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Sanctions Impact in Russia


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2022 Mar 4, 11:05pm   53,793 views  411 comments

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Pay $1.81/gallon for gas
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Russia/gasoline_prices/?source=patrick.net

Gas in Russia is cheaper than Gas in Qatar or Bahrain or Saudi Arabia.

Unable to buy $30/lb luxury Italian Cheese, $30/bottle midrange French Wines, expensive German Audio Equipment... what will the Russians do with themselves?

Eat local cheese, drink local beer, and buy the same audio equipment from China that's on Amazon USA

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350   Eric Holder   2023 Mar 23, 3:48pm  

richwicks says

I think he's pointing out how ridiculous the US looks with their sanctions.


Looks like you're reading him wrong.

The only ridiculous thing here is the CCCP's rapid descent from the country with "the best edumacation in the world" and "second military in the world" into Ugandesque-level shortage of simple spare parts for anything more comlex than a horse-driven buggy and pulling Stailn-era* T-54 out of storage to send to the frontline.

You know where else T-54 are still being operated? Yes, Africa.

*) Not an exaggeration - T-54 was designed in 1947 and introduced into service in 1948.
351   richwicks   2023 Mar 23, 3:57pm  

Eric Holder says

richwicks says


I think he's pointing out how ridiculous the US looks with their sanctions.


Looks like you're reading him wrong.


He would have to indicate that to me, not you.

Eric Holder says

The only ridiculous thing here is the CCCP's


You insist on using stupid propaganda like this. It's like calling German's Nazis at this point. If you can't even correctly identify the fucking nation, after 30 years, what kind of credibility do you have at all?

Stop using dumb stupid propaganda. The reason you call it the CCCP is because you expect this to invoke a visceral reaction in people who remember the USSR, which isn't many to be honest, you'd have to be at least 45 years old to have any concept of what that nation was like.

Quit trying to push buttons, and reason instead. When you, or anybody, references the CCCP or the USSR, you just look stupid. Maxine Waters was talking about "the Soviet aggression" just a few years ago. She was pillared for this, because it made her look fucking stupid, and I think she is. These fuckers are so fucking old, they don't know what has happened in the last 30 years.
352   HeadSet   2023 Mar 23, 6:11pm  

richwicks says

Maxine Waters was talking about "the Soviet aggression" just a few years ago.

That cunt still thinks the Confederate States of America exists.
353   richwicks   2023 Mar 23, 6:12pm  

HeadSet says

richwicks says


Maxine Waters was talking about "the Soviet aggression" just a few years ago.

That cunt still thinks the Confederate States of America exists.


It's impossible to know if these people are this dumb, or they think Americans are so dumb, they still think the USSR exists.
354   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 31, 9:52pm  

Great summary of many things already covered in this thread: https://archive.ph/PSPAC
355   RWSGFY   2023 Mar 31, 10:00pm  

richwicks says


"the Soviet aggression"


If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

The token BS name change means diddly squat. They retained Soviet anthem, they retained KGB in power, they keep worshipping fucking mass murderer Joseph Stalin and the mummy of another mass murderer - Lenin - is still prominently displayed on the Red Square. And their military still flying red flags with hammer and sickle in battle. It's the same old CCCP with sane peeps in power pursuing same imperial goals using same methods.


356   AD   2023 Mar 31, 11:31pm  

richwicks says

When you, or anybody, references the CCCP or the USSR, you just look stupid. Maxine Waters was talking about "the Soviet aggression" just a few years ago. She was pillared for this, because it made her look fucking stupid,


Russia is an oligarchy or plutocracy, with some western style socialism. It has some state owned industries as remnants of its communist past.

