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Booger says

Even if NATO decides to do nothing, I would expect Poland to do something.

How can you trust ANYTHING out of the Western media today? For all we know, this didn't happen, and our media is just lying about it. Did Hussein have a weapons of mass destruction program? Was Assad gassing his own people? Was Qaddafi using viagra to rape girls?

I don't understand why people still pay attention to the western media at this point. They lie about everything, and you know this.

Which part of Poland? Poland Poland, or the part they are going to annex from Ukraine?

Looks like Poland is taking the de-escalation route.

cisTits says

zzyzzx says

Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the information from a senior U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation.

In other words, bullshit so they can get us further into the war.

Notice how this happened just right after our 'election'?

probably right.

we are working hard in war against russia.
not sure whats with war lately.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11431843/Biden-asks-37-billion-Ukraine-aid.html

President Joe Biden is asking Congress to provide more than $37 billion in emergency aid to Ukraine, despite Republican warnings there won't be a 'blank check' for Kyiv when they are in the majority.

How will Biden launder that money back to himself and other Democrats now that the FTX scam is public?

I wonder if it was Kremlin allies who hacked FTX. Makes sense since FTX's CEO is a major contributor to the Democrats.

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ad says

I wonder if it was Kremlin allies who hacked FTX. Makes sense since FTX's CEO is a major contributor to the Democrats.

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it wasn’t hacked. it was stolen inside, ponzi scheme no better than bernie madoff. all this crypto shit is ponzi soeculation, only works as long as noone withdraws.

Ukraine just botched their false flag in Poland so badly the propaganda networks had to immediately walk it back. They had the right idea with the peace talks, stick with that.

"Zelensky is a Globalist Zionazi Plant".

Problem: Ukraine votes yes to UN Resolution saying Judea-Samaria is illegally annexed and Israel should be tried in the Hague a few months ago. Israel retaliates by abstaining on Russian Reparations to Ukraine.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-722398

Answer: Dismissive Cognitive Dissonance from the "pattern seekers" who Nose-tice things.

NuttBoxer says

Ukraine just botched their false flag in Poland

Not so fast: the strike was within 80 miles from Belarus territory which means it could be Ruscist s-300 fired in ground attack mode. (It can fly further than that but 80 miles is about max for controlled ground strike). Probably targeted the power pant right across the border but since s-300 relies on gyroscopes only for guidance in the ground attack mode it's not very precise. So s-300 doesn't automatically means "Ukrainian s-300" - both sides employ them. Using s-300 and not Iskander or Kalibr for ground attack this close to NATO border gives Ruscists some deniability for exactly this kind of situation.

I imagine Patnet could set up a little GoFundMe to buy a coupla Russian rockets on the Dark Web to deploy where ever. Bush and Clinton gifted out nuclear weapons to the Globalists for extortion purposes, so weapons provenance no longer has much of an association with perp provenance.

Really, if Russia wanted to drop rockets on Poland, they would probably do it with their now vast arsenal of seized US and Euro weapons, not with their own stuff. It's almost like, if it was made in Russia, it wasn't from Russia with Love, stupid.

Ceffer says

Bush and Clinton gifted out nuclear weapons to the Globalists for extortion purposes, so weapons provenance no longer has much of an association with perp provenance.

Nuclear weapons need regular refinement of the plutonium to function. If they aren't duds now, they will soon be.

The plutonium is constantly breaking down through nuclear fission. The fissile material must be refined repeatedly and regularly to keep it working as a nuclear weapon.

Considering how our government seems to prefer stealing money and doesn't give a fuck about winning war, I wouldn't be surprised if the US has NO operational nuclear weapons at this point.

Eric Holder says

Not so fast:

Without disputing anything you wrote after this, as without me knowing more, it all sounds plausible. I would just like to ask, if it was really Russia, why did the US and everyone else back down so fast once Poland investigated? How does that help the US's anti-Russia, warmongering agenda? How does it help them control the minds of the enslaved, who gobble up every propaganda piece the media spits out, when that media has to immediately contradict their first reports?

NuttBoxer says

Eric Holder says

Not so fast:

Without disputing anything you wrote after this, as without me knowing more, it all sounds plausible. I would just like to ask, if it was really Russia, why did the US and everyone else back down so fast once Poland investigated? How does that help the US's anti-Russia, warmongering agenda? How does it help them control the minds of the enslaved, who gobble up every propaganda piece the media spits out, when that media has to immediately contradict their first reports?

I'm going to add something here, if it WAS Russia, why would they just put ONE missile in Poland? That's the big smart "sneak attack?" that opens up WWIII and triggers article 5?

