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https://babylonbee.com/news/man-survives-bank-failure-crisis-by-not-having-any-money-in-the-first-place

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/svb-ftx-sbf-wtf/

As if all the operations around finance in this land were not already unsound and degenerate enough, the alleged president just cancelled moral hazard altogether. It’s now official: from here forward there will be no consequences for banking fraud, poor decision-making, fiduciary recklessness, self-dealing, or any of the other risks attendant to the handling of other people’s money. Bailing out the Silicon Valley Bank and Barney Frank’s deluxe Signature Bank means that the government will now have to bail out every bank every time something goes wrong.

The trouble, of course, is that the government doesn’t have the means to bail out every bank. Its only resort is to ask the Federal Reserve to summon new money from a magic ether where the illusion of wealth is conjured to paper-over ever greater fissures in the splintering matrix of racketeering that America has become. That will quickly translate into US dollars losing value, that is, accelerating inflation, which is how nature punishes you when your government lies and pretends that it has a bad situation well-in-hand. ...

The disorder may go on for quite a while, but eventually the survivors will synergetically fix their circumstances themselves working in-step with the emergent mandates of reality. Having lived through a reality-optional period of history, it will come as an ecstatic shock to learn that the world requires us to pay attention to what is really happening and to act accordingly. We’ll find ways to get food, make some things work, and shine some lights in the darkness, if perhaps not by means we’re familiar with now.

In the meantime, expect more disordering tragi-comedy from the “Joe Biden” led psychotic regime ruling over us with its drag queen commissars, lawless Lawfare vandals, race hustlers, agents provocateurs, informers, censors, prosecutors, inquisitors, jailers, and propagandists — the worst collection of imbeciles, grifters, and villains ever assembled into political party.

The economy is heading towards correction for sure now!

Get Mila at a discount!

https://www.frontpagemag.com/svb-went-woke-then-broke-then-got-a-bailout/

SVB Went Woke, Then Broke, Then Got a Bailout
Americans can’t afford food, but leftist and Chinese companies get bailed out.
March 17, 2023 by Daniel Greenfield

Patrick says

Americans can’t afford food

Eh? Americans most definitely can afford more food then they need. Look at that beach picture someeone posted in the funny pictures thread.

Eating processed garbage does not count as food.

NuttBoxer says

Eating processed garbage does not count as food.

That's mostly because of laziness, not cost of basic ingredients. An 8 oz bag of Lays at Safeway costs $4.47. A 5 lbs bag of Russet potatoes at the same store costs $3.99. Same $3.99 buys a pound of organic chicken drumsticks.

Processed shit is waay more expensive.

Apparently UBS is in the process of emergency bailout of Credit Suiesse to prevent economic meltdown Monday.

BTW, contagion is a medical term, specifically used in relation to pandemics(real ones, not the fake BS we just saw). So why the fuck use it to describe banking collapse? See one health conspiracy for details.

Sounds like UBS bailout is not happening, on to plan B, destroy the Euro!

NuttBoxer says

Sounds like UBS bailout is not happening, on to plan B, destroy the Euro!

That would be OK. The EU unelected crony traitors have done nothing but harm to the countries. The EU should have been a purely economic union with the Euro as additional common currency, the EU countries should have never given up their currencies and sovereignty.

UBS to buy CS for 2 billion, a fraction of its 8 billion close on Friday. UBS and CS shareholders will be shafted as no vote allowed. Probably all in all a positive development as some losses, bad spec money and debt will be flushed out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ubs-offers-buy-credit-suisse-1bn-025-share-takeunder-cs-balks-offer

mell says

UBS to buy CS for 2 billion, a fraction of its 8 billion close on Friday. UBS and CS shareholders will be shafted as no vote allowed. Probably all in all a positive development as some losses, bad spec money and debt will be flushed out.

Looks like 3 million was the final number. Exchange on the shares is over 20/1.

Also saw central banks opening up some "currency swap" lines, whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. These guys seem fucking nervous..

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/17/svb-listed-remote-work-as-a-business-risk-before-collapse-its-a-convenient-excuse-experts-say.html

First Republic continues to circle the toilet, seems likely they will not last another week.

https://slaynews.com/economy/former-fdic-chair-speaks-out-against-svb-bailout-says-biden-admin-overreacted/

The former chair of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), Sheila Bair, has criticized the Biden administration’s “bailout” of Silicon Valley Bank (SVB).

Bair denounced the Biden admin’s decision to guarantee all deposits at the failed SVB, labeling the move an “overreaction.”

Bair made the comments during a recent appearance on “The Washington Post Live” series.

She stated that insuring all deposits at SVB and at the failed Signature Bank was an unnecessary “bailout.”

Bair warned that the move would be paid for by extra fees on all banks, even well-run community and regional banks.

The former FDIC chief also threw cold water on proposals to waive the current $250,000 deposit insurance lid and for the FDIC to provide unlimited guarantees for all deposits across the entire $17.5 trillion U.S. banking sector.

“We need market discipline to complement the supervisory process,” Bair said.

I think market discipline should be the supervisory process. No bailouts, ever. No FDIC. If you put money in a bank, you should be WARNED in big letters that you are making an unsecured loan to the bank. The bank officers and shareholders should all be personally legally liable for all the deposits.

https://babylonbee.com/news/banks-begin-calling-customers-to-ask-for-loan

Patrick says

https://babylonbee.com/news/banks-begin-calling-customers-to-ask-for-loan

Offer them a Rhodium bar:

Sounds like after all that Credit Suisse is still going under...

