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You’re not taking the guns Joe

You don’t take away the rights of law abiding citizens.

Here’s the thing:

a.) when mass shooters commit mass shootings, they aren’t following gun laws.

b.) what makes anyone think that more laws will make criminals start to follow gun laws?

c.) no matter what gun laws you make, there’s already 400,000,000 guns in circulation in the USA today. So don’t be stupid thinking that taking some rights away from law abiding citizens going forward will make a lick of difference.

So what happens now… gun stocks rise and there’s a huge spike in gun purchases and ammo shortages as a result, as usual.

BayArea says

You’re not taking the guns Joe

You don’t take away the rights of law abiding citizens.

Here’s the thing:

a.) when mass shooters commit mass shootings, they aren’t following gun laws.

b.) what makes anyone think that more laws will make criminals start to follow gun laws?

c.) no matter what gun laws you make, there’s already 400,000,000 guns in circulation in the USA today. So don’t be stupid thinking that taking some rights away from law abiding citizens going forward will make a lick of difference.

So what happens now… gun stocks rise and there’s a huge spike in gun purchases and ammo shortages as a result, as usual.

What’s your solution?

DooDahMan says

Shooter Salvador Romas posted his murder weapons 4 days ago on instagram.

No one shoots their grandmother with an assault rifle, that premise is ridiculous. The guy would go deaf. Even a handgun indoors is incredibly loud. I'm willing to believe the school thing was just a coincidence, but the posts of assault rifles makes me question everything. Do we know for sure he used an assault rifle?

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

BoomAndBustCycle says

What’s your solution?

Enforce existing laws (aka no guns for mentally ill, incl on gender change drugs, and felons), re-start mental health services which were shut down in 70's, and no restrictions wrt to gun buying and carrying for law-abiding and mentally stable persons. Also, no covid! shutdowns which demonstrably messed with mental health of people, and punishment for those who mandated and enforced covid! shutdowns.

NuttBoxer says

No one shoots their grandmother with an assault rifle, that premise is ridiculous. The guy would go deaf. Even a handgun indoors is incredibly loud. I'm willing to believe the school thing was just a coincidence, but the posts of assault rifles makes me question everything. Do we know for sure he used an assault rifle?

We don't know much. I was reading local news from Uvalde yesterday, and they change their story on an hourly basis. Local news usually let truth slip out as they can't censor everything efficiently.

This is morbid, but who cares? No one actually cares about the dead kids/people. The outrage and gun control is all bull shit. This stuff happens damn near every day in Chicago (generally not with kids).

We need to stop the stigma towards mental health. I rarely mention this, but as someone that sees a therapist it's hugely important. Life ain't perfect. You'd look at me and be like that dude is an upper middle class white guy, life is perfect. Nope. We all have our demons and past trauma. In hindsight mine was just physical and verbal abuse, not sexual. As most probably notice I like to swear a lot, and most the time I am angry. This is my space to vent, along with the therapist, but you need that outlet. Can't let that brew inside you.

It's not always super obvious, but generally you can tell when the train is about to derail. Rarely is it a surprise. No one wants to confront someone in a bad spot. Sometimes a surprise happens, my one BIL being one that just hung himself after getting a job promotion and pay raise. Then my other BIL just drank himself to death over a decade and somehow hid it.

Anyway you slice it, guns have nothing to do with it. As a non-religious person, I could never imagine killing anyone outside of self defense. Even then I'd try to de-escalate the situation 9 out of 10 times. People need to stop blaming the object used to kill and the human that was obviously fucked up and likely had shit parents or guardians. You can't though because therapy and treatment is for gays and pussies. Everyone needs help at some point. Could be financial. Could be mental. I'm not ashamed to say I see a therapist, but men/boys are generally totally against it and that's who shoots people.

You'd think after the Sopranos guys would be open to it (therapy). I sometimes hate going, but other times I go and realize that sometimes it's nice to just talk to a neutral party about life. Wife doesn't know, kids don't know, friends don't know anything you're talking about. It feels good.

Bd6r says

BoomAndBustCycle says

What’s your solution?

