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2023 May 25, 9:26pm 1,103 views 18 comments
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indc
2023 May 25, 9:35pm
Drug overdose will kill users.
Car accidents are inevitable. We cannot live without cars.
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
How are these equivalent?
Car accidents are inevitable. We cannot live without cars.
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
How are these equivalent?
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Onvacation
2023 May 25, 10:44pm
Onvacation
2023 May 25, 10:44pm
indc says
And knife homicides can be prevented if we have no knifes. Get rid of rocks and rock murder will be history.
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
And knife homicides can be prevented if we have no knifes. Get rid of rocks and rock murder will be history.
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yawaraf
2023 May 26, 3:21am
indc says
indc you seem to argue that cars are necessary, therefore we must accept the collateral damage that they bring.
I would argue that guns are also necessary and therefore we must accept that some people will use guns to commit crimes. There are evil people from whom we need to defend ourselves. For example, in case of a home invasion, are guns not necessary so that the homeowner can protect himself and his family?
We cannot live without cars.
indc you seem to argue that cars are necessary, therefore we must accept the collateral damage that they bring.
I would argue that guns are also necessary and therefore we must accept that some people will use guns to commit crimes. There are evil people from whom we need to defend ourselves. For example, in case of a home invasion, are guns not necessary so that the homeowner can protect himself and his family?
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DhammaStep
2023 May 26, 3:59am
indc says
Another person that has never opened a single history book in their life.
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
Another person that has never opened a single history book in their life.
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indc
2023 May 26, 2:11pm
Onvacation says
Do you have any statistics on how many homicides happen because of knifes. Or rocks?
indc says
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
And knife homicides can be prevented if we have no knifes. Get rid of rocks and rock murder will be history.
Do you have any statistics on how many homicides happen because of knifes. Or rocks?
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indc
2023 May 26, 2:15pm
yawaraf says
I agree. My concern always is with AR's. If someone can give statistics separating AR and handguns I would accept it.
indc says
We cannot live without cars.
indc you seem to argue that cars are necessary, therefore we must accept the collateral damage that they bring.
I would argue that guns are also necessary and therefore we must accept that some people will use guns to commit crimes. There are evil people from whom we need to defend ourselves. For example, in case of a home invasion, are guns not necessary so that the homeowner can protect himself and his family?
I agree. My concern always is with AR's. If someone can give statistics separating AR and handguns I would accept it.
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indc
2023 May 26, 2:17pm
DhammaStep says
I dont know what you mean. But I want to say history is filled with barbarians.
indc says
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
Another person that has never opened a single history book in their life.
I dont know what you mean. But I want to say history is filled with barbarians.
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Onvacation
2023 May 26, 2:19pm
Onvacation
2023 May 26, 2:19pm
indc says
No. But there would be a lot more knife and rock murders if we had no guns 'cause murderers are going to murder.
"An armed society is a polite society." Robert A. Heinlein
Do you have any statistics on how many homicides happen because of knifes. Or rocks?
No. But there would be a lot more knife and rock murders if we had no guns 'cause murderers are going to murder.
"An armed society is a polite society." Robert A. Heinlein
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clambo
2023 May 26, 5:01pm
Another little known factoid from the CDC: 12,000 people a year die from falling down stairs.
I thought that only happened on Alfred Hitchcock, Twilight Zone, etc.
As for myself, I am not going to live in a place where I have to climb stairs, no thanks.
Off the subject; how many guys are nagged to death?
I thought that only happened on Alfred Hitchcock, Twilight Zone, etc.
As for myself, I am not going to live in a place where I have to climb stairs, no thanks.
Off the subject; how many guys are nagged to death?
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richwicks
2023 May 26, 5:26pm
richwicks
2023 May 26, 5:26pm
yawaraf says
It's part of the brandname ARmalite. Nearly all their guns are "AR" something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite#(ArmaLite,_Inc._1996%E2%80%93present)
What are AR's?
It's part of the brandname ARmalite. Nearly all their guns are "AR" something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite#(ArmaLite,_Inc._1996%E2%80%93present)
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goofus
2023 May 26, 6:15pm
indc says
Mexico and Brazil both have strict gun control and far higher homicide rates than the US, even with our gang violence. The US also suffers from open borders with a narco-cartel state, which smuggles weapons, drugs, and humans (some voluntarily, some not) to our cities. How can one have any discussion of gun control in the midst of millions of migrants and materials crossing the border? The laws would impact only the law-abiding, at a time when police have stepped down efforts to stop crime. Sounds like a great way to become a statistic.
Drug overdose will kill users.
Car accidents are inevitable. We cannot live without cars.
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
How are these equivalent?
Mexico and Brazil both have strict gun control and far higher homicide rates than the US, even with our gang violence. The US also suffers from open borders with a narco-cartel state, which smuggles weapons, drugs, and humans (some voluntarily, some not) to our cities. How can one have any discussion of gun control in the midst of millions of migrants and materials crossing the border? The laws would impact only the law-abiding, at a time when police have stepped down efforts to stop crime. Sounds like a great way to become a statistic.
