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There is a ridiculously large flag in the main square, the Zocalo, and the military puts it up and takes it down each night:

Food was cheap and good, and we never got sick. We were careful to avoid the water and anything that might have been washed in water, like lettuce.

I could not bring myself to try the brains or eye.



Divide the peso prices on the menu by 18 to get US dollar prices.

That guy has a lot of meat choices; I don't see so many in Baja Sur.

I agree about with all the stuff to trip on on the streets and sidewalks. Pot holes and holes in the sidewalks everywhere. HOWEVER, no one is tripping in them or braking their ankles like they would be here if we had such infrastructure problems. The people down there have learned to live with these nuisances where as the people in this county have not learned how to take care of themselves. Lawyers here to sue for everything, even if you get fat from eating too much McDonalds.

And yes a lot of beggars. Even children selling chiclets, HOWEVER, they have a mother within arms reach. They may be poor but I would bank that the family unit they have is far better than the broken welfare family we have created in the United States.

When you arrive, they take your picture and a photo of your passport and give you a receipt which says you MUST (in capital letters) go online to a certain URL and fill out the "FMMI" form or you will not be allowed to leave the country.

So we tried to do that, but the URL they gave was invalid (missing the .html). I figured that out, and then you have to first create an account with the government with the captcha rigamarole, then take a photo of your passport (which they already have from your arrival), but when you try to select the image, the web page won't let you on an iPhone. So I used my laptop to log in again and upload the photo of my passport there, which works.

Then you have to validate the OCR of your passport data, enter another captcha code, and submit.

Finally they tell you to click to download the FMMI form to fill out, but that doesn't work. I'm a web guy, so I looked at the developer console and they had javascript errors which prevent the page from working. Not sure why they even deployed it with fatal errors, since it's literally not possible to use.

So you both MUST and CANNOT follow their instructions. Pretty frustrating.

I asked the hotel concierge who said to just fill out the paper form at the airport, which was not listed as an option on the receipt I got from the entry immigration booth.

At the airport on the way back, I asked for the paper form and was told that everyone knows the online form is broken, and that they had decided to just let you show the receipt from immigration instead.

But then no one ever asked for that either. It's all pretty messed up.

casandra says

They may be poor but I would bank that the family unit they have is far better than the broken welfare family we have created in the United States.

@casandra I strongly agree with you. I'm pretty sure everyone in Mexico comes from a normal family with a mother and father, and that this helps maintain some social order. You see families everywhere.

Re: Above.
I think that Mexico actually is just interested in knowing how many tourists fly in each year for some statistical use.

Re: Family values in Mexico; families stay together often for economic reasons; in the USA single motherhood has a financial incentive which makes for extremely high numbers of fatherless children.

I know many single mothers in Mexico who struggle because there is no system to make the biological father pay for his own children.
They often live with their parents (child's grandparents).

Men have it much easier than women in Mexico; there are countless females available to men who are both financially desperate and lonely.

But, to be fair, in Mexico family members helping other family members is the norm; I don't know if this is so much true in the USA.
If my brother were in a jam I would help him; but I would tell him he's a loser who can't handle his business before I did it.

Patrick says

Food was cheap and good, and we never got sick. We were careful to avoid the water and anything that might have been washed in water, like lettuce.

I could not bring myself to try the brains or eye.

According to my wife (her mother is from Mexico), the eye tastes kind of like an egg. Her mother used to fight over the cow eyes with her other siblings because it was so tasty.

NuttBoxer says

I've sold a blacklisted phone to a Mexican, and they knew it was blacklisted. Apparently still ways to use them down south.

iPhone? I doubt it can be re-used if locked via iCloud. Android - I have no idea.

Patrick says

So you both MUST and CANNOT follow their instructions. Pretty frustrating.

Patrick says

But then no one ever asked for that either. It's all pretty messed up.

That is Mexico. When I go to foreign countries I just don't care, specifically Mexico, you walk around like you're the boss. They don't give a fuck unless you are getting drugs from the Cartel. Or bring IN expensive stuff. I've hear they rape people with expensive drones/electronics coming in, taxing it. That was 3-4 years ago though.

My experience in Mexico has always been similar to the US. You'll see rough stuff, infrastructure is worse for sure, but overall it's a nice country and it's hard to complain about the weather as someone from the Midwest. I get their authentic food here as I'm near towns with large hispanic populations. I think Chicagoland is 2nd in the country. I know Chicago proper is #1 for Puerto Ricans. Hell, El Chapo's US base was Chicago.

