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Bd6r says

Then again, more CO2 means greener Earth and it is demonstrably better for plant life.

All things being equal, CO2 enrichment will only accelerate growth to the limits of some other factor, and if CO2 isn't the primary limiting factor for a given plant in a given microclimate, it won't help and may make the plant suffer, as from chlorosis if iron or magnesium isn't locally bioavailable. CO2 has been well known to "the left" for 30 years as clandestine pot growers developed the technology and technique. The optimum CO2 concentration for "ideal" plant growth is therefore well documented in actual practice, and it's nowhere near a desirable atmospheric level for the entire planet and everything in the biosphere, to say nothing of the warming that would occur should we reach a fraction of this amount.

"Higher CO2 helps plant growth, so it's not a flaw it's a feature for the environment" is a red herring whose only utility is distraction and propaganda in the discussion of fossil fuels and atmospheric CO2 levels. IOW it's not a desirable goal or an actionable idea, just an excuse for people who don't care anyway to cite as a thought terminating cliche.

Bd6r says

We should question everything in science

^.. This!

Also, climate science is political science, not real science. It's the shittiest science we have (surpassed recently by covid science).

Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be better off with more reservoirs has a hole in their head. In the 60s-70s my grandfather was parceling land in the Sierras in retirement. Taking large tracks, breaking them up into 20 acres, bringing in power, utilities and then selling them off for the owners. His pay? He took land.

He had amassed a large chunk of Sierra and was sooo close to getting a dam approved to create a new reservoir near Sacramento but the fucking hippies blocked it. It would have been much larger than the nearby Fulton reservoir. I'd be fucking rich right now and we'd have lots more water.

More recently a stats grad I worked with from San Diego State University told me:

1. My environmental science professor said, "Reservoirs are stupid!".
2. Gender is fluid (she's gay)

Now pension and hedge funds need to get approval from fucking hippies (ESG) in order to invest in things. We're fucked!

Yes, we dump a shit load of water into the ocean and yes, most of the water usage in the state isn't used by home owners who are now by law not supposed to use more than 55 gallons of water per day per household - might be per person but I'm pretty sure household. Even in non-drought years:

https://patch.com/california/sanbruno/coming-limit-50-gallons-water-person-day

Fucking insane.

There is NO refilling aquafers in CA they aren't limestone like in some places. They are more like a squashed grapefruit, they ain't coming back.

Automan Empire says

All things being equal, CO2 enrichment will only accelerate growth to the limits of some other factor, and if CO2 isn't the primary limiting factor for a given plant in a given microclimate, it won't help and may make the plant suffer, as from chlorosis if iron or magnesium isn't locally bioavailable. CO2 has been well known to "the left" for 30 years as clandestine pot growers developed the technology and technique. The optimum CO2 concentration for "ideal" plant growth is therefore well documented in actual practice, and it's nowhere near a desirable atmospheric level for the entire planet and everything in the biosphere, to say nothing of the warming that would occur should we reach a fraction of this amount.

It is a fact that current increased CO2 levels have resulted in a greener earth aka greater mass of plants. If you care, i can track down the peer-reviewed article. Its not fantasy or modelling by any stretch of imagination, it if I recall correctly comes from satellite observation data.

mell says

Well because of Fukushima and chernobyl. Of course the degree of environmental and health impact of both has been debated and there is no clear conclusion.

There is a hard number of deaths per produced unit of energy. Nuclear fares pretty well, so opposition is unscientific.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/3ug7ju/deaths_per_pwh_electricity_produced_by_energy/?source=patrick.net

The old school scientists (many dead) who came up with this stuff weren't climate alarmists. There are some, I forget the oldsters name, University of Stockholm that track ocean levels - the water is not rising any faster than it has in a long long time.

just_passing_through says

Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be better off with more reservoirs has a hole in their head.

My argument isn't that we wouldn't be better off without more reservoirs, or that none should be built. The argument is that "more reservoirs" is not the panacea proponents seem to think, and the reasons include less "hippies blocking them" and more "cost benefit analysis" and "total watershed volume" in the big picture.

Americans have already reached 100% draw from one MAJOR river system, and many others already struggle to balance agricultural and municipal needs with ecological and environmental needs. It's not an acceptable solution to draw down EVERY river on the planet to meet human needs, regardless of the externalized costs of this.

