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RWSGFY
2023 Jun 1, 8:36am
RWSGFY
2023 Jun 1, 8:36am
In conclusion: if your source of "unfiltered truth" is a stupid cunt who hasn't been right about anything ever and still lacks self-reflection to stop going on teevee and embarass himself over and over again, your rants about unfairness of the world are completely justified. The world IS hostile to low-IQ individuals.
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goofus
2023 Jun 1, 1:47pm
RWSGFY says
Col MacGregor, along with many others, underestimated the Ukrainian govt’s willingness to fling its men into a meat grinder. Russia expected Zelenskyy to come to the table, and asked at minimum five times, most recently with China as peace broker, for an agreement.
What MacGregor has consistently been right in, is the heavy losses Ukraine has suffered both civilian and militarily, and the idea that any peace would be better for the Ukrainian people than a slow moving, lethal juggernaut. Most recently we learned that Ukrainian military losses outnumber Russian by a 7:1 ratio and, including civilian deaths, nearly 200,000 Ukrainians have been killed in the first year of fighting.
When MacGregor says Ukraine is losing, he means as a people and a nation. Now Zelenskyy is meeting with our 4th branch of government, BlackRock, to sell Ukrainian farmland and mineral resources. Are they his to give? This is not a United States with millions of hectares of BLM land to lease. The land has had peasant farmers on it. But whoops, they’re all conscripted (men ages 16-60 are required), and the women sent abroad as refugees.
What a tragedy for the Ukrainian people to have this US puppet, now enriched beyond imagining, entrench the country in war “until the last Ukrainian.” In fact I think he means it literally. He of course not being ethnically Ukrainian, and of a group that served as commissars and Holodomor enforcers in the 1920s and 30s. There is no love from Jewish Ukrainians for the modern descendants of Cossacks.
McGregor in interview with Fox news on Feb 27, 2022:
"The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over, all of the Ukrainian troops there have been largely surrounded and cut off. You have a concentration down in the Southeast of 30 or 40,000 of them, and if they don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them."
Col MacGregor, along with many others, underestimated the Ukrainian govt’s willingness to fling its men into a meat grinder. Russia expected Zelenskyy to come to the table, and asked at minimum five times, most recently with China as peace broker, for an agreement.
What MacGregor has consistently been right in, is the heavy losses Ukraine has suffered both civilian and militarily, and the idea that any peace would be better for the Ukrainian people than a slow moving, lethal juggernaut. Most recently we learned that Ukrainian military losses outnumber Russian by a 7:1 ratio and, including civilian deaths, nearly 200,000 Ukrainians have been killed in the first year of fighting.
When MacGregor says Ukraine is losing, he means as a people and a nation. Now Zelenskyy is meeting with our 4th branch of government, BlackRock, to sell Ukrainian farmland and mineral resources. Are they his to give? This is not a United States with millions of hectares of BLM land to lease. The land has had peasant farmers on it. But whoops, they’re all conscripted (men ages 16-60 are required), and the women sent abroad as refugees.
What a tragedy for the Ukrainian people to have this US puppet, now enriched beyond imagining, entrench the country in war “until the last Ukrainian.” In fact I think he means it literally. He of course not being ethnically Ukrainian, and of a group that served as commissars and Holodomor enforcers in the 1920s and 30s. There is no love from Jewish Ukrainians for the modern descendants of Cossacks.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 1, 2:38pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 1, 2:38pm
PeopleUnited says
I think there would have been more support if the Internet didn't exist.
PeopleUnited says
The election in 2000 between Gore and Bush was most likely stolen. Gore probably actually won. I would argue many more people have stuck to their position this time around.
Notice I'm not partisan. I believe it's also possible that Kerry won in 2004. I'm quite confident Obama actually did win in 2008 and 2012. Neither John McCain nor Romney really tried to win. We had to switch to a Democrat Neocon to maintain credibility in the election system.
PeopleUnited says
They are more obvious than ever. Cold War narrative, Vietnam narrative, Qaddafi narrative, Lebanon narrative, WWII narrative, they are almost completely accepted. The ones you listed, are 1/2 accepted, any narrative before 1990 is almost completely accepted. JFK's murder by the CIA is the only one I can think of that isn't.
PeopleUnited says
I don't think there's many people that don't realize Epstein was intelligence working on behalf of Israel, Mi6, and some US intelligence agencies to blackmail politicians and business leaders. Prince Andrew is basically in disgrace now.
And of course anything coming out would be "discredited", but it wouldn't be discredited, it would be attacked, and people now think "I think the lady doth protest too much.."
PeopleUnited says
I'd agree, but the more false and true information that is shared, the easier it is to recognize good information. There was no good information before 1990. The little tidbits you'd get was rare, and I remember what that was like. I remember when I first heard about MKUltra, everybody just dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. Well, it was in the Church Committee hearings of 1975. Operation Ajax and PBSuccess were called conspiracy theories until the late 1990s, and everybody thought that's what they were.
I am telling you though DIRECT experience we're getting a wiser population.
PeopleUnited says
No. The result of cracking down and trying to control the narrative allows people to instantly know what "the narrative" is. Fact checkers are propagandists, gatekeepers hide the truth, "Russian bots" are truth tellers, "reliable sources" are propagandists. Since Google, Facebook, and Twitter were censored, it's FAR easier to know what the government is lying about. If the "fact checkers" say that "the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation", they just told you it was true. That alone told you it was authentic.
PeopleUnited says
I don't think meta information can be hidden, that is, who you are talking to but you don't need a shared key. There are two methods, RSA and ECC. You can combine them as well to make them more complex to solve. Security is hard, meaning, you can understand it, come up with a "brilliant" implementation, only to find out that you make this LITTLE error, and severely compromised security. It takes a team, and my math isn't good enough to be an analyst in security. It's super hard.
PeopleUnited says
Yes, this is true. Think of the start of a system as being abiogenesis. We have NO IDEA how life started, we just know it existed. I'm saying it doesn't matter how initial conditions formed, what matters is that it evolves from that point. Maybe the conditions to start life WAS created by some entity, could have been an alien species, but then how was THAT created? Say God created the initial conditions, but what created God? It's an endless series of questions. To me "God" as an explanation is "I don't know, but something had to do it", but ascribing a bunch of properties on this God, I think is wrong. We can't know if there's even a mind to a creator, or if it's just unfathomably intelligent.
Heck, we could all be computer simulations, that's in another computer simulation, that in another computer simulation, etc, etc, etc. There might be a BILLION levels to reality, or an infinite number. Maybe it's in every intelligent creature's makeup to create life, over and over and over again. Maybe intelligence is compelled to create intelligence. People can speculate all day, but that's it.
PeopleUnited says
"Bird" and "mammal", there are just human descriptions. In a billion years, a "bird" might not exist, a mammal might not even exist, but a descendant from one might.
You can't really say that the common ancestor of man and ape was "a monkey", it was neither.
Look at the design of a spider and dog. They are entirely different, maybe we had two entirely different starts of life, and that's why. Maybe 3? Who knows. I know I don't know and I never will.
I appreciate your faith, I share much of your morality (or at least stated morality). I just can't believe that the creator of all this creates all this life, man alone has a soul, and unless you suck up to God, he'll torture you for eternity. I can't think of anybody or anything I would torture eternally no matter what they did.
But they sure were able to gain support for the Ukraine fiasco.
I think there would have been more support if the Internet didn't exist.
PeopleUnited says
Umm, they still claim the 2020 and 2022 elections were the most secure elections ever. And most people believe that BS. It doesn’t matter if you debunk it, if people don’t listen to it.
The election in 2000 between Gore and Bush was most likely stolen. Gore probably actually won. I would argue many more people have stuck to their position this time around.
Notice I'm not partisan. I believe it's also possible that Kerry won in 2004. I'm quite confident Obama actually did win in 2008 and 2012. Neither John McCain nor Romney really tried to win. We had to switch to a Democrat Neocon to maintain credibility in the election system.
PeopleUnited says
Covid narrative, Ukraine Narrative, global warming narrative, J6 narrative, DEI/white privilege narrative, they are all alive and well. The deception is more prevalent today, and the lies more egregious today than ever
They are more obvious than ever. Cold War narrative, Vietnam narrative, Qaddafi narrative, Lebanon narrative, WWII narrative, they are almost completely accepted. The ones you listed, are 1/2 accepted, any narrative before 1990 is almost completely accepted. JFK's murder by the CIA is the only one I can think of that isn't.
