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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   438,055 views  4,272 comments

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845   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 19, 12:25pm  

This thinking stuff is too hard.

The Economist Told Me, So Must Be True. All Good Thinking People get their Opinions From Approved Sources, no matter how they contradict what is known. Like COVID Masking helping slow the spread, at least a little because Controlled Lab Experiments trump almost every Public Health Survey on Mask Wearing during Respiratory Disease Outbreaks. And all empirical, real world data on COVID cases and deaths between regions/countries with varying rules.
846   mostly reader   2022 Apr 19, 1:26pm  

richwicks says
I've already told you 3 times that OF COURSE everybody uses propaganda.
And each time you've been told that "using propaganda" wasn't the question at hand. Or else, why DID you pressure me to produce examples of something that you now claim is obvious? Even your complete lack of coherency doesn't explain it.

But you doing a switcheroo does. Snake on the frying pan style. You attempt to switch from topic A - "Rashists blatantly manufacturing info and pushing it onto the world." (for which you demanded examples) To topic B - "oh, everyone is using propaganda, how silly of you not to know".

You asked me for examples of A, which you are now attempting to transform to B. Your bullshit is so cute.

So, repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.
847   Shaman   2022 Apr 19, 1:34pm  

https://youtu.be/GEIFwLKlq1Q?source=patrick.net

Kim Iversen talks about an article written by a French general who has made a career in NATO helping the Ukraine. Apparently he says that this all started because Ukraine incorporated the Nazi militias into their army and turned them loose on the Russian speaking separatists of the Donbas region. In February these brutal battalions began shelling cities and towns in Donbas to wipe them out. Russia then had a choice: watch as their people get genocided by literal Nazis, or intervene. Of course Biden made it worse because his intelligence agencies knew the choice Russia had in front of them and called their choice for war ahead of time. It was an easy call. Imagine how we would feel if say, California seceded and then a bunch of California Nazis began doing ethnic cleansing in San Bernadino. Should we intervene or let it happen?
848   Patrick   2022 Apr 19, 1:38pm  

AmericanKulak says
All Good Thinking People get their Opinions From Approved Sources


Also known as "argument by status".

The higher status source is assumed correct even when it obviously is not.
849   mostly reader   2022 Apr 19, 1:40pm  

Shaman says
In February these brutal battalions began shelling cities and towns in Donbas to wipe them out.
February. That's when Rashists army amassed at the Ukrainian border.

That should be enough to stop reading.
850   Patrick   2022 Apr 20, 8:09pm  

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/where-is-gonzalo-lira-and-how-is?s=r&source=patrick.net


Where is Gonzalo Lira? And how is it okay that he's been missing for five days?
"Our free press" hates dissidents as much as Ukraine's Nazis do
851   PeopleUnited   2022 Apr 20, 8:25pm  

Onvacation says
Trump was impeached because he questioned why Biden extorted the Ukrainian government. Why?


Actually Trump was impeached because he wasn’t part of the globalists club, either that or it was just a circus to distract us while they implemented the Covid craze.
852   Onvacation   2022 Apr 21, 7:55am  

mostly reader says
So, repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

Four times isn't enough?
853   Onvacation   2022 Apr 21, 8:01am  

PeopleUnited says
Actually Trump was impeached because he wasn’t part of the globalists club,

Agreed. I was just repeating the bogus official reason.
854   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 21, 9:55am  

The traitor and famous pro-Russian pundit Valery Kuleshov was killed this morning.

He was a candidate to become the new head of the occupation police in Kherson.

A number of unknown assailants shot him dead just after he left his apartment.

Collaboration can be costly.


https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1516796965257945088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&source=patrick.net
856   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 21, 11:31am  

Patrick says






Unless your windows don't open at all this is how you make sure they don't break from explosions: unlock them and put several 3-5L plastic bottles on the ledge to act as a brake. This way the window will be able to open to releave the difference in pressure but won't open so violently as to break the glass from impact at the end of the swing because it will spend all that energy pushing away thse water bottles.

Obviously won't work for sliding windows and windows opening outwards but these are rare in Eastern Europe.
857   Patrick   2022 Apr 21, 12:24pm  

Patrick says
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/where-is-gonzalo-lira-and-how-is?s=r&source=patrick.net


Where is Gonzalo Lira? And how is it okay that he's been missing for five days?
"Our free press" hates dissidents as much as Ukraine's Nazis do


Another article about his disappearance:

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-gonzalo-lira?s=r&source=patrick.net

I hope he's OK.
858   Patrick   2022 Apr 21, 12:29pm  

Maybe he's not dead:



859   richwicks   2022 Apr 21, 12:34pm  

Patrick says
Maybe he's not dead:


Pretty trivial for anybody to write some text and plaster his face on it. If he was murdered, it makes Ukraine look bad.
860   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 21, 9:25pm  

Can't a liberator take a shit in peace anymore?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1517283045702836224?source=patrick.net
861   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 21, 9:32pm  

Patrick says
Patrick says
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/where-is-gonzalo-lira-and-how-is?s=r&source=patrick.net


Where is Gonzalo Lira? And how is it okay that he's been missing for five days?
"Our free press" hates dissidents as much as Ukraine's Nazis do


Another article about his disappearance:

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-gonzalo-lira?s=r&source=patrick.net

I hope he's OK.


