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Nobody better steal it.

I'm out! Currently in Tucson. Interestingly I didn't see any signs saying, "Now leaving California", on my way out. My car just told me, "Welcome to Arizona!".

Maybe they don't want to advertise. Taxes are swapped in ADP to Texas as of today with my gig in SF. That means none lolol.

I'll be looking up @Bd6r at some point soonish but it'll take me a few month minimum to get settled in Texas.

So glad to have finally passed through after 25 years. The last 12-13 felt like chronic constipation. First the bay area went to hell and I moved to San Diego 10 years ago. Shit's going downhill in SD after the elections were all stolen in SoCal in 2018 - the warmup for the bigger steal.

I'm in some dank cig smelling super-8 motel because I have so much crap in my car I didn't want to drag through a lobby. It's pointless to shower before morning. But soooo happy!

Strategist says

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Strategist says

I look at the BA and California from a different point of view. The BA is actually the cheapest place to purchase a home in all of America. Where can you get 6%+ appreciation, at a cost of 4% for the loan. You are actually getting paid to live there. :)

You get the 6% appreciation maybe for a 10 year max boom cycle (if you're lucky), but the mortgage at 4% interest is usually 30 years. The time to get out is near. Take a look how fast prices and rents crashed in 2008, there wasn't much time to react. Watch the venture money, once it starts drying up get the hell out of dodge. The cracks are already visible.

Honestly, all I see is a very bright future in the next 20 years. We will have:

A long period of g...

Eeesh…I liked Strategist a lot and wish he was still here(maybe is?), but dear God was this prediction off.

Of course who knew in such short time Soros would get a slew of leftist dictatorial DA’s and local politicians who would let homelessness go unabated and crimes go unpunished.

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ZipperTits says

Won't stop the infiltration of woke bullshit like Z tits teacher abs worse. Those schools will only slow it down.

Yeah, I guess the Asian moms will tolerate this as long as their expectations on academic standards are being met, such as helping their children to ultimately score high on tests like the ACT or SAT.

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Everyone at this point should be looking to home school their children and socialize them through church or well screened local social childrens groups, sports, etc.

If I was starting out now, I’d work two years professionally while living with my parents and save every damn penny and move out of state with my two years experience. Top locations; Nevada(only if I could get a govt job), Texas, North Carolina, Tennesse, Florida.

I’d love South Carolina I think but not confident in the job market. I think Texas or Tennessee would be most likely. I’d want someplace where I could meet a more traditional minded woman to marry(took me a couple decades to find in LA) and an income that could support us with only me working. Living super frugally would be fine.

I didn't snap to the fact that this thread is so old until just now.

just_passing_through says

I'm out! Currently in Tucson. Interestingly I didn't see any signs saying, "Now leaving California", on my way out.

Arizona still has it's centennial sign up when you cross the Colorado.

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Yes, I could not believe I saw the US News rankings for public schools K-12 and California is ranked near bottom at 40 and Florida is ranked 16.

When did California become that much of a sh*thole because I recall years ago when California was praised for having the best K-12 public school system.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

@ad That's all a direct and inevitable result of Prop 13. It's pretty well documented in the documentary called "First to Worst", which somehow is not showing up in search engines, lol.

just_passing_through says

I'm out this week!

Congrats!

I left SoCal in December of 2010 and moved to Las Vegas to buy up commercial/multi-family real estate in Las Vegas. I never liked Vegas, but the business opportunity was too good to pass up though it kept me there much longer than I'd ever imagined. The lack of cultural amenities left much to be desired. Sure, there were lots of great restaurants with top of the line chefs if you are into that, but I missed seeing water and going to Lake Mead with friends on their boats was oppressively hot in the summers and the visual of the water level dropping year by year was disquieting. Then the demographics began to change in Vegas. If you drove up and down the strip or ventured into the old downtown Vegas you'd swear the hotels were giving away rooms free with the purchase of a bucket of chicken. I started noticing that and said, I'm outta here. Was there until 2021 when I sold everything and moved to Spain.

Now, the war in Ukraine has me on edge. I don't get why a non-NATO nation needs to be funded over a territorial war. Russia has nukes. I doubt Putin will back down. Just goes to show wherever you go, life presents new set of problems. But, so far, I love living here. Life is slower and the history and culture is rich and varied. Heck, the basilica up the street was built in the 14th century. When could I ever have said I live near a basilica, much less one from the 14th century while living in the US?

WillyWanker says

moved to Spain.

That's awesome. Congrats!

How did emigrating to Spain and the gene therapy work out?