If it was Russian, Russia would be falling over themselves to apologize. Seems to me it was an malfunctioning missile originating from Ukraine.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/ap-admits-erroneously-reporting-russian

AP Admits Erroneously Reporting Russian Attack on Poland

False flag or accidental missile strike on Polish border identified in 2019 simulation as possible spark for a nuclear war with Russia. Do the hawks in Washington want nuclear war? ...

As I suspected, the AP Report was false, as AP admitted in today’s Correction (see below).




The question of why Ukrainian forces fired a missile towards Poland without proper guidance is apparently not being asked by our mainstream media, and perhaps not even by whoever is calling the shots of US-Nato policy in Ukraine.

What concerns me is that THE SPARK identified in the 2019 simulation is well-known to people in Ukraine who seem to be doing everything in their power to induce direct Nato involvement in the war with Russia.

From Ben Garrison's email:

Overheard:

JOE: "Hey, Jack—this is Joe Biden"
ZELENSKY: "My name isn’t Jack—it’s Volodymyr!"
JOE: "How ’n the hell can I remember a name like that? Listen, I need a favor."
ZELENSKY: "OK, but it will cost you."
JOE: "Trump is giving his announcement speech tomorrow. We need a distraction. Why don’t you launch a missile over the Polish border and we’ll say Russia did it. That oughta do it."
ZELENSKY: "Sure, but it will cost you at least $37 billion in emergency aid."
JOE: "No problem…just make sure I get my 10 percent. Use that crypto token money laundering thingie for my kickback."
ZELENSKY: "I can’t–that FTX Ponzi scheme has completely collapsed. I can always buy a few paintings from Hunter…but first I must buy another chalet in Switzerland."
JOE: "OK, Corn Pop—just as long as you get Americans focussing on World War Three and not Trump!"

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
Nov 16
(In case anyone objects to calling what's happening in Ukraine a "US proxy war," that's not a real debate. Top US officials and the most influential defense policy operatives in DC call it that repeatedly, as @NoahCarl90 documented here, because it is):

https://noahcarl.substack.com/p/is-ukraine-a-proxy-war

Is Ukraine a "proxy war"?
Critics of America’s policy toward Ukraine have accused it of waging a “proxy war” against Russia. Such critics include various Western commentators, as well as Russia itself. In April, the Foreign...

Don't worry: I'm sure these billions and weapons flying around DC and Ukraine are being meticulously accounted for.

That's why Dems and GOP united to block @RandPaul's amendment for oversight.

No need! Raytheon, CIA and Ukraine are famous for transparent, honest accounting.

If we project out to a year, that would be $120 billion each year to fuel the US proxy war in Ukraine.

That's roughly 1/8 of the entire US military budget for the year: by far the world's largest.

Congrats to Raytheon, General Dynamics and CIA!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-asks-for-more-than-37-billion-in-ukraine-emergency-aid

Biden asks for more than $37 billion in Ukraine emergency aid
President Joe Biden is asking Congress to provide more than $37 billion in aid to Ukraine. The funding request comes as lawmakers begin their post-election session.

US funding for war in Ukraine in 9 months:

Mar: $ 13.6 billion
May: $ 40b
Nov: $ 37.7b: Biden's new request

That $ 91.3 billion is 33% more than Russia's total military spending for the year

It's double the US's average annual expenditure for its own war in Afghanistan.

The Russians killed 3 civilians while putting out the lights in the Ukraine.

Time to call the Security Council.

Yes, hitting civilian infrastructure is a war crime. However, retaliatory measures are allowed. The Ukraine shouldn't have hit Russian infrastructure first.

Gotta feel sorry for the people though. Russia is simply mimicking our DoD talking points that we use when bombing countries about how the population should rise up against Zelenski.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-zelenski-calls-for-urgent-meeting-of-un-security-council-after-russian-offensive-on-kiev/ar-AA14tlyD?cvid=c25108d1047a443594dcd960ec840ad1

I assume that you are referring to the attack on the Crimea bridge on 10/8/2022 when you say that the Ukraine hit Russian civilian infrastructure first.

Would there have been any Russian attack on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure before that date, what measures would have been allowed for the Ukrainians?

The EU Parliament declared Russia a State sponsor of terrorism.

Symbolic, but they decided Russia's campaign against Ukraine's power grid was excessive. They also lumped in some individual atrocities into that.

Unlike a US declaration, the EU declaration doesn't carry any penalties.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/24/will-the-eu-parliaments-stance-towards-russia-have-consequences

Misc says

Unlike a US declaration, the EU declaration doesn't carry any penalties.

Doesn't carry any weight. Russia hasn't done anything the US hasn't done, with the complete silence of Europe.

