Goran_K says

Okay what are the principles of up/down, and how does Trump fit in?

Already stated it but will state it again. The only purpose of the people in power is to maintain their power. They are free from prosecution, they can violate any law they want, they can prosecute the innocent by simply bankrupting them - it's just to maintain their power. A boot stamping on a face forever.

The principles of the down are to get out from under that boot.

For example: Today, ex students are complaining about their student debt load - which was created by the people in power, quite intentionally. Give every single human being the opportunity to go to college, raise tuition, don't expand schools, create worthless degree programs - put them $200,000 in debt for their basketweaving degree.

This expanded the money supply (student debt is considered an asset by the government), and made a bunch of slaves out of people who are now under that debt that can never be forgiven until it is paid off. It was just done to control. No other reason. It was done to create a bunch of slaves.

Now, in the left or the right, who is talking about it in these terms?

And I have no idea how Trump fits in. I think he's just a megalomaniac that wants to throw a wrench into the works. He was a democrat until 2000. I'm sure he's sick and tired of having to put up with the bullshit, and understood it. He spent 4 years PROVING how corrupt the system is and was mercilessly attacked for doing it. The "right" attacked him, a bunch of pedophiles in the Lincoln Project who are STILL unprosecuted spent a ton of time doing this.

The powerful aren't going to do anything that rocks the boat. This means Biden isn't going to be impeached even when he's CLEARLY out of him mind now. Hunter will not be indicted, Nancy Pelosi will be allowed to continue - nothing is going to change. It's EASY to attack the democratic establishment now, they are VERY CORRUPT, but notice nobody does it - because the Republican establishment is equally corrupt.

Shaman says

Today after the reveal of the Poison Pill the board inserted into their own company, Twatter is trending down having lost four basis points

What market / instrument are you looking at? Stock market appears closed today.

Goran_K says

Patrick says

Shaman says

Today after the reveal of the Poison Pill the board inserted into their own company

@Shaman What are the details of how that Poison Pill works?

I believe (and my info may be outdated since I haven't worked on Wall Street for a long time), but basically it will allow the board to issue additional shares for purchase at discounted prices in an effort to dilute existing shareholders. I think that's the basics of it.

@Patrick Goran nailed it. Issuing new shares out of nowhere would damage their stock price considerably, but I guess it’s legal.

richwicks says

It takes two to tango.

People bitch and moan about sick bullshit on television - throw your fucking television away. They whine and complain about censorship done by corporations - stop using them.

All this shit, it just distraction. Do you think Mitt Romney gives a shit about the culture war, or Joe Biden does? Do you think Clinton "felt your pain" or cares about it? Does "the left" care about if the president is mentally incompetent, if he's corrupt, if he's a warmonger? Well, they did, supposedly, when Trump was president, don't now.

It's just the establishment. When we next have a president like George Bush or some other asshole - and we will have one - the standards will change again which means there are no standards.

Our problem is that people are stupidly divided, and that's exactly how the establishment prefers it. Break us up into tiny small groups, fund them, and use them to create havoc. Remember the Feminism in video games bullshit? ...

Lincoln Project is funded by Soros and the DNC. They are not a "right wing" org by any stretch of the imagination.

Romney is a moderate lefty. You can tell by his voting record. He may "not care" about the culture war, but he is empowering it based on the ideas being touted by all prominent lefties.

Clinton is a lefty.

George Bush is probably the only moderate right guy you brought up, but then again, he never was a major factor in the current culture war.

This is why your idea is stupid. You claim it's not "left vs right", but all the culture war enemies are lefties. All the institutions are controlled by lefties. You can't just gloss over it. You need to explain it for your idea to work.

Shaman says

@Patrick Goran nailed it. Issuing new shares out of nowhere would damage their stock price considerably, but I guess it’s legal.

In the beginning not so much since their purchase price is discounted, but once they have made some gains they will dump and the increased float will crater the pps slowly but surely.

Goran_K says

This is why your idea is stupid. You claim it's not "left vs right", but all the culture war enemies are lefties.

20 years ago it was "we have to bring back Christian school prayer" "Evolution and Creationism are both THEORIES" "Comedians can't use those words!!" "We need the CDA to protect THE CHILDREN on the Internet!"

It alternates. Maybe you've not bee around long enough.

In the early 1990's when the first Communication Decency Act was being pushed through we had USENet. USEnet was a global bulletin board system that had a variety of topics. When they were trying to regulate the Internet back then, a bunch of spooks started posting pornography on alt.computing.amiga and alt.tech.news, etc - when there was already alt.sex.whatever. People complained because there was a place for that, but "it is my RIGHT to say whatever I want WHEREVER I want!!!". This continued until the CDA failed, and then it all went away.