The real reckoning here, is the stark reality that the more humans we collectively breed, the more Earth's finite resources must get divided up. You're living the historic moment when a commodity you assume is your right and available in limitless abundance, is strained to the point where there's less than you want available as your "share." There is plenty of historical precedent actually. The ancient Egyptians and Mayans expanded then faced a crisis on an unsustainable hydraulic economy bubble.

Bd6r says

mell says

Well because of Fukushima and chernobyl. Of course the degree of environmental and health impact of both has been debated and there is no clear conclusion.

There is a hard number of deaths per produced unit of energy. Nuclear fares pretty well, so opposition is unscientific.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/3ug7ju/deaths_per_pwh_electricity_produced_by_energy/?source=patrick.net

I don't think that number is very reliable, it's extremely hard to estimate deaths from radiation (and there's even the theory of hormesis where radiation up to a certain point, higher than many think, is beneficial). I do think though that it fares well as well compared to many other forms of energy, however the events are very localized (esp. when carastrophic), so you will see opposition, the more the closer to the reactors people live. People taking that extra - albeit small - risk by living close by should get cheaper rates perhaps (not sure of they do already).

Automan Empire says

My argument isn't that we wouldn't be better off without more reservoirs

I was not referencing you specifically. I see your point about population but I disagree with it entirely. Population time series isn't a pyramid anymore it's becoming a cylinder and will stop expanding soon by most measures.

You could argue CA/dry climate/etc., and I'd agree with you on that but we are nowhere near where we could be and the state has natural population filters like high prices and communist totalitarian politicians.

Automan Empire says

GLOBAL COOLING AND ACID RAIN ARE NOT ENVIRONMENTAL HOAXES

No idea about acid rain, but definitely agree on global cooling. Data I've seen shows we are in a long-term cooling trend, combined with the lack of solar activity. Explains why I'm always so fucking cold despite living in SoCal.

My problem with environmentalists is real simple. They seem to gravitate toward complaining about problems too big for them to solve. I have no time for whiners who won't take personal responsibility. I have actively supported a cleaner planet through preventative health that means I don't spend on industrialized food, one of the worst sources of human pollution I'm aware of. I try to buy things that last, or repair things that break. I use organic products when I garden. I feed my dogs food that's so good, their waste is usually eaten before I can pick it up by insects. That's right, my dogs shit is recyclable. I rented several places with dirt for a yard, and brought the grass back just by watering and mowing. No synthetic fertilizers, no poisonous weed killers. I don't preach to others or wait on government, I make my planet cleaner and safer every day. When I meet an "environmentalist" who does as much as I do, then I'll listen.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/earth-was-once-venus-like-before

earth was once "venus like" before climate change
as is so often the case, the WEF has their story wrong way 'round



“Results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect, said co-author Ranga Myneni, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Boston University. “The second most important driver is nitrogen, at 9 percent. So we see what an outsized role CO2 plays in this process.”

and current levels are, by past standards, very low at about 420 parts per million.

Just think how green the earth will get when the NWO turns 7.5 billion people into fertilizer.

Hey @Patrick - you ever believe this bullshit about Global Warming?

I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".

I do think that CO2 is increasing, and that the world is warming a bit. I'm not entirely sure the two are connected, and even less sure that they are bad things.

They seem to have some large positive effects, like more vigorous plant growth and more arable land in Canada and Russia.

And CO2 falling below the recent historically low levels would be exceptionally bad for plant growth. Maybe fossil fuels are actually doing the world a lot of good.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1537571285714104321

Italian motorists dealing with global warming crazies. Bravo 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

richwicks says

Hey @Patrick - you ever believe this bullshit about Global Warming?

I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".

Feeble-minded in your 30s == feeble-minded forever.

Yes, I assumed it was true, back before the mass bribery and intimidation of doctors in order to inject people with the toxxine for the profits of Pfizer.

Now I don't trust any science at all unless it is very clear to me.

Now I think CO2 levels have been rising due to the burning of fossil fuels, but that's a good thing, getting us away from the danger zone of not enough CO2 in the atmosphere. There is a small rise in temperatures but again, that's a good thing, increasing arable land and making it easier to ship through the arctic.

I'm pretty sure the mass fires in the summer before the flagrantly fraudulent election of 2020 were a combination of deliberately set fires to increase public unease, and the lack of fires in the past, which resulted in the accumulation of large amounts of forest litter.

I can see that control over energy is pretty much control over everything, so for the global oligarchy to have complete control over us, they need to be the gatekeepers to energy use.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Hey @Patrick - you ever believe this bullshit about Global Warming?

I did, until about 15 years ago. My 20 year old self would be screaming at me questioning how I became a "science denier".

