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The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) of the US will require people to submit a facial scan through a third party provider to make payments or file taxes online.

No problem: I'll send paper forms and a paper check via USPS. It'll be harder for them to process, but they are asking for it.

This is going to lead to a lot of dick and butthole selfys being sent to the IRS.

Eric Holder says

No problem: I'll send paper forms and a paper check via USPS. It'll be harder for them to process, but they are asking for it.

You have a passport or drivers license? IRS has your face already if they want it. Especially with the passport.

They can already scan your face and product you pick up in a store and link it to a credit card and charge you. Masks for Covid are the biggest blessing for privacy in an odd way (I can't stand them). The facial recognition tech is moving faster than I even predicted in previous comments.

Remember, these are nerds thinking of developing something and not understanding the future consequences. Not calling developers and programmers all nerds, but the few I know are very naive about what they're really doing. The idea guys tell them what they want, they make it, and they just created a monster potentially privacy wise for the world.

WookieMan says

Eric Holder says

No problem: I'll send paper forms and a paper check via USPS. It'll be harder for them to process, but they are asking for it.

You have a passport or drivers license? IRS has your face already if they want it. Especially with the passport.

That's fine. But I'm not jumping through no additional hoops with "selfies" and bullshit like that if I can help it. Printer ink is cheap and postage is $1.

Been filing paper forever, not planning on changing it

WookieMan says

Eric Holder says

No problem: I'll send paper forms and a paper check via USPS. It'll be harder for them to process, but they are asking for it.

You have a passport or drivers license? IRS has your face already if they want it. Especially with the passport.

One low-res passport picture every 10 years is far from an adequate data set for reliable face recognition. A "video selfie" taken every year is tons more useable for that.

Next time you goto a Walmart and goto Self checkout, they have your face when you face the screen...
they started doing this in 2020, and I believe all Walmart Neighborhood marketplace stores have self checkout... so this is ongoing... we have allready been screwed, glued and tattooed....Just have to deal with the bullshit...
As a side note
Cryptocurrency brokers have KYC (know your customer) in force since 2019... if you want to deal with crypto in the legal world... then they have your id.
This should... and will create a underground community of crypto users and shakers... the way it used to be... and they will rise up to circumvent this goverment nonsense... live long and prosper.
Government cannot stop illegal activity using cash... just like the 70's war on drugs...money laundering will never go away. they may say they are making progress, but big brother will have to be even bigger... and big government is the last thing we need.

To get a RealID in California (a couple of years ago) I had to sign up with ID.me
Wonder if they're already linked into the CA DMV database?

EBGuy says

To get a RealID in California (a couple of years ago) I had to sign up with ID.me
Wonder if they're already linked into the CA DMV database?

I didn't have to do that. But it was couple of years ago and I went in person.

WookieMan says

Remember, these are nerds thinking of developing something and not understanding the future consequences. Not calling developers and programmers all nerds, but the few I know are very naive about what they're really doing. The idea guys tell them what they want, they make it, and they just created a monster potentially privacy wise for the world.

Yes, that's how they are. I know them. I am one of them, or at least I used to be.

This is a little bit over-hyped as far as immediate consequences, but the future ramifications should definitely not be overlooked. They use the same system for California unemployment. I just faxed in my paperwork, as I will never use a system that requires such invasive techniques.

EBGuy says

To get a RealID in California (a couple of years ago) I had to sign up with ID.me
Wonder if they're already linked into the CA DMV database?

RealID is a federal program, so yes. And you are aware the purpose it to get everyone to carry around ID's with RFID's in them right? I hope you are using some kind of metal sleeve to store that in.

seesaw says

Next time you goto a Walmart and goto Self checkout, they have your face when you face the screen...
they started doing this in 2020

Cameras in stores have been around way longer than that. You think those are closed systems? Unless it's a mom & pop operation, it's safe to assume any store with cameras is feeding that data back to the net.

WookieMan says

They can already scan your face and product you pick up in a store and link it to a credit card and charge you.

And if you don't pay with a card?

WookieMan says

Masks for Covid are the biggest blessing for privacy in an odd way (I can't stand them).

