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richwicks says

When they attacked USS Liberty, we should have gone to war with them. When they did the Lavon Affair, we should have dropped relations with them. There's good evidence they were involved with the assassination of JFK and RFK. There's AMPLE evidence they were involved with 9/11. They provided the false documents of the "yellowcake uranium" that Saddam Hussein was supposedly sourcing from Niger.

This has already been explained. As usual, you leave out the nearly instant payouts made and the fact the USS Liberty did not receive instructions to leave the area, communicated almost a day before by 6th Fleet, which resulted in a massive crash upgrade to Med Communications by the USN. Or that it occured in the middle of a hot war mere miles from active WW2 style tank battles.

In fact, the reason the jets were dispatched was a call by an Israeli Army force calling out that they suspected shelling coming from a ship they themselves could see off the coast.

60 years on and this is the only go-to for Israel bashers with the least bit of grisle.

You have a particular humbug with Israel. When asked to show proof - emails, calls, etc. - you have none. Keeping in mind within months of COVID, we had Fauci and other emails leaked showing their bizarre decisions including Fauci saying no Masks were needed for Air Travel to/from China to a high ranking Government Employee.

richwicks says

The so-called "dancing Israelis" on 9/11 were all Israeli, they were obviously spies. They lionized John Pollard. They're the ones that bankrolled and funded Jeffrey Epstein.

No evidence for any of this, especially Epstein.

HeadSet says

Disingenuous. The F4 Phantoms fired AIM 9 missiles at what they thought were NVA helicopters. The USS Liberty was under attack for hours by many aircraft and attack ships.

This is a myth, the USS Liberty was attacked being the SAME EXACT build of Ship known to be operated by the Egyptian Navy, also a WW2 cargo ship mass produced, and also converted with antennae masts into a Command Ship by the Egyptians, the El-Kasir. The El-Kasir had large antennae fore and aft with a stack admidships, and presented the same silhouette the USS Liberty did, antennae fore and aft with a stack amidships, as a USN Judge concurred with.

The US Attache to Israel confirmed to the IDF that morning that NO US ships were in the area within hundreds of miles of the area in question. Per 6th Fleet commands, the Liberty was supposed to be long gone from the area - but did not receive the instructions and continued cruising the area, collecting ELINT and SIGINT from all the SA-2s and Soviet Radars dumped on Egypt in vast quantities. I wonder why the US was interested in listening, and later helping Israel?

One hour, including the time for first contact with a super sonic plane, to the attack by Patrol Boats limited to knots. The Patrol Boats, being at sea level, did see the flag and the writing on the side of the vessel which was impossible to see in a French Supersonic Fighter at a thousand feet up looking down at a steep angle. Once they did so, the immediately stopped firing, contacted shore, and began initiating rescue operations.

Another charge validated by a USN Judge was that the Liberty refused to identify itself to the IDF Patrol Boats on radio, that they did indeed receive the request for ID but did not respond.

Real life is not a video game where enemies appear Red, friends Blue, and Neutrals Yellow. No HUD, No IFF, no Networked Area Maps in 1967 French Export Aircraft.

Indemnities were paid within weeks, with a second set mere months later.

The Egyptians claim US Aircraft Carriers carried out the surprise attack on Egyptian Airfields in 1967.

Finally, there's a perfectly valid reason for the US to support Israel after 1967. The Soviets dumped 1000s of MiGs, T-55/64s, and SA-2s all over Egypt along with tens of thousands of advisors. You know, this thing called the Cold War and the enemy of my enemy's Client State is my friend type deal?

What is a nazi in 2023?

Finally a solid proof of existence of and extreme danger presented by Nazis in Ukraine:



More chilling details here:

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1640414201264115712?ref_src=patrick.net

AmericanKulak says

60 years on and this is the only go-to for Israel bashers with the least bit of grisle.

I don't particularly care to discuss this issue because people are unable to be objective about it or be dispassionate about it.

The largest foreign spy ring in the the US was Israeli. It was broken up shortly after 9/11. Remember that? the "Israeli art students"?

I get tired of talking about this. It's a fucking foreign nation, that if it was ANY other nation, we would have gone to war over all the bullshit they pull.