As far as the state of the plutocracy's economy, Russia's debt to GDP ratio continues to remain very, very low as compared to western countries.
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357   richwicks   2023 Apr 1, 2:59am  

RWSGFY says


The token BS name change means diddly squat. They retained Soviet anthem, they retained KGB in power, they keep worshipping fucking mass murderer Joseph Stalin and the mummy of another mass murderer - Lenin


When the USSR existed, there was secret police and people couldn't exit the Soviet Union. There were travel restrictions imposed on everybody, people were forcibly located into areas in order to control them. There were constant shortages and there was no external trade. If as an American you entered the USSR, you were constantly tailed, and considered to be a spy. You were restricted on which locations you could go. There was absolutely no free press. External culture and communication was impossible for most soviet citizens.

I had family on the other side of the Iron Curtain in Poland. I know how it was. My cousin studied in Warsaw for a few years. He traveled to the USSR a few times when it still existed. As an American, he had more rights than our 3rd cousins did.

See this type of dog?



It's a Samoyed. In the West, they are always white, or they may have "biscuit" in their hair which is light tan. The reason this is, is because 9 dogs were taken out Siberia from the Samoyedic people, but you will know them better as "Nenets". The dogs are not always white. They are red, black, and white, like Chows. The reason everybody thinks of the Samoyed as a "entirely white dog", is because when the Iron Curtain went up, it ended any ability to contact the Samoyedic people, so the 9 dogs that came out are all that were. That dog you're looking at is a terribly inbred animal, practically a clone of my dog. It is a descendant of those 9.

That's how strong and impenetrable the Iron Curtain was. It created an entirely unique offshoot breed of dogs.

Is that still Russia today?

It's what the US is turning into. We very well may be in the position where we are trading Rubles on the black market, or Reminbi, in constant shortages, having family from other countries mailing in goods in care packages. We may be confined to "15 minute cities", and having corporations which control our government entirely dominate and control food production. We may not be able to get information from overseas and where we're all constantly monitored for our political alignment with the government.

You do nothing about that and say nothing about that. You only worry about the enemies the propaganda box tells you to worry about, you vomit up the same propaganda the propaganda box tells you. How many times do you have to be lied to before you suspect you're being lied to?

Did you know in the USSR it was basically mandatory to receive Pravda and Izvestia? Every single citizen got it. You know what many Russians used these for? To literally wipe their ass, because toilet paper was in often short supply, but propaganda wasn't. You can't wipe your ass with CNN or an online copy of the NY Times though.
358   Onvacation   2023 Apr 1, 9:05am  

richwicks says

You can't wipe your ass with CNN or an online copy of the NY Times though.

Yeah you can, at least figuratively.
359   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 1, 9:15am  

Users of M48 Patton (introduced 1952):

Greece: 390 M48A5 MOLF.
Germany: 20 Minenräumpanzer Keiler in service as of 2007
Iran: 180 M48A5.
Lebanon: 104 M48A5.
Morocco: 225 M48A5.
Poland: 4 Minenräumpanzer Keiler, transferred from Germany.
South Korea: Around 200 M48A3K and 400 M48A5K1/K2/KW are remaining in service with the Republic of Korea Army as of 2023.[94]
Taiwan: 450 CM-11, 100 CM-12[95]
Thailand: 105 M48A5PI.
Turkey: 758 M48A5T2 in service. All other variants, 2,250 pieces including the 1,389 M48A5T1 are phased out of active service.

One Tank can really fuck up a city
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_San_Diego_tank_rampage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Perth_tank_rampage (APC, not a tank)

The M60 is also still in service, and that's a 1959 design still used by dozens of operators from Bahrain to Spain to Turkey.
360   Bd6r   2023 Apr 1, 9:30am  

richwicks says

Did you know in the USSR it was basically mandatory to receive Pravda and Izvestia?

Resident Patnet Russia/USSR specialists strike again.

