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@indc I don't claim that FarmersWon has shown any proof of anything.

Patrick says

But "patnet Nazi Ukey fluffer" is obviously intended to be a deliberate insult of other site users.

It's not even an insult. I don't think anyone here really cares outside of the tax payer dollars. Both countries are going to tear each other apart. There's no debate to be had. Cis had an issue with people attacking Russia's position in this conflict and it consumed him. No one gives a fuck, especially if you don't explain why one would should care. We don't. Russian and Ukrainians can die every day. I give zero shits.

I want my kids to be healthy and not get drafted into a mindless war over a bunch of dip ships over a 30 mile swath of land. Retardation on steroids.

clambo says

Maybe insulting is a cry for help; perhaps his wife is fat and annoying.

Yes, I think a lot of political anger is actually an expression of frustration with other parts of life.

He’ll be back. They always come back.

Patrick says

But "patnet Nazi Ukey fluffer" is obviously intended to be a deliberate insult of other site users.

Ignore really does work, and you don't have to click the button. I habitually skip over certain users posts because I know I have better ways to waste my time.

I am pretty passionate about some things. As soon as someone I am debating gets personal with, "conspiracy theorist" or "you're stupid" I know the debate is over.

Argumentum sententia non ad hominem.

How's my Latin grammar @Patrick ?

Looks right to me!

PeopleUnited says

I'm tempted to make a meme of Jesus being taken down from the cross with BRB, but I'd go to hell for that.

Patrick says

I'm tempted to make a meme of Jesus being taken down from the cross with BRB, but I'd go to hell for that.

God might judge you, but we won't :)

cisTits will definitely be missed. He was a contributor for sure, not just opinions, but knowledge and facts.

I have no problem with personal insults.

It's a question of how people handle it. You want to call me anything? Go ahead, I'll just use it to point out that you aren't attacking my reasoning, and this is because I believe that whoever is attacking me at least suspects I'm correct, and is outraged by the fact I'm right.

The reality in our current society is people who are correct are often libeled and slandered. COMPANIES are. Bitchute is filled with right wing extremists after all, so is GAB. That's what the "news" says. People have to get over these dumb insults. It's a method of control, either either conform with my demands, or I'll attack you personally. Well, go ahead, attack me personally.

@Patrick - maybe you should allow people to opt in for personal insults. The thing though is if they opt in, it takes a MONTH to opt out.

NuttBoxer says

cisTits will definitely be missed. He was a contributor for sure, not just opinions, but knowledge and facts.

Didn't find that to be the truth at all. Not by a long shot. Especially recent comments. I didn't care if he shat on people occasionally, but it was every comment and on topics he knew nothing about.

You have to come to the table with a viable comment at some point. I don't care about tit pics. I can just get that at home. The real deal. It was constantly "you're wrong" posts/comments with no data. Love or hate him that was the reality of his posts.

I think the withdrawal phase has him back in a month. Some men are too weak to be put in their spot instead of admitting they're wrong.

Patrick says

cisTits wanted permission to violate the first rule of the site, not deliberately insulting the other users. I decided that also means not deliberately insulting the other users as a group, as in "patnet Nazi Ukey fluffers", as he put it. Clearly that's a deliberate insult of other patrick.net users in particular, unlike saying, for example, "libtards", which isn't intended to deliberately insult other users of the site.

I can understand outrage at people being coerced into supporting another fucking war. Ukraine can't win unless, NATO gets directly involved, and that's WWIII. That's the end of everything. People who support this war are, unknowingly I think, risking world destruction.

I feel badly for the Ukrainians, but there was a solution offered. Perhaps Russia was lying about their demands, but their demands were pretty reasonable. There was no reason for Ukraine not to agree to end the civil war and remain neutral, but the US was involved, and for some insane reason, they want to attack Russia - I think primarily to control energy distribution to Europe and to have a justification for the MIC. They don't care of 100,000 or more Ukrainians will die as a result. It could be a MILLION.

I am so fucking disgusted with my government and I'm tired of the useful idiots. Our government lies about EVERY FUCKING WAR, and they are still supporting the US government's position on this fucking war. When will you learn? People who "support Ukraine", are they stupid, or are the intelligence, or are the colluding? Probably a combination of all 3.

This war can be ended, if the US gets the fuck out. The US is prolonging this war, and it's a war that have almost no chance of winning, it's just going to lead to mass death. Like ever fucking war the US government is involved with. We've been in 20 goddamned years of war, and what has it done for this nation? We have traitors running our State Department, or idiots, or both.

richwicks says

Patrick - maybe you should allow people to opt in for personal insults.

Lol, that never occurred to me.

You could do that right now informally I suppose by saying "go ahead and insult me".

What do you think a formal system would look like?