AmericanKulak says

No evidence for any of this, especially Epstein.

Ugh.

Jizzlane Maxwell's father was Robert Maxwell. He was a billionaire UK politician that was murdered. He got a Israeli state funeral. Les Wexner was Epstein's SOLE client, meaning his handler. Les Wexner is Jewish. Jean-Luc Brunel was killed in a Paris prison for trafficking girls in the same exact way Jeffrey Epstein was (what are the chances??), he ran One Mother modelling agency. He was also Jewish. He procured girls.

Ohhhh, it's just a fucking coincidence.



I already know, quickly, is there's any amount of fucking evidence that will satisfy somebody. Not with you, at least not about this.

It's fucking obvious and it wouldn't matter if the Israeli state itself stated unequivocally that Epstein was an Israeli blackmail operation, you'd just deny it. You're just putting me through an exercise in futility. You're not serious about being correct, you just want to win an argument.

AmericanKulak says

This is a myth, the USS Liberty was attacked being the SAME EXACT build of Ship known to be operated by the Egyptian Navy, also a WW2 cargo ship mass produced, and also converted with antennae masts into a Command Ship by the Egyptians, the El-Kasir. The El-Kasir

They weren't the same fucking ship. The only similarity between them was that they floated on the ocean.

http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/mistakenid.htm

God, endlessly I hear total fucking bullshit constantly repeated, who wants to deal with debunking all the nonsense? You know how I know Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty? Because how much fucking bullshit is said about the event. That's what intelligence does when they do something fucking evil. They throw shitloads of nonsense out there, so nobody can talk about it.

Every single time when even 40 years later people are arguing about fundamental facts, that's intelligence being involved.

The “nazis” in Ukraine are funded by Jewish billionaire Igor Kolomoisky, among others. They are controlled opposition, akin to Yuri Bezmenov’s “useful idiots.”

Ukrainian nationalists, among them Banderas followers, know about the Holodomor but — perhaps owing to stringent anti-semitism laws in the USSR — believe the perpetrators were “Russians.” The Nazis under Hitler fought the Russians (though Hitler was aiming to overthrow Judeo-Bolsheviks), therefore eh voila, if we hate the Holodomor, we hate Russians and align with Nazis. Something like that, as best I can tell.

original link

Video begins at 6 minutes and 50 seconds in.

I hate those stupid introductions. They aren't needed.

goofus says

Ukrainian nationalists, among them Banderas followers, know about the Holodomor but — perhaps owing to stringent anti-semitism laws in the USSR — believe the perpetrators were “Russians.”

Actually, Georgians. It was ordered by former Seminary Student Stalin, who wasn't big on Jews himself, considering they were disproportionally his Great Purge Victims, and then again in the "Anti-Cosmopolitan" and "Doctor's Plot" campaigns after WW2.

Hitler invaded Poland and the USSR for Liebensraum in the East, which he dedicates page after page about in Mein Kampf, detailing why Germany was mistaken to try to get African colonies, esp. the difficulties with transiting through the Channel and/or around Britain given it had the most powerful navy of the time and in the century past, and instead should expand Eastward by land.

Official NSDAP doctrine was that the "Slawien" were a servitor race, better under German domination and numbers kept down - he gives examples of German Czars like Catherine the Great, the Tuetonic Order, etc.

Hitler certainly had no problem dividing up Eastern Europe with the USSR and trading massive amounts of hard currency and technical secrets with Stalin in return for Nickel, Iron, Oil, and Wheat. Hours after Barbarossa, trains laden with raw materials from the USSR were still entering Germany, Stalin refused to stop them despite reports of a massive attack.

https://www.britannica.com/event/German-Soviet-Nonaggression-Pact
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/soviet-german-trade-agreement-1939

For every Katyn, there's a Palmiry
https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/32371/Museum-of-the-Palmiry-Massacre.htm

Here's a few that happened immediately during and after the 1939 False Flag attack on Poland. We know it's a false flag because German Kommandos were picked up in Poland days, onAugust 25th before, trying to sieze the Jablonkow Tunnel, being under radio silence and not getting the delay order issued shortly after to September 1st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jab%C5%82onk%C3%B3w_incident
https://www.worldwar-two.net/events/operation_himmler/
Hitler also gave a Speech August 22nd announcing his planned invasion of Poland to the Wehrmacht. Notes were instantly available to both the British and American embassies via intelligence assets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Obersalzberg_Speech