PeopleUnited says
Let’s say someone snuck into Epstein island or some place like that, recorded some crime or atrocity perpetrated by globalist shills, and then posted it on the internet. It would be instantly discredited, labeled a deep fake and cast aside as the work of extremists. The problem is not that people don’t know the truth, it’s that they refuse to/are cowed into not believing what they see and hear.
I don't think there's many people that don't realize Epstein was intelligence working on behalf of Israel, Mi6, and some US intelligence agencies to blackmail politicians and business leaders. Prince Andrew is basically in disgrace now.
And of course anything coming out would be "discredited", but it wouldn't be discredited, it would be attacked, and people now think "I think the lady doth protest too much.."
PeopleUnited says
Information sharing is a good thing, as long as the information is good. Most of it is not.
I'd agree, but the more false and true information that is shared, the easier it is to recognize good information. There was no good information before 1990. The little tidbits you'd get was rare, and I remember what that was like. I remember when I first heard about MKUltra, everybody just dismissed it as a conspiracy theory. Well, it was in the Church Committee hearings of 1975. Operation Ajax and PBSuccess were called conspiracy theories until the late 1990s, and everybody thought that's what they were.
I am telling you though DIRECT experience we're getting a wiser population.
PeopleUnited says
And so while the internet allows people to see and know things they never could have, the majority of it is counterproductive. Worse than that it is full of gatekeepers and trackers. And ultimately they will begin to restrict access to only those who fall in line with the narrative.
No. The result of cracking down and trying to control the narrative allows people to instantly know what "the narrative" is. Fact checkers are propagandists, gatekeepers hide the truth, "Russian bots" are truth tellers, "reliable sources" are propagandists. Since Google, Facebook, and Twitter were censored, it's FAR easier to know what the government is lying about. If the "fact checkers" say that "the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation", they just told you it was true. That alone told you it was authentic.
PeopleUnited says
You mentioned encryption in a previous post. It is a noble thought, but there is no way to hide from their surveillance. Sure you can share messages with those who have the key, but the message is still traceable, even if it cannot be understood.
I don't think meta information can be hidden, that is, who you are talking to but you don't need a shared key. There are two methods, RSA and ECC. You can combine them as well to make them more complex to solve. Security is hard, meaning, you can understand it, come up with a "brilliant" implementation, only to find out that you make this LITTLE error, and severely compromised security. It takes a team, and my math isn't good enough to be an analyst in security. It's super hard.
PeopleUnited says
You said in another thread that AI and programming now days is based on evolution. That is interesting, but it is not exactly true. The source code for all evolutionary changes is written by the creator. So any model based on evolution is based on the creation, the design of the Creator!
Yes, this is true. Think of the start of a system as being abiogenesis. We have NO IDEA how life started, we just know it existed. I'm saying it doesn't matter how initial conditions formed, what matters is that it evolves from that point. Maybe the conditions to start life WAS created by some entity, could have been an alien species, but then how was THAT created? Say God created the initial conditions, but what created God? It's an endless series of questions. To me "God" as an explanation is "I don't know, but something had to do it", but ascribing a bunch of properties on this God, I think is wrong. We can't know if there's even a mind to a creator, or if it's just unfathomably intelligent.
Heck, we could all be computer simulations, that's in another computer simulation, that in another computer simulation, etc, etc, etc. There might be a BILLION levels to reality, or an infinite number. Maybe it's in every intelligent creature's makeup to create life, over and over and over again. Maybe intelligence is compelled to create intelligence. People can speculate all day, but that's it.
PeopleUnited says
The ducks offspring and ancestors will always be birds. The platypus’ offspring and ancestors will always be mammals.
"Bird" and "mammal", there are just human descriptions. In a billion years, a "bird" might not exist, a mammal might not even exist, but a descendant from one might.
You can't really say that the common ancestor of man and ape was "a monkey", it was neither.
Look at the design of a spider and dog. They are entirely different, maybe we had two entirely different starts of life, and that's why. Maybe 3? Who knows. I know I don't know and I never will.
I appreciate your faith, I share much of your morality (or at least stated morality). I just can't believe that the creator of all this creates all this life, man alone has a soul, and unless you suck up to God, he'll torture you for eternity. I can't think of anybody or anything I would torture eternally no matter what they did.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 1, 2:53pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 1, 2:53pm
goofus says
Yeah, that's pretty much what I think. I'm in complete agreement.
People who say "oh you have to support Ukraine" don't realize that by "supporting" Ukraine, they are helping destroy it. You want to support Ukraine? Broker a cease to hostilities as soon as possible. It's like "support the troops" - you want to do that - bring them home.
Everything is inverted. We bombed Libya to prevent a humanitarian crisis, and created one instead.
What a tragedy for the Ukrainian people to have this US puppet, now enriched beyond imagining, entrench the country in war “until the last Ukrainian.” In fact I think he means it literally. He of course not being ethnically Ukrainian, and of a group that served as commissars and Holodomor enforcers in the 1920s and 30s. There is no love from Jewish Ukrainians for the modern descendants of Cossacks.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I think. I'm in complete agreement.
People who say "oh you have to support Ukraine" don't realize that by "supporting" Ukraine, they are helping destroy it. You want to support Ukraine? Broker a cease to hostilities as soon as possible. It's like "support the troops" - you want to do that - bring them home.
Everything is inverted. We bombed Libya to prevent a humanitarian crisis, and created one instead.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 1, 10:08pm
PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 1, 10:08pm
richwicks says
Like Zelenskiy would have been invited to speak to Congress twice instead of once, and we’d have blown up Nordstrom one and two?richwicks says
This was done to neuter the anti war crowd. The anti war crowd was always primarily democrats, by installing BHO they got to continue the wars unopposed, with popularity of the warmongering president. And the dipshit Dems were too busy fawning over their DEI President to realize he was just as big a warmonger as Bush.richwicks says
The world turned on the narratives I mentioned. The narratives are still alive and policy and religious like following is pushing those narratives, they are being used to justify imprisonment, medical tyranny, famine, poverty, discrimination And eventually the antiGod narrative will result in genocide.
richwicks says
It’s not blackmail, you got it backwards. The guys who spent time getting their jollies with Epstein were being “rewarded” for their faithful service to the globalists. Why else would they go back again and again? What did the deep state globalists gain by “blackmailing” and then discrediting Prince Andrew? Nothing, because that is not what happened. He simply was caught with his pants down and was too stupid to pivot the narrative. But the point is that that is what wealthy people do, they use others, including willing young women who should know better than to accept money for spending time with older men. The wealthy can buy and get whatever they want, and they sometimes reward heir faithful servants with filthy lucre like Epstein Island Jolies. The point was not to entrap and blackmail, it was to “reward” the people who already work for the deep state by providing a “service” to these scumbag despicable perverts we call politicians and business leaders, a service that was both illegal and unobtainable to law abiding normies. But none of them will ever be made an example of and Epstein was Epsteined just in case to make sure the true story of the service he provided never got out. Not blackmail, but perverted rewards for globalist collaborators, rewards they can’t get anywhere else. It like a drug to these bastards, they don’t need to be blackmailed, they are junkies to their own perversion.richwicks says
Yes there was, you just didn’t know it, weren’t looking for it or did not know anyone who could point you to it. I grew up reading excellent material and talking about the truth of what is going on in this world face to face with based individuals. Most of the stuff on the internet is not true, look at how many people believe in so many silly conspiracies (Biden is dead and body doubles do his public appearances for example) it is just ridiculous. The internet is just TV made accessible to the common person to become a content contributor, the most extreme click bait gets the attention and the advertising dollars that come with it. It’s all about money just like anything else. Patnet is one of the few places on the internet that is not about making money in any way shape or form (though clearly Patrick would like to make money, wouldn’t we all?) Don’t pretend the internet is more noble than TV, it is just the evolution of media.richwicks says
I work with the general public and the educated elites. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that while the common man has more common sense than the educated fools there is actually less capability to reason and decipher truth today than there was even 20 years ago. People are not wiser by any means. The narratives of today would have been laughed at as farces just a generation ago.richwicks says
Nope, it doesn’t work like that. It takes months or years before people realize they’ve been hoodwinked but by then it is too late. Biden “wins” and the globalists get their man in power.richwicks says
That’s my point, they already know everything they need to know, and soon they will shut down anyone who dares counter the narrative. Even associating with those who counter the narrative will warrant punishment. Truth is treason in the empire of globalist lies.
richwicks says
To me saying “We can't know if there's even a mind to a creator, or if it's just unfathomably intelligent.
