Even churches going gay - end of our culture
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Rin
2022 Jun 12, 2:33pm
Rin
2022 Jun 12, 2:33pm
PeopleUnited says
Let me make an alteration to the above statement ...
"saying what PeopleUnited believes to be true even if false"
Do you see how the game works? You're attempting to gaslight me & then, I respond to it. This conversation on this forum is over. The fight will go on on the inner plane.
If you're correct then your so-called spirit entities will defeat me, otherwise, it'll inverse itself upon you.
saying what you believe to be true even if false
Let me make an alteration to the above statement ...
"saying what PeopleUnited believes to be true even if false"
Do you see how the game works? You're attempting to gaslight me & then, I respond to it. This conversation on this forum is over. The fight will go on on the inner plane.
If you're correct then your so-called spirit entities will defeat me, otherwise, it'll inverse itself upon you.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 12, 4:19pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 12, 4:19pm
PeopleUnited says
@PeopleUnited - I should introduce you to a very religious Muslim acquaintance I just recently met. I genuinely wonder if you could both just talk, and not argue. My impression is that he despises the left but he also has great dislike of other Islamic variations.
Hmm, I just realized I don't know what version of Islam he adheres to.
He was in jail for 3 years he tells me. He's a young man, 25. Egyptian living in Turkey. I wonder if you can find your commonalities rather than your differences?
Rin says
Is that really what God wants for him?
God’s will for every person is that they be converted from a sinner under the curse of sin and death and change into a new creature in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Context
“14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;...
@PeopleUnited - I should introduce you to a very religious Muslim acquaintance I just recently met. I genuinely wonder if you could both just talk, and not argue. My impression is that he despises the left but he also has great dislike of other Islamic variations.
Hmm, I just realized I don't know what version of Islam he adheres to.
He was in jail for 3 years he tells me. He's a young man, 25. Egyptian living in Turkey. I wonder if you can find your commonalities rather than your differences?
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 7:13pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 7:13pm
Rin says
Yeah, I guess I am gaslighting you. Because when a person has a false sense of reality they need a reality check. I have “memories” of previous lives too. However I know they are not things that actually happened to me, maybe it is echos of ancestral experiences, or maybe they are just lucid dreams. I also have deja vu from time to time, I am certain I have been in a particular experience before. But again I know it is not real.
What I am not doing is I am not fighting with you. It is simply a discussion. Perhaps God is striving with your soul as you implied. If so, may He bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you and be merciful and gracious unto you, May He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace.
He is coming again soon!
King James Bible
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(The bride in this passage is all Christians)
PeopleUnited says
saying what you believe to be true even if false
Let me make an alteration to the above statement ...
"saying what PeopleUnited believes to be true even if false"
Do you see how the game works? You're attempting to gaslight me & then, I respond to it. This conversation on this forum is over. The fight will go on on the inner plane.
If you're correct then your so-called spirit entities will defeat me, otherwise, it'll inverse itself upon you.
Yeah, I guess I am gaslighting you. Because when a person has a false sense of reality they need a reality check. I have “memories” of previous lives too. However I know they are not things that actually happened to me, maybe it is echos of ancestral experiences, or maybe they are just lucid dreams. I also have deja vu from time to time, I am certain I have been in a particular experience before. But again I know it is not real.
What I am not doing is I am not fighting with you. It is simply a discussion. Perhaps God is striving with your soul as you implied. If so, may He bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you and be merciful and gracious unto you, May He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace.
He is coming again soon!
King James Bible
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(The bride in this passage is all Christians)
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 7:19pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 7:19pm
Irichwicks says
I am not much for religion. Religion will fail a person, but Jesus never will.
You can send your friend this https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0029
If he wants to talk to someone after that...
- I should introduce you to a very religious Muslim acquaintance I just recently met.
I am not much for religion. Religion will fail a person, but Jesus never will.
You can send your friend this https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0029
If he wants to talk to someone after that...
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Rin
2022 Jun 12, 8:49pm
Rin
2022 Jun 12, 8:49pm
PeopleUnited says
Don't insult my intelligence by presuming you know the mind of God.
PeopleUnited says
What utter unconscious gaslighting nonsense. What do you know about reality?
You talk about your verses as if those are verifiable by science (not Fauci science, but more like Galileo or Newton). If anything, the fact that I've been involved in exorcising spirits from ppl and have met others like you, attached to spirit entities, makes my reality more real than your diatribes. And you talk about 'reality'?