Enforce existing laws (aka no guns for mentally ill, incl on gender change drugs, and felons), re-start mental health services which were shut down in 70's, and no restrictions wrt to gun buying and carrying for law-abiding and mentally stable persons. Also, no covid! shutdowns which demonstrably messed with mental health of people, and punishment for those who mandated and enforced covid! shutdowns.

Not possible for kids or teens 18-24… first of all, very easy to hide their mental illness and it go undiagnosed. Better solution is banning gun ownership for 18-25 year olds… let that frontal lobe fully develop first. Or at the very least… require a psychological evaluation for 18-25 year old before they can buy a gun. That’s kind of what you suggested with mental health screening anyway.

WookieMan says

This is morbid, but who cares? No one actually cares about the dead kids/people. The outrage and gun control is all bull shit. This stuff happens damn near every day in Chicago (generally not with kids).

We need to stop the stigma towards mental health. I rarely mention this, but as someone that sees a therapist it's hugely important. Life ain't perfect. You'd look at me and be like that dude is an upper middle class white guy, life is perfect. Nope. We all have our demons and past trauma. In hindsight mine was just physical and verbal abuse, not sexual. As most probably notice I like to swear a lot, and most the time I am angry. This is my space to vent, along with the therapist, but you need that outlet. Can't let that brew inside you.

It's not always super obvious, but generally you can tell when the train is about to derail. Rarely is it a surprise. No one wants to confront someone in a bad spot. Sometimes a surprise happens, my one ...

Mental health tele-therapy should be mandatory for certain things. Problem is we don’t have enough therapists. (You kinda need a lot of education and tons of student debt to become one … problem for another day).

In the meantime … a ban on guns sales to 18-25 year olds is a good stop gap measure until “a therapist for everyone is possible”. Maybe with a expiration date when we legislate and figure out a plan for mental health services.

But we’ve done absolutely nothing for far too long.

That’s the one commonality in the vast majority of mass shootings. It’s not race or ideology. They’re young males. We are doing absolutely everything wrong when it comes to promoting healthy masculinity, purpose, & goodness for these boys and men.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/conservmillen/status/1529269324426395650#m

Locals from S. TX say that guy was not a tranny/gender confused. He was into self-harm - used to slash his own face with a knife, and supposedly dropped out of school after being bullied. This is second-hand knowledge so I can't be absolutely sure about it

BTW self-harm would be easy to diagnose

BoomAndBustCycle says

Mental health tele-therapy should be mandatory for certain things. Problem is we don’t have enough therapists. (You kinda need a lot of education and tons of student debt to become one … problem for another day).

There are plenty of therapist. And frankly I'm smarter than mine, it's an easy degree. Honestly I'd be just as good shooting the shit with some townie I don't know and who'd agree to not repeat anything I talk about. I wouldn't do that because it's about trust and that person would have no skin in the game without risk of losing a license.

Trust me, it helps to be able to vent your beefs whether it's work, family, life in general. Mine is mostly family and being able to bitch and be upset about it helps, but then also come back down.

That said I don't claim to understand younger people with issues. Tele-therapy while sounding good on paper is not a good solution in my opinion. You need human interaction in person. Most of the time that's why the person is fucked up in the first place. Deadbeat parents or abusive parents are toxic. I strive every day to be a good dad/uncle, but sometimes shit gets thrown at me. Having someone to talk to about it is amazing helpful. I can speak what I want without worry of hurting anyone or upsetting them. I come out on the back end happier as weird as it sounds.

My experience for me has been it's a place to vent and say things I wouldn't to my wife, kids, friends, etc. Blow off the anger/steam so to speak. My issues are vastly different than these shooters, but if you acknowledge you anger or hate and seek help.... well it will help. The bigger issue is getting these crazy people help. You can change gun laws all you want. A truly crazy person will get their hands on one, no different than felony gang bangers.

I think it would help to have schools have a counselor or therapist sit down one or two times a year with each student for 30 min. They can say whatever the fuck they want. Give them the freedom. I don't think people realize how fucked up people around them are. People that are just ready to snap. My SIL is a perfect example. I want to punch her every time I see her. I know I can't, but being able to say that to another human backs me down from that cliff. It's not worth it. She's got her own struggles and decking her would just make it worse for all involved.

you forgot UKRAINE BIOLABS!!!