Heck, we could all be computer simulations, that's in another computer simulation, that in another computer simulation, etc, etc, etc. There might be a BILLION levels to reality, or an infinite number. Maybe it's in every intelligent creature's makeup to create life, over and over and over again. Maybe intelligence is compelled to create intelligence. People can speculate all day, but that's it.”
Is not just wrong it is deliberately ignorant. God tells us exactly who He is, what He has done and what He is going to do. There is no speculation. There is simply acceptance of what He says and living a life based on that acceptance, or rejecting of what He says and living a life based on some lie that will ultimately drown your soul in sorrow and hopelessness.
richwicks says
Not maybe, absolutely. Maybe it happened just like God said it did in Genesis. What if everything He said is true?richwicks says
God knows, and He will tell you, if you will listen.richwicks says
What if you are wrong, and one day soon you will know all these thing and more?
richwicks says
That is a false narrative. The truth is that God created the entire universe, and He did so to put humans on the pedestal of this Creation. He gave humans freedom to rule the earth, with only one rule to obey. But humans broke that one rule, giving Satan temporary dominion over the Earth that should have been ruled by men who were in fellowship with God. Instead men broke their fellowship with God, and brought condemnation on themselves with their choice to sin. But even after men rejected God’s rule in favor of the lies of the Devil, again God showed His favor on man a second time by offering to pay the sin debt in place of every single person. God doesn’t ask us to suck up to Him to earn his favor, he offers the gift of forgiveness freely to all who will accept it. He didn’t tell us to earn it, He told us He earned it for us, we just need to receive it.
Did you ever wonder why God said to Adam that he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit, but Adam didn’t die that day ?
I think there would have been more support if the Internet didn't exist.
Like Zelenskiy would have been invited to speak to Congress twice instead of once, and we’d have blown up Nordstrom one and two?richwicks says
We had to switch to a Democrat Neocon
This was done to neuter the anti war crowd. The anti war crowd was always primarily democrats, by installing BHO they got to continue the wars unopposed, with popularity of the warmongering president. And the dipshit Dems were too busy fawning over their DEI President to realize he was just as big a warmonger as Bush.richwicks says
The ones you listed, are 1/2 accepted
The world turned on the narratives I mentioned. The narratives are still alive and policy and religious like following is pushing those narratives, they are being used to justify imprisonment, medical tyranny, famine, poverty, discrimination And eventually the antiGod narrative will result in genocide.
richwicks says
Epstein was intelligence working on behalf of Israel, Mi6, and some US intelligence agencies to blackmail politicians and business leaders.
It’s not blackmail, you got it backwards. The guys who spent time getting their jollies with Epstein were being “rewarded” for their faithful service to the globalists. Why else would they go back again and again? What did the deep state globalists gain by “blackmailing” and then discrediting Prince Andrew? Nothing, because that is not what happened. He simply was caught with his pants down and was too stupid to pivot the narrative. But the point is that that is what wealthy people do, they use others, including willing young women who should know better than to accept money for spending time with older men. The wealthy can buy and get whatever they want, and they sometimes reward heir faithful servants with filthy lucre like Epstein Island Jolies. The point was not to entrap and blackmail, it was to “reward” the people who already work for the deep state by providing a “service” to these scumbag despicable perverts we call politicians and business leaders, a service that was both illegal and unobtainable to law abiding normies. But none of them will ever be made an example of and Epstein was Epsteined just in case to make sure the true story of the service he provided never got out. Not blackmail, but perverted rewards for globalist collaborators, rewards they can’t get anywhere else. It like a drug to these bastards, they don’t need to be blackmailed, they are junkies to their own perversion.richwicks says
There was no good information before 1990
Yes there was, you just didn’t know it, weren’t looking for it or did not know anyone who could point you to it. I grew up reading excellent material and talking about the truth of what is going on in this world face to face with based individuals. Most of the stuff on the internet is not true, look at how many people believe in so many silly conspiracies (Biden is dead and body doubles do his public appearances for example) it is just ridiculous. The internet is just TV made accessible to the common person to become a content contributor, the most extreme click bait gets the attention and the advertising dollars that come with it. It’s all about money just like anything else. Patnet is one of the few places on the internet that is not about making money in any way shape or form (though clearly Patrick would like to make money, wouldn’t we all?) Don’t pretend the internet is more noble than TV, it is just the evolution of media.richwicks says
I am telling you though DIRECT experience we're getting a wiser population.
I work with the general public and the educated elites. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that while the common man has more common sense than the educated fools there is actually less capability to reason and decipher truth today than there was even 20 years ago. People are not wiser by any means. The narratives of today would have been laughed at as farces just a generation ago.richwicks says
No. The result of cracking down and trying to control the narrative allows people to instantly know what "the narrative" is.
Nope, it doesn’t work like that. It takes months or years before people realize they’ve been hoodwinked but by then it is too late. Biden “wins” and the globalists get their man in power.richwicks says
I don't think meta information can be hidden, that is, who you are talking to but you don't need a shared key.
That’s my point, they already know everything they need to know, and soon they will shut down anyone who dares counter the narrative. Even associating with those who counter the narrative will warrant punishment. Truth is treason in the empire of globalist lies.
richwicks says
To me "God" as an explanation is "I don't know, but something had to do it", but ascribing a bunch of properties on this God, I think is wrong.
To me saying “We can't know if there's even a mind to a creator, or if it's just unfathomably intelligent.
Heck, we could all be computer simulations, that's in another computer simulation, that in another computer simulation, etc, etc, etc. There might be a BILLION levels to reality, or an infinite number. Maybe it's in every intelligent creature's makeup to create life, over and over and over again. Maybe intelligence is compelled to create intelligence. People can speculate all day, but that's it.”
Is not just wrong it is deliberately ignorant. God tells us exactly who He is, what He has done and what He is going to do. There is no speculation. There is simply acceptance of what He says and living a life based on that acceptance, or rejecting of what He says and living a life based on some lie that will ultimately drown your soul in sorrow and hopelessness.
richwicks says
Maybe the conditions to start life WAS created by some entity,
Not maybe, absolutely. Maybe it happened just like God said it did in Genesis. What if everything He said is true?richwicks says
Who knows.
God knows, and He will tell you, if you will listen.richwicks says
I know I don't know and I never will.
What if you are wrong, and one day soon you will know all these thing and more?
richwicks says
I just can't believe that the creator of all this creates all this life, man alone has a soul, and unless you suck up to God, he'll torture you for eternity. I can't think of anybody or anything I would torture eternally no matter what they did.
That is a false narrative. The truth is that God created the entire universe, and He did so to put humans on the pedestal of this Creation. He gave humans freedom to rule the earth, with only one rule to obey. But humans broke that one rule, giving Satan temporary dominion over the Earth that should have been ruled by men who were in fellowship with God. Instead men broke their fellowship with God, and brought condemnation on themselves with their choice to sin. But even after men rejected God’s rule in favor of the lies of the Devil, again God showed His favor on man a second time by offering to pay the sin debt in place of every single person. God doesn’t ask us to suck up to Him to earn his favor, he offers the gift of forgiveness freely to all who will accept it. He didn’t tell us to earn it, He told us He earned it for us, we just need to receive it.
Did you ever wonder why God said to Adam that he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit, but Adam didn’t die that day ?
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richwicks
2023 Jun 1, 11:32pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 1, 11:32pm
PeopleUnited says
More like 90% of people would support the Ukrainian war, and would be calling for direct US intervention. Nobody would know that the US overthrew Ukraine, Putin would be the devil incarnate, and a handful of people would know about Biden's involvement with Burisma, Viktor Shokin would be a completely unknown name.
PeopleUnited says
I agree with this. The biggest accomplishment of Obama was to end the anti-war movement. He destroyed it.
PeopleUnited says
I'm pointing out there was no resistance before, there is now.
PeopleUnited says
No I don't. It might be initiation for all I know. The nobility in England isn't powerless, they own like 1/2 the land. It's a double edged sword most likely. It's not like a prince needed somebody to help him get what he wanted.
PeopleUnited says
It's pretty simple to negotiate a deal with a young woman that "we'll make you rich, but you're going to do this, and if you speak up later, you're dead, and so is your family. This is the deal."
It's kind of perplexing they don't do this. Give a kid $100,000 - set them up financially, help them make good investments, and allow them to know what they are doing. It's weird they don't do this.