Much of the south and west sides of Chicago is worse than anything I've seen in Mexico. We generally plop down at a resort, but we do get off site for non-popular excursions, or just go eat at a local place not near the resort. Yet to do Pacific side or Mexico City. Caribbean coast is pretty damn normal.

Garbage is my only issue. Lots of it everywhere. That goes for Jamaica, Dominican, USVI, PR, etc. Caribbeans don't have decent trash removal services generally. So lots of waste on the side of roads. Shit cars. Nice people though. I've heard bad things from people, but never encountered anything bad. I'm also an ass hole and a foot taller than most people in the Caribbean, so that might help.

I tried to leave this review on TripAdvisor, but they demand that you allow the Google ReCaptcha spyware, so I couldn't. Same problem with the website of the hotel itself, Hotel Zocalo Central. Ah, they have a plain email address! Thank God for that. I'll send it to them there as well as posting it here.

My wife and I were exceptionally happy with room 215, overlooking the Zocalo square and the cathedral. I'm sure it costs more than the other rooms, but totally worth it.

It's noisy outside, but if you close the windows you can barely hear it. The air conditioning worked well.

There were a few flaws, like tiny mosquitoes in the hotel lobby, but nowhere else we went in Mexico City. Odd. There is a nice free cafe in the lobby where you just give your room number and get coffee, food, and beer all free for guests. The servers expect a tip, but two dollars seems well appreciated. Some of the servers seemed rather sullen and unfriendly most of the time anyway. Others were cheerful and friendly.

The front desk needs to have aspirin on hand. I had a headache and was surprised they didn't have any. They should also make a point of changing money at a reasonable rate, both for the benefit of the guests and because it is a potential profit center. A clerk told me that they will change money, but only at a very bad rate.

The breakfast on the amazing balcony is very good, though one waiter forgot my order so we waited around and eventually ordered again. The coffee is not quite as good as you might expect from the food and location. Seems like Robusta beans instead of Arabica, and not strong enough for coffee connoisseurs. It would also be nice if they had really good cocoa available, as Mexico is the origin of cocoa. It seemed like what they had was the Abuelita stuff, with cinnamon and suger, not what I was hoping for.

Overall, quite an excellent hotel, and you really can't beat the location.

Patrick says

like tiny mosquitoes in the hotel lobby, but nowhere else we went in Mexico City.

They have a fountain or something nearby? Open air lobby? Likely no see ums. They're common in warm and more humid climates. I don't know if Mexico city fits that mold, but they're bad on the Caribbean side of MX. Water/swampy areas are where they go.

We've been in Florida and the entire family looked like we had chicken pox after the week. No one felt like they were getting bit. Wasn't midwest style mosquitos that you just whack off your arm. You didn't know it was happening.

Patrick says

The front desk needs to have aspirin on hand. I had a headache and was surprised they didn't have any. They should also make a point of changing money at a reasonable rate, both for the benefit of the guests and because it is a potential profit center. A clerk told me that they will change money, but only at a very bad rate.

Tip. Always bring a first aid kit of some sort that includes pain meds. Internationally especially and account for any liquids over the ounce requirement. I don't take anything, but the wife might and if something bad happened I might. I've needed a kit twice for wounds on vacation, mainly camping. Basic stuff like bandaids, alcohol wipes to clean wounds, gauze, maybe some medical tape, etc. If you're doing tours Dramamine water or land is a go to now as I get sick if I'm not driving and in the back. I get shotgun or you may end up with puke in the back. I rent a car everywhere I go if I can. I need to be in control.

For the kit also account for location. My wife just got back from Costa Rica. She was stung in probably a dozen spots by jellyfish. I'll wait for the pee on it comments........ but there are other remedies you can bring with.

I have a weird timing things with stuff. First time I bought travel insurance for a trip to Disney my BIL hangs himself. We either miss the wake and funeral or $6k lost. We got it all back. Took my kids and nephew camping (before we had him) just me and the kids. Nephew falls at the campground playground and tears a wart he had on his knee off. Blood everywhere. I had a first aid kit I packed for the first time.

I love travel and I'm getting better at it. Contemplated getting into the travel industry, but I really don't want to deal with needy people that expect 5 start service for next to nothing. On the coffee thing I'd always bring it or just go to a local shop. I don't drink it anymore, but I did love good coffee when I did. We bring snacks for the flights and the room. Saves some $$$.

We have spring break and one camping trip planned the rest of the year. I'm disappointed. San Diego is out now too, which I'm pissed about. $500k on a house so it's time to be frugal and make more money. I've enjoyed the break. Time for me to adult again.