Of course the fake fuck is OK. He's a cheap attention-seeking whore - that's all. Once the novelty of "OMG I'm in Kharkiv and it's not what they make you believe it is" has wore off he had to up the ante and go for "kidnapping". Has he ever proven he really was in Kharkiv anyway? Or even in Ukraine?
862   richwicks   2022 Apr 21, 9:50pm  

RWSGFY says
Of course the fake fuck is OK. He's a cheap attention-seeking whore - that's all. Once the novelty of "OMG I'm in Kharkiv and it's not what they make you believe it is" has wore off he had to up the ante and go for "kidnapping".


Yes, our government is so credible, and anything that counteracts what they say must be false. That's why we need censorship that this country hasn't seen since the Civil War which we didn't fight over slavery, but rather to assert economic power since the South was wealthier than the North.

RWSGFY says
Has he ever proven he really was in Kharkiv anyway? Or even in Ukraine?


Yes, SEVERAL times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGZ7Gy7DBE&source=patrick.net

Make certain to mask up and take your safe and effective vaccine - it's going to be a winter of death for the unvaccinated. Remember Russia hacked our election, and Trump is a Putin Puppet. Don't forget that Assad is gassing his own people, that Qaddafi was about to cause a humanitarian crisis and the US stopped it by having him killed. Don't forget that the we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

Also, the Hunter Biden laptop is classic Russian disinformation, 50 intelligence officers said so..

Why do you continue to think these assholes EVER tell the truth?
863   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 21, 10:07pm  

richwicks says
RWSGFY says
Of course the fake fuck is OK. He's a cheap attention-seeking whore - that's all. Once the novelty of "OMG I'm in Kharkiv and it's not what they make you believe it is" has wore off he had to up the ante and go for "kidnapping".


Yes, our government is so credible, and anything that counteracts what they say must be false. That's why we need censorship that this country hasn't seen since the Civil War which we didn't fight over slavery, but rather to assert economic power since the South was wealthier than the North.

RWSGFY says
Has he ever proven he really was in Kharkiv anyway? Or even in Ukraine?


Yes, SEVERAL times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGZ7Gy7DBE&so...=&source=patrick.net
It says Lviv on the shop's banner, not Kharkiv.

And what's with all the destruction? Didn't the fuck say the war was "not real"? Or was it our own Nutty Boxer?
864   richwicks   2022 Apr 21, 10:20pm  

RWSGFY says
It says Lviv on the shop's banner, not Kharkiv.


You asked if he was even in Ukraine.

RWSGFY says
And what's with all the destruction? Didn't the fuck say the war was "not real"?


I don't know what he said.

I get tired of trying to talk with you, all you do is relentlessly argue. You're a mindless cheerleader for a side in this stupid conflict that should have never happened in the first place, and had an easy resolution. The puppets of Ukraine don't want a resolution, they want war and they have it. The enemy isn't foreign, it's domestic.
867   richwicks   2022 Apr 22, 2:31pm  

socal2 says
Why is Putin grabbing the table like that? Suppressing pain? Suppressing tremors from Parkinson's? He is making Biden look healthy and vigorous!


What I find odd is why would the Russian media show him looking unhealthy? Our media does everything they can to make Biden look as healthy and vigorous as possible. It was simple enough for the Russian media to zoom in, or for Putin to reposition himself so he looked more comfortable if he was in pain.

Strange that Russian media takes less pains to hide Putin's problems than the US media does.

I guess we'll find out. If Putin actually IS sick, I wonder why the United States didn't just wait for him to die? All they want is Russian regime change to a US friendly dictator, like Zelenskyy.
868   Patrick   2022 Apr 24, 1:19pm  




America will fight to the last Ukrainian!
869   mell   2022 Apr 24, 8:37pm  

Patrick says





America will fight to the last Ukrainian!


That's exactly it. They virtue signal like fuck and come up with stories of propaganda praise for them, but in reality they are sending them and a few howitzers to die.
870   AD   2022 Apr 24, 11:22pm  

mell says
That's exactly it. They virtue signal like fuck and come up with stories of propaganda praise for them, but in reality they are sending them and a few howitzers to die.


I suspect they still have not used more than 33% of the shoulder fired missiles (Stingers and Javelins). And look at how many Russian tanks and armored vehicles have been destroyed.

