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Onvacation says

Somebody in Montana must have a 50 calibre and some tracer rounds.

90,000 feet. Even if a farmer went up as high as possible in a crop duster with a .50 cal, wayyy to distant to get a shot on it.

Bd6r says

1. I don't see why Chinese would need a SPY balloon when the Earth's orbit is full of SPY satellites which can do the job.
2. Question then is, why float this thing above US?
3. I have two logical possibilities which are not mutually exclusive...
a. Internal Chinese politics..WE SHOWED THE EVIL AMERICANS WHO IS THE BOSS
b. Checking how pussified the woke American establishment has become under Bidet...if Bidet administration does nothing, they will keep pushing, such as invading Taiwan or something similar.

It can't be a weather balloon like some apologists are saying, for the same reason.

It's an insult to Biden I think.

AmericanKulak says

Bd6r says

1. I don't see why Chinese would need a SPY balloon when the Earth's orbit is full of SPY satellites which can do the job.
2. Question then is, why float this thing above US?
3. I have two logical possibilities which are not mutually exclusive...
a. Internal Chinese politics..WE SHOWED THE EVIL AMERICANS WHO IS THE BOSS
b. Checking how pussified the woke American establishment has become under Bidet...if Bidet administration does nothing, they will keep pushing, such as invading Taiwan or something similar.

It can't be a weather balloon like some apologists are saying, for the same reason.

It's an insult to Biden I think.

Agreed, it doesn't even have to have anything damaging, it even may or may not be spying. Just the fact that it's here is a clear enough signal, by whomever launched it from wherever.

Maybe this is just another made up bullshit story by our media.

Oh wait, our media would never lie...


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Seriously, it's probably bullshit. They are trying to gear up fear and conflict with regard to Taiwan, and have been attempting to do this for YEARS. There's planes now that run off from solar power and can run 24 hours a day. They are tiny and basically undetectable. If China gave a crap about spying, they'd be using that. Solar cells now are paper thin.

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-says-hell-shoot-down-chinese-spy-balloon-as-soon-as-hes-done-letting-it-spy

Everybody seem to forget from the inauguration for many months Biden Actor had a Chinese body guard flaunting a CCP pin on his lapel. Don't know if they got value for their investment, but military could very well be watching the watcher. Woo says US has shot down Mossad satellites.

I wonder why anybody thinks Biden Actor makes any decisions. He just receives instructions and acting notes for the teleprompters. "Scene 1: act senile and sniff closest child. Act 2, rage like King Lear on acid. Scene 3. Look like you have a load in your pants when you walk."

richwicks says

Seriously, it's probably bullshit. They are trying to gear up fear and conflict with regard to Taiwan, and have been attempting to do this for YEARS. There's planes now that run off from solar power and can run 24 hours a day. They are tiny and basically undetectable. If China gave a crap about spying, they'd be using that. Solar cells now are paper thin.

No. It's real.

This is China letting everybody know who really runs the country and making our Elite sweat.

AmericanKulak says

making our Elite sweat.

Peasants should sweat, elites to large extent have been bought off

Getting zippity about Ukraine and Russia right after withdrawing from Afghanistan instead of detangling outselves from China is part of it.

Corporate Elites are still making a fortune outsourcing to CHYna and Political Elites are getting money from both Chinese and Western Corporations in love with outsourcing.

Russia is barely staying even in population and production these days and that's only by being the 2nd largest immigration destination (in their case, from former SSRs in Central Asia, mostly). Then their shit performance in Ukraine militarily is more confirmation that they are hardly a threat.

I don't buy this "Oh, this is an Operation Uranus/Stalingrad" bullshit. It's February. The ground is solid. Starting in March, the ground is going to get soggy and will be all of April at least. If they were going to do it, it would at the very latest be starting right now.

The Rival and Threat is CHYna. But the model for our elites is the CCP.

AmericanKulak says

But the model for our elites is the CCP.

Agreed - CCP response against pLandemic was touted as the correct one, and current BLM etc movements and response of authorities to them are modelled after Cultural revolution. But then why float balloons? The only rational reason then is Chyna internal politics

AmericanKulak says

Then their shit performance in Ukraine militarily is more confirmation that they are hardly a threat

They never were a threat after 1991, other than potentially selling nukes to other countries or groups.

Interestingly though there is a whole segment on the right of US politics who fell for the tough Russia/Putin fairytale. Even now, a year after Ukr war started, and after RU miserable performance, they have not changed their tune.

Something stinks about this.
An Air Force guy said it would endanger people on the ground if it fell to earth.
Maybe if it were floating over Manhattan.
He's lying for some reason.

They probably want us to blow it up because it is full of super fentanyl that will catch the winds and wipe out half the nation.

Bd6r says

Interestingly though there is a whole segment on the right of US politics who fell for the tough Russia/Putin fairytale. Even now, a year after Ukr war started, and after RU miserable performance, they have not changed their tune.

What's the fairytale?