Read your other post. Oh well....

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just_passing_through says

I'm out this week!

Congrats!

I left SoCal in December of 2010 and moved to Las Vegas to buy up commercial/multi-family real estate in Las Vegas. I never liked Vegas, but the business opportunity was too good to pass up though it kept me there much longer than I'd ever imagined. The lack of cultural amenities left much to be desired. Sure, there were lots of great restaurants with top of the line chefs if you are into that, but I missed seeing water and going to Lake Mead with friends on their boats was oppressively hot in the summers and the visual of the water level dropping year by year was disquieting. Then the demographics began to change in Vegas. If you drove up and down the strip or ventured into the old downtown Vegas you'd swear the hotels were giving away rooms free with the purchase of a bucket of chicken. I started noticing that ...

@just_passing_through
@Patrick

Patrick - can you please email just_passing_through my email address so we can get in touch.

We are still in process of fixing farmhouse because countryside is overwhelmed with transplants from USA and contractors are busy...some transplants put up Beto for Texas signs

@Bd6r I'll bug @patrick about it later after I get settled. I'll remind him of this thread so he can double check with you. I need to clear out an email account that's full so he doesn't have to interact with goooogle. I've been lazy replacing it so far. Busy year. I really need a new car too before I drive anywhere. Right now my shitty car is dumped in front of my parent's house (I'm in a rental) which is awesome because it's such an eye sore haha.

In Fort Stockton now. The roads weren't bad most of the way but they really became nice about 45min East of El Paso. 80MPH speed limit too! Didn't have that when I was living here before.

4.5hrs from San Antonio and nobody will need to pick me up at the airport this time!

I moved from NJ to PA. Not to far but lot of cost savings. Taxes were lot lower, little traffic,.

N when I was in NJ, they had media hold, n feels like democrat matrix. Once you get into mixed or little republican area, it's best. Both parties have to show n do things that are good. Perma Democrats stronghold have no initiative to do anything better.

Bd6r says

Patrick - can you please email just_passing_through my email address so we can get in touch.

@Bd6r Please try this: tip just_passing_through 1 cent, and include your email address in the message that goes to him with the tip.

Let me know if that doesn't work. I'm hoping that the tipping thing can become private messaging that way.

Patrick says

@Bd6r Please try this: tip just_passing_through 1 cent, and include your email address in the message that goes to him with the tip.

Got it. I'll do the same soon.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I’d love South Carolina I think but not confident in the job market. I think Texas or Tennessee would be most likely. I’d want someplace where I could meet a more traditional minded woman to marry(took me a couple decades to find in LA) and an income that could support us with only me working. Living super frugally would be fine.

Don't get married. Do the Goldie Hawn-Kurt Russel thing. Make legal documents saying you'll give her XYZ if you die or leave after being together X many years. Buy her a nice ring... but don't get married.

DO NOT get married.

One more time, have kids if you want, but DO NOT GET MARRIED.

Also, Tennessee is being overrun by out of state transplants. Native Tennesseeans are leaving because they're driving up the prices.

Patrick says

It's pretty well documented in the documentary called "First to Worst", which somehow is not showing up in search engines,

First to Worst (2004) explores the roots of California’s current education crisis, tracing it to the anti-tax movement of the 1970’s and 80’s and to civil rights lawsuits that aimed to equalize school spending but resulted instead in disastrous funding limits on schools. The documentary pays special attention to the effects of Proposition 13, the 1978 anti-tax law (still in effect) that froze property taxes on businesses and homes and, critics say, cut funding for public schools off at the knees.

57.04 minutes run time.

https://thepjsta.org/2012/07/24/first-to-worst/

AmericanKulak says

Also, Tennessee is being overrun by out of state transplants. Native Tennesseeans are leaving because they're driving up the prices.

There is someplace cheaper to move to???
Even upstate NY is expensive now!

AmericanKulak says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I’d love South Carolina I think but not confident in the job market. I think Texas or Tennessee would be most likely. I’d want someplace where I could meet a more traditional minded woman to marry(took me a couple decades to find in LA) and an income that could support us with only me working. Living super frugally would be fine.

Don't get married. Do the Goldie Hawn-Kurt Russel thing. Make legal documents saying you'll give her XYZ if you die or leave after being together X many years. Buy her a nice ring... but don't get married.

DO NOT get married.

One more time, have kids if you want, but DO NOT GET MARRIED.

Also, Tennessee is being overrun by out of state transplants. Native Tennesseeans are leaving because they're driving up the prices.