I lived in USSR for 20 yrs of my life, and we were not required to receive Pravda or Izvestiya. Neither did any of our friends.
361   GNL   2023 Apr 1, 11:23am  

AmericanKulak says

Users of M48 Patton (introduced 1952):

Greece: 390 M48A5 MOLF.
Germany: 20 Minenräumpanzer Keiler in service as of 2007
Iran: 180 M48A5.
Lebanon: 104 M48A5.
Morocco: 225 M48A5.
Poland: 4 Minenräumpanzer Keiler, transferred from Germany.
South Korea: Around 200 M48A3K and 400 M48A5K1/K2/KW are remaining in service with the Republic of Korea Army as of 2023.[94]
Taiwan: 450 CM-11, 100 CM-12[95]
Thailand: 105 M48A5PI.
Turkey: 758 M48A5T2 in service. All other variants, 2,250 pieces including the 1,389 M48A5T1 are phased out of active service.

One Tank can really fuck up a city
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_San_Diego_tank_rampage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Perth_tank_rampage (APC, not a tank)

The M60 is also still in service, a...

Ah, the truth...where for art thou?
362   richwicks   2023 Apr 1, 11:48am  

Bd6r says

richwicks says


Did you know in the USSR it was basically mandatory to receive Pravda and Izvestia?

Resident Patnet Russia/USSR specialists strike again.

I lived in USSR for 20 yrs of my life, and we were not required to receive Pravda or Izvestiya. Neither did any of our friends.


Are you Russian or American? I know Americans had different privileges. Americans, which were mostly fucking pieces spies in Russia, could always go to the embassy.

It was dangerous to be at all unorthodox in the USSR. You disagreeing with that? What comrade, don't want to read the Truth and News? What's wrong comrade?

So you're familiar with the USSR. Well enlighten us about it then, tell us, correct me. I know I may be in error, my experience IS quite limited. Share your knowledge.

I bet this is where you shut the fuck up. What were doing in the USSR for 20 years? That makes you at minimum 50 years old.
363   Bd6r   2023 Apr 1, 11:54am  

I was born in USSR in one of the republics (not Ukraine), I speak Russian as good as my native language language, and I lived in USSR until it collapsed in 1991.
richwicks says


I bet this is where you shut the fuck up.

I think this is where you should shut the fuck up as you have no clue about what happened or happens over there, as evidenced by a lot of your posts.

@Patrick who knows me personally, can verify that I am telling the truth.
364   Patrick   2023 Apr 1, 12:19pm  

Yes, Bd6r is telling the truth. I have met him.
365   richwicks   2023 Apr 1, 12:28pm  

Bd6r says

I was born in USSR in one of the republics (not Ukraine), I speak Russian as good as my native language language, and I lived in USSR until it collapsed in 1991.


Always the cagey evasive bullshit from you, every fucking time. Here is where I was born (or at least grew up) until I was 18:

https://goo.gl/maps/puJsw6uXtCYDxp3F7

Bd6r says


richwicks says



I bet this is where you shut the fuck up.

I think this is where you should shut the fuck up as you have no clue about what happened or happens over there, as evidenced by a lot of your posts.

Patrick who knows me personally, can verify that I am telling the truth.


Yeah, but I don't know you.

You are very deceptive in my estimation about the current conflict with Ukraine. You actively deceive people about the situation. You are fucking delighted to see this conflict. I'm very realistic. I expect the Ukrainian population to be devastated - at least the male population and I do not expect it to recover in my lifetime.

Angela Merkel has stated outright that the whole purpose of the Minsk Accords was to buy time, to arm Ukraine because they WANTED a fucking war.

Maybe you're Chechen. The US destabilized that to, as they did Yugoslavia. Maybe Georgian, or S. Ossetian? I wonder why Mikhail Saakashvili showed up in Ukraine just in time for their "revolution"? He's US educated in Columbia University and George Washington University.
366   Bd6r   2023 Apr 1, 1:05pm  

richwicks says

The US destabilized that to

Bullshit. Prove with links
367   richwicks   2023 Apr 1, 6:28pm  

Bd6r says

richwicks says


The US destabilized that to

Bullshit. Prove with links


The US follows a very consistent pattern. The US supports Islamic terrorists, always, that's why they are so adamant they don't.

https://www.russiamatters.org/node/20317

I don't know if that site is honest, but if you want more information, specific names, operations if I can get them, I can. I know my fucking government. You just don't. The US supports the PKK, despite also calling it a terrorist group. Who do you think our "Kuridsh allies" are?