I say that the whole Ukraine debacle was arranged by US elites for various reasons:

- weapons sales, with laundering of that money back to big political donors, mostly Democrats, via SBF/FTX
- covering up Biden/Pelosi/Romney/Kerry sons' corruption in Ukraine
- possibly covering up US DoD bioweapons labs in Ukraine
- attempted NATO expansion

Patrick says

Bd6r says

Interestingly though there is a whole segment on the right of US politics who fell for the tough Russia/Putin fairytale. Even now, a year after Ukr war started, and after RU miserable performance, they have not changed their tune.

What's the fairytale?

I say that the whole Ukraine debacle was arranged by US elites

Even if it was (just for the sake of argument, because it wasn't) Pukin's military turned out to be a fucking midget incabable of subduing the 22nd army in the world and not the fearsome NATO-defeating giant they pretented to be. Remember how they issued a fucking ultimatum to the whole NATO not long ago: "go back behing the 1989 borders or suffer the horrible consequences"? Yeah, me too. LOL

You don't exactly issue ultimatums to the US (let alone the whole NATO) with that dusorganised and outdated horde of war criminals, no Siree Bob.

In the recent deep fake Jizzlaine interview, she said something about believing that she and Jeffrey had complete immunity. Harvesting useful idiots is apparently a very high yield endeavor.

Patrick says

What's the fairytale?

I say that the whole Ukraine debacle was arranged by US elites for various reasons:

- weapons sales, with laundering of that money back to big political donors, mostly Democrats, via SBF/FTX
- covering up Biden/Pelosi/Romney/Kerry sons' corruption in Ukraine
- possibly covering up US DoD bioweapons labs in Ukraine
- attempted NATO expansion

What you wrote has nothing to do with

Bd6r says

tough Russia/Putin fairytale

BTW if my memory serves right, the Ukrainian payments to Bidet Junior originated with a Moscow/Cyprus headquartered company, that is, were at least to some extent connected to Russia and not only Ukraine.

clambo says

Something stinks about this.
An Air Force guy said it would endanger people on the ground if it fell to earth.
Maybe if it were floating over Manhattan.
He's lying for some reason.

And the MSM is puting out articles and news stories defending the balloon and why it shouldn't be shot down.

Bd6r says

What you wrote has nothing to do with

Bd6r says

tough Russia/Putin fairytale

Can you define that fairytale? Is it that some people believe Putin is being tough? I don't understand.

Ride Ride Ride let it RIDE!

Biden Regime deals very poorly with anything related to Inflation.

Ukraine Distracts from China and Chinese Influence and Outsourcing to China.

66,000 feet

12-13 miles above the surface of the earth

Still well below the Karman line and considered airspace.

The Concorde flew at 60,000 feet. SR-71 and Spy Aicraft fly well up to 90,000 feet with air breathing engines, still considered "AirSpace"

Suborbital is considered over 100,000 feet.

Patrick says

Bd6r says

What you wrote has nothing to do with

Bd6r says

tough Russia/Putin fairytale

Can you define that fairytale? Is it that some people believe Putin is being tough? I don't understand.

Yes, that Putin is tough, Russian army strong, etc. Neither of those is true, just as the idea that country where more than half of population got death jabs is somehow against New World Order.

Bd6r says

Yes, that Putin is tough, Russian army strong, etc. Neither of those is true, just as the idea that country where more than half of population got death jabs is somehow against New World Order.

MAYBE he is - probably not, but there's that slim hope.

There's NO hope with our government.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Seriously, it's probably bullshit. They are trying to gear up fear and conflict with regard to Taiwan, and have been attempting to do this for YEARS. There's planes now that run off from solar power and can run 24 hours a day. They are tiny and basically undetectable. If China gave a crap about spying, they'd be using that. Solar cells now are paper thin.

No. It's real.

This is China letting everybody know who really runs the country and making our Elite sweat.

I think it's just a weather balloon, and such a thing is far more common than we are let on.

Really, a BALLOON for spying doesn't make much sense, you can't really control its flight or direction. They've had solar powered airplanes for a while that can stay in the air indefinitely flying above the clouds. I don't know if you've seen a solar panel recently, they are basically about as thick as a few sheets of paper, meaning they are light.

I think something like that would be almost undetectable. I don't think it would even have much of heat signature, and it would be so tiny it would be hard to spot with anything. I suppose you could make it a partial dirigible as well.

richwicks says

I think it's just a weather balloon, and such a thing is far more common than we are let on.

Not at all. If it was, they'd say so.

Balloons are being considered for Martian and Venusian exploration. I read a shitload of articles in the past 3-4 years about the utility of High Altitude balloons for ELINT, battlefield surveillance, and even EMPs.

There's no reason China wouldn't say it's for science if it was.

The question is: What GOOD is the CCP doing by launching these balloons amid mystery and mystique?

The only viable answer is political and military.

BTW, looks like Biden Regime/NORAD knew this days ago, but didn't want their upcoming meeting with CHYna disrupted. The Montana Press publishing footage forced their hand.

The government lies, and it CERTAINLY is lying that these balloons are no big whoop.