If you want to persist in this, then I'll start launching psychic assaults against you with the caveat of wrecking your vision of reality & the fact that once you've gaslighted me, you've given me the karmic right to launch a counterattack.
Understand, I don't believe in forgiveness. That's between you and Jesus.
richwicks says
PeopleUnited says
Rickwick, he's only looking for the differences and then, pushing that guy to submit to reconciliation via Christianity instead of giving him a choice which could include other faiths, aside from Islam (which we know is terroristic & a part of Arabic colonialism).
This person is little more than a typical fanatic. He has no 'Reality based' proof of anything he says and then, backs up that proof by quoting scripture. Any Tom, Dick, & Harry televangelist can do that.
. Perhaps God is striving with your soul as you implied. If so, may He bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you and be merciful and gracious unto you, May He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace.
Don't insult my intelligence by presuming you know the mind of God.
PeopleUnited says
Because when a person has a false sense of reality they need a reality check.
What utter unconscious gaslighting nonsense. What do you know about reality?
You talk about your verses as if those are verifiable by science (not Fauci science, but more like Galileo or Newton). If anything, the fact that I've been involved in exorcising spirits from ppl and have met others like you, attached to spirit entities, makes my reality more real than your diatribes. And you talk about 'reality'?
If you want to persist in this, then I'll start launching psychic assaults against you with the caveat of wrecking your vision of reality & the fact that once you've gaslighted me, you've given me the karmic right to launch a counterattack.
Understand, I don't believe in forgiveness. That's between you and Jesus.
richwicks says
Egyptian living in Turkey. I wonder if you can find your commonalities rather than your differences?
PeopleUnited says
I am not much for religion. Religion will fail a person, but Jesus never will.
Rickwick, he's only looking for the differences and then, pushing that guy to submit to reconciliation via Christianity instead of giving him a choice which could include other faiths, aside from Islam (which we know is terroristic & a part of Arabic colonialism).
This person is little more than a typical fanatic. He has no 'Reality based' proof of anything he says and then, backs up that proof by quoting scripture. Any Tom, Dick, & Harry televangelist can do that.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 9:57pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 9:57pm
Rin says
No insult intended or implied. Simply acknowledging your own words,Rin says
When God was striving with Paul (then Saul of Tarsus who was killing Christians thinking it was a service to God) there was pain involved in coming to an understanding of the truth.
Rin says
What other option is there for someone who has screwed up?Rin says
But we can believe you about multiple lives, exorcism and psychic assaults?
Remember gaslighting is only a bad thing if the person doesn’t have a warped view of reality. And besides that using the term “gaslighting” is really just a way to demonize telling the truth to someone who believes a falsehood. Essentially you claimed I called you a liar, ( I did not) and then you responded by calling me a gas lighter which is certainly a disparaging remark. Am I therefore your enemy because I tell you the truth?
I truly believe that if you die without Christ you will regret it for eternity. The greatest gift you can therefore receive is forgiveness. And I would not wish you ill in any wise. That is why I took the time to share my faith with you.
Don't insult my intelligence
No insult intended or implied. Simply acknowledging your own words,Rin says
The fight will go on on the inner plane.
When God was striving with Paul (then Saul of Tarsus who was killing Christians thinking it was a service to God) there was pain involved in coming to an understanding of the truth.
Rin says
Understand, I don't believe in forgiveness
What other option is there for someone who has screwed up?Rin says
This person is little more than a typical fanatic. He has no 'Reality based' proof of anything he says
But we can believe you about multiple lives, exorcism and psychic assaults?
Remember gaslighting is only a bad thing if the person doesn’t have a warped view of reality. And besides that using the term “gaslighting” is really just a way to demonize telling the truth to someone who believes a falsehood. Essentially you claimed I called you a liar, ( I did not) and then you responded by calling me a gas lighter which is certainly a disparaging remark. Am I therefore your enemy because I tell you the truth?
I truly believe that if you die without Christ you will regret it for eternity. The greatest gift you can therefore receive is forgiveness. And I would not wish you ill in any wise. That is why I took the time to share my faith with you.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 10:59pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 10:59pm
By the way, I have not ever met one single person who truly, gave their life to Christ who ever regretted it for even one second.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 11:13pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 12, 11:13pm
God doesn’t think you are a waste of time. And I don’t either. Someday you may thank me. But know this, I truly do care for your soul.
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Rin
2022 Jun 13, 9:53am
Rin
2022 Jun 13, 9:53am
PeopleUnited says
Speaking of 'reality', Paul had a vision of Christ on the road to Damascus. The 13th disciple never met Jesus in person.