Recall a lot of arms like shoulder fired missiles and machine guns were shipped during the Trump administration and well before the Russian invasion.
871   mell   2022 Apr 25, 7:45am  

ad says
mell says
That's exactly it. They virtue signal like fuck and come up with stories of propaganda praise for them, but in reality they are sending them and a few howitzers to die.


I suspect they still have not used more than 33% of the shoulder fired missiles (Stingers and Javelins). And look at how many Russian tanks and armored vehicles have been destroyed.

Recall a lot of arms like shoulder fired missiles and machine guns were shipped during the Trump administration and well before the Russian invasion.


I hope you're right but during Trump times there was no war. This is a different ball game. Sure Russia may not always have the best tactics amd ground weapons, but they do have nukes (hypersonic) and moreover they can drag this out as long as putin has support in his country. Do we want that many more to die and the Ukrainians possibly ground down in a long war, esp. after public interest fades, and fade it will, instead of going with some serious diplomacy?
872   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 26, 7:02am  

How long wil this thing last on today's battlefield? Minutes? Seconds?

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1499315592578404354?source=patrick.net

Is Russia still holding their "good stuff" back?
873   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 26, 7:02am  

And WTF is this? A T-34?




UPD. Looks like a T-44.




So it's a 10 years NEWER design than T-34, nothing to see here, carry on!
874   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 26, 7:17am  

mell says
they can drag this out as long as putin has support in his country


They can drag it as long as they have enough relatively modern weaponry. For example, out of 2000 working tanks they fielded before the war 1000 had been upgraded with French night vision (thank you, Macron!). Can they replace these 1000 tanks with ones they have in storage? Suuure, but these won't have night vision and, most probably, not even active armor. (See couple of posts above: T-62s and even T-44s are now showing up on the battlefield). Same goes for aircraft and helos: they have many of these in storage, but the number of properly modernized ones (again, thanks, Macron!) are much less not to mention the number of experienced pilots. Russian AF famously flies much less training hours than their American counterparts.

Can they fight a modern war by conscripting 1 million enthusiastic Ivans and arming them with Mosin rifles? Sure they can try - they are very smart after all. Can they win it? I doubt it. I'd even go so far as to argue that they can't conscript 1 million Ivans.
875   socal2   2022 Apr 26, 8:40am  

4 tanks taken out by one Ukrainian missile team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyrFB4pvx0s&source=patrick.net
877   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 26, 10:58am  

Donald J Trump:
“What’s happening is horrible. When you see rockets going into apartment buildings, and there are plenty of people in those buildings, you know, they think they’re, like the people moved out, they didn’t move, they wanted to stay because they think they’re safe in their apartments.”


878   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 26, 11:04am  

socal2 says
Ukraine now has more tanks on the battlefield than Russia?

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/25/ukraine-now-has-more-tanks-than-russia-and-things-look-worse-in-the-future-n555837?source=patrick.net

By way of scale, Russia entered the war with about 120 Battalion Tactical Groups (BTG)) representing approximately 75% of the Russian Army’s combat power as well as the cutting edge of that power.




Sooo, if 75% of Russian combat power is now stuck in Ukraine and "NATO has always planned to attack and occupy Mother Russia", wouldn't now be the perfect time? What takes them so long?
879   HeadSet   2022 Apr 26, 11:26am  

Eric Holder says
Sooo, if 75% of Russian combat power is now stuck in Ukraine and "NATO has always planned to attack and occupy Mother Russia", wouldn't now be the perfect time? What takes them so long?


880   Patrick   2022 Apr 26, 1:38pm  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/shocks-to-the-system/?source=patrick.net


It looks like America is about to be treated to some shocks. Will they break the mass formation psychosis that styles itself unironically as “progressive politics?”

The first shock will be the painful recognition that Ukraine is not prevailing against Russia’s Operation Z, despite the combined efforts of the US news media and the Intel Community to put over that narrative. True, it took Russia more than a few days to overcome Ukraine’s NATO-fortified defenses, but now most of that has been neutralized, and we’re into the final weeks heading towards resolution — which will be a Ukraine that is unable to make any more trouble in that corner of the world.

That’s right, hard as it is to accept, Operation Z came down on Ukraine because it misbehaved badly, egged-on by delusional war-gamers in Washington, who could only pretend to support Ukraine once the real action started. No amount of chanting Putin-Putin-Putin availed to stop the grinding Russian advance. State’s Antony Blinken and DoD’s General Austin were in Kiev over the weekend on a face-saving mission. My guess: they tried to persuade Mr. Zelenskyy to throw in the towel. He may be too desperate and crazy to listen, but it’s truly game-over. The Russians will treat him with kid gloves, perhaps give him leave to settle in Miami and enjoy the American dream with the fortune he has squirreled away. There will be changes in the map. Ukraine will sink back into peaceful obscurity while the US and Europe have to struggle with the impoverishing blowback from wrecking the global trade settlement system.
881   Patrick   2022 Apr 27, 9:56am  

The Ruble is back to pre-sanction levels.