The US created Al-Qaeda. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Osama binLaden is from the binLaden family, a family which the US has tight ties to. It was the US that supported the Taliban which is just the Mujahideen.

You know how the Proud Boys leader, Enrique Tarrio, turned out to be an FIB information? They always do this shit, including internationally. They control their opposition if they can.
368   Bd6r   2023 Apr 1, 6:31pm  

So your source is claim by Vladimir Putin. Bullshit squared, he started second Chechen war to get elected.
369   AD   2023 Apr 2, 12:19am  

richwicks says

When the USSR existed, there was secret police and people couldn't exit the Soviet Union. There were travel restrictions imposed on everybody, people were forcibly located into areas in order to control them.


They have travel restrictions in Russia now. I believe you have to carry a passport or national ID in certain areas of Russia based on what I read in the news and heard on various news outlets.

I know they do identification checks in Russia, as that is commonly done by the police there.

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370   richwicks   2023 Apr 2, 9:52am  

Bd6r says

So your source is claim by Vladimir Putin. Bullshit squared, he started second Chechen war to get elected.


Look, I cannot see that you've responded to me if you don't quote me.

I expect that you know that. Why do you do this?

Tell me how I'm incorrect, let me understand how I'm wrong. If you won't do that, I assume you can't do that.

I have a very open mind. It's my job, my job is critical thinking, I'm a fucking awesome engineer because I leave ego at home when I go to work. I've done this for decades. You show I'm wrong, I'll accept it and even more, I'll promote what I consider correct.
371   richwicks   2023 Apr 2, 9:54am  

ad says


richwicks says


When the USSR existed, there was secret police and people couldn't exit the Soviet Union. There were travel restrictions imposed on everybody, people were forcibly located into areas in order to control them.


They have travel restrictions in Russia now. I believe you have to carry a passport or national ID in certain areas of Russia based on what I read in the news and heard on various news outlets.

I know they do identification checks in Russia, as that is commonly done by the police there.


They might. I don't know. The point I'm making is we shouldn't ever be like the fucking USSR. That was a shithole.

I don't know what Russia is like today, but I full on know well what the US is today, and the US is my problem, not Russia.

Doesn't anybody but me see it a LITTLE disturbing to see the US adopt the same bullshit restrictions of the USSR?
372   Onvacation   2023 Apr 4, 11:25am  

Bd6r says

I lived in USSR for 20 yrs of my life

Where? When?

Just curious about your time under communism.
373   Misc   2023 Apr 14, 2:28pm  

On exports Russia is about where it was pre-invasion in oil exports (quantity) prices are up since then.

Don't know about its ability to import. I am sure the black markets are swarming.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/china-india-russian-oil-crude-moscow-war-ukraine-volumes-kpler-2023-4
374   Bd6r   2023 Apr 14, 8:49pm  

Onvacation says

Bd6r says


I lived in USSR for 20 yrs of my life

Where? When?

Just curious about your time under communism.

@Onvacation

When?

1970 to 1991 when it collapsed.

Where?

Most of time in one of non-Slavic republics, and some time in Russia, mostly Moscow.
375   RWSGFY   2023 May 21, 9:27am  

Latest nimbers on Soviet oil revenues:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyIkLniiQg
377   richwicks   2023 May 24, 3:20pm  

Bd6r says

Onvacation says


Bd6r says



I lived in USSR for 20 yrs of my life

Where? When?

Just curious about your time under communism.


Onvacation

When?