If anything, that's no more real than someone channeling an entity or performing "an exorcism" ... using your own words.
Where's the so-called science in your belief system, other than having the no of followers as some benchmark for success?
Gaslighting works in both directions.
Paul (then Saul of Tarsus who was killing Christians
Speaking of 'reality', Paul had a vision of Christ on the road to Damascus. The 13th disciple never met Jesus in person.
If anything, that's no more real than someone channeling an entity or performing "an exorcism" ... using your own words.
Where's the so-called science in your belief system, other than having the no of followers as some benchmark for success?
Gaslighting works in both directions.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 14, 1:54pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 14, 1:54pm
FYI I did not mark your comments as personal, but someone did. So obviously you overstepped the rules of decency on this site.
I believe you referred to exorcism, and I simply acknowledged your claimRin says
What is science? The observation of the world in order to understand laws of the universe.
Observation when repeated over and over again can lead to what is known as truth. But we still must believe and accept that the observations are valid, and we should reevaluate our truth if the observations start to point us in a new direction.
My observation is that the word of God is true. And everyone who truly receives these words in their heart, and practices them by faith is forever grateful and forever changed.
The more I observe the world around me and the Word of God, the more convinced I am that the Word of God created this world, and everything He says will happen (either has already, or soon will be fulfilled.) God is multidimensional so in His reality everything He said has actually already happened, we are just waiting to catch up with Him.
I believe you referred to exorcism, and I simply acknowledged your claimRin says
the fact that I've been involved in exorcising spirits from ppl
What is science? The observation of the world in order to understand laws of the universe.
Observation when repeated over and over again can lead to what is known as truth. But we still must believe and accept that the observations are valid, and we should reevaluate our truth if the observations start to point us in a new direction.
My observation is that the word of God is true. And everyone who truly receives these words in their heart, and practices them by faith is forever grateful and forever changed.
The more I observe the world around me and the Word of God, the more convinced I am that the Word of God created this world, and everything He says will happen (either has already, or soon will be fulfilled.) God is multidimensional so in His reality everything He said has actually already happened, we are just waiting to catch up with Him.
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Rin
2022 Jun 14, 2:17pm
Rin
2022 Jun 14, 2:17pm
PeopleUnited says
My observation is that you listen to a guy named Paul of Tarsus, who'd only seen Jesus as a vision during a collapse on the road to Damascus. Yes, Paul's existence was verified by historians and anthropologists.
And then you lecture me about 'reality' when in fact, you're also following someone else's delusions.
I know an exact person like that who reads every word written by an Alice Bailey who was in fact, alive in the 20th century (both England & New York areas) & spoke with "Grandmasters from some Shamballa", and speaks about it as if it were the cornerstone for the 21st century's awakening. And Alice's existence was verified as she's got an American granddaughter who's still alive right now. Yes, he corresponds with her.
I think Alice was delusional & that her so-called masters are like all the entities which ppl channel all the time.
In all honesty, I have no need for either of you.
My observation is that the word of God is true. And everyone who truly receives these words in their heart, and practices them by faith is forever grateful and forever changed.
The more I observe the world around me and the Word of God, the more convinced I am that the Word of God created this world, and everything He says will happen either has already, or soon will be fulfilled.
My observation is that you listen to a guy named Paul of Tarsus, who'd only seen Jesus as a vision during a collapse on the road to Damascus. Yes, Paul's existence was verified by historians and anthropologists.
And then you lecture me about 'reality' when in fact, you're also following someone else's delusions.
I know an exact person like that who reads every word written by an Alice Bailey who was in fact, alive in the 20th century (both England & New York areas) & spoke with "Grandmasters from some Shamballa", and speaks about it as if it were the cornerstone for the 21st century's awakening. And Alice's existence was verified as she's got an American granddaughter who's still alive right now. Yes, he corresponds with her.
I think Alice was delusional & that her so-called masters are like all the entities which ppl channel all the time.
In all honesty, I have no need for either of you.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 14, 9:30pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 14, 9:30pm
Your friend is a red herring. Painting with a broad brush to avoid facing the facts. There is nothing delusional about believing in coming back from the dead by your own “experience” so from my perspective once you are willing to accept that, you are already a man of faith.
The next step is simply defining and practicing your faith.
The next step is simply defining and practicing your faith.