882   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 27, 9:41pm  

Patrick says
The Ruble is back to pre-sanction levels.




Except you can't buy USD anywhere in Russia. It's as fake as USD being "equal" to 0.60 Soviet Ruble in the 70s-80s. They are rapidly going back to their "glorious" past.
883   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 27, 9:43pm  

Mykhailo Podoliak, Advisor to the Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, believes that the rate of Russia’s "demilitarisation" in regions that share a border with Ukraine will continue growing in the coming weeks.
Source: Mykhailo Podoliak during the 24/7 national newscast
According to Podoliak: "The war is really intense… This intensity will undoubtedly be felt in the border-adjacent regions of the Russian Federation.
There will be a rapid rise of panic there, there will be conflicts, warehouses are going to explode – and this will only continue to intensify. In my opinion, the rate of demilitarisation of the Russian Federation will also rise significantly in the coming weeks, especially in the border-adjacent region.
And this will prompt other Russians to ask: "What are we doing in Ukraine? Why have we killed so many people there in the last two months, and what price are we prepared to pay for this?" And these warehouses, petroleum, oil, and lubricants, these fuel depots – these will all be the effects, these will all be debt payments that Russia will begin making for the war."
Earlier: Earlier Podoliak said explosions in Belgorod, Voronezh, and Kursk Regions of the Russian Federation were "an entirely natural process" and a "divine intervention into the affairs of sinners".

Background:
On 27 April Vyacheslav Gladkov, Governor of Belgorod Region of the Russian Federation, said that he woke up at 03:35 "at a loud noise, like an explosion". He later found out that a munition depot was on fire in the village of Staraya Nelidovka. There are no casualties and no damage to residential buildings.
Later on, Roman Starovoyt, Governor of Kursk Region of the Russian Federation, claimed that the loud banging sounds Kursk residents heard on the night of 26-7 April were the work of air defence equipment.
2 explosions were also reported in a neighbourhood in the Russian city of Voronezh.
On 26 April the Russian Ministry of Defence for the second time threatened to strike "decision-making centres" in Kyiv if Ukraine attacks facilities on the territory of the Russian Federation.



Beavis, he said "demilitarisation"!
884   Hugh_Mongous   2022 Apr 27, 10:56pm  

A little history lesson:


Prodrazvyorstka, also transliterated Prodrazverstka (Russian: продразвёрстка, IPA: [prədrɐˈzvʲɵrstkə], short for продовольственная развёрстка, lit. 'food apportionment') was a policy and campaign of confiscation of grain and other agricultural products from peasants at nominal fixed prices according to specified quotas (the noun razvyorstka, Russian: развёрстка, and the verb razverstat, refer to the partition of the requested total amount as obligations from the suppliers). This strategy often led to the deaths of many country-dwelling people, such as its involvement with the Holodomor famine.

The term is commonly associated with war communism during the Russian Civil War when it was introduced by the Bolshevik government.


And now to the modern times:

TO REPLENISH THE FUND OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS IS PLANNED WITH SUPPLY FROM UKRAINE
As part of the implementation of the strategy of state support for the agro-industrial complex and the development of rural areas of the region, the Committee of the Legislative Assembly for Rural Affairs and Agro-Industrial Policy adopted a resolution on initiating the supply of agricultural products from Ukraine.

The deputies at the meeting almost unanimously supported the decision to import grain from the Kherson region, which was partially taken under the control of the RF Armed Forces as part of the Special Operation on the territory of Ukraine. Since there is only one cucumber production plant in the region, and the lack of other vegetables and grain crops as a result of the introduction of foreign sanctions is felt acutely not only in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, but everywhere at the federal level, the expropriation of last year’s and this year’s crop surpluses from farmers in the Kherson region will become one from tools to assist small businesses, consumer cooperatives.

Committee Chairman Vladislav Zyryanov admits that colleagues from other regions will be able to successfully implement such experience in the future. “Despite the fact that logistics involves long-distance sea and land transportation, this approach will be economically justified, given the withdrawal of many suppliers of seeds and fertilizers from the Russian market, as well as significant costs for heat and electricity to grow our own vegetables and fruits. After achieving all the goals of the military operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, it will also be possible to increase the volume of supplies for the domestic Russian consumer by moving food from other southern regions taken under control, ”he is sure.

April 27, 2022
press service of the Legislative Assembly of the Krasnoyarsk Territory
Press Release No. 379 (13593)


(google translated from https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pgcrUDtAKPsJ:https://www.sobranie.info/newsinfo.php%3FUID%3D69969+&cd=7&hl=ru&ct=clnk&gl=ua)

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