Feeble-minded in your 30s == feeble-minded forever.

You equate being incorrect, and being able to recognize that, as "feeble mindedness".

I am an engineer. I know people in my field who will never admit error and continue making the same errors because their ego is so fragile and they are so dependent upon it, they can never admit they are wrong. These people, are dangerously stupid people, and they never improve.

If you cannot admit error at 30, or especially at 50, or later, you have the mentality of a child. It's essential to be able to think and reason and admit error to attain wisdom. You call this "feeble mindedness".

Good thread over on Anthony Watts site here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/28/media-claims-co2-traps-heat-a-big-lie-or-a-big-stupid/

The left & progressives have their marching orders to wail non-stop about SCOTUS and abortion, but getting surprisingly little attention is the ruling about the EPA:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-the-supreme-courts-epa-ruling-means-for-the-climate-change-fight

The 6-3 ruling declared that the Clean Air Act does not give the Environmental Protection Agency broad authority to regulate emissions from plants that contribute to global warming. ... “A decision of such magnitude and consequence rests with Congress itself, or an agency acting pursuant to a clear delegation from that representative body.” ... The decision also could have a broader effect on other agencies’ regulatory efforts, from education to transportation and food.

This is a huge setback for Democrats and the deep state, who have the habit of massively overstretching the rulemaking authority of various federal rulemaking departments.

Patrick says

Yes, I assumed it was true, back before the mass bribery and intimidation of doctors in order to inject people with the toxxine for the profits of Pfizer.

I always took the prediction of global warming with a grain of salt. When I was a kid the climatologist were screaming about the coming ice age and then nuclear winter.

I have been sailing for over 30 years and am always checking the weather conditions. It's hard to get the forecast right for the next 24 hours much less the climate for the next century.

I know, I am confusing weather with climate.

But they are similar in being multivariable chaotic systems with MANY of the variables quite unpredictable.

https://notthebee.com/article/the-dutch-government-just-shut-down-dozens-of-farms-for-the-climate-cult-and-the-farmers-werent-happy

Dutch farmers attack government vans, block roadways, spray police with manure after authorities shut down dozens of family farms for the Climate Cult

In case you were wondering why America has the Second Amendment, here's lesson #8,912 ...

It's horrible. These men have families to feed. Their food is sorely needed for the nation as the supply chain dries up. Their farms are likely multi-generational. There is zero threat to the planet by them raising cattle and growing crops.

It doesn't matter. The government has spoken, their homes and livelihoods are now destroyed, and the Religion of the State™ marches on.

Here's few more spicy videos, including one where farmers spray government buildings with manure.

Interesting idea: cattle can prevent or reverse desertification:

https://www.hennessysview.com/p/what-climate-scientists-arent-telling-you-about-global-warming

The Solution to Desertification Is What’s For Dinner
The answer is beef.

Savory and his team have reversed desertification over 15 million hectares by introducing herds of cattle and sheep to deserts.

The process is simple. It works exactly as nature planned—before pointy-headed scientists decided they knew more about nature than nature.

Reversing Desertification Feed The Hungry, Too
In most of the world, only animals can feed the human population. The environment will not support enough plant-based nutrition no matter what you do.

But herds of animals can live off the land, and feed the people.

Was over 90 last half of June. Global warming are you finally here..? I've been waiting for you sooo long..

https://nitter.net/TheLaurenChen/status/1543247321722486784#m

Lauren Chen
@TheLaurenChen
1h
Crippling your own food supply and economy to limit emissions is the dumbest thing I've ever heard

It's also the predictable end result of the green agenda

RadioGenova
@RadioGenova
Jul 1
After politicians' decision to close dozens of farms and cattle ranches to reduce nitrogen to comply with absurd EU regulations on nitrogen pollution, the angry Dutch farmers have issued an ultimatum threatening to block the country's airports, ports and distribution centers.

Global warming = Climate Change = the sun. Solution...we opened up all the doors to our houses and run the AC full blast and we will cool the earth and we are good. Simple, right?

Nobody mentions how big of a variable the sun is with sunspots and solar flares when they talk climate change. It's hard to take them seriously.

https://www.sott.net/article/420049-NASA-admits-climate-change-occurs-because-of-changes-in-Earths-solar-orbit-not-because-of-SUVs-and-fossil-fuels

Interesting.

