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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   285,955 views  1,448 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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871   Patrick   2022 Nov 7, 6:38pm  

https://jpfo.org/alerts2022/alert20221107.htm


By John Petrolino. Nov 6, 2022
The other week the NYS Jewish Gun Club approached a Federal court in Manhattan for a stay on New York's draconian carry law. The NYS Jewish Gun Club is one of many that have lined up to challenge the unconstitutional provisions in New York's law, which were signed by unelected Governor Hochul. The case Goldstein v. Hochul challenges what "sensitive places" are under the new law.

One of the attorneys representing the NYS Jewish Gun Club, Ameer Benno, previously stated, "By designating all houses of worship as 'sensitive places' where exercising the fundamental right to self defense will now be punishable by prison time, the government has not only violated the Second Amendment but also the First Amendment's guarantee of the free exercise of religion." Different cases have yielded different results, but according to the NYS Jewish Gun Club, the court they've filed in are slow rolling the process.
875   thenuttyneutron   2022 Nov 23, 11:36am  

Shaman says

I built this AR last week, standard chassis, self-milled lower receiver, .300 Blackout, holographic red dot sight, 30 round mag and silencer.
Shoots like a dream.





Hopefully soon Texas will win their lawsuit against the ATF regarding Texas made suppressors. Waiting 14 months for the tax stamp is complete bullshit. Even the eForms is slow. I submitted an eForm last March and still have not received the approval.

How do they expect to process millions of stamps because of their bullshit pistol brace rule dropping around Christmas?
876   HeadSet   2022 Nov 23, 11:52am  

thenuttyneutron says

Hopefully soon Texas will win their lawsuit against the ATF regarding Texas made suppressors.

How loud is that silencer?
877   richwicks   2022 Nov 23, 1:24pm  

HeadSet says

thenuttyneutron says


Hopefully soon Texas will win their lawsuit against the ATF regarding Texas made suppressors.

How loud is that silencer?


I had the media BS about silencers. In films, they make it appear that it's nearly silent, and you wouldn't hear it one room away. All they do is make it so that the person with the weapon isn't as likely to have ringing ears.
878   HeadSet   2022 Nov 23, 1:32pm  

richwicks says

I had the media BS about silencers. In films, they make it appear that it's nearly silent, and you wouldn't hear it one room away. All they do is make it so that the person with the weapon isn't as likely to have ringing ears.

I thought as much. The only silent gun I know of is a British military weapon that has a barrel that is the size of a small muffler and shoots a subsonic round. I do not see how a silencer on a normal supersonic round weapon can stop the sonic crack when the bullet leaves the gun.
879   richwicks   2022 Nov 23, 2:07pm  

HeadSet says

I thought as much. The only silent gun I know of is a British military weapon that has a barrel that is the size of a small muffler and shoots a subsonic round. I do not see how a silencer on a normal supersonic round weapon can stop the sonic crack when the bullet leaves the gun.


I've never shot one, but I think the quietest "gun" is actually an air rifle which uses compressed air as a propellant. These are unregulated, and subsonic. They were often used in WWI and I think even II for sniper's weapons, because they don't leave smoke.

Lewis and Clark made is across the continent with one of these weapons - the Girardoni air rifle. The legend (perhaps true) is that Lewis and Clark were able to travel the entire nation without being attacked because when they encountered a new tribe, they demonstrated the rifle to the shock of the tribe - demonstrating that (had they had more weapons) they were fully capable of defending themselves.

Basically, they would shoot at a tree, and the muzzle velocity was fast enough so it looked like, suddenly, there was a hole in the tree. The natives wouldn't have any concept of the limit of the weapon, that it could only do 30 rounds reasonably, and that it was a cumbersome weapon to use which required a great deal of training and maintenance.
888   HeadSet   2022 Nov 29, 11:45am  

Unless that bottom gun is fully auto (illegal), that gun and the gun above have the same rate of fire.
889   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Nov 29, 3:55pm  

HeadSet says

Unless that bottom gun is fully auto (illegal), that gun and the gun above have the same rate of fire.


last one is for infantry, about 300m. one above us for sniper long range.
890   GNL   2022 Nov 29, 4:02pm  

RWSGFY says

And standard capacity in 9mm is 17 or 18 rounds, iirc. I still don't get his choice of caliber.