There are many other ways to hide your identity that have been around for far longer. Grow a beard, sunglasses, hats, car visors, only go to places with cameras at night, live someplace with no cameras. The list is endless. If you want privacy you can achieve it, most people just aren't willing to put in the work, so they prefer the cop-out that it's not achievable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10457833/Lawmakers-decry-IRS-plans-force-Americans-submit-face-scanning-technology.html?source=patrick.net

'This is a very, very bad idea’: Lawmakers decry IRS plans to force Americans to submit to face-scanning technology to be able to access their own taxes
The $86 million partnership between the Internal Revenue Service and private contractor ID.me, which was announced in November
The measure has been met with criticism from lawmakers, who argue that the use of the software is intrusive and a violation of privacy
'This is a [bad] idea by the IRS. It will further weaken Americans' privacy. And facial recognition is less accurate for darker skin individuals,' RepTed Lieu said
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden said on Twitter that he was 'very disturbed' by the prospect of taxpayers submitting to facial recognition
The American Civil Liberties Union called the ID.me facial recognition technology 'biased' and 'glitchy'
A US Treasury official said on Friday that Treasury and IRS are looking into alternatives to ID.me

The ACLU is one of the instruments of suppressing civil liberties now, so of course all they care about is "bias" and whether privacy-invading facial recognition works well enough to suppress enemies of the oligarchy which funds the ACLU.

https://reclaimthenet.org/new-orleans-city-council-facial-recognition-technology/

Various US cities are pushing for the introduction of public facial recognition technology

HunterTits says

Users will have to submit private documents, their social security number, credit history, and even a facial scan to a third party to get their information online.

This is true I had a giant ass refund and they wouldn't give it to me until I did the face scan. Fuckers.

I just returned to the USA from a time in Baja California Sur Mexico.
At Dallas Fort Worth airport I went to passport control.
They have a spot you stand on and the agent has a camera scanning your face although he held my passport.
“Welcome back Clambo.” as he handed me my passport.
All of this is because we have open borders, all sorts of “refugee” and other bullshit visas for totally fucked countries (TFCs).
Sometime I will post about all of the sneaky things foreigners do to stay in the USA.

clambo says

They have a spot you stand on and the agent has a camera scanning your face although he held my passport.

They do this in Chicago when you fly in from the UK as well. Although I had to step up to a machine.

just_passing_through says

This is true I had a giant ass refund and they wouldn't give it to me until I did the face scan. Fuckers.

Didn't have any problem getting my refund check mailed to me.

NuttBoxer says

Didn't have any problem getting my refund check mailed to me.

Maybe your refund was not giant-assed enough. Might be they want a face scan for above $25k or so.

I think it's about online stuff. I always fill out paper tax forms and mail them. WTF would I make it easier for the IRS? They want my money, they'll have to spend the resources to obtain it - no robots, real people need to read and key input the paper info.

stereotomy says

I think it's about online stuff. I always fill out paper tax forms and mail them. WTF would I make it easier for the IRS? They want my money, they'll have to spend the resources to obtain it - no robots, real people need to read and key input the paper info.

Same

https://notthebee.com/article/its-here-a-mom-was-just-kicked-out-of-madison-square-garden-because-facial-recognition-identified-her-as-an-employee-of-a-company-suing-the-gardens-parent-company

Protip: Don't do it, and just wait for it to be declared unconstitutional and or the practice discontinued.
Get your IRS payment plus the interest. With Biden inflation that interest might get pretty big by then.

NuttBoxer says

Grow a beard, sunglasses, hats, car visors, only go to places with cameras at night, live someplace with no cameras. The list is endless. If you want privacy you can achieve it, most people just aren't willing to put in the work, so they prefer the cop-out that it's not achievable.

I've heard that the technology is getting to the point that they can ID you from the way you walk. I have no idea if that's true. I've personally conceded that they can probably recreate most of my life from cameras and digital footprint at this point.

stereotomy says

I think it's about online stuff. I always fill out paper tax forms and mail them. WTF would I make it easier for the IRS? They want my money, they'll have to spend the resources to obtain it - no robots, real people need to read and key input the paper info.

I doubt they do that manually anymore: OCR software is pretty capable nowadays. So you are not making their life that much harder, if at all.

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says

I think it's about online stuff. I always fill out paper tax forms and mail them. WTF would I make it easier for the IRS? They want my money, they'll have to spend the resources to obtain it - no robots, real people need to read and key input the paper info.

I doubt they do that manually anymore: OCR software is pretty capable nowadays. So you are not making their life that much harder, if at all.

I'm making it as hard on them as physically possible, with the exception of filing amended returns every year, which definitely are hand-reviewed. If, as you baselessly claim, that paper forms are no big deal, then yes, I will now file amended returns so that I can burn the eyeballs of IRS goons before they can get my money.

DhammaStep says

NuttBoxer says

Grow a beard, sunglasses, hats, car visors, only go to places with cameras at night, live someplace with no cameras. The list is endless. If you want privacy you can achieve it, most people just aren't willing to put in the work, so they prefer the cop-out that it's not achievable.

I've heard that the technology is getting to the point that they can ID you from the way you walk. I have no idea if that's true. I've personally conceded that they can probably recreate most of my life from cameras and digital footprint at this point.

Yes, it's true. And they will soon be able to track your cash purchases unless it's peer to peer. So even cash at a super market will be traceable if you pulled it from an ATM. ATM's of big banks already track the numbers on the bills that get dispensed. They'll then scan the bills with the armored truck company and know where you purchased stuff.