And if you do get legally married, have the marriage certificate recorded in Alabama. The state is of right mind enough to have pulled itself out of the marriage contract in 2019, and so far is the only state to do so that I know of. You do not sign a marriage license and ask for permission to marry in Alabama, you just create a marriage certificate saying you and your spouse are married and want it legally recognized. No need for a ceremony where you pledge fealty to the state and insert them into your lives either.

How is an agog, fluttering ingenue to radiate pride and status if she hasn't contractually bound at least one male slave in her lifetime?

Patrick says

@ad That's all a direct and inevitable result of Prop 13. It's pretty well documented in the documentary called "First to Worst", which somehow is not showing up in search engines, lol.

Patrick, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13

However I am referring to the rankings going back around 1997. Prop 13 was enacted around 1978. You can pin this on Prop 13 for the main cause for the drop in California's public K-12 rankings from within the top 10 to a current ranking of 40.

Patrick says

"First to Worst",

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5NhiM9ApCw

17:53 into video it says the cut periods from 7 to 6 or 5.

When I was in public high school in Florida in the 1980s we had 5 periods. 1 period math, 1 period English, 1 period science, 1 period social studies (or an elective), and 1 period required elective like shop class. We were require to take math, english and science each year.

We didn't have no elaborate spending but they had a lot of emphasis on test prep such as we spent at least 3 weeks getting ready for state-wide standardized exams, and also they offered free ACT and SAT test prep.

Florida was ranked usually around 20 as far as ACT and SAT scores at the time, and as far as public school rankings.
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DD214 says

Proposition 13, the 1978 anti-tax law (still in effect) that froze property taxes on businesses and homes and, critics say, cut funding for public schools off at the knees.

Despite California spending is in the top half of the USA, it is still ranked at the bottom for public K-12. Why is that ?

"According to the Census Bureau, California spends $15,837 per K-12 pupil, ranking 19th among the 50 states and Washington, D.C. In 2019, the state spent about $79 billion on education, yet these expenditures have done little in the way of improving its schools."

https://www.city-journal.org/california-misguided-education-spending#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Census%20Bureau,way%20of%20improving%20its%20schools.

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Despite California spending is in the top half of the USA, it is still ranked at the bottom for public K-12. Why is that ?

Illegals and thier offspring.

Booger says

Even upstate NY is expensive now!

Is that a sign of baseline inflation!

RC2006 says

Despite California spending is in the top half of the USA, it is still ranked at the bottom for public K-12. Why is that ?

Illegals and thier offspring.

Thank you RC2006 with having the courage to admit this, while some here refuse to admit about California, either because they are too afraid or too Woke (blue pilled).

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RC2006 says

Despite California spending is in the top half of the USA, it is still ranked at the bottom for public K-12. Why is that ?

Illegals and thier offspring.

Thank you RC2006 with having the courage to admit this, while some here refuse to admit about California, either because they are too afraid or too Woke (blue pilled).

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This should make sense. These people use cash and never get to pay taxes and always on receiving gov handouts.

AmericanKulak says

Also, Tennessee is being overrun by out of state transplants. Native Tennesseeans are leaving because they're driving up the prices.

I'm one of those out-of-state transplants lol. I LOVE IT HERE!

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Patrick says

@ad That's all a direct and inevitable result of Prop 13. It's pretty well documented in the documentary called "First to Worst", which somehow is not showing up in search engines, lol.

Patrick, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13

However I am referring to the rankings going back around 1997. Prop 13 was enacted around 1978. You can pin this on Prop 13 for the main cause for the drop in California's public K-12 rankings from within the top 10 to a current ranking of 40.

prop 13 didn’t cause teachers to turn into globohomo fascists. crazy liberalism is not new to the state.

what prop 13 did was stop government from fucking over people with ever increasing property taxes. only flaw in it is inheritance of tax basis.

out here in ID in my city they just doubled property taxes on everyone, it fucked people hard. Lots of money and lots of assholes looking for that money. if you don’t stop government taxing, it won’t stop itself.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

Prop 13 was enacted around 1978

When my cousin Margaret and her husband Bent Davies were in their late 50's and had been in their home about 20 years. Whatever else its problems, it kept their taxes from going from something like $1,500 to $7,500, which would have meant the loss of their home. It is true that a subsequent buyer would not have been protected, but that was beside the point.

porkchopexpress says

I'm one of those out-of-state transplants lol. I LOVE IT HERE!