IP addresses were recorded at that time, and we found out they all when back to military sites.

The culture war is promoted CONSTANTLY just to get idiots to fight.

I really don't mind it that much in that FINALLY people are inspecting what kind of BULLSHIT their kids are being taught. When it was just bullshit "Common Core Math" nobody really got up in arms about it - although they should have. It was just a way to sell more books, and not educate kids. That was important, but now they want to teach about transgendered people in 3rd grade, FINALLY people wake up.

People aren't vigilant and those that are, are called quacks.

It's quite simple, if you don't have control, YOU are being controlled.

richwicks says

20 years ago it was "we have to bring back Christian school prayer" "Evolution and Creationism are both THEORIES" "Comedians can't use those words!!" "We need the CDA to protect THE CHILDREN on the Internet!"

None of this hurts children, and there was never any actual censorship. Yes, it's an example of the bigot right, but it had no bearing on people's health or daily lives.

richwicks says

20 years ago it was "we have to bring back Christian school prayer" "Evolution and Creationism are both THEORIES" "Comedians can't use those words!!" "We need the CDA to protect THE CHILDREN on the Internet!"

It alternates. Maybe you've not bee around long enough.

In the early 1990's when the first Communication Decency Act was being pushed through we had USENet. USEnet was a global bulletin board system that had a variety of topics. When they were trying to regulate the Internet back then, a bunch of spooks started posting pornography on alt.computing.amiga and alt.tech.news, etc - when there was already alt.sex.whatever. People complained because there was a place for that, but "it is my RIGHT to say whatever I want WHEREVER I want!!!". This continued until the CDA failed, and then it all went away.

Are you going to continue to be dishonest? Because I'll just block and ignore you without hesitation if you're just trolling.

Are you comparing the "Evolution vs Creationism" debate to K-12 educators talking to kids about taking puberty blockers, drag queen story time, and forcing them to take experimental vaccines? People are literally being banned from social media, or fired from their jobs for not agreeing that "men can get pregnant" and that "women can have dicks".

Because if you consider those things equivalent, we're fucking done here.

mell says

richwicks says

20 years ago it was "we have to bring back Christian school prayer" "Evolution and Creationism are both THEORIES" "Comedians can't use those words!!" "We need the CDA to protect THE CHILDREN on the Internet!"

None of this hurts children, and there was never any actual censorship. Yes, it's an example of the bigot right, but it had no bearing on people's health or daily lives.

Indoctrinating children into anything, including religion, is evil. Convincing a kid that the world is 5,000 years old because the Bible said so - that kid isn't going to be a very good biologist, because it will make the concept of evolution quite difficult to them.

Goran_K says

Are you comparing the "Evolution vs Creationism" debate to K-12 educators talking to kids about taking puberty blockers, drag queen story time, and forcing them to take experimental vaccines?

No, this is worse - far worse.

It's worse because it has to be to get people to react. It wouldn't happen if you have local control over your school which you should have.

Really, I don't care if some insane parent sterilizes their kid. I feel badly for the kid. My main objection is that none of this belongs in school. School is for reading, writing, and arithmetic and it hasn't been for a long time.

Schools have sucked for a long long time. I'm glad people are finally recognizing it.

This is an attempt to extinguish education. There's ONE governor that is resisting it.

richwicks says

mell says

richwicks says

20 years ago it was "we have to bring back Christian school prayer" "Evolution and Creationism are both THEORIES" "Comedians can't use those words!!" "We need the CDA to protect THE CHILDREN on the Internet!"

None of this hurts children, and there was never any actual censorship. Yes, it's an example of the bigot right, but it had no bearing on people's health or daily lives.

Indoctrinating children into anything, including religion, is evil. Convincing a kid that the world is 5,000 years old because the Bible said so - that kid isn't going to be a very good biologist, because it will make the concept of evolution quite difficult to them.

They were taught side by side so you could still make up your mind. And this doesn't compare to forcibly injecting children with deadly substances. I'd say the boosh era brought a lot of death and destruction to foreign counties, but leftoids excel in destroying America and its citizens

richwicks says

No, this is worse - far worse.

It's worse because it has to be to get people to react. It wouldn't happen if you have local control over your school which you should have.

Really, I don't care if some insane parent sterilizes their kid. I feel badly for the kid. My main objection is that none of this belongs in school. School is for reading, writing, and arithmetic.