WookieMan says

Patrick says

like tiny mosquitoes in the hotel lobby, but nowhere else we went in Mexico City.

They have a fountain or something nearby? Open air lobby? Likely no see ums. They're common in warm and more humid climates. I don't know if Mexico city fits that mold, but they're bad on the Caribbean side of MX. Water/swampy areas are where they go.

We've been in Florida and the entire family looked like we had chicken pox after the week. No one felt like they were getting bit. Wasn't midwest style mosquitos that you just whack off your arm. You didn't know it was happening.

Patrick says

The front desk needs to have aspirin on hand. I had a headache and was surprised they didn't have any. They should also make a point of changing money at a reasonable rate, both for the benefit of the guests and...

One of the reasons I will likely never move to an overly humid climate. Fucking hate mosquitoes, rather wrestle a bobcat than a horde of these bloodsuckers. Ah California!

mell says

One of the reasons I will likely never move to an overly humid climate. Fucking hate mosquitoes, rather wrestle a bobcat than a horde of these bloodsuckers. Ah California!

Don't disagree. No clue if it's blood type, but mosquitoes don't F with me. I very rarely use spray in the summer humid months here in IL. I'm an outlier, but I actually like humidity. I'm a sauna and steam room guy. So natural steam room and sweat I feel is good. Gets shit out of the body. Frankly think it's healthy for you. I understand though people don't like it. But still why I'm eying Mississippi property on a lake for retirement. Cheap AF and I'm all good with humidity.

That said I'd prefer CA climate. Winters are awful here in IL. The value to climate equation for me to move to CA just isn't worth it financially. We'll make the same anywhere in the country, but housing it exponentially more expensive and income taxes alone would eat $25k/yr above what we pay. House we're building will be $3k/mo roughly. Same house in CA would be $7k/mo at least. Doable. Not getting house poor though. So I'll drag through the winters in the meantime.

WookieMan says

They have a fountain or something nearby?

There wasn't any visible fountain in the lobby, but they did have a wall of plants which might have enough water to keep those little buggers going. Here is the lobby:



It's pretty much a 5-star place aside from the little flaws.

I'm still a bit creeped out by learning more about the human sacrifice. They would cut you open, and then the priest would literally reach in and rip your heart out.

I imagine a Catholic priest talking to an Aztec something like this in 1520 or so:

priest: God sacrificed his only son to save you.
Aztec: Sure, Gods do that and this is why we have to sacrifice people, to return the favor. Was his heart ripped out?
priest: No, they nailed him to a cross.
Aztec: Creative! So you nail people to crosses?
priest: No, it was just a one-time thing.
Aztec: Boring!

Patrick says

Everyone hopes for tips, about 15% is normal like in the US. Lots of beggers.

That's odd. In TJ we usually only leave a few pesos, never go by percentage.

Patrick says

The European Mexicans are taller than the mestizo or Indians, and look much richer. Very hierarchical.

That's racist!! Seriously though, every non-white ethnicity is like this. The lighter the skin, the better. We're the only country that seems to have this ass-backwards.

Patrick says

I'm still a bit creeped out by learning more about the human sacrifice. They would cut you open, and then the priest would literally reach in and rip your heart out.

Weirdly, this happens in any society just before the Iron Age. There's Danish and other sites in China like this.

Sometime in the late Stone Age/Bronze age, people get the idea that sacrificing people is a Good Thing.

Patrick says

Food was cheap and good, and we never got sick. We were careful to avoid the water and anything that might have been washed in water, like lettuce.

I could not bring myself to try the brains or eye.

Never seen oreja, that's weird. Also, no buche!?

Eric Holder says

iPhone? I doubt it can be re-used if locked via iCloud. Android - I have no idea.

iPhone. Sold it for just over $200, must be good for something. If you can swap the IMEI, that's all that's needed to unlock it. Tried it a while back, but the SW didn't work, or I didn't know what I was doing.

AmericanKulak says

Weirdly, this happens in any society just before the Iron Age. There's Danish and other sites in China like this.

Yes, and Christianity itself is a kind of offshoot of this. Abraham was supposed sacrifice Isaac, but God stopped him. Just a test. Jesus's being sacrificed is kind of a reflection of that.

And I think in the Old Testament you have the rule that you can no longer sacrifice your firstborn to Baal or Moloch, implying that that's what people used to do.

My advice is don't set yourself up for any crime.