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EBGuy
2022 Jun 20, 6:47pm
Christian Reformed Church codifies homosexual sex as sin in its declaration of faith
(RNS) — The Christian Reformed Church, a small evangelical denomination of U.S. and Canadian churches, voted Wednesday (June 15) at its annual synod to codify its opposition to homosexual sex by elevating it to the status of confession, or declaration of faith. The 123-53 vote at Calvin University in Grand Rapids, Michigan, caps a process begun in 2016 when a previous synod voted to form a study committee to bring a report on the “biblical theology” of sexuality. The vote, following a long day of debate, approves a list of what the denomination calls sexual immorality it won’t tolerate, including “adultery, premarital sex, extra-marital sex, polyamory, pornography and homosexual sex.” “The church must warn its members that those who refuse to repent of these sins — as well as of idolatry, greed, and other such sins — will not inherit the kingdom of God,” the report says. “It must discipline those who refuse to repent of such sins for the sake of their souls.”
(RNS) — The Christian Reformed Church, a small evangelical denomination of U.S. and Canadian churches, voted Wednesday (June 15) at its annual synod to codify its opposition to homosexual sex by elevating it to the status of confession, or declaration of faith. The 123-53 vote at Calvin University in Grand Rapids, Michigan, caps a process begun in 2016 when a previous synod voted to form a study committee to bring a report on the “biblical theology” of sexuality. The vote, following a long day of debate, approves a list of what the denomination calls sexual immorality it won’t tolerate, including “adultery, premarital sex, extra-marital sex, polyamory, pornography and homosexual sex.” “The church must warn its members that those who refuse to repent of these sins — as well as of idolatry, greed, and other such sins — will not inherit the kingdom of God,” the report says. “It must discipline those who refuse to repent of such sins for the sake of their souls.”
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EBGuy
2022 Jun 20, 7:14pm
More from the RSN article:
Wednesday’s synod actions will also have profound consequences for its flagship university, Calvin. In December, one-third of Calvin faculty signed a letter expressing concerns about the Human Sexuality Report, and some are now expected to leave. Faculty at Calvin University must sign a document saying their beliefs align with the historical creeds and confessions of the Christian Reformed Church.
It was not clear what the status of the document might be moving forward.
“Many people are polishing their CVs, starting to look at what else is out there and preparing themselves to leave,” said Kristin Kobes Du Mez, a professor of history at Calvin University and one of its star faculty.
Who is Kristin Kobes Du Mez?
From Cowboy Christianity: A Short Review of Du Mez’s Jesus and John Wayne
Kristin Du Mez’s Jesus and John Wayne has struck a chord with both Christians and non-Christians. It was featured on NPR’s Morning Edition and received social media recommendations from Beth Moore, Jemar Tisby, Karen Swallow Prior, and Duke Kwon. As a historian, Du Mez charts the rise of “militant white masculinity” (p. 4) among evangelicals in the 20th and early 21st centuries. Her conclusion is that “evangelical support for Trump [was] the culmination of evangelicals’ embrace of militant masculinity, an ideology that enshrines patriarchal authority and condones the callous display of power, at home and abroad” (p. 3). Because this review will be net negative, I’d like to begin with the positive aspects of the book, those which make it so compelling to so many people, including a large swath of conservative evangelicals.
Wednesday’s synod actions will also have profound consequences for its flagship university, Calvin. In December, one-third of Calvin faculty signed a letter expressing concerns about the Human Sexuality Report, and some are now expected to leave. Faculty at Calvin University must sign a document saying their beliefs align with the historical creeds and confessions of the Christian Reformed Church.
It was not clear what the status of the document might be moving forward.
“Many people are polishing their CVs, starting to look at what else is out there and preparing themselves to leave,” said Kristin Kobes Du Mez, a professor of history at Calvin University and one of its star faculty.
Who is Kristin Kobes Du Mez?
From Cowboy Christianity: A Short Review of Du Mez’s Jesus and John Wayne
Kristin Du Mez’s Jesus and John Wayne has struck a chord with both Christians and non-Christians. It was featured on NPR’s Morning Edition and received social media recommendations from Beth Moore, Jemar Tisby, Karen Swallow Prior, and Duke Kwon. As a historian, Du Mez charts the rise of “militant white masculinity” (p. 4) among evangelicals in the 20th and early 21st centuries. Her conclusion is that “evangelical support for Trump [was] the culmination of evangelicals’ embrace of militant masculinity, an ideology that enshrines patriarchal authority and condones the callous display of power, at home and abroad” (p. 3). Because this review will be net negative, I’d like to begin with the positive aspects of the book, those which make it so compelling to so many people, including a large swath of conservative evangelicals.