PeopleUnited says
Name such a source.
Today, we can freely share the information. I don't have to join the John Birch Society now IF they would allow me in.
PeopleUnited says
Oh? Gulf of Tonkin is no more ridiculous than weapons of mass destruction. Pearl Harbor is no more silly than the 9/11. The USS Liberty is not more silly than the downing of MH17.
PeopleUnited says
JFK "won", he just didn't follow directions. George W. Bush "won" and he did. Neither was actually elected.
It may take months or years, it doesn't take decades anymore.
PeopleUnited says
What if it was just compiled by a bunch of men to create a control structure by enforcing a narrative on the pain of death to control the population?
I know it couldn't have happened just like it said in Genesis. I know Noah's ark couldn't be real if only because of the diversity of species we have, and pretty simple physics.
I don't want to argue religion. I don't want to strip your faith from you. If you persist, I will.
PeopleUnited says
Here's an Eastern interpretation of "god".
God is in all things. Karma is the true nature of the universe. We are all aspects of God, every single living thing from bacteria to humanity, to every conceivable existence with even the smallest level of thought and we will exist as everything and everybody. Time is merely a human concept, I am you, you are me, your dog, your cat, the chicken you ate. Everything you harm, everything you help is merely an aspect of yourself, because we're all collectively God and the hope is we don't have to return to another life after our death and we can escape this cycle of life and death.
This is kind of a modern perversion of the idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
It's a WESTERN religion, but it has heavy influence from the Dharmic religions. A Jain therefore adheres to ahisma, because non violence toward any living thing is the closest they can get to divinity, because harming anything ultimately harms themselves.
From my perspective, the Abrahamic religions are nothing more than a political system of control. Christianity was the successor to the Roman empire which broke up in the 16th century. My viewpoint is that if there is a religion, it's purposely shielded from us, and you don't have to become literate, and read a 1000 page book to attain something approaching divinity. IF it exists, it's innate within all of us and purposely hidden from us.
PeopleUnited says
No, but I did wonder what it was called The Tree of Knowledge.
I also wondered if Satan, if he's the Great Deceiver, didn't write the Bible himself to depict God as a ruthless petty maniac in the Bible that tortured Job just to prove loyalty, or drown the world killing every man, woman, child, baby, fetus, dog, cat, puppy etc. except 7 of each clean animal and bird, and 2 of each unclean animal. Maybe, the Great Deceiver wrote the Bible to create evil, to lead man away from God and to enslave mankind?
I also wondered if the god of the old Testament was evil and the God of the New Testament was good? I wasn't alone in this though, one of the earliest heretical groups believed in this, and were all slaughtered in the early Inquisition.
I wondered why an all powerful, omnipotent GOOD God would decide to have his SON brutally tortured and killed, when he was omnipotent and therefore could make any condition He wanted to redeem mankind?
Then I began to wonder about evolutionary theory, evolutionary psychology, evolutionary programming, neural networks, if I was a meat robot, if a dog was a meat robot, if emotions were genuine, if it was moral to kill to eat since it wasn't strictly necessary, if a cow had emotional capacity, if love was merely an abstraction to reproduce, if reductionism wasn't true - that is if we're not merely machine to duplicate our GENES and not ourselves, blah blah blah blah.
THEN I began to wonder, what are the power structures on the planet, why does the government continually "get it wrong", why don't leaders assassinate other leaders, are tremendously successful people REALLY successful, or are they artificially promoted to that position, why don't the Democrats take advantage of a situation, or the Republicans if they really oppose one another, why are single mothers given more welfare than than married families..
I wonder a lot and I am satisfied with my conclusions. It goes way beyond religion.
My fear is pantheism is basically correct, that I will exist in some form or another, for eternity having to experience everything, everything, including what I oppose. I certainly want to experience nonexistence one day, eternal life, would be a true hell.
Did you know that the concept of Nirvana in Hinduism is NOT to be reincarnated? That's how different a concept religious goals are. That "bliss", is complete unawareness. That existence is just suffering, and that eternal peace means complete dissociation from any concept of existence.
Like Zelenskiy would have been invited to speak to Congress twice instead of once, and we’d have blown up Nordstrom one and two?
More like 90% of people would support the Ukrainian war, and would be calling for direct US intervention. Nobody would know that the US overthrew Ukraine, Putin would be the devil incarnate, and a handful of people would know about Biden's involvement with Burisma, Viktor Shokin would be a completely unknown name.
PeopleUnited says
This was done to neuter the anti war crowd. The anti war crowd was always primarily democrats, by installing BHO they got to continue the wars unopposed, with popularity of the warmongering president. And the dipshit Dems were too busy fawning over their DEI President to realize he was just as big a warmonger as Bush.
I agree with this. The biggest accomplishment of Obama was to end the anti-war movement. He destroyed it.
PeopleUnited says
The world turned on the narratives I mentioned. The narratives are still alive and policy and religious like following is pushing those narratives, they are being used to justify imprisonment, medical tyranny, famine, poverty, discrimination
I'm pointing out there was no resistance before, there is now.
PeopleUnited says
It’s not blackmail, you got it backwards. The guys who spent time getting their jollies with Epstein were being “rewarded” for their faithful service to the globalists. Why else would they go back again and again? What did the deep state globalists gain by “blackmailing” and then discrediting Prince Andrew?
No I don't. It might be initiation for all I know. The nobility in England isn't powerless, they own like 1/2 the land. It's a double edged sword most likely. It's not like a prince needed somebody to help him get what he wanted.
PeopleUnited says
But the point is that that is what wealthy people do, they use others, including willing young women who should know better than to accept money for spending time with older men.
It's pretty simple to negotiate a deal with a young woman that "we'll make you rich, but you're going to do this, and if you speak up later, you're dead, and so is your family. This is the deal."
It's kind of perplexing they don't do this. Give a kid $100,000 - set them up financially, help them make good investments, and allow them to know what they are doing. It's weird they don't do this.
PeopleUnited says
Yes there was, you just didn’t know it, weren’t looking for it or did not know anyone who could point you to it. I grew up reading excellent material and talking about the truth of what is going on in this world face to face with based individuals.
Name such a source.
Today, we can freely share the information. I don't have to join the John Birch Society now IF they would allow me in.
PeopleUnited says
I work with the general public and the educated elites. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that while the common man has more common sense than the educated fools there is actually less capability to reason and decipher truth today than there was even 20 years ago. People are not wiser by any means. The narratives of today would have been laughed at as farces just a generation ago.
Oh? Gulf of Tonkin is no more ridiculous than weapons of mass destruction. Pearl Harbor is no more silly than the 9/11. The USS Liberty is not more silly than the downing of MH17.
PeopleUnited says
Nope, it doesn’t work like that. It takes months or years before people realize they’ve been hoodwinked but by then it is too late. Biden “wins” and the globalists get their man in power
JFK "won", he just didn't follow directions. George W. Bush "won" and he did. Neither was actually elected.
It may take months or years, it doesn't take decades anymore.
PeopleUnited says
Not maybe, absolutely. Maybe it happened just like God said it did in Genesis. What if everything He said is true?
What if it was just compiled by a bunch of men to create a control structure by enforcing a narrative on the pain of death to control the population?
I know it couldn't have happened just like it said in Genesis. I know Noah's ark couldn't be real if only because of the diversity of species we have, and pretty simple physics.
I don't want to argue religion. I don't want to strip your faith from you. If you persist, I will.
PeopleUnited says
That is a false narrative. The truth is that God created the entire universe, and He did so to put humans on the pedestal of this Creation
Here's an Eastern interpretation of "god".
God is in all things. Karma is the true nature of the universe. We are all aspects of God, every single living thing from bacteria to humanity, to every conceivable existence with even the smallest level of thought and we will exist as everything and everybody. Time is merely a human concept, I am you, you are me, your dog, your cat, the chicken you ate. Everything you harm, everything you help is merely an aspect of yourself, because we're all collectively God and the hope is we don't have to return to another life after our death and we can escape this cycle of life and death.
This is kind of a modern perversion of the idea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
It's a WESTERN religion, but it has heavy influence from the Dharmic religions. A Jain therefore adheres to ahisma, because non violence toward any living thing is the closest they can get to divinity, because harming anything ultimately harms themselves.