1970 to 1991 when it collapsed.

Where?

Most of time in one of non-Slavic republics, and some time in Russia, mostly Moscow.


WHY did you live there?

My cousin was in Warsaw in the 1980's. He was studying physics there. He was there because my family split just before Poland fell to Germany in WWII. My great grandfather escaped.

Being an American, he told me he was under constant suspicion.
378   Booger   2023 May 24, 3:42pm  

Perhaps we should troll Russia by sending them our excess Bud Light?
379   Eric Holder   2023 Jul 7, 12:24pm  

MOSCOW, July 5 (Reuters) - The Russian budget's oil and gas revenues fell by 47% to 3.38 trillion roubles ($37.4 billion) in the first half of the year from the same period in 2022, finance ministry data showed on Wednesday, as tax returns fell because of lower prices and sales volumes.

Proceeds from oil and gas sales are crucial for Russia's commodity-oriented economy and for the financing of what it calls its "special military operation" in Ukraine.

The oil and gas revenues declined by 26.4% in the month of June, year on year, to 528.6 billion roubles - less steep than the 36% fall seen in May.

Russia's energy revenues have been squeezed by a western price cap on its oil and by the closure of the Nord Stream gas pipelines to Europe that were blown up last September. Investigators have yet to establish who was responsible.

Russia's budget deficit hit $42 billion for the first five months of the year, already 17% above the plan for the whole of 2023.

June's oil and gas budget revenues were down 7.4% from May, mainly due to lower proceeds from a mineral extraction tax (MET) on oil and gas and from export duty on natural gas.

Proceeds from the MET fell to 631.6 billion roubles in June from May's 703.6 billion roubles, while export duty declined to 57.7 billion roubles from 66.1 billion roubles in May.

Budget subsidies to refining companies from an "oil reverse excise tax" declined to 73.9 billion roubles from 91 billion roubles in May.

Payments to refineries under the "damping mechanism" - introduced to stop companies from capitalizing on high fuel export prices and defend the domestic market - fell to 78.6 billion roubles from 103.5 billion roubles in May.

The finance ministry projects oil and gas revenues this year to decline by 23% to 8.94 trillion roubles, while the budget deficit is seen at almost 3 trillion roubles, or 2% of gross domestic product.

($1 = 90.5000 roubles)

Reporting by Darya Korsunskaya; writing by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Mark Trevelyan
380   Patrick   2023 Aug 7, 1:38pm  

ad says

I believe you have to carry a passport or national ID in certain areas of Russia based on what I read in the news and heard on various news outlets.


This was even the case in Germany back when I studied there.

Everyone was required to carry official ID at all times. I think it's still true.
381   Patrick   2023 Aug 7, 1:39pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/succeeding-backwards-monday-august


📈 You won’t see this story in corporate media. After two years of Biden Sanctions, Russia’s economy has continued growing and is now larger than any other European country. Here is Friday’s headline from Russia Today:




Since I couldn’t source the story to any Western media, I checked the IMF’s website for myself. Russia Today’s story is accurate. Not only that, despite two years of “brutal” U.S.-led sanctions, Russia now ranks among the world’s top five largest economies, and the largest in Europe in terms of ‘purchasing power parity’ (PPP) as of the end of 2022.

Presumably, halfway through 2023, Russia’s numbers are up even more.

Instead of sanctioning Russia for invading Ukraine, if Joe Biden had set out to deliberately expand Russia’s economy, he could not possibly have done it any better. Does that seem weird to you? Meanwhile, here in the U.S., we are either in a recession or headed straight towards one, depending on who you believe. Here’s Bloomberg, from Friday:




Thanks Joe! If he sanctions Russia much harder, maybe it will help the former Soviet Union’s economy surpass America. Wouldn’t that be something.
382   Eric Holder   2023 Aug 15, 7:09pm  

Whole lot of surpassing recently:



GETTING RICHER EVERY DAY!!!