Schools have sucked for a long long time. I'm glad people are finally recognizing it.

I agree that religion generally shouldn't be the basis of public school education but that was never really a war waged by the right. Otherwise the entire boomer generation and Gen X and their kids would have been religious zealots. In fact, as history has shown, the majority of them went the exact opposite. Literally never was an issue.

Compare that to Millennials where 90% of them are woke gaytards who use the term "birthing people". The left has waged a culture war, and they are winning.

Whether you like it or not, there is nothing in the history of the country as wide spread and dangerous right now than the culture war that the left is waging in America. It's literally destroying the country before our eyes. The argument that "both sides do it!" is extremely weak because the right has never held the institutions of culture in the same dominant fashion as the left does now.

mell says

They were taught side by side so you could still make up your mind. And this doesn't compare to forcibly injecting children with deadly substances. I'd say the boosh era brought a lot of death and destruction to foreign counties, but leftoids excel in destroying America and its citizens

What is being done in foreign countries will be done here in time.

Our government, or rather the cabal that has become our government, has no issues about killing 100's of thousands of people for resource extraction, they have no problem using eminent domain to steal private property for mines. They have no problem falsifying the mortgage system either to bankrupt people and stealing their homes.

We're run by a criminal syndicate.

richwicks says

We're run by a criminal syndicate.

I read a quote somewhere like "Government is just mafia with a budget to project a veneer of legitimacy."

Hopefully America isn't that bad yet, but then trend has not been good.

Colombian drug dealers build schools and hospitals in areas where the official government fails to do so. Those drug dealers look like a government.

Russian government tax collectors in masks confiscate business inventory to cover the business's back taxes. Those agents look like bandits.

gabbar says

Elon is not the richest fellow on the planet.

Who is? Rothchilds, I guess.

gabbar says

Elon is not the richest fellow on the planet.

According to Forbes, he is:

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/?source=patrick.net

That's from 2022, but not sure if things changed in the last few months.

WineHorror1 says

gabbar says

Elon is not the richest fellow on the planet.

Who is? Rothchilds, I guess.

Who owns the Federal Reserve and the ECB? Toss a coin between them.

They literally own a money printer, and there is no auditing. If you don't realize they are the wealthiest people on the planet, I admire your trust in the good nature of people that have unlimited power, when they have no oversight.

KATY TUR, MSNBC: It's so tricky because there are real and devastating consequences for using that platform to lie. We have seen it happen.

I wonder -- you know, in talking about this, it's kind of funny, oh, Elon Musk wants to buy it, but there are massive life and globe-altering consequences for just letting people run wild on the thing.

KARA SWISHER, NYT: 100%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/04/15/msnbcs_katy_tur_massive_life_and_globe-altering_consequences_to_letting_people_run_wild_on_social_media.html?source=patrick.net

Except, they're the liars.

richwicks says

The culture war is promoted CONSTANTLY just to get idiots to fight.

Can't disagree more. The culture war is THE war.

Convincing people that little kids can make rational decisions about their sex that can and should overrule parents isn't just ritual humiliation, but it's just a variant of the

"The Party says 1+1=3, WINSTON! Now, how many fingers am I holding up?" power trip.

The John Birchers and Social Cons accurately predicted the next stage after Gay Marriage.

Also, Creation vs. Evolution is a false dichotomy. It's Neo-spontaneous generation disguised as "evolution", for which there is no evidence for, vs. Creationism (for which there is equally no physical evidence for). In other words, to weigh in on the side of Evolution, which is just the secular version of creationism without evidence, is the government putting their finger on the scale for one evidence free explanation over another. Evolution explains partially how life changes over time (why and how do massive amounts of new DNA information come from during explosions of entirely new lifeforms within mere million or so years with nothing remotely resembling an ancestor?), but had nothing to say about OOL.

I do think the media promotes the culture war to get the rest of us to fight and not look upward, knowing that the culture war is important and will distract us.

As long as we don't talk about the low capital gains tax relative to the high tax on earned income, the billionaires are happy.

Patrick says

As long as we don't talk about the low capital gains tax relative to the high tax on earned income, the billionaires are happy.

The culture war is indirect attacks: By weakening the family, by turning science into TheScience(tm) of white coated court astrologers or East India Company Factors, etc., they can weaken the public power generally by shifting the locus of power from family, religion, personal belief to Institutions they control. By Weakening religious belief, another source of potential power source that can mobilize against globalism, is also useful in imposing borderless corporate fascism.