Interestingly, Lieutenant Hans-Albrecht Herzner, who led the raid into Polish Territory before the Gleiwicz Radio Station False Flag, became the commander of the Nachitgall Battalion, active in the Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachtigall_Battalion

It was official doctrine, including for the Luftwaffe, to strafe and terror bomb Polish roads and cities to clog the roads and delay Polish mobilization and reinforcements.
https://ww2days.com/luftwaffe-prepares-final-terror-bombing-of-warsaw.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Wielun

Then of course, Hitler worked out a deal with the Georgian-Russian "Judeo-Bolshevik" Chief, Iosef Jugashvilli aka "Stalin"

There are two socialist mustache men, and it's a false dichotomy that people "have to take a side". Tankies and Wehraboos are always denying their preferred Mustache Man's atrocities and reasoning.



The biggest lie of WW2 is the #1 victim of state murder, which was Slavic POWs of Poland and the Soviet Union by both sides.

Yes - the massive death by neglect, overwork, and often outright shooting or burning them in locked buildings by the Nazis was followed by Stalin ordering many Soviet POWs sent to Gulags to be worked to death after the defeat of the Nazis.

AmericanKulak says

Actually, Georgians. It was ordered by former Seminary Student Stalin, who wasn't big on Jews himself, considering they were disproportionally his Great Purge Victims, and then again in the "Anti-Cosmopolitan" and "Doctor's Plot" campaigns after WW2.

Then of course, Hitler worked out a deal with the Georgian-Russian "Judeo-Bolshevik" Chief, Iosef Jugashvilli aka "Stalin"

Stalin’s given name literally translates as “Judas son” in Georgian: “iudas shvilo.” See google translate image file below (if I can get it to load). He also married a Jewish woman, set aside a Jewish oblast, and had key Jewish advisors (which is how the NKVD was so skewed at the upper levels).

The fascinating thing about Stalin is, while he had no trouble killing advisors, he only turned against Jews as a group after WW2 when Israel was formalized. It seems Stalin was angered that so many Jews would leave for Israel, putting ethnic commitment above communist pieties, and turned 180, removing most from positions of power within the party and military.

So yes, much as one might hate to admit it, Bolshevism was heavily Jewish, as is its modern analogue, cultural Marxism, a product of Marcuse et al at the Frankfurt School. Aka, Critical Theory progenitors. When people say you cannot understand the present without the past, this is exactly what they mean.

Just as Germans soul searched over WW2 and the rise of Hitler, so too should Jews (fractional or otherwise, like yours truly) examine their sympathies with Bolshevism, and ongoing encouragement of cultural Marxism.

goofus says

Stalin’s given name literally translates as “Judas son.” See google translate image file below (if I can get it to load). He also married a Jewish woman, set aside a Jewish oblast, and had key Jewish advisors (which is how the NKVD was so skewed at the upper levels).

Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili is not named Judas. Iosef is the Georgian version of Josef.

Stalin's mother and father were both Georgians, in fact Stalin was pushed to go to Eastern Georgian Orthodox seminary by his mother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keke_Geladze
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besarion_Jughashvili

All tales about his mother in particular are that of a devout Orthodox Woman who pushed him to go to seminary. As Iosef (not Iudas) was the only one of her children to survive, she wanted him to be in the Priesthood.

His first wife was the sister of his friend Alexander. The Svanidze family was minor Georgian nobility and not at all Jewish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kato_Svanidze

His second wife was known to Stalin most of his life, was of mixed Ukrainian and Georgian peasant descent. He married her at 40 and she was much younger. Given the names of all HER brothers and sisters, and that they spoke Georgian at home, I doubt they were Jewish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Alliluyeva

Stalin's most trusted, like Beria - Lavréntiy Pávlovich Bériya - ლავრენტი ბერია, were mostly Georgians. Beria himself had yet another devout Orthodox Mother.

Sorry to bust up your Pattern Seeking.