Gotta love that emergency 12% rate.
383   HeadSet   2023 Aug 16, 6:00am  

Patrick says

Thanks Joe! If he sanctions Russia much harder, maybe it will help the former Soviet Union’s economy surpass America.

Scale. If Russia grew its GDP by half, it would be on par with California.
385   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 16, 11:26am  

HeadSet says


Patrick says


Thanks Joe! If he sanctions Russia much harder, maybe it will help the former Soviet Union’s economy surpass America.

Scale. If Russia grew its GDP by half, it would be on par with California.



Is growing your GDP by making more artillery shells to be immediately spent and refurbishing more 1960s tanks to be immediately burned in some unneccessary imperial adventure really the same as growing it by producing some useful gadgets and providing some useful services?

GDP grows either way but it's obvious which one is real growth and which one is BS.
387   Bd6r   2023 Aug 16, 8:16pm  

Patrick says





Not screwing with domestic oil producers would be sufficient. Since US is a net oil exporting country, higher oil and gas prices are a net benefit and cutting off competitors such as Russia exports is an overall positive. Remember Trump and Russian gas.

Besides the above logic, as a Texan I welcome high oil prices, they benefit my Great State and it’s inhabitants. Let damned Yankees from NY heat their houses with mortgage based securities and Clownifornians eat iPads.
388   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 28, 8:18am  

Steven Kotkin and two Russian economists assess the effects, lessons and the future of sanctions on the USSR:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-qmMgVN8c
389   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 1, 10:45am  

MOSCOW, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Russia, one of the world's biggest oil producers, has faced shortages of fuel crucial for gathering the harvest in some parts of its southern breadbasket and the situation may get worse in coming months, market sources told Reuters.

Traders said that the fuel market has been hit by a combination of different factors including maintenance at oil refineries, infrastructure bottlenecks on railways and the weaker rouble which incentivises fuel exports.

Russia has tried to tackle diesel and gasoline shortages over recent months, contemplating export curbs as the last-ditch attempt to prevent a serious fuel crisis - which is sensitive for the Kremlin ahead of a presidential election in March.

A government decision to cut subsidies for refineries is likely worsen the availability of fuel in the world's biggest grain exporter.

Regional oil product depots in Russia's southern regions have had to cut or even suspend fuel sales, while retail filling stations were forced to limit fuel sale volumes to customers.

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"The Ai-92 gasoline is not available for retail sales in Krasnodar region, Adygea and Astrakhan, there is hardly any Ai-95 gasoline and diesel," a trader in Russia's south said.

Another trader said there have been no diesel sales at oil depots and there is no diesel on retail markets for the second week running in the whole Samara region, located in the Volga river region.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said on Wednesday that there were no fuel shortages.

But he also said government was working on measures to ensure a stable supply of it on the domestic market, including increasing levels of mandatory sales on exchanges and limiting the number of exporters.

FUEL CRUNCH

Traders said the shortages on the retail market followed by a sharp rise of wholesales prices. The state caps the retail prices, ordering the sellers to raise prices of gasoline and diesel only in line with official inflation.

Some farmers also complained about scarcity of fuel.

"There are shortages of fuel ... oil products prices rose in the range of between 10% and 20%," Andrei Neduzhko, director general of agricultural holding Step said in written comments.

His company operates in Russia's southern regions of Rostov, Krasnodar and Stavropol. He said, however, there are no risks to the autumn sowing campaign for his holding.

Wholesale diesel prices started to sharply rise in July. For the past two months commodity exchange diesel prices jumped on average by more than a quarter to 67,000 roubles ($700) per ton.

"We do not buy. The prices are crazy," an owner of a fuel depot said.

...


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-faces-domestic-fuel-crunch-braces-more-shortages-2023-08-31/

PS. This reminds me of an old joke: "What will happen if USSR occupies Sahara? -- Shortages of sand."

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