This is pure denial. You actually miss the alienation, the aggressive entitlement, the daily, self centered smug narcissism, the litigiousness, the raw, bloody competition for overpriced crap, the high fences, the proliferating squalorous homeless and third worlders, the raving KommieKunt deluded apparatchiks, the complete failure of your vote to count, the increasingly ludicrous, costly and impractical humiliating anti-Constitutional legislations, the bleak future of gray socialist absurdities stacked higher and deeper, the high taxes, grifts, and fees, paying more and more for corrupt bureaucracies for less and less results in governance and infrastructures, the lousy schools full of idiotic perverts, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Ceffer says

the alienation, the aggressive entitlement, the daily, self centered smug narcissism, the litigiousness, the raw, bloody competition for overpriced crap, the high fences, the proliferating squalorous homeless and third worlders, the raving KommieKunt deluded apparatchiks, ... the lousy schools full of idiotic perverts

Why do you stay here?

Ceffer says

paying more and more for corrupt bureaucracies for less and less results in governance and infrastructures,

Thank you for taking the time to explain the serious consequences of white liberal shitholes like California... the qualify of life gets grinded down for a large majority of people ....

And Newsom is advertising in Florida and wants to campaign for President. LMAO.

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If you like CA 1978 prop 13, you also must be liking Ponzi scheme. If you wanted to be fair, ask for low and uniform tax for everyone who lives in their primary home. It’s even more fair to propose more taxes for business and RE investments who are more “tax efficient”.

Blue says

If you like CA 1978 prop 13, you also must be liking Ponzi scheme. If you wanted to be fair, ask for low and uniform tax for everyone who lives in their primary home. It’s even more fair to propose more taxes for business and RE investments who are more “tax efficient”.

100% agreed.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Why do you stay here?

So far we are paid in, and we have to weigh the disruptions of moving with the escape from Californication. We are debt free, have paid off homes with prop. 13, don't have to scramble for mortgages, have lots of free time to time our travels, don't have to worry about work to make a living, commutes during peak times etc. etc. In other words, minimize 80-90 percent of the hassles of the State. We spend half our time in a pinky lifting suburb and the other half in a still mostly beautiful coastal area. We almost fled when it looked like they were going full CCP on absolutely forcing vaccines. We almost pulled the trigger to leave during the horrible smoke years, but a couple of years of nice weather has made us lazy again.

Not too many outside CA know that CA re taxes are lowest in the country after prop 13 who hold on assets for long especially businesses. It’s a scam by design to shoot up every other tax in the state to offset the loss of re taxes.

Ceffer says

So far we are paid in, and we have to weigh the disruptions of moving with the escape from Californication. We are debt free, have paid off homes with prop. 13, don't have to scramble for mortgages, have lots of free time to time our travels, don't have to worry about work to make a living, commutes during peak times etc. etc. In other words, minimize 80-90 percent of the hassles of the State.

Yep, me too. But I plan to stay even if those stuff weren't also my case. Both my partner (OK, "spouse" for you, Patrick) and me have all our relations in the region, including our adult kids. This means more to us than the other stuff, so we stay. I reckon if I was a Jew in Austria I'd have stayed there too till they shipped me out in the boxcars.

Ceffer says

We almost pulled the trigger to leave during the horrible smoke years, but a couple of years of nice weather has made us lazy again.

Everything in CA is a scam. I get a fucking camping chair in IL and it causes cancer in CA. Hell a mattress causes cancer. I think most of you know how stupid your state looks, but as an outsider it looks like retardation. Not that you guys made the policy, but outside of CA's natural beauty it's the laughing stock of the country. No one wants to move there anymore.

Stay if you can put up with it. Hell I'm in IL for fucks sake. But that's mainly a property tax issue here and mine are extremely low. Our income tax isn't all that bad. I'd hit the 13% income marginal tax in CA which is fucking insane. I'd have missed out on prop 13, though I'm not sure how inheritance works. My dad's cousins live out there and own. That would be the only scenario I'd even think of moving out there if I could take over their houses.

I just cannot live on the coasts. That's why Texas is so popular. If you're near Houston/Dallas/Austin/San Antonio you can fly the mainland in 2-3 hours anywhere and Mexico/Caribbean. CA to NY for example is a cunt of a flight. Weather is not bad in TX. Housing is cheap(ish). No income tax. Guns. Less regulation. I like FL, but hurricanes can eat horse cock. I ain't dealing with that shit every fall.

WookieMan says

I think most of you know how stupid your state looks, but as an outsider it looks like retardation

True that, but we don't care what others think. Do you care what others think?

WookieMan says

No one wants to move there anymore.

Good. It's too crowded here, which makes it too expensive here.