From my perspective, the Abrahamic religions are nothing more than a political system of control. Christianity was the successor to the Roman empire which broke up in the 16th century. My viewpoint is that if there is a religion, it's purposely shielded from us, and you don't have to become literate, and read a 1000 page book to attain something approaching divinity. IF it exists, it's innate within all of us and purposely hidden from us.
PeopleUnited says
Did you ever wonder why God said to Adam that he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit, but Adam didn’t die that day ?
No, but I did wonder what it was called The Tree of Knowledge.
I also wondered if Satan, if he's the Great Deceiver, didn't write the Bible himself to depict God as a ruthless petty maniac in the Bible that tortured Job just to prove loyalty, or drown the world killing every man, woman, child, baby, fetus, dog, cat, puppy etc. except 7 of each clean animal and bird, and 2 of each unclean animal. Maybe, the Great Deceiver wrote the Bible to create evil, to lead man away from God and to enslave mankind?
I also wondered if the god of the old Testament was evil and the God of the New Testament was good? I wasn't alone in this though, one of the earliest heretical groups believed in this, and were all slaughtered in the early Inquisition.
I wondered why an all powerful, omnipotent GOOD God would decide to have his SON brutally tortured and killed, when he was omnipotent and therefore could make any condition He wanted to redeem mankind?
Then I began to wonder about evolutionary theory, evolutionary psychology, evolutionary programming, neural networks, if I was a meat robot, if a dog was a meat robot, if emotions were genuine, if it was moral to kill to eat since it wasn't strictly necessary, if a cow had emotional capacity, if love was merely an abstraction to reproduce, if reductionism wasn't true - that is if we're not merely machine to duplicate our GENES and not ourselves, blah blah blah blah.
THEN I began to wonder, what are the power structures on the planet, why does the government continually "get it wrong", why don't leaders assassinate other leaders, are tremendously successful people REALLY successful, or are they artificially promoted to that position, why don't the Democrats take advantage of a situation, or the Republicans if they really oppose one another, why are single mothers given more welfare than than married families..
I wonder a lot and I am satisfied with my conclusions. It goes way beyond religion.
My fear is pantheism is basically correct, that I will exist in some form or another, for eternity having to experience everything, everything, including what I oppose. I certainly want to experience nonexistence one day, eternal life, would be a true hell.
Did you know that the concept of Nirvana in Hinduism is NOT to be reincarnated? That's how different a concept religious goals are. That "bliss", is complete unawareness. That existence is just suffering, and that eternal peace means complete dissociation from any concept of existence.
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goofus
2023 Jun 2, 12:17am
richwicks says
I think in the context of bronze/Iron Age religions, including Judaism, Jesus’ sacrifice fulfilled any further need for burnt offerings and effectively ended human sacrifice. From what I gather, sacrifices would come from a slave or low caste group, particularly their children. I suspect the widespread adoption of Christianity had something to do with avoiding this fate.
As an aside, I also suspect the Aztec practice of sacrificing ethnic outgroups had something to do with Cortez’s victory. A handful of ships and 200 men had no chance against 10’s of thousands — unless the underclass joined Cortez to overthrow their Aztec oppressors. Fun that now, descendants of Aztecs (and conquistadors) are granted special privileges to atone for white malfeasance.
I wondered why an all powerful, omnipotent GOOD God would decide to have his SON brutally tortured and killed, when he was omnipotent and therefore could make any condition He wanted to redeem mankind?
I think in the context of bronze/Iron Age religions, including Judaism, Jesus’ sacrifice fulfilled any further need for burnt offerings and effectively ended human sacrifice. From what I gather, sacrifices would come from a slave or low caste group, particularly their children. I suspect the widespread adoption of Christianity had something to do with avoiding this fate.
As an aside, I also suspect the Aztec practice of sacrificing ethnic outgroups had something to do with Cortez’s victory. A handful of ships and 200 men had no chance against 10’s of thousands — unless the underclass joined Cortez to overthrow their Aztec oppressors. Fun that now, descendants of Aztecs (and conquistadors) are granted special privileges to atone for white malfeasance.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 2, 12:28am
richwicks
2023 Jun 2, 12:28am
goofus says
I seriously don't want to argue religion anymore. I would have relished it 15 years ago.
I can pick the Christian religion apart, but it doesn't benefit anybody. It's like stealing a security blanket from a little kid. It's just mean to do. The religion has some decent aspects, at least they oppose transgendering little kids although that's not a direct aspect of the religion. They just put the breaks on a lot of "new" ideas and that's not often a bad thing.
I think in the context of bronze/Iron Age religions, including Judaism, Jesus’ sacrifice fulfilled any further need for burnt offerings and effectively ended human sacrifice. From what I gather, sacrifices would come from a slave or low caste group, particularly their children. I suspect the widespread adoption of Christianity had something to do with avoiding this fate.
As an aside, I also suspect the Aztec practice of sacrificing ethnic outgroups had something to do with Cortez’s victory. A handful of ships and 200 men had no chance against 10’s of thousands — unless the underclass joined Cortez to overthrow their Aztec oppressors. Fun that now, descendants of Aztecs (and conquistadors) are granted special privileges to atone for white malfeasance.
I seriously don't want to argue religion anymore. I would have relished it 15 years ago.
I can pick the Christian religion apart, but it doesn't benefit anybody. It's like stealing a security blanket from a little kid. It's just mean to do. The religion has some decent aspects, at least they oppose transgendering little kids although that's not a direct aspect of the religion. They just put the breaks on a lot of "new" ideas and that's not often a bad thing.
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goofus
2023 Jun 2, 12:48am
More a wishful agnostic (sure would be nice to see loved ones again), but no, the historical context was just to understand why people then (in the first centuries AD) might have seen the sacrifice as the act of a loving god.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 2, 5:08am
PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 2, 5:08am
richwicks says
They don’t care about the kid. If they can get what they want from her for $2-$4k that is what they will do. It’s about using people, not helping them. And I don’t believe Prince Andrew could get the same thing in England, or he would have done it there. Present evidence of blackmail or it didn’t happen.richwicks says
There were many authors producing books, pamphlets, running seminars, and even some politicians like Ron Paul throughout the 60’s even through today. The internet just made it easier to find them, but they have always been there. They predate the WWW. Truth didn’t magically appear out of nowhere.richwicks says
The point is it doesn’t matter. They still get what they want. By the time enough people know the truth, they are vilified like J6ers, Snowden, etc...richwicks says
You’re funny. The God of the universe could not find a way to pack 2-7 of each kind (would not have needed adult animals just a baby male and female) into the arc. Don’t be ridiculous. That is barely even a miracle. The miracle is that they came to the arc for the rescue in the first place. It’s a picture of the rescue you need.richwicks says
That doesn’t make sense. What does make sense is that God created Adam in His image. Body, Soul, Spirit. When Adam sinned, he died a spiritual death. All his descendants are born spiritually dead. But the Spirit of God can reach and awaken any person who is willing to listen to that Spirit. You don’t need to read to know God, but you do need to listen when He is striving with you. Reject Him, and you will remain dead in your sins. richwicks says
It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Before they ate of it, they did not know what evil was. But now we do. Evil is simply anything that offends God. Put another way, if you cannot in good faith do it, it is sin. Even avoiding doing what is right, is sin. So sin is the problem, but the answer is not to be sinless, because that is impossible. The answer is forgiveness because that is freely given by the God who loved us even when we broke fellowship with Him.
richwicks says
If you think Christianity has anything to do with the inquisition you misunderstood history and Christianity. Jesus set the pattern, if people are not following Him, they are NOT Christians.richwicks says
God is consistent. He limits Himself to what He said. He is not omnipotent, because he cannot lie, cannot be unjust, and cannot make a way to reconcile man to himself without bearing the punishment instead of man. That is what sets God apart from all other gods, He was willing to sacrifice, to pay the penalty Himself. If He ignored the penalty of sin, He would not be righteous. But since He is righteous, He paid the penalty for us. richwicks says
That is ridiculous. Essence of the human soul is intention. Animals might be meat puppets but humans are not. The ability to choose is what defines a soul. And a soul will reap the rewards or consequences of their choices. The soul that knows God, will receive the gifts of God. The soul that rejects God, will know the regret of eternal life without God. That is the choice, life with God, or eternal separation from God.
It's kind of perplexing they don't do this. Give a kid $100,000 - set them up financially, help them make good investments, and allow them to know what they are doing. It's weird they don't do this.