Cis has found us to be ineducable rabble. He has gone ineducable rabble mad.

richwicks says

This war can be ended, if the US gets the fuck out. The US is prolonging this war, and it's a war that have almost no chance of winning, it's just going to lead to mass death. Like ever fucking war the US government is involved with. We've been in 20 goddamned years of war, and what has it done for this nation? We have traitors running our State Department, or idiots, or both.

We lost less than Ukey's and Russia over a year compared to 20 years in the ME. YOU want this to go on so we don't fight future wars. I think you know this. Demographics exist. Long term, this war not continuing is the worst outcome for your or me.

It's take 2-3 decades for Russia/USSR to even get enough troops to do anything because they were decimate in WWII. They're digging their own grave currently. No one gives an actual shit about Ukraine. The war is over, they're just going to kill each other over the next 12-36 months. Call me out when I'm wrong. I won't be.

We're laundering money to military contractors, killing Ukrainians and Russians. Is this not obvious as fuck?

Patrick says

richwicks says

Patrick - maybe you should allow people to opt in for personal insults.

Lol, that never occurred to me.

You could do that right now informally I suppose by saying "go ahead and insult me".

What do you think a formal system would look like?

It could just be a button you can click.

Here's something, I don't think anything should be deleted either, unless somebody REALLY fucked up in a post. I don't mind moderation at all, but you should be able to see what people said.

It's fine, for example, for Twitter to label something as "hate speech" or whatever, but you should be able to say "well, I want to see what you call hate speech". Notice NOBODY does this.

There is definitely stuff I do NOT want to see, or EVER see. By default, maybe I should be automatically opted out of that, but I should be able to opt in. People who are labelled "anti-Semitic" for example, I don't find to be. Norman Finkelstein is said to be "anti-Semitic". He's Jewish, his parents were in slave labor camps. That man isn't allowed to speak.

Love the drama.

@Patrick - here's an idea.

I don't mind being put on a blacklist. There's 7 people that (currently) have put me on ignore, and I have no idea why, but I suspect it's my position on Ukraine. It might be my position on the Israeli/Palestine conflict.

Here's an idea - when people are placed on ignore, force them to explain why.

I cannot correct my thinking without having somebody explain "this is why I can't stand to listen to you anymore".

I have placed FarmersWon on ignore for a week or two, but I always remove this - it's not because I violently disagree with him, it's just what he advocates is so far our of my experience, what he talks about just doesn't matter to me. I'm too ignorant about the situation, and even if I was very educated about the situation, I have no stake in the fight. I can't be involved with his fight. First of all, I'm too ignorant, second of all, I have no stake. I can't be MORALLY involved, I can only talk about things MY nation does. I have some limited control over that, but I don't think I have any right to intervene between two groups that I have no part of.

richwicks says

This war can be ended, if the US gets the fuck out.

Wrong. The war can be ended only if the CCCP gets the fuck out and back inside their already generous borders. US is not even there in earnest even now and hasn't started its half-assed assistance until late April of 2022. The first "goodwill gesture" forced upon the Mongoloid horde of war criminals was done by Ukie force with old soviet weaponry (with some homegrown rocketry sprinkled in). If we stop the assistance now they won't stop fighting the genocidal Commie fucks, just like Afghans never stopped fighting their invaders. And Poland might jump in which is Sleepy Joe's and Scared Milly's worst nightmare, "because muh escaleyshun!". I think this is probably the only reason they are doing the bare minimum they do.

Eric Holder says

Wrong. The war can be ended only if the CCCP gets the fuck out and back inside their already generous borders. US is not even there in earnest even now and hasn't started its half-assed assistance until late April of 2022.

The US has spent more than the entire Russian military budget to support this war.

The only reason this war continues is because American taxpayers fund it.

Eric Holder says

The first "goodwill gesture" forced upon the Mongoloid horde of war criminals was done by Ukie force with old soviet weaponry

Look, you don't know. Stop listening to propaganda.

I remember when a bunch of Reddit twats (or were they Facebook?) sent out a bunch of video messages about "joining the fight", who were all killed by a hypersonic missile because Russian intelligence were able to pinpoint their position based on what was seen in the camera.

It's a gross error to underestimate your enemy. Russia is a formidable enemy, and doesn't need to be an enemy at all.

Eric Holder says

just like Afghans never stopped fighting their invaders.

They didn't stop fighting the US either, and they won, over a 20 year, brutal war.

Eric Holder says

And Poland might jump in which is Sleepy Joe's and Scared Milly's worst nightmare, "because muh escaleyshun!".

I'm half Polish. If the Polish people are so fucking stupid they want to get involved in the war, well, my best wishes to my split family. Good luck Bogdon.

It could be Cis is being doxxed and wants to remove his footprints here, could have nothing to do with the usual suspects. I think he mentioned losing a job once already by standing on principle.

WookieMan says

We're laundering money to military contractors, killing Ukrainians and Russians. Is this not obvious as fuck?