It's about framing.

Don't ask why kids can't see dancing crossdressers. Ask why dancing crossdressers want to perform for kids.

Don't ask why the CCP Balloons are dangerous. Ask why they would be ignored by the Biden Regime.

AmericanKulak says

Not at all. If it was, they'd say so.

The Chinese government HAS said so. The Chinese government has publicly claimed that it's a weather balloon, but of course, if it WAS some sort of intelligence gathering mechanism, they'd of course lie. Some private company doing some shit, but there's no such thing as a "private" company in China really.

AmericanKulak says

The question is: What GOOD is the CCP doing by launching these balloons amid mystery and mystique?

There is no mystery. Our media, and government, as usual, is lying to create a distraction. They ALWAYS lie.

AmericanKulak says

The government lies, and it CERTAINLY is lying that these balloons are no big whoop.

If it was a big deal, we wouldn't know about it. If the US government was collaborating with the Chinese, the US would just claim it's THEIR weather balloon or just deny it exists at all.

Be aware of what kind of lies our government does get away with. They lied for 4 years about Russian Collusion, and they are lying about the election of Joe Biden. There's no independent press. When our "news" makes up a story, it's either complete bullshit, or a distraction. They control what we talk about. Do we talk about, say, the Ukrainian war anymore? They control the Overton Window.

The question is, what emotional response are people experiencing over this story? I think they're about to throw Joe Biden under the bus, so perhaps this is a setup to get rid of him, or perhaps it's a setup to get us to "hate CHYna" and saber rattle. I don't know, I'm just so fucking far beyond this at this point, SO USED to being manipulated, that I just discount anything my government says, because they ALWAYS lie.

I used to walk past a school twice a day on the way to work. On the way, I found stones painted blue, with "Ukraine" in yellow printed on them. That's what they have CHILDREN doing for "education". What do they know about the conflict? What do the teachers know about the conflict? I lot less than I do, and I admit, I don't know a hell of a lot, but I think it's basically to do with US energy dominance over Europe and the Middle East, that would fit in with the last 20 years of stupid fucking wars in the Middle East. Little kids are being indoctrinated, and in California, the "liberal state" in the heart of Silly Con Valley, to push for fucking war. All us peacenik hippies...

I'm ACUTELY aware of when I'm being mislead. Maybe I'm wrong this time, but generally if I take the position of "this story is bullshit", without knowing ANYTHING about the story, I'm over 95% correct in hindsight. It's a lot safer to assume our media is lying.

My experience is that our government doesn't give a shit what we think, as long as whatever we think, is incorrect. I don't know why they do this, but I suspect it's because our government is always doing shit we'd resist, if we knew what they were actually doing. That's why they've lied about the reasons for EVER WAR we've been in for at least 20 years, probably 70, probably over 200.

richwicks says

There is no mystery. Our media, and government, as usual, is lying to create a distraction. They ALWAYS lie.

In this case, the opposite.

NORAD knew days ago. ONLY because a local MT media got footage were they forced to address it.

This is what they don't want to talk about. They want to talk about more $$$ for Ukraine.

They have to ignore and when that fails, downplay the balloon so as not to annoy the masters. They'll get Biden out by other means, perhaps by making the Hunter Laptop Legitimate after years of denial.

Bill Kristol angrily dismissing a foreign nation's balloon over our airspace is evidence to me.

In Montana now. Have gotten dozens of texts from people that know I’m out here.

First it would have to have been launched in Montana. Not a chance in hell it crossed the Pacific without being noticed.

Second is it’s a fucking balloon…. Even if it’s Chinese or even Russian operations, it’s a fucking balloon. That’s like shooting a Nerf gun at someone with an AR in battle. And as others have said don’t they have satellites?

There are nukes out here which would be the only concern. So I’m not convinced that it’s not a spy ballon. If you’re going to launch one and kill the least amount of civilians MT and ND are perfect and you could cripple our land based nukes (that we know about).

Problem with that strategy is we have a bunch of nukes out at sea and airborne in a moment. I don’t know if it’s trolling or actual spying, but using a ballon is retardation in its purest form.

I haven’t been reading or watching much news over the past 10 day. But it seems like bull shit.

Bd6r says

.if Bidet administration does nothing, they will keep pushing, such as invading Taiwan or something similar.

If China invades Taiwan, Biden will mandate an embargo on fortune cookies.

AmericanKulak says

90,000 feet. Even if a farmer went up as high as possible in a crop duster with a .50 cal, wayyy to distant to get a shot on it.

Don't we have any planes that can fly that high?

Bd6r says

Bidet Junior originated with a Moscow/Cyprus headquartered company, that is, were at least to some extent connected to Russia and not only Ukraine.

So the Biden's colluded with Russia and Ukraine? Do you really believe that?

Onvacation says

Don't we have any planes that can fly that high?

We do, but not civilian ones. If the USAF generals put on their big girl panties, we can take it down.

Maybe if we classify it as an unarmed female Veteran, the government will shoot it.