They don’t care about the kid. If they can get what they want from her for $2-$4k that is what they will do. It’s about using people, not helping them. And I don’t believe Prince Andrew could get the same thing in England, or he would have done it there. Present evidence of blackmail or it didn’t happen.richwicks says
John Birch Society
There were many authors producing books, pamphlets, running seminars, and even some politicians like Ron Paul throughout the 60’s even through today. The internet just made it easier to find them, but they have always been there. They predate the WWW. Truth didn’t magically appear out of nowhere.richwicks says
It may take months or years, it doesn't take decades anymore.
The point is it doesn’t matter. They still get what they want. By the time enough people know the truth, they are vilified like J6ers, Snowden, etc...richwicks says
I know it couldn't have happened just like it said in Genesis. I know Noah's ark couldn't be real if only because of the diversity of species we have, and pretty simple physics.
You’re funny. The God of the universe could not find a way to pack 2-7 of each kind (would not have needed adult animals just a baby male and female) into the arc. Don’t be ridiculous. That is barely even a miracle. The miracle is that they came to the arc for the rescue in the first place. It’s a picture of the rescue you need.richwicks says
My viewpoint is that if there is a religion, it's purposely shielded from us, and you don't have to become literate, and read a 1000 page book to attain something approaching divinity. IF it exists, it's innate within all of us and purposely hidden from us.
That doesn’t make sense. What does make sense is that God created Adam in His image. Body, Soul, Spirit. When Adam sinned, he died a spiritual death. All his descendants are born spiritually dead. But the Spirit of God can reach and awaken any person who is willing to listen to that Spirit. You don’t need to read to know God, but you do need to listen when He is striving with you. Reject Him, and you will remain dead in your sins. richwicks says
I did wonder what it was called The Tree of Knowledge.
It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Before they ate of it, they did not know what evil was. But now we do. Evil is simply anything that offends God. Put another way, if you cannot in good faith do it, it is sin. Even avoiding doing what is right, is sin. So sin is the problem, but the answer is not to be sinless, because that is impossible. The answer is forgiveness because that is freely given by the God who loved us even when we broke fellowship with Him.
richwicks says
the early Inquisition.
If you think Christianity has anything to do with the inquisition you misunderstood history and Christianity. Jesus set the pattern, if people are not following Him, they are NOT Christians.richwicks says
I wondered why an all powerful, omnipotent GOOD God would decide to have his SON brutally tortured and killed, when he was omnipotent and therefore could make any condition He wanted to redeem mankind?
God is consistent. He limits Himself to what He said. He is not omnipotent, because he cannot lie, cannot be unjust, and cannot make a way to reconcile man to himself without bearing the punishment instead of man. That is what sets God apart from all other gods, He was willing to sacrifice, to pay the penalty Himself. If He ignored the penalty of sin, He would not be righteous. But since He is righteous, He paid the penalty for us. richwicks says
My fear is pantheism
That is ridiculous. Essence of the human soul is intention. Animals might be meat puppets but humans are not. The ability to choose is what defines a soul. And a soul will reap the rewards or consequences of their choices. The soul that knows God, will receive the gifts of God. The soul that rejects God, will know the regret of eternal life without God. That is the choice, life with God, or eternal separation from God.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 2, 10:40am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 2, 10:40am
The latest interview of Col. Macgregor. IMO, a brilliant assessment of the true situation as it now stands in Ukraine.
Also covers what's happening economically in Germany, along with what's really happening in Russia, including the distinct possibility of 'total mobilization.' Macgregor states that the world is in the most dangerous situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis:
This was a trap that the Russians set for the Ukrainians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_5pDZS46M
Also covers what's happening economically in Germany, along with what's really happening in Russia, including the distinct possibility of 'total mobilization.' Macgregor states that the world is in the most dangerous situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis:
This was a trap that the Russians set for the Ukrainians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_5pDZS46M
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richwicks
2023 Jun 3, 1:40am
richwicks
2023 Jun 3, 1:40am
RayAmerica says
I take issue with this.
Our government has done everything it could do possible to keep us in a continual state of terror. Don't you remember covid is going to kill us all?
I remember when CNN was interviewing people who were (supposedly) buying gas masks because Saddam Hussein was going to gas the Eastern Seaboard back in 1991. I don't think WWIII can be fought now, although the Neocunts are pushing for it. For it to happen, the US would have to start it and although I think the Neocunts are allowed free reign to cause chaos across the world, I think they are much more restricted in the US, although plenty of Neocunts are allowing importation of illegal aliens.
I think the military DOES have a limit. We'll see.
I really think the US military would obliterate Israel before they would allow a nuclear war between the United States and Russia. At the end, they will pick their own survival over the survival of a foreign state.
Macgregor states that the world is in the most dangerous situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis:
I take issue with this.
Our government has done everything it could do possible to keep us in a continual state of terror. Don't you remember covid is going to kill us all?
I remember when CNN was interviewing people who were (supposedly) buying gas masks because Saddam Hussein was going to gas the Eastern Seaboard back in 1991. I don't think WWIII can be fought now, although the Neocunts are pushing for it. For it to happen, the US would have to start it and although I think the Neocunts are allowed free reign to cause chaos across the world, I think they are much more restricted in the US, although plenty of Neocunts are allowing importation of illegal aliens.
I think the military DOES have a limit. We'll see.
I really think the US military would obliterate Israel before they would allow a nuclear war between the United States and Russia. At the end, they will pick their own survival over the survival of a foreign state.
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goofus
2023 Jun 3, 8:37am
richwicks says
I hope you are right, for all of our sakes. But have you seen the top brass, from the vacant, lying Austin to woke Milley? The rank and file would resist, but when have lower ranks set military policy.
Milley would probably think he was ending ‘white supremacy’ by overthrowing Putin, consequences be damned.
I think the military DOES have a limit. We'll see.
I really think the US military would obliterate Israel before they would allow a nuclear war between the United States and Russia. At the end, they will pick their own survival over the survival of a foreign state.
I hope you are right, for all of our sakes. But have you seen the top brass, from the vacant, lying Austin to woke Milley? The rank and file would resist, but when have lower ranks set military policy.
Milley would probably think he was ending ‘white supremacy’ by overthrowing Putin, consequences be damned.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 3, 8:56am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 3, 8:56am
According to Patrick Lancaster he says he never runs into any Mainstream Media when he's on the ground in conflict areas. And he says often the BBC and AP takes his footage and distorts it. He reports on a Ministry of Science building being bombed out by American made bombs, with proof to back it up. The Mainstream media takes his footage and edits it without sound and says, Russia bombed out a children's hospital.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 3, 8:57am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Jun 3, 8:57am
I tend to have to believe him and until anyone can show me any footage or reporting on the ground from the conflict zone that debunks his reports, I'll continue to believe him, while calling those people useful idiots and full of shit..
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goofus
2023 Jun 3, 4:50pm
Tenpoundbass says
I almost wonder whether the “children’s hospital” is a tell of bs. Not just any hospital, a children’s hospital; not just any school, a preschool, and so on, to tug at heart strings. There seemed a lot of that early in the war, especially. And meanwhile, at least in this case, it was the “Ukrainian” (US) side doing the bombing, and of a completely unrelated building.
According to Patrick Lancaster he says he never runs into any Mainstream Media when he's on the ground in conflict areas. And he says often the BBC and AP takes his footage and distorts it. He reports on a Ministry of Science building being bombed out by American made bombs, with proof to back it up. The Mainstream media takes his footage and edits it without sound and says, Russia bombed out a children's hospital.
I almost wonder whether the “children’s hospital” is a tell of bs. Not just any hospital, a children’s hospital; not just any school, a preschool, and so on, to tug at heart strings. There seemed a lot of that early in the war, especially. And meanwhile, at least in this case, it was the “Ukrainian” (US) side doing the bombing, and of a completely unrelated building.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 3, 6:41pm
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 3, 6:41pm
goofus says
Warmongers have long used the supposed killing of children by their targeted 'enemy' for as long as there has been such a thing as war, and, it is a very effective propaganda technique. Back in WW I and prior to America's involvement 'over there,' artist renditions of the evil Hun soldiers with babies on their bayonets was common. It never happened, but it enraged the American public, which was being primed to accept getting involved in a war that had nothing to do with us. Similar propaganda was used to justify the first Gulf War because "babies were being removed from incubators and thrown on the floor" by Saddam's evil troops ... an event that never happened ... but was repeated over and over again by President George H. W. Bush along with the corporate media.