11) You're a gay male who took a walk on the brown side lately

12) you have gender pronouns in your social media.

Bd6r says

you forgot UKRAINE BIOLABS!!!

It's bioWEAPONSLABS, YOU GLOBOHOMO ZELENSKY KOLOSOMETHING JOO NAZI STOOGE!!!!!

Eric Holder says

It's bioWEAPONSLABS, YOU GLOBOHOMO ZELENSKY KOLOSOMETHING JOO NAZI STOOGE!!!!!

BUT WHAT ABOUT NATO?

Eric Holder says

Bd6r says

you forgot UKRAINE BIOLABS!!!

It's bioWEAPONSLABS, YOU GLOBOHOMO ZELENSKY KOLOSOMETHING JOO NAZI STOOGE!!!!!

Yes they are, just like the one in Wuhan China is.

These aren't research labs. What they are researching are biological weapons. Why do you think there was such an over-reaction and panic over a coronavirus? Good thing they attenuate quickly and they suck at weapons development.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Bd6r says

you forgot UKRAINE BIOLABS!!!

It's bioWEAPONSLABS, YOU GLOBOHOMO ZELENSKY KOLOSOMETHING JOO NAZI STOOGE!!!!!

Yes they are, just like the one in Wuhan China is.

These aren't research labs. What they are researching are biological weapons. Why do you think there was such an over-reaction and panic over a coronavirus? Good thing they attenuate quickly and they suck at weapons development.

Bla-bla-bla. Where's the fucking proof of weaponisation? It's been awfully quiet since these "labs" were supposedly "captured".

Proof or GTFO.

RWSGFY says

Yes they are, just like the one in Wuhan China is.

These aren't research labs. What they are researching are biological weapons. Why do you think there was such an over-reaction and panic over a coronavirus? Good thing they attenuate quickly and they suck at weapons development.

Bla-bla-bla. Where's the fucking proof of weaponisation? It's been awfully quiet since these "labs" were supposedly "captured".

Victoria Nuland made it clear that it was a priority to prevent Russia from capturing them, and also warned that biological weapons could be released by Russia.

You vote for Brandon

And glad you did

Are jackboots banging on your door and dragging you out to be involuntarily vaccinated on the front lawn a symptom?

Left wing Democrats always tell us 'it's the gun fault'......not evil?.....get real non God believers...evil will use whatever and whoever is available....including you.

BayArea says

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

Large capacity semi automatic. Same as a "defense rifle".

Onvacation says

BayArea says

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

Large capacity semi automatic. Same as a "defense rifle".

It's any weapon that fires a projectile weapon that the government considers a weapon possible of preventing a complete tyranny.

Onvacation says

BayArea says

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

Large capacity semi automatic. Same as a "defense rifle".

So if my AR15 has a 10 round capacity, it is not an assault rifle?

Does an assault rifle have to be all black or can it be any any color?

Can an assault rifle be semi-auto but also fully auto? My semi-auto shotgun is not an assault rifle because it’s not a rifle, agree?

I’d like to really nail down the definition.

Stupid idea, if it's even real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVsUOuSjvcg

About 1/2 way through it's described how using nand flash memory replaces multiplication with an estimate in multiplication.

Neurons would die, and honestly, they are slower than artificial ones. We don't need to duplicate life, we just need to duplicate the processes of life.

BayArea says

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

It has been defined long time ago: "a rifle capable of selective fire, chambered for an intermediate cartridge feeding from a detacheable magazine".

Examples: StG44, AK-47/74 with a giggle switch, M-16, etc.

AR-15 is not it.

Onvacation says

BayArea says

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

Large capacity semi automatic. Same as a "defense rifle".

Nope: no full-auto or burst mode - not an assault rifle.

Selective fire?
Intermediate cartridge?

Can we rewrite that definition with definitions of the two terms above imbedded ?

NoYes says

Left wing Democrats always tell us 'it's the gun fault'......not evil?.....get real non God believers...evil will use whatever and whoever is available....including you.

Evil doesn’t exist… mental illness and chemical imbalances in the brain manifest themselves as evil. Boxing things into good and evil is for low iQ thinkers.