I don't think people realize how they can't avoid this. Vegas casinos have had facial recognition for almost 2 decades. It was a playground to test privacy since it was a vice, cash as well. Government now has better tech than you can imagine. We have missiles that can be launched from under water and land within 3 feet of a target. Camera and facial/movement recognition are already happening.

If you have a job/file taxes, SS#, registered vehicle and a drivers license you're done from the word go. Privacy be damned. Almost everyone has this stuff.

stereotomy says

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says

I think it's about online stuff. I always fill out paper tax forms and mail them. WTF would I make it easier for the IRS? They want my money, they'll have to spend the resources to obtain it - no robots, real people need to read and key input the paper info.

I doubt they do that manually anymore: OCR software is pretty capable nowadays. So you are not making their life that much harder, if at all.

I'm making it as hard on them as physically possible, with the exception of filing amended returns every year, which definitely are hand-reviewed. If, as you baselessly claim, that paper forms are no big deal, then yes, I will now file amended returns so that I can burn the eyeballs of IRS goons before they can get my money.

They may be hand-reviewed at some point, but not by pouring over your hand-filled forms: the shit gets OCRd and pulled into the system. Maybe if it's flagged for some reason somebody might look at the actual paper, but I doubt it happens often. You'll probably have to drag them to court to force them to do that.

But there is nothing wrong with believing that there is a dedicated IRS agent wearing protective sleeves and green visor squinting at your chicken scratch, popping Aspirins and grunting in agony if it makes paying taxes more bearable. =))

stereotomy says

I doubt they do that manually anymore: OCR software is pretty capable nowadays. So you are not making their life that much harder, if at all.

I'm making it as hard on them as physically possible, with the exception of filing amended returns every year, which definitely are hand-reviewed. If, as you baselessly claim, that paper forms are no big deal, then yes, I will now file amended returns so that I can burn the eyeballs of IRS goons before they can get my money.

Eric Holder is correct. It's all scanned and digitized even if hand written. If it's not legible you're just going to have to do your taxes a 2nd or 3rd time depending on how long you want to play. Not saying I think the process is right, I just don't want my home liened by the IRS or go to jail over something that is pretty easy for 70% of people. Get one of the services that lock your SS# if that's the concern.

Mind you I don't think the IRS should exist. But it does. I prefer having my personal time and not worrying about it. All you're doing by making their job harder is bleeding yourself and other tax payers when they hire more people to handle tax filings. You lose time having to clarify or redo taxes. That's a lose lose proposition. No change will occur and if anything you'll be flagged and audited in the future.

Again, I don't like it, but sometimes you just play the game.

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says

I think it's about online stuff. I always fill out paper tax forms and mail them. WTF would I make it easier for the IRS? They want my money, they'll have to spend the resources to obtain it - no robots, real people need to read and key input the paper info.

I doubt they do that manually anymore: OCR software is pretty capable nowadays. So you are not making their life that much harder, if at all.

I'm making it as hard on them as physically possible, with the exception of filing amended returns every year, which definitely are hand-reviewed. If, as you baselessly claim, that paper forms are no big deal, then yes, I will now fi...

As late as 2020, I had a hand-written and reviewed amended return submitted back to me - in ballpoint pen. Believe what you like, but I personally observed the reality, whether you like it or not. Perhaps in 2023, I'll have IRS agents with outlawed assault weapons interview me at my doorstep. It's about as unlikely as what you have so far baselessly claimed. Stick to your Ukraine propaganda.

DhammaStep says

I've heard that the technology is getting to the point that they can ID you from the way you walk. I have no idea if that's true. I've personally conceded that they can probably recreate most of my life from cameras and digital footprint at this point.

For sure. But I've never heard of that getting employed outside of terrorists and bank robbers.

WookieMan says

If you have a job/file taxes, SS#, registered vehicle and a drivers license you're done from the word go. Privacy be damned. Almost everyone has this stuff.

You guys know I live in a small town. I didn't realize they had put up a new no parking sign and got ticketed. In retaliation I took down the sign. But not before CHP almost caught me. So sheriff comes to the complex, but all they know is the person who did it owns my car. It's registered in Arizona. So they hang out in the parking lot for half hour asking people and end up leaving with their dicks in their hands.

I have all the stuff you listed, but it all ties to different locations, and NONE of it ties to where I actually live. You have as much privacy as you want, there's always a choice.

I always file for payment in check, trying to owe, but still ended up getting just under $200 this year. Check came within a few weeks of filing. Fuck facial recognition, you don't even have to give them your bank info.

https://merylnass.substack.com/p/3-items-of-interest

But never for voting or dropping off mass amounts of mail-in ballots.

OpenAI guy just pushed a global ID/coin that requires biometrics. Stop building the bars before they finish the lock and seal us all in.