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Reality
2023 May 26, 7:37pm
indc says
Of all people, Indians (and many other populations that have a long history of living around the periphery of Eurasian continent) should have known that governments are often run by barbarians; e.g. in the case of Indian subcontinent, the Vedic barbarians over-running the civilized people of Hrappa.
"Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns" How do you propose to disarm all governments of the world? So long as there are people who are willing/eager to follow orders, especially follow orders in order to get paid or get promotions, gun ownership can not be monopolized by "the government," which is usually staffed by disproportionally Narcissistic people. The military and the police members have 16x higher percentage of diagonosed Narcissistic Personality Disorders than the civilian population. It was not a co-incidence that shortly after Germans were disarmed, the Nazi and Gestapo no longer feared getting shot when they invaded people's homes and threw grandpas off the staircases; it was not a co-incidence that shortly after the Soviet citizens were disarmed, their government rolled out gulags; it was not a co-incidence that shortly after the Chinese government disarmed their citizens, their government fell to communists. A society that puts premium on "education" and credentials is not capable of defending itself against barbarians through government channels alone, as their governments usually become highly corrupt and inefficient (just look at the police stand-downs and kneeling to criminals during BLM riots); an armed citizenry becomes necessary as the last bulwark against barbarians.
Governments taken over and run by barbarians in the 20th century alone (usually in the form of "communists" and "national socialists," both were agents sponsored by bankers bent on killing account holders in order to avoid having to pay back the money) were responsible for more than 100 million deaths. That number is far greater than all the homicides carried out by private individuals.
DhammaStep says
indc says
Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns.
Another person that has never opened a single history book in their life.
I dont know what you mean. But I want to say history is filled with barbarians.
Of all people, Indians (and many other populations that have a long history of living around the periphery of Eurasian continent) should have known that governments are often run by barbarians; e.g. in the case of Indian subcontinent, the Vedic barbarians over-running the civilized people of Hrappa.
"Gun-homicides can be prevented if there are no guns" How do you propose to disarm all governments of the world? So long as there are people who are willing/eager to follow orders, especially follow orders in order to get paid or get promotions, gun ownership can not be monopolized by "the government," which is usually staffed by disproportionally Narcissistic people. The military and the police members have 16x higher percentage of diagonosed Narcissistic Personality Disorders than the civilian population. It was not a co-incidence that shortly after Germans were disarmed, the Nazi and Gestapo no longer feared getting shot when they invaded people's homes and threw grandpas off the staircases; it was not a co-incidence that shortly after the Soviet citizens were disarmed, their government rolled out gulags; it was not a co-incidence that shortly after the Chinese government disarmed their citizens, their government fell to communists. A society that puts premium on "education" and credentials is not capable of defending itself against barbarians through government channels alone, as their governments usually become highly corrupt and inefficient (just look at the police stand-downs and kneeling to criminals during BLM riots); an armed citizenry becomes necessary as the last bulwark against barbarians.
Governments taken over and run by barbarians in the 20th century alone (usually in the form of "communists" and "national socialists," both were agents sponsored by bankers bent on killing account holders in order to avoid having to pay back the money) were responsible for more than 100 million deaths. That number is far greater than all the homicides carried out by private individuals.
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HeadSet
2023 May 26, 8:18pm
HeadSet
2023 May 26, 8:18pm
richwicks says
Armalite Rifle
It's part of the brandname ARmalite. Nearly all their guns are "AR" something.
Armalite Rifle
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tomtomtom
2023 May 26, 9:22pm
The striking growth of death from overdose is thanks to the prescription opioids. The Government and the established media know about it but the lobbying dollars are just so sweet.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Jul 23, 6:06pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Jul 23, 6:06pm
An interesting perspective on gun violence and gun control:
Out of 193 countries, the United States is #3 in gun violence numbers.
However:
If you exclude the 5 U.S. cities with the most gun violence—-
St. Louis, Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Chicago—
all “blue” cities with very strict gun control laws —
Then the USA drops to number 189 in gun violence.
Which just goes to prove that before you can begin to solve a problem…..
…. you have to understand what the problem is.
Out of 193 countries, the United States is #3 in gun violence numbers.
However:
If you exclude the 5 U.S. cities with the most gun violence—-
St. Louis, Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Chicago—
all “blue” cities with very strict gun control laws —
Then the USA drops to number 189 in gun violence.
Which just goes to prove that before you can begin to solve a problem…..
…. you have to understand what the problem is.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/deaths-by-demographics/sex-age-and-cause/
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/
The media establishment (e.g. NPR) focuses only on the gun-related topics and not on the most accurate issues. This behavior shows that the corporate media are adversaries to the nation.