Try conceal carrying that all day, every day. No bueno. Although there are some good micro 9s that hold 12 or 13 quite comfortably.
891   GNL   2022 Nov 29, 4:07pm  

Patrick says






@Patrick, Have you taken your shotgun out yet?
897   stereotomy   2022 Dec 14, 9:30pm  

Patrick says




This really is neo-feudalism. Dumb down the texts so that no one knows what they actually say. The catholic church got away with this for 1000 years, until Gutenberg blew a hole in that era of lockdown and censorship. Full disclosure - 13 years of catholic school.
898   Patrick   2022 Dec 14, 10:06pm  

I was shocked when I first found out that for centuries, Catholic laypeople were not allowed to read the bible. Only priests were allowed to read it.
899   HeadSet   2022 Dec 15, 9:11am  

Patrick says

I was shocked when I first found out that for centuries, Catholic laypeople were not allowed to read the bible. Only priests were allowed to read it.

The lay people were illiterates in their own language, let alone being able to read Latin.
900   fdhfoiehfeoi   2022 Dec 15, 9:43am  

Ordered a Robinson Armament for .300 blk. Hoping to take possession before the SBR law changes, or that the change gets struck down. Fired one of these in Nevada, and liked it much better than the AR-15.
901   richwicks   2022 Dec 15, 10:25am  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


I was shocked when I first found out that for centuries, Catholic laypeople were not allowed to read the bible. Only priests were allowed to read it.

The lay people were illiterates in their own language, let alone being able to read Latin.

As soon as the Gutenberg press was created and the bible was translated into the local languages, literacy took off. It's like the Internet. When I was a kid, hardly anybody knew how to use a computer, even when I was a young adult, but as soon as the Internet became widely available, everybody learned how to use one.
902   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 15, 10:30am  

Patrick says


I was shocked when I first found out that for centuries, Catholic laypeople were not allowed to read the bible. Only priests were allowed to read it.

Probably half of all Catholic Priests were functionally illiterate in both Latin and Native Tongue going into the 1700s. They memorized the mass and some sacraments.

Protestantism really changed the face of Europe; it was a religion that required literacy, so the Presbyterian Scots were the first European Nation to have mandatory public schools once a week, to teach basic literacy.

That's also the reason the Scots became incredibly wealthy and dominated British Commerce and Government for centuries. In the mid 1800s, the literacy rate in England was about 50%, in Scotland it had been over 80% for centuries - and in the Colonies as well.

Having a religion where members are all but required to be literate to read the Book is a big advantage.
903   HeadSet   2022 Dec 15, 11:11am  

AmericanKulak says

Having a religion where members are all but required to be literate to read the Book is a big advantage.

Interesting. That may help explain why USA and Canada are well off, and all south of the Rio Grande are basket cases.
904   RWSGFY   2022 Dec 15, 4:37pm  

Some of Oregon's trans and queer gun supporters are worried that a new state law will prevent them from buying firearms.

The law, Measure 114, grants county sheriffs and police chiefs discretion to determine who qualifies to purchase a firearm under a new permit-to-purchase program.

But Measure 114 lacks criteria clearly defining what disqualifies applicants, details on what makes someone a threat and what data can be used by law enforcement in making that decision. That's a problem for activists who have critiqued law enforcement....


https://www.npr.org/2022/12/15/1140713659/oregons-lgbtq-community-worries-that-a-new-law-will-keep-them-from-obtaining-gun

906   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 16, 1:17am  

Implication: politicians don’t trust the people, therefore they seek to control them like a plantation owner.
908   DD214   2022 Dec 18, 7:17am  


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