Not long after the conflict began in Ukraine, a broadcast news story showed a seemingly dead Ukraine boy in the arms of a weeping adult ... killed no doubt on the orders of the evil Putin. When I saw the broadcast, I was with a friend whose only grandson was about the same age as the victim. Suddenly, this man, who is ordinarily fairly stoic, became very emotional because he related the graphic tragedy to his own grandson. From that point on, he supported Ukraine and was convinced that Russia and that evil Putin needed to be destroyed, even if it led to Nuclear War!
What I find interesting is this; many of the same people that believe that the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines' were meant to kill us and that the media lied to us, believe the media's reporting of the Ukraine war. Strange to say the least.
I almost wonder whether the “children’s hospital” is a tell of bs. Not just any hospital, a children’s hospital; not just any school, a preschool, and so on, to tug at heart strings. There seemed a lot of that early in the war, especially. And meanwhile, at least in this case, it was the “Ukrainian” (US) side doing the bombing, and of a completely unrelated building.
Warmongers have long used the supposed killing of children by their targeted 'enemy' for as long as there has been such a thing as war, and, it is a very effective propaganda technique. Back in WW I and prior to America's involvement 'over there,' artist renditions of the evil Hun soldiers with babies on their bayonets was common. It never happened, but it enraged the American public, which was being primed to accept getting involved in a war that had nothing to do with us. Similar propaganda was used to justify the first Gulf War because "babies were being removed from incubators and thrown on the floor" by Saddam's evil troops ... an event that never happened ... but was repeated over and over again by President George H. W. Bush along with the corporate media.
Not long after the conflict began in Ukraine, a broadcast news story showed a seemingly dead Ukraine boy in the arms of a weeping adult ... killed no doubt on the orders of the evil Putin. When I saw the broadcast, I was with a friend whose only grandson was about the same age as the victim. Suddenly, this man, who is ordinarily fairly stoic, became very emotional because he related the graphic tragedy to his own grandson. From that point on, he supported Ukraine and was convinced that Russia and that evil Putin needed to be destroyed, even if it led to Nuclear War!
What I find interesting is this; many of the same people that believe that the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines' were meant to kill us and that the media lied to us, believe the media's reporting of the Ukraine war. Strange to say the least.
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goofus
2023 Jun 3, 7:40pm
RayAmerica says
Yes, I saw the same thing with family members over the “Syrian refugee crisis” of 2015. Remember baby Aylan, a toddler clad in red shoes, who had drowned crossing the Mediterranean? Our son was of similar age, and I remember thinking this is tragic but yikes, propaganda. The emotional impact hit others in the family much harder. The change from resistance to mass immigration to passive acceptance was remarkable (and the family in question hails from Europe and has much to lose). The demographic changes since then to the home country have been staggering, from crime to graffiti, to the loss of casual outdoor gatherings.
There’s a name for that latter phenomenon. What is it called, where you know your field has been misrepresented but believe reporting for other fields uncritically?
Not long after the conflict began in Ukraine, a broadcast news story showed a seemingly dead Ukraine boy in the arms of a weeping adult ... killed no doubt on the orders of the evil Putin. When I saw the broadcast, I was with a friend whose only grandson was about the same age as the victim. Suddenly, this man, who is ordinarily fairly stoic, became very emotional because he related the graphic tragedy to his own grandson. From that point on, he supported Ukraine and was convinced that Russia and that evil Putin needed to be destroyed, even if it led to Nuclear War!
What I find interesting is this; many of the same people that believe that the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines' were meant to kill us and that the media lied to us, believe the media's reporting of the Ukraine war. Strange to say the least.
Yes, I saw the same thing with family members over the “Syrian refugee crisis” of 2015. Remember baby Aylan, a toddler clad in red shoes, who had drowned crossing the Mediterranean? Our son was of similar age, and I remember thinking this is tragic but yikes, propaganda. The emotional impact hit others in the family much harder. The change from resistance to mass immigration to passive acceptance was remarkable (and the family in question hails from Europe and has much to lose). The demographic changes since then to the home country have been staggering, from crime to graffiti, to the loss of casual outdoor gatherings.
There’s a name for that latter phenomenon. What is it called, where you know your field has been misrepresented but believe reporting for other fields uncritically?
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goofus
2023 Jun 4, 1:33pm
RayAmerica says
Finally remembered what this is called:
“Knoll’s law of media accuracy is the adage that ‘everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge.’ For example, Knoll’s law suggests that someone might watch a news story about an event that they were personally involved with, and notice that the story is full of errors, but then forget that these types of errors exist when watching news stories about other events, with which they’re not as familiar.“
https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/
What I find interesting is this; many of the same people that believe that the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines' were meant to kill us and that the media lied to us, believe the media's reporting of the Ukraine war. Strange to say the least.
Finally remembered what this is called:
“Knoll’s law of media accuracy is the adage that ‘everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge.’ For example, Knoll’s law suggests that someone might watch a news story about an event that they were personally involved with, and notice that the story is full of errors, but then forget that these types of errors exist when watching news stories about other events, with which they’re not as familiar.“
https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 4, 3:09pm
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 4, 3:09pm
Latest video from Macgregor ... IMO, very interesting:
Col Macgregor and Prof Glenn Diesen on Russia's Growing Offensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdQwBWqcJ_g
Col Macgregor and Prof Glenn Diesen on Russia's Growing Offensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdQwBWqcJ_g
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 5, 5:36am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 5, 5:36am
goofus says
I just generally don't believe it if I or a trusted person didn't see it. For all we know there is no war in Ukraine. Has anyone you know been to Ukraine lately? Not talking 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon type information either. You know the person.
I don't know anyone. We're sending billions and yet I never see any reports from Kyiv from the 3 letter networks with a guy wearing a helmet and a vest reporting. Yes I know there's not active combat there, supposedly. For as many dead on either side are being claimed, it's probably the biggest war story since the Korean war or Vietnam. If 6 figure death toll reports are true, this is a major news story that should have reporters there.
I know American journalist are used to comfy cozy wars, but where are they? I've heard random reports that 100-200k are dead excluding civilian. In a little over a year. That's nuts. We killed a ton in the ME, but we technically lost little for 20 year wars.
For example, Knoll’s law suggests that someone might watch a news story about an event that they were personally involved with, and notice that the story is full of errors, but then forget that these types of errors exist when watching news stories about other events, with which they’re not as familiar.“
I just generally don't believe it if I or a trusted person didn't see it. For all we know there is no war in Ukraine. Has anyone you know been to Ukraine lately? Not talking 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon type information either. You know the person.
I don't know anyone. We're sending billions and yet I never see any reports from Kyiv from the 3 letter networks with a guy wearing a helmet and a vest reporting. Yes I know there's not active combat there, supposedly. For as many dead on either side are being claimed, it's probably the biggest war story since the Korean war or Vietnam. If 6 figure death toll reports are true, this is a major news story that should have reporters there.
I know American journalist are used to comfy cozy wars, but where are they? I've heard random reports that 100-200k are dead excluding civilian. In a little over a year. That's nuts. We killed a ton in the ME, but we technically lost little for 20 year wars.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 5, 6:43pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 5, 6:43pm
WookieMan says
You don't see this from Yemen or Syria either.
They do feed us shit and keep us in the dark.
It would be funny if this war is much smaller than we're told. Wouldn't be the first time I was tricked by The Big Lie.
WookieMan says
I've heard 300,000 dead on the Ukrainian side and a little less than 50,000 for Russia - but who knows?
I don't know anyone. We're sending billions and yet I never see any reports from Kyiv from the 3 letter networks with a guy wearing a helmet and a vest reporting.
You don't see this from Yemen or Syria either.
They do feed us shit and keep us in the dark.
It would be funny if this war is much smaller than we're told. Wouldn't be the first time I was tricked by The Big Lie.
WookieMan says
I've heard random reports that 100-200k are dead excluding civilian.
I've heard 300,000 dead on the Ukrainian side and a little less than 50,000 for Russia - but who knows?