Yes, I think this is correct.

The goal is:

1. funnel taxpayer money to favored groups like military contractors and the Biden Crime Family
2. get Ukrainians and Russians to kill each other to weaken them both

Ceffer says

I think he mentioned losing a job once already by standing on principle.

Like an employer's searching up our patnet accounts? I don't think the internet even knows patnet exists, which is why I enjoy the liberty of saying all kinds of things that would get me perma-banned from my industry.

Patrick says

What do you think a formal system would look like?

A "Thick Skin" check box in our profile.

Or you could do a sneaky poll, by seeing just how 1A everyone is, by giving them 3 or 4 shades of Free Speech. From "Don't give a Fuck", to "Triggered easily"

Or realistically

Anything Goes
(tell me anything)

Just don't threaten me
(call me names, but don't threaten me, or discuss content that could cause problems or legal issues)

Keep It PG
(I have kids lurking no profanity, nudity, or inappropriate talk,)

Easily offended
(Best not to talk about religion or politics)

Not that you should do this, but you got me thinking now.

Then after people have updated their profiles from the default "Anything Goes". People will only see content and posts from people with top level down access. Those at the top tier can see all, the second can see third and fourth, and the third can see third and fourth and so on.
Then have a good AI reference to police people's posting content to their preferences. Those on the bottom rung, wont be able to subject folks to their one sided Political discussion. LOL because that's what the Left wants. They don't want censored speech, they just don't want those they disagree with saying anything. While they are expected to say anything they want, and still understand that it is their constitutional right. It's just not yours.

I think the Keep it PG folks would probably benefit the most. Some people like engaging conversation but spicy language and graphics turn them off.
They could enjoy discussing politics and religion with their friends, without having Liberals come shit on their threads with Deviants Demons crapping on them with Gay and Retarded shit.

NuttBoxer says

I don't think the internet even knows patnet exists

I blocked Google from indexing patrick.net a year or more ago:

https://patrick.net/robots.txt

User-Agent:GoogleBot
Disallow: /

I had a few reasons for that:

1. Copyright trolls look through Google images to know whom to harass with threats of lawsuits. I've already been threatened by one.
2. Patrick.net had already been deranked into oblivion for being politically incorrect, so no big loss for me.
3. The less good content on Google, the better for the whole world.

Patrick.net is indexed by all the other big search engines, but they have much less traffic than Google.

Tenpoundbass says

People will only see content and posts from people with top level down access. Those at the top tier can see all, the second can see third and fourth, and the third can see third and fourth and so on.

But just like with the "ignore" function, you'd still see quotes from people you might not want to see.

It would be pretty hard to actively filter out quotes, because I just let people type whatever they want, mostly.

NuttBoxer says

Like an employer's searching up our patnet accounts? I don't think the internet even knows patnet exists, which is why I enjoy the liberty of saying all kinds of things that would get me perma-banned from my industry.

But if you don't tell people who you are, you're pretty damn anonymous on patrick.net already.

I guess obscurity provides another level of anonymity, but I'd honestly rather have many more people using the site and was thinking of implementing an "invite" feature where you can type in an email address and send someone an invitation to join the site and reply to a given comment or thread. The invitee would have only to click on a link to become logged in and reply to that comment or thread.

Should I do that? Would anyone here actually invite anyone? The invitee name would get a message saying something like "Cistits has invited you to reply to this thread on patrick.net..."

Ceffer says

It could be Cis is being doxxed and wants to remove his footprints here, could have nothing to do with the usual suspects. I think he mentioned losing a job once already by standing on principle.

I also was fired from Trulia for running this site. I don't know whether it was my real estate posts or my generally politically incorrect opinions, but whatever.

richwicks says

It's fine, for example, for Twitter to label something as "hate speech" or whatever, but you should be able to say "well, I want to see what you call hate speech". Notice NOBODY does this.

I do this!

For every comment marked "personal" you can do a "view source" in the browser and find the offending comment with a bit of work. The extra work is intended, but the comment is available.

Patrick says

WookieMan says

We're laundering money to military contractors, killing Ukrainians and Russians. Is this not obvious as fuck?

Yes, I think this is correct.

The goal is:

1. funnel taxpayer money to favored groups like military contractors and the Biden Crime Family
2. get Ukrainians and Russians to kill each other to weaken them both

This is the objective. Love or hate it. As long as Western Europe stays out of it, NATO, this is a win for the entire region. Let them drink and shoot artillery at each other. I have Ukrainian born family members. Let them kill each other. They could sell the land overnight and stop this. The Russians already have Crimea. This is an ethnic conflict.

Russia is the aggressor. Someone can say otherwise and can bring up 2014. They gave up nukes under the assumption they'd be protected and Russia didn't want them joining NATO. Russia has made the problem. I don't care about either if I'm being honest. Have fun lobbing Soviet era munitions and N. Korean munitions at each other. This is like watching 2 year olds fight in a sand box.