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2023/03/as-senate-banking-committee-convenes-hearing-on-exploding-banks-an-fdic-chart-shows-the-banking-crisis-is-far-from-over/

A lot of banks lending to commercial real estate (CRE) will suffer loses.

Real Estate Select Sector SPDR Fund is down about 29%. It was down 37% in October 2022 when the S&P 500 was down about 25%. Granted, not all the fund is invested in commercial high rise buildings.

Union Bank Plaza in Los Angeles sold recently for a 50% loss. It is a 40-story, 701,888-square-foot office building.

Read more about commercial real estate woes at :

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/manhattan-office-vacancy-hits-record-marquee-la-office-tower-sells-50-loss

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Union Bank Plaza in Los Angeles sold recently for a 50% loss. It is a 40-story, 701,888-square-foot office building.

That is insane as it is 50% off the 2010 price according to the article.

That said, still wondering if (when?) it is time to buy the REIT indexes...

EBGuy says

ad says

Union Bank Plaza in Los Angeles sold recently for a 50% loss. It is a 40-story, 701,888-square-foot office building.

That is insane as it is 50% off the 2010 price according to the article.

That said, still wondering if (when?) it is time to buy the REIT indexes...

Outside of prime locations across the country a lot of buildings are going to be torn down. The McDonalds campus in IL a few years back moved to downtown Chicago from Oak Brook, IL. Either who they sold it to or were leasing from tore it all down. Whoever picked it up is now building on it though. Not sure what they would put there, but likely office and hotel. It's nicer area than Rosemont for O'hare business travelers and only 10-15min away.

A lot of incentives to get companies to move into Chicago are going to look like shit once they start moving back out of urban centers. I'm sure it's the same out in CA. Commercial was always going to get hammered after covid became a thing. Smart businesses can manage remote workers. Most notes are 5 years. So depending when the note comes due we're probably at the start and 1-2 years from a potential bloodbath.

Warehouses though will help keep the floor high with online shopping. We'll see.

I think multifamily REITs are fine, other REITs might need more investigation. I suspect it might be safe to get into more traditional REIT in six months, but REITs I think can hid a lot of losses more than publicly traded company with commercial and retail building. SVB went down in a rising interest rate environment and I think a lot of building were mortgage out in a high interest rate environment and they are losing money because occupancy is down.

I like multifamily because it's housing, retail could be good if done right, commercial seems scary and industrial seems great.

WookieMan says

Oak Brook, IL. Either who they sold it to or were leasing from tore it all down. Whoever picked it up is now building on it though. Not sure what they would put there, but likely office and hotel. It's nicer area than Rosemont for O'hare business travelers and only 10-15min away.

At least 33% of Oak Brook, IL's population is Asian. More like causation and not correlation or happenstance in regards to your observations about it being a nicer area compared to other Chicago areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Brook,_Illinois#Demographics

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cisTits says

We get years of cheap money and start to think cheap money is normal. We see the endlessly rising asset prices and believe we’re skilled investors

7 out of 8 years of the Obama admin was with a Fed Funds rate of 0.25% and an average annual inflation rate of about 1.5%.

I do not know of any other extended period where the Fed Funds rate that was less than the inflation rate.

I agree it is problematic, as they should have raised rates in 2012 as that was more than enough time for the economy to recover from the Great Recession.

Right now the Fed Funds rate is 5% and CPI (12 months) is 6%. The Fed should at least hold the Fed Funds rate steady and wait to see CPI to drop below 5% within the next 6 months.

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The big banks lost 90 billion the last week of March from depositor withdrawals. Loss of confidence is system-wide, and growing.

NuttBoxer says

The big banks lost 90 billion the last week of March from depositor withdrawals.

Some of that may be from putting the cash into the new high return CDs.

NuttBoxer says

The big banks lost 90 billion the last week of March from depositor withdrawals. Loss of confidence is system-wide, and growing.

Schwab is down about 47% from its all time high set in January 2022.

Looks like a good buy considering it was selling for around $50 back in early 2020.
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HeadSet says

NuttBoxer says

The big banks lost 90 billion the last week of March from depositor withdrawals.

Some of that may be from putting the cash into the new high return CDs.

But usually they would put it back in the same bank since they have an account, right? So they don't lose net deposits and technically lock said deposit in for longer over a checking or savings account. Or are people going broke? Or are they drawing down amounts above FDIC limits?

People are taking the money out of their near zero interest paying accounts and putting it into money market accounts. It is death by a thousand cuts for those institutions that loaded up on long term paper during Covid.

WookieMan says

But usually they would put it back in the same bank since they have an account, right?

Possibly, but many credit unions now offer 5% 1 year CDs. I just moved just moved quite a sum from a bank paying 3% to a credit union paying that 5%. I suspect others are moving money like that as well.

Patrick says

I think market discipline should be the supervisory process. No bailouts, ever. No FDIC. If you put money in a bank, you should be WARNED in big letters that you are making an unsecured loan to the bank. The bank officers and shareholders should all be personally legally liable for all the deposits.

Absolutely correct. It was this way at one time. TPTB just can't not control everything though.