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Robber Baron Elite Scum
2022 Jun 21, 7:59am
Robber Baron Elite Scum
2022 Jun 21, 7:59am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Yes this is sexual abuse of kids and sexual suggesting them.
It is a low-key form of sexually grooming a child how you want them to be - it is a subtle hidden form of pedophilia and quite disgusting.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-churches-split-united-methodist-church-lgbtq
Just feels like our culture on it's last leg. Kids are being trannied and gayed in schools. Half the fucking America, at least half, is all into gaying the kids in the name of inclusivity. They are nuts, they are hurting the kids. And now even some churches starting to accept gay. If I remember history, that's the sign of the end.
Yes this is sexual abuse of kids and sexual suggesting them.
It is a low-key form of sexually grooming a child how you want them to be - it is a subtle hidden form of pedophilia and quite disgusting.
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RedStar
2022 Jun 21, 8:03am
RedStar
2022 Jun 21, 8:03am
Robber Baron Elite Scum says
I think the end goal is to mainstream pedophilia.
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-churches-split-united-methodist-church-lgbtq
Just feels like our culture on it's last leg. Kids are being trannied and gayed in schools. Half the fucking America, at least half, is all into gaying the kids in the name of inclusivity. They are nuts, they are hurting the kids. And now even some churches starting to accept gay. If I remember history, that's the sign of the end.
Yes this is sexual abuse of kids and sexual suggesting them.
It is a low-key form of sexually grooming a child how you want them to be - it is a subtle hidden form of pedophilia and quite disgusting.
I think the end goal is to mainstream pedophilia.
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Patrick
2022 Jul 7, 9:31pm
Patrick
2022 Jul 7, 9:31pm
RedStar says
Pedophilia is how gay men reproduce gayness in the next generation. So that would explain part of it.
But also, now that it's abundantly clear that the oligarchy is chock full of pedophiles (thanks Epstein!) maybe they also want to normalize it to make what they have done not seem like the heinous crime it really is.
I think the end goal is to mainstream pedophilia.
Pedophilia is how gay men reproduce gayness in the next generation. So that would explain part of it.
But also, now that it's abundantly clear that the oligarchy is chock full of pedophiles (thanks Epstein!) maybe they also want to normalize it to make what they have done not seem like the heinous crime it really is.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Aug 20, 6:42pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Aug 20, 6:42pm
My parents left their church of nine years because the church secretary's son was allowed to cross-dress and work in the children's church. They did meet with leadership to express their concern before leaving.
I encouraged them to inform any parents who weren't yet aware, so they wouldn't be blind-sided, and consider reporting this to the denominational leadership. Not to cause trouble, but to try and help the church come back into alignment with God.
Conversely, at the church we recently started attending, the pastor used part of his sermon last Sunday to say men and women cannot change their sex, and two males marrying is not natural. There's stuff I don't agree with at this church, but felt good to hear them affirm they will not be joining in the slide to perversion.
I encouraged them to inform any parents who weren't yet aware, so they wouldn't be blind-sided, and consider reporting this to the denominational leadership. Not to cause trouble, but to try and help the church come back into alignment with God.
Conversely, at the church we recently started attending, the pastor used part of his sermon last Sunday to say men and women cannot change their sex, and two males marrying is not natural. There's stuff I don't agree with at this church, but felt good to hear them affirm they will not be joining in the slide to perversion.
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Patrick
2024 Mar 6, 11:58am
Patrick
2024 Mar 6, 11:58am
https://notthebee.com/article/united-methodist-church-slashes-budget-after-mass-exodus-of-conservative-congregations
United Methodist Church slashes budget to smallest in 40 years after mass exodus from denomination ...
Maybe this inevitable divine judgment for abusing the Word of God will serve as a warning for other churches that are scrambling to inject the woke gospel of Satan into their teachings.
Pride goeth before the fall.
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AmericanKulak
2024 Mar 6, 11:59am
AmericanKulak
2024 Mar 6, 11:59am
UMC Methodist spreading the Love...
He loves his Oppressed LGBTQ+CIA123, his Illegals, and the Fakestines, and hates the Zioppressor.
He loves his Oppressed LGBTQ+CIA123, his Illegals, and the Fakestines, and hates the Zioppressor.
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Just feels like our culture on it's last leg. Kids are being trannied and gayed in schools. Half the fucking America, at least half, is all into gaying the kids in the name of inclusivity. They are nuts, they are hurting the kids. And now even some churches starting to accept gay. If I remember history, that's the sign of the end.