The shooter was stopped by a border-patrol agent acting in the capacity of a private citizen taking his own initiative, while the cops whose jobs were to stop violent domestic criminals were waiting for back-up's (if not having been deliberately told to stand down!)

Was the shooter surprised? and his last words being "nobody is supposed to barge in and shoot at me!"?

If anything, this mass shooting incident shows that the Founding Fathers were right: the citizens having weapons equal to the government is the last defense line to ensure liberty and stop violent criminals. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws, criminals and psychopaths (many wearing uniforms and the costumes of government officials) would have guns!

richwicks says

Victoria Nuland made it clear that it was a priority to prevent Russia from capturing them, and also warned that biological weapons could be released by Russia.

It only proves that she was concerned about pathogens, which are typically stored in every fucking lab, would be accidentally (or intentionally) released if captured by the Ruscists. This is not a proof of weaponization, which is a very concrete term and set of actions and capabilities.

So all you have is basically conjectures. No hard evidence of any weaponization has come out of any lab, captured by the Ruscists. If they had any they would fucking blast it from every mountain top for the last 3 months, but they keep fucking quiet on the subject.

And you should too until you have something concrete. If ever.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/26/report-democrat-run-cities-lead-the-way-in-population-decline/

Democrat-run Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City are leading the way in urban residential decline, U.S. Census Bureau population estimates released Thursday reveal.

The data reveals eight of the 10 largest cities in the U.S. lost population up to mid-2021.

Specifically between July 2020 and July 2021, New York lost more than 305,000 people, while Chicago and Los Angeles contracted by 45,000 residents and 40,000 people, respectively.

The top 15 largest cities remained the same as in 2020 although more than half experienced decreases in their population between 2020 and 2021: New York, New York (-305,465); Los Angeles, California (-40,537); Chicago, Illinois (-45,175); Houston, Texas (-11,777); Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (-24,754); San Diego, California (-3,783); Dallas, Texas (-14,777); San Jose, California (-27,419); and Indianapolis, Indiana (-5,343).

Although San Francisco’s not among the 10 largest cities, almost 55,000 residents left that Democrat-run city, or 6.3 percent of its 2020 population, the highest percentage of any U.S. city.

DooDahMan says

Has anyone told the assorted Churches and religions ?

Where would they be without "Evil" as an enemy?

Collection plate/basket $$ would go to hell (metaphor)

The same questions should be asked for your Omnipotent-State-god. The difference is that the Omnipotent-State religion usually collapses within a few decades, whereas the traditional church/temple hierarchy provides some sort of spiritual check-and-balance (like the Prophets in Old Testament had on the Kings) so that a faith that is necessary for upholding a society/civilization against rising selfish/manipulative/always-lying Covert Narcissism can be sustained for multiple hundreds of years instead of being liquidated in less than a century.

Onvacation says

BayArea says

Can someone define “assault rifle” ?

Large capacity semi automatic. Same as a "defense rifle".

It's a rifle that grows legs, runs around Chicago, pouring bleach on failed crapy negro actors, while screaming "this is maga country faggot!!!"

otherwise, definition doesn't exist, just emotional words to scare people who are scared of the following: guns, paper cuts, unmasked people, Trump, and getting a job.

If I understand correctly…

Shooter ran into school
Shot up a classroom
Then sat there for 40-60min before being shot himself

Seems to me school in particular is a place where an active gunman should be pursued immediately?

Otherwise there should be a massive taxpayer refund and debrief on what I can expect for my children from police.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Evil doesn’t exist… mental illness and chemical imbalances in the brain manifest themselves as evil.

Really - every criminal and scumbag just has a mental disease?

There are no external or societal influences that can cause normal people to do evil things?

BayArea says

If I understand correctly…

Shooter ran into school
Shot up a classroom
Then sat there for 40-60min before being shot himself

Seems to me school in particular is a place where an active gunman should be pursued immediately?

Otherwise there should be a massive taxpayer refund and debrief on what I can expect for my children from police.

Yeah common sense.

But politicians think that the solution (aka no solution) is to blame guns on this, not the faggot shooter, but the guns are to blame. Oh and while at it, they defunded police on campuses because police was "racist" in CA. This isn't clown world anymore, it's just fucking pure self destruction and neglect. Government people utterly hate us.