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Ceffer
2023 Jun 5, 11:20pm
Ceffer
2023 Jun 5, 11:20pm
When are we going to see those F16's go up in magnificent Russian fireballs with the kids and old people piloting them? Oh, I forgot, they may have already been sold to Mexican cartels and the profits laundered back to Biden and select Congress critters.
https://t.me/greatreject/51300
https://t.me/greatreject/51300
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 8, 1:36pm
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 8, 1:36pm
Latest interview video with Col. Douglas Macgregor:
Dr. Ravassi & Col Macgregor: Disastrous attacks into Russian defenses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSuhY12PpE
Dr. Ravassi & Col Macgregor: Disastrous attacks into Russian defenses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSuhY12PpE
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 8, 1:39pm
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 8, 1:39pm
Recent interview of award winning journalist Seymour Hersh. Well worth the time to watch:
“Putin Has Got All He Wants…” Seymour Hersh On Russia-Ukraine War & What Could Happen Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2YWBZKF0Gk
“Putin Has Got All He Wants…” Seymour Hersh On Russia-Ukraine War & What Could Happen Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2YWBZKF0Gk
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richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 3:48pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 3:48pm
PeopleUnited says
You don't understand. You don't have to be part of an "in group" anymore to know what is going on. That's the purpose of the internet, to break up insular groups.
PeopleUnited says
If this was 1990, Snowden would have been Jonathan Pollard and he would have received ZERO support or coverage. His leaks would have gone nowhere. There would be no Julian Assange. If Assange wrote a book (somehow - how would he have received his information) he would have been assassinated like Gary Webb was for ONE revelation, not 100's.
99% of the country would be January 6th WAS an insurrection, not 1/2 of the country.
We wouldn't be talking. Maybe you're just too old to appreciate what we have. I'm talking to a people in Turkey, Brazil, and China right and we're comparing notes. I'm the elder of the group (of course) and I can explain what they don't know. They're in their 20's. We compare notes across national borders.
Kicked one asshole off the group from San Francisco because "he disagreed", but couldn't explain why, or about what - he just didn't believe certain FACTS. You can get rid of trouble makers in a day. There's STILL people that argue to "win the argument" not to be right. That was EVERYBODY in 1990 but today, there's huge groups of people who know they don't know what is going on, and WANT to know what is going on.
We've never been in a place like this before. One guy I'm talking to is a fanatical Muslim, he knows I'm an atheist, and we can still talk. I don't know what religion the guy from Brazil or China has, if any. I don't consider it particularly important.
You just can't appreciate where we are. Government propaganda is dismantled in days, if not hours and that's a good thing.
There were many authors producing books, pamphlets, running seminars, and even some politicians like Ron Paul throughout the 60’s even through today. The internet just made it easier to find them, but they have always been there. They predate the WWW. Truth didn’t magically appear out of nowhere
You don't understand. You don't have to be part of an "in group" anymore to know what is going on. That's the purpose of the internet, to break up insular groups.
PeopleUnited says
The point is it doesn’t matter. They still get what they want. By the time enough people know the truth, they are vilified like J6ers, Snowden, etc..
If this was 1990, Snowden would have been Jonathan Pollard and he would have received ZERO support or coverage. His leaks would have gone nowhere. There would be no Julian Assange. If Assange wrote a book (somehow - how would he have received his information) he would have been assassinated like Gary Webb was for ONE revelation, not 100's.
99% of the country would be January 6th WAS an insurrection, not 1/2 of the country.
We wouldn't be talking. Maybe you're just too old to appreciate what we have. I'm talking to a people in Turkey, Brazil, and China right and we're comparing notes. I'm the elder of the group (of course) and I can explain what they don't know. They're in their 20's. We compare notes across national borders.
Kicked one asshole off the group from San Francisco because "he disagreed", but couldn't explain why, or about what - he just didn't believe certain FACTS. You can get rid of trouble makers in a day. There's STILL people that argue to "win the argument" not to be right. That was EVERYBODY in 1990 but today, there's huge groups of people who know they don't know what is going on, and WANT to know what is going on.
We've never been in a place like this before. One guy I'm talking to is a fanatical Muslim, he knows I'm an atheist, and we can still talk. I don't know what religion the guy from Brazil or China has, if any. I don't consider it particularly important.
You just can't appreciate where we are. Government propaganda is dismantled in days, if not hours and that's a good thing.
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Eric Holder
2023 Jun 8, 4:10pm
Eric Holder
2023 Jun 8, 4:10pm
I'm bored and need enterntainment.
Any fresh juicy predictions from that shoe size IQ McGregor cunt?
Any fresh juicy predictions from that shoe size IQ McGregor cunt?
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richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 4:14pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 4:14pm
Eric Holder says
Don't be stupid.
I'm bored and need enterntainment.
Any fresh juicy predictions from that shoe size IQ McGregor cunt?
Don't be stupid.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 16, 8:39am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 16, 8:39am
The latest news from the money hole known as Ukraine:
The Ukrainians got obliterated far from the Russian security line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDEGipA_YU
The Ukrainians got obliterated far from the Russian security line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDEGipA_YU
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 18, 11:02am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 18, 11:02am
The latest video from Col. McGregor:
1,000,000 Russian troops all the way around Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdeKBsUNJLM
1,000,000 Russian troops all the way around Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdeKBsUNJLM
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Ceffer
2023 Jun 18, 11:34am
Ceffer
2023 Jun 18, 11:34am
I was giving my propaganda brainwashed friend some background on Ukraine, and gave him a reference to The Duran for more balanced coverage from mainstream propaganda mills.
I have studied him closely, and I think he prefers the gruel of propaganda lies because it is easy to digest and keeps him in a calm state of denial. He doesn't want to undergo the grief therapy associated with recognizing the true, dismal state of things. He is a 'propaganda addict' having all of his thoughts, feelings, analysis and motives provided to him in a feedbag, and the withdrawal process is too painful.
He told me that I should just relax and accept the state of propaganda as less stressful mind dope. He knows something isn't right, but he wants to be cradled and suckled by the escapist propaganda rather than engaging the awakening requirements.
I have studied him closely, and I think he prefers the gruel of propaganda lies because it is easy to digest and keeps him in a calm state of denial. He doesn't want to undergo the grief therapy associated with recognizing the true, dismal state of things. He is a 'propaganda addict' having all of his thoughts, feelings, analysis and motives provided to him in a feedbag, and the withdrawal process is too painful.
He told me that I should just relax and accept the state of propaganda as less stressful mind dope. He knows something isn't right, but he wants to be cradled and suckled by the escapist propaganda rather than engaging the awakening requirements.
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HeadSet
2023 Jun 18, 1:36pm
HeadSet
2023 Jun 18, 1:36pm
Ceffer says
"Take the blue pill."
He told me that I should just relax and accept the state of propaganda as less stressful mind dope. He knows something isn't right, but he wants to be cradled and suckled by the escapist propaganda rather than engaging the awakening requirements.
"Take the blue pill."
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stereotomy
2023 Jun 18, 2:48pm
stereotomy
2023 Jun 18, 2:48pm
I'm going to watch "The Manchurian Candidate" tonight with my 14 yo son. Considering the state of our government, I think the film underestimated the extent our political system could be corrupted. I'm waiting until he's older until I suggest "1984," although that and "Animal Farm" are on my summer reading list for him.
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stereotomy
2023 Jun 19, 10:11am
stereotomy
2023 Jun 19, 10:11am
stereotomy says
UPDATE: He loved it, and was on the edge of his seat for at least half of it. I had to promise that I wouldn't inject political commentary during the feature.
I'm going to watch "The Manchurian Candidate" tonight with my 14 yo son. Considering the state of our government, I think the film underestimated the extent our political system could be corrupted. I'm waiting until he's older until I suggest "1984," although that and "Animal Farm" are on my summer reading list for him.
UPDATE: He loved it, and was on the edge of his seat for at least half of it. I had to promise that I wouldn't inject political commentary during the feature.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 19, 10:18am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 19, 10:18am
stereotomy,
Which version of the Manchurian Candidate did you watch?
Which version of the Manchurian Candidate did you watch?
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richwicks
2023 Jun 19, 10:40pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 19, 10:40pm
stereotomy says
Did you watch the original 1962 film with Angela Lansbury, or the 2004 remake?
Angela Lansbury played a convincing Hillary Clinton in that film...
stereotomy says
I'm going to watch "The Manchurian Candidate" tonight with my 14 yo son. Considering the state of our government, I think the film underestimated the extent our political system could be corrupted. I'm waiting until he's older until I suggest "1984," although that and "Animal Farm" are on my summer reading list for him.
UPDATE: He loved it, and was on the edge of his seat for at least half of it. I had to promise that I wouldn't inject political commentary during the feature.
Did you watch the original 1962 film with Angela Lansbury, or the 2004 remake?
Angela Lansbury played a convincing Hillary Clinton in that film...
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