The FIRST thing the US does is attack infrastructure. That was "shock and awe". They are doing this to Yemen, Somalia, and Syria now.

The US has no moral authority. They abandoned this moral authority at least 20 years ago, maybe 30. Maybe it was never there. The US engaged in firebombing of Japan and that war would have never happened if the US didn't do an oil embargo on Japan, but I think Japan deserved it - what they did to the Chinese was monstrous, but what we did to Japan, equally so. We didn't have to drop nuclear weapons, but we did.

Psychopaths run our world.

The US military does not attack civilian infrastructure purposefully. "Shock and Awe" was against military targets.

Russia did not purposefully attack civilian infrastructure until after its infrastructure was attacked. Perhaps the Europeans have it correct that the Russians have gotten carried away, but considering the attack on Nordstream perhaps the devastation is acceptable. Putin has certainly been increasing the costs of war incrementally against his foes.

If todays militaries directly attacked civilians, the death tolls would be staggering.

Misc,

I am trying to understand you point of view. What was the first attack on Russia's civilian infrastructure?

yawaraf says

Misc,

I am trying to understand you point of view. What was the first attack on Russia's civilian infrastructure?

The first attack was on the Nordstream 2 (that was a major attack). There was a secondary attack on the bridge from Crimea.

Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.

Misc says

The US military does not attack civilian infrastructure purposefully.

Haha!

Ever look at pictures of Libya before and after? Or Syria? Or Iraq?

https://shootsearcher.com/post-syria-before-and-after/

It's easy to find.

Misc says

"Shock and Awe" was against military targets.

Iraq was the military target.

The US' standard operating procedure is to destroy the country, ever fucking time, everywhere.

Misc says

Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.

Russia is just going to let Europe cut its own throat. I'm surprised they haven't turned off the Turkish Stream.

Not only do psychopaths run the United States they are stupid ones too. The United States may as well have declared war on Europe when they blew up the Nordstream I and II. It's possible the British did it, but they didn't do it without the US giving a thumbs up.

All these years of war is to break Eurasia into two again. If Europe wasn't run by traitors, they would have dumped their stupid alliances with the United States and shook hands with Russia 20 years ago.

Misc says

The first attack was on the Nordstream 2 (that was a major attack). There was a secondary attack on the bridge from Crimea.

Russia declared that it was the UK that launched the terrorist attack on Nordstream-2. However, a retaliatory attack against UK infrastructure could lead to a major war. So, Russia is simply using the Ukraine as a proxy. Sucks to be a Ukrainian.

There are some allegations of deliberate Russian attacks on Ukrainian health care facilities. I've linked to some which allegedly happened in March 2022, (Nordstream was blown up in September 2022). Do you consider these allegations to be true, and if so, do you still hold that is was the Ukrainans who first started attacking their enemy's civilian infrastructure?

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/attacks-hospitals-and-healthcare-ukraine-joint-submission-united-nations-independent-international-commission-inquiry-ukraine-september-2022

richwicks says

Ceffer says

Bush and Clinton gifted out nuclear weapons to the Globalists for extortion purposes, so weapons provenance no longer has much of an association with perp provenance.

Nuclear weapons need regular refinement of the plutonium to function. If they aren't duds now, they will soon be.

The plutonium is constantly breaking down through nuclear fission. The fissile material must be refined repeatedly and regularly to keep it working as a nuclear weapon.

Considering how our government seems to prefer stealing money and doesn't give a fuck about winning war, I wouldn't be surprised if the US has NO operational nuclear weapons at this point.

The half-life of Pu 239 (the majority isotope) is 24,000 years, that of Pu 240 is 6500 years. It is unlikely that the Pu degrades through radioactive decay over the course of decades enough to warrant re-refining. The most likely reason for overhauling warheads is that they are boosted fission weapons, employing a small amount of tritium to juice the overall yield. Tritium has a half-life of 7 years, so this does rapidly degrade through radioactive decay. The next likely reason for re-machining is that the Pu pit is subject to some degree of liquifaction, kind of like old window glass that becomes wavy over time. This deformation of the pit could affect warhead reliability by messing with the shape/clearances of the fissile elements, especially in the case of a U235/Pu levitated core.

Basic electronics also degrade over time. I imagine radioactive environments don't help.

It was claimed that one of the remaining 'suitcase nukes' placed throughout the cities of the world for blackmail and intimidation by the various Globalists powers and entities (until Guv devised remote methods for detecting and removing them) was found in Australia in an inoperable condition, because all of the support electronics had deteriorated.

I suppose it should be good news that nukes have a limited shelf life from one cause or another.