Try to fit in as much as you can so you don't stick out enough and there is a virtual sign above you that says "kidnap me"

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Re: Human sacrifice above.
My Mexican friend (who is a lawyer and got good grades in school) told me that the traditional soupy dish Pozole was made with human meat sometimes back in the Aztec days.
Today it's made with pork.
She made pozole one cold day and told this to me and ruined my appetite for the pork. The hominy and broth went down OK.
There was a famous guy who disposed of narco murdered people using large drums and acid; his nickname was "El pozolero"=pozole maker.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/02/27/Mexico-protest-election-institute-Obrador/3181677499079/

Feb. 27 (UPI) -- More than 100,000 Mexican residents crowded the Zocalo plaza near the presidential palace in Mexico City to protest changes to the National Election Institute they charge would weaken the agency.

Hey, that's pretty much the view we had from my hotel room, only our view was quite a bit lower, from the 3rd floor of Hotel Zocalo Central, room 215. (If you stay there, that is the room to get.)

And the protest is about election fraud, just like we have here.

Cool.

Patrick says

Food was cheap and good, and we never got sick.

I have to revoke the never sick part. I got classic tourista about 24 hours after getting back. Not sure how that happened, but seems like it has to be the trip. At least it was not on the plane thank God.

I did brush my teeth with the water, which may have been my mistake. I have also since read that "If the food isn't too hot to eat when it arrives at your table, you shouldn't eat it at all." This is because just a touch by a dirty hand on warm food can make a place where bacteria can proliferate quickly.

My wife is fine, but she never brushed her teeth with the tap water.

One of my friends came back from a vacation in Mexico with a TB.

Patrick says

My wife is fine, but she never brushed her teeth with the tap water.

This was likely the mistake on your end. I'll forget using bottled water and have never been sick in MX, but at some point you're better off not brushing your teeth as gross as that sounds. Resorts generally have their own filtration, but if you were in MX city that's a crapshoot for water quality.

Worst case if you don't have bottled water, and again it's going to sound crazy, but use vodka, beer, or any alcohol to wet the tooth brush if you don't have bottled water. Also never assume the bottled water is good either. Hence the alcohol suggestion.

I got covid in Mexico, but nothing else and I totally forgot this last time about using the bottled water. Fortunately no problems there.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/most-violent-cities-world

The continental United States racks up seven mentions in total. Other than New Orleans, Baltimore (rank 17), Detroit (rank 23), Memphis (rank 25), Cleveland (rank 27), Milwaukee (rank 39) and Philadelphia (rank 46) make the list.

Not sure I believe that Mexico has 9 out of the top 10 most dangerous cities on earth, but I can believe it has some of the top 10.

WookieMan says

This was likely the mistake on your end.

I've never heard of a 24 hour delay for it though. Can't find much online about a delay before Montezuma's Revenge.

Maybe you get infected and it takes a while for the bug to proliferate in your guts.

Patrick says

Not sure I believe that Mexico has 9 out of the top 10 most dangerous cities on earth, but I can believe it's pretty high.

You are definitely going into a hot zone as I believe Mexico City is in the middle of that ring of violent crime and terror, which includes Celaya Uruapan, and Zamora. Stay in the high-end tourist areas and don't venture out unless you travel in an armored vehicle and have armed security.

AmericanKulak says

Patrick says

I'm still a bit creeped out by learning more about the human sacrifice. They would cut you open, and then the priest would literally reach in and rip your heart out.

Weirdly, this happens in any society just before the Iron Age. There's Danish and other sites in China like this.

Sometime in the late Stone Age/Bronze age, people get the idea that sacrificing people is a Good Thing.

Who knows exactly why human sacrifice was largely prevalent in neolithic cultures? Maybe it was a form of population control, since agriculture was in its infancy and booming populations depleted game animals.

Even earlier, during the hunter-gatherer days, population control was largely conducted by infanticide. Why else would a newborn cry when left alone, if not to signal to another barren woman on the move that this child was available (before it called down the wolves upon itself)?

In a lot of ways, the NWO is doing the same thing - push toxxines to sterilize breeders and kill them as well as their children. Encourage homosexuality and trans to further deplete the breeder population. Encourage women to have a "career," ride the cock carousel and end up childless with 100 cats. Sterilize men with estrogen-mimicking chemicals like plastics and pesticides. Encourage abortion to the extent that over 40,000,000 children have been roto-rootered to death since 1972.

cisTits says

Shame on you CisTits. Thats a MAN, baby! Red alert - manhands, shoulders, bolt-ons over a male torso, and face. Maybe it's not packing a sausage, but it screams trans. Notice how the face casts the neck in shadow so we can't see the Adam's apple?

Patrick says

I've never heard of a 24 hour delay for it though. Can't find much online about a delay before Montezuma's Revenge.