Patrick says

@Patrick - For FUCKS sake, when discussing Clown World - SOURCE and ARCHIVE:

Source: https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-now-adding-global-warming
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-now-adding-global-warming

Not to beat on you, but RECORD HISTORY. If you don't do this, in 5 years, you're going to be questioning yourself "did that really happen? Did somebody REALLY say that?"

Trust me. The reason I'm so obsessive about recording history, is that I've been there.

Here want to question reality for a second?

https://archive.ph/hMt0W#selection-2347.225-2363.145

Read the article.

If this was the 1970's, I would be that crazy person with a giant poster on my wall, a bunch of pictures held up by thumbtacks, and string connecting them all together, with a mound of newspapers referenced and tagged filling an entire room. Thank god it's the modern age. I can hide my insanity for the most part now.

https://notthebee.com/article/the-mob-is-out-for-blood-after-learning-that-kylie-jenner-uses-her-private-jet-for-3-minute-flights-to-avoid-traffic

The mob is out for blood after learning Kylie Jenner uses her private jet for 3-minute flights to avoid traffic

What will an uber-wokie do when the other wokies are after her for not being woke enough?

If I could make a prediction, it would be that Kylie is going to join the ranks of climate experts to absolve her sins in very short order (and become even more obscenely rich by doing so)!

https://gettr.com/post/p1jhdqh0b1b

Arnie1974
@Arnie1974
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20h
Nobel Laureate Al Gore Predicted That The Arctic Would Be Ice-Free On 2014

In 2007, former US Vice-President and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Al Gore warned that there was a 75% chance that the entire arctic ice cap would be gone by 2014.

Same old propaganda...

Has video of Gore making foolish predictions.

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/spontaneously-combusting-narratives

In the early 20th century before forest management studies settled into higher education, North American forests would burn in the tens of millions of acres each year. This hasn’t happened in any single year since 1952. In the past decade, there have been two years that barely reached the 10 million acre threshold, after nearly six decades of stable and historically very low burn acreage. Average burn acreage per year is still below the ten-year average and 90% less than 90 years ago. In the preindustrial period of 1500-1800, it’s estimated that the continental United States saw 145 million acres burned annually. You wouldn’t believe any of this of course based on recent media hysteria around fires, heat, and anything generally associated with what we used to call the season of summer.




Today wildfires don’t require a lighting bolt or a significant drought, only complete forest mismanagement and neglect and some psychological groundwork by the corporate state and its mind virus injectors in the media to create hysteria around warmer than usual weather. Though it does help to have the zippo of some crazed climate nut with a political agenda posing as a college professor.

Australia suffering worst cold weather streak in decades. Manbearpig! Manbearpig

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/spontaneously-combusting-narratives

Fear can spontaneously combust any mind to believe any narrative that will be used to spread more fear throughout a social body, including the narrative that fires just start themselves if things get too warm in summer. The heatwave that just swept through western Europe was the perfect opportunity to throw kindling on the decades-long psychological operation known as “climate change”. Apparently, homes in parts of England just burned down due to one afternoon of 1-degree Celsius above record high temperatures, yet with no extended drought or hot and dry period like they had in the record summer of 1976. Compare that summer in England to this latest heat wave.

1976

63 days of consecutive sunshine

Every day over 26C (79F)

15 days 35C+ (95F) and 9 days 32C+

45 days NO rain

Standpipes got continuous water (public water)

No red weather warning

2022

7 days sunshine

3 days 35C+

Red weather warning: “You’re all going to die!”

Fires that are started by arsonists and burn hundreds of thousands of acres start out as “climate fires” and later get buried by the media. These are fires that the media blames on global warming and summer weather until fire investigators determine it was started by arson, and then like hard-working firefighters on the front lines vigorously digging trench lines, the media will dig their own holes and bury their own false narratives without any corrections or retractions. Anything that can be blamed on global warming is amplified and never corrected.

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/the-mob-is-out-for-blood-after-learning-that-kylie-jenner-uses-her-private-jet-for-3-minute-flights-to-avoid-traffic

The mob is out for blood after learning Kylie Jenner uses her private jet for 3-minute flights to avoid traffic

What will an uber-wokie do when the other wokies are after her for not being woke enough?

I call bullshit on this story.

You need clearance for a flight plan, you need a landing strip, you need a pilot, and when you get to your "destination" that isn't your actual destination.

I can't imagine a scenario where it would be more convenient to fly 40 miles than be driven there. Want to get there in luxury? Buy a bus, customize the interior with anything, and hire a driver to drive you where ever. Flying on a private plane really isn't that comfortable either.