Ukraine has nukes. That's all BS they got rid of them. This would be over already if they didn't. Moscow would be a mushroom cloud in minutes and all their other land is shit. Russia is in a they're fucked zone. Get close to Poland and see what happens....

richwicks says

Norman Finkelstein is said to be "anti-Semitic". He's Jewish, his parents were in slave labor camps. That man isn't allowed to speak.

I actually own and read his book, The Holocaust Industry:

https://search.brave.com/search?q=The+Holocaust+Industry

He's hated because he's telling the truth about that.

Patrick says

I'm tempted to make a meme of Jesus being taken down from the cross with BRB, but I'd go to hell for that.

LOL no, God has a sense of humor. I imagine Jesus would laugh at the meme. He would, “get it”. Fact of the matter is, He did say he was coming back, and since time is measured against the backdrop of eternity, He clearly will be back soon just like he said he would be.

Here is an encouraging thought for believers: God made the world in 6 days. And it is pretty amazing! Well, he has had 2000 years to get heaven ready for us, so words clearly cannot describe how amazing that must be!

And while you think on how Amazing heaven must be. Remember we have a highway to hell and just a stairway to heaven. That tells us a lot about the expected traffic to each destination.

Maranatha!

Finklestein is an old fashioned Socialist One-Worlder

"No, I do not support a two-state solution. I don't support states. I remain an old-fashioned communist. I see no value whatsoever in states. If the borders were to disappear between every state in the world, I think it would be a much happier place

https://web.archive.org/web/20100909132035/http://www.counterpunch.org/bruinsma01052008.html

I miss the old Debate Formats and Free Speech, because on one hand the Government-Media-Corporate complex is crushing speech, and on the other, people who are easily refuted gain cred because they're never challenged by an informed counter-opinion.

WookieMan says

This is an ethnic conflict.

I don’t think it is that simple. The best analogy we Americans might have is this. (We took over Hawaii, put military bases, nuclear reactors the power the islands - that part is not true for Hawaii but it is true for Ukraine. We sent our people to settle the region. And then Hawaii decides to be come a sovereign nation again, only now the Chinese start running biological weapons labs, buying politicians and extremist military powers start shelling the remaining loyalist Americans who live in Hawaii.

That is kinda what happened with Ukraine, only worse than that because the mainland USA has plenty of warm water ports, but without Crimea Russia did not.

So this is so much more complex than just an ethnic conflict.

Not that I am taking sides, but for Russia they view Ukraine as not only their historical and heavily invested territory and their people but also essential to their greatness as nation and aspirations of influence in the world.

AmericanKulak says

Finklestein is an old fashioned Socialist One-Worlder

Well, I don't agree with him on that. But I think he's correct about the Holocaust Industry.

PeopleUnited says

I don’t think it is that simple. The best analogy we Americans might have is this. (We took over Hawaii, put military bases, nuclear reactors the power the islands - that part is not true for Hawaii but it is true for Ukraine. We sent our people to settle the region. And then Hawaii decides to be come a sovereign nation again, only now the Chinese start running biological weapons labs, buying politicians and extremist military powers start shelling the remaining loyalist Americans who live in Hawaii.

I will try to improve your analogy:

After Hawaii is taken over and improved, the United States breaks up, each state, including Hawaii, becomes independent. California forms the Californian Federation which some of the other states join. The leader of the Californians considers the break-up of the United States to be the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. He sends his troops to invade Hawaii.

Tenpoundbass says

Then have a good AI reference to police people's posting content to their preferences.

OR
Onvacation says

Argumentum Sententia non ad Hominem

We're just a bunch of, more or less, anonymous people sharing ideas, jokes, points of view, memes, funny and sexy pics, and often, educated opinions.

Argue Ideas not the Man. And ignore those that aren't worth arguing with.

Patrick says

It would be pretty hard to actively filter out quotes, because I just let people type whatever they want, mostly.

The idea is you're censored by a post parser, based on their 1A choice. Triggered people, can't see people who can post more risque content, and the post filter wont let them post censored content. Make Woke people live by their own rules.

By putting all of the grunt work in policing the poster's content based on their own posting policy they chose.
Then the content they can see, can be a simple filter on their preference, seeing other's who have already been sanitized for the appropriate audience
You don't have to do any further processing to keep everyone happy. The posts are sanitized on submission. Those who don't have filters, wont need processing, the tiers in the middle just need "Threat checkers" or "Potty Mouth" filter. The last tier the "PC Filter" that's the tricky one that will take a good AI algorithm. I wonder if ChatGPT can be trained to recognize a piece of text is being political or religious, without being biased. I'm sure it can recognize MAGA politics. But how well would it pick up subtle petty partisan politics regardless of side?