Maybe you get infected and it takes a while for the bug to proliferate in your guts.

Who knows it could have been food? Not sure if you do lounges as I know you've traveled to Europe. So not sure if you ate anything at the airport. I don't trust airport food anywhere. The leases for those lounges and even public restaurants are insane. Factor in that and getting the cheapest labor the food is generally sub par.

The few time I've been sick because of food, it took longer than I thought to kick in. Nothing you can do about it now obviously, but I didn't didn't each chicken for two years after a bad food poisoning incident. My youngest was an infant and my wife and I were literally not functioning. No need to get into details but it was top 3 worst sicknesses. We thought we were dying.

This is why I'll never eat before flying. Maybe a granola bar from the states that I know my gut has historically handled normally. We've basically stopped eating out in general even at home. Travel is more difficult unless you have a place with stove/oven and preferably grill so you know how it's cooked. That's if you like cooking I suppose. We do. I'd guess food, but you know what you consumed/drank.

Patrick says

I have to revoke the never sick part. I got classic tourista about 24 hours after getting back. Not sure how that happened, but seems like it has to be the trip. At least it was not on the plane thank God.

I did brush my teeth with the water, which may have been my mistake. I have also since read that "If the food isn't too hot to eat when it arrives at your table, you shouldn't eat it at all." This is because just a touch by a dirty hand on warm food can make a place where bacteria can proliferate quickly.

My wife is fine, but she never brushed her teeth with the tap water.

We always use the tap water to brush our teeth in Tijuana, but we rinse our tooth brush, and our mouth with clean water. You aren't swallowing while your brushing, so it's not from that.

When I was in Jamaica I got traveler flu where my stomach just rejected the dietary change, but that was after nearly a month.

WookieMan says

So not sure if you ate anything at the airport.

We did actually eat in the airport before the flight. Could have got me on the way out of the country.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11830957/Two-four-Americans-kidnapped-Mexico-dead.html

Two Americans who survived border kidnap linked to ultra-violent Gulf Cartel that killed their two friends as they drove south 'to get budget tummy tuck surgery'
Two Americans kidnapped at gunpoint at the US-Mexico border by 'Gulf Cartel' have been found dead, two others wounded, with one person now under arrest
Mexican officials have said that the leader of the 'Gulf Cartel' may be involved
The four Americans had been traveling south so that one of the group could have a tummy tuck when they got caught in gunfire between two gangs

Patrick says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11830957/Two-four-Americans-kidnapped-Mexico-dead.html

Two Americans who survived border kidnap linked to ultra-violent Gulf Cartel that killed their two friends as they drove south 'to get budget tummy tuck surgery'
Two Americans kidnapped at gunpoint at the US-Mexico border by 'Gulf Cartel' have been found dead, two others wounded, with one person now under arrest
Mexican officials have said that the leader of the 'Gulf Cartel' may be involved
The four Americans had been traveling south so that one of the group could have a tummy tuck when they got caught in gunfire between two gangs

The good news is that two of them don't need the tummy tuck anymore.

Too soon?

Eric Holder says

The good news is that two of them don't need the tummy tuck anymore.

But they did get gang banged,

HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

The good news is that two of them don't need the tummy tuck anymore.

But they did get gang banged,

TWO FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!!! EVEN BETTER - FOR FREE!!!

Patrick says

WookieMan says

So not sure if you ate anything at the airport.

We did actually eat in the airport before the flight. Could have got me on the way out of the country.

It's like Tropic Thunder. Don't go full retard. Don't eat airport food. Eat light and bring small snacks to hold you over.

My travel is generally leisure. I usually have a couple beers at the airport and don't eat. Basically fast. Maybe a granola bar which I've mentioned so I don't have to buy expensive shit food. I'm not shitting on a plane unless I'm going to Australia or something. So something light that I bring with in my carry on/ backpack.

There's no incentive to make quality food when your lease is $20k/mo on 1,000-2,000 sq. ft. of space and employees are making $15/hr besides server tips. The margins are shit as the landlord is the government so they charge whatever they want. Now transfer that to Mexico and I'd venture to guess more corners are cut. I just do lounge access and pound beers for calories. Not healthy. I don't give a shit. Never disruptive. Thank everyone in the chain of travel. But I pound beers.

And I'm not fearful of travel besides trains in Ohio, Greece, or airplanes from Cuba recently... Southwest too with Cuba engine issues. I'll be massively drunk on our Jacksonville flights, both flights are on the Boeing 737 Max. I'm not afraid really, just will be drunk. Lol. No driving involved either so I'm safe.