AmericanKulak says

Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili is not named Judas. Iosef is the Georgian version of Josef.

Stalin's mother and father were both Georgians, in fact Stalin was pushed to go …

In your example, we can see the I in Georgian transliterates as J (Iosef = Josef), leaving only the “g” of Jugashvilli (Iudas-shvilo = Judas son) unaccounted for.

As for Stalin in seminary etc, in tsarist-controlled Georgia, one can imagine crypto-Jews encouraging religious bonafides. It certainly happened in Spain.

Am I incorrect in his second wife being Jewish? The first died young. I don’t think we can assume her speaking Georgian precludes being ethnically Jewish.

goofus says

In your example, we can see the I in Georgian transliterates as J (Iosef = Josef), leaving only the “g” of Jugashvilli (Iudas-shvilo = Judas son) unaccounted for.

Iosef and Isoeb both = Josef or Joseph.

Shilvo != shvilli





No sources in the first 5 on Brave have Stalin's first Christian name meaning anything but Joseph.


Here's Stalin's Father, Besarion. Himself possibly the grandson of an Ossetian Freedom Fighter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besarion_Jughashvili
goofus says

As for Stalin in seminary etc, in tsarist-controlled Georgia, one can imagine crypto-Jews encouraging religious bonafides. It certainly happened in Spain.

Spain is far away from Georgia, a totally different history.

The mother was widely known for being devout. Every biography of Stalin mentions "Keke's" (Katarina) religious fervor and her desire for Iosef to attend Seminary and become a Georgian Orthodox Priest, which she did get him to go for a year.

She even called Iosef "Soso" which is the Georgian Diminuative for "Joey"
https://rupertcolley.com/2015/02/05/ekaterina-dzhugashvili-stalins-mother/

AmericanKulak says

Shilvo != shvilli

It’s shvilo, which is pretty darned close to shvili and probably denotes a possessive (“son of” Judas rather than just “son”). I’m not saying his mom would call him Judas. His name was Josef Judas-son, “Iosef Jugashvilli.”

The Soviet Union went to great lengths to hide the Jewish ancestry of the inner Duma, which was predominantly Jewish the first 20 years. (Yes, I consider Solzhenitsyn an exhaustively researched source, and a brilliant man.) It would not surprise me that biographers would omit or be unaware of that detail about Stalin.

goofus says

So yes, much as one might hate to admit it, Bolshevism was heavily Jewish, as is its modern analogue, cultural Marxism, a product of Marcuse et al at the Frankfurt School. Aka, Critical Theory progenitors. When people say you cannot understand the present without the past, this is exactly what they mean.

Nobody denies that Bolshevism, financed by the literal Anglo-Saxon Engles without whom Marx would have had to have gotten a real job, has lots of Jewish fanbois.

That being said, the vast majority of Marxists are and always have been, Non-Jewish, from Beria to Stalin to Pol Pot to Mao Tse-Tung to Che O'Guevara to Bernadette Devlin.

The father of Culture Marxism isn't Marcuse - who added on to it further - but Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Marxist.

goofus says

It’s shvilo, which is pretty darned close to shvili and probably denotes a possessive (“son of” Judas rather than just “son”).

The Soviet Union went to great lengths to hide the Jewish ancestry of the inner Duma, which was predominantly Jewish the first 20 years. (Yes, I consider Solzhenitsyn an exhaustively researched source, and a brilliant man.) It would not surprise me that biographers would omit or be unaware of that detail about Stalin.

Shvilli -ending: Compare former Georgian Presidents "Mikheil Saakashvili" or "Giorgi Margvelashvili" or Current Leader "Irakli Garibashvili".

And the "Inner Duma" is a myth. It's based on one Soviet government that lasted a few weeks. Lenin's government that ended up as the permanent structure had only one, maybe "one and a half", Jews out of almost 20.

The largest ethnicity represented in the Soviet Union disproportionate to size were Armenians, like Mikoyan of MiG Fame. The largest ethnicity in the Pre-WW2 NKVD was ... Latvian.

AmericanKulak says

goofus says

So yes, much as one might hate to admit it, Bolshevism was heavily Jewish, as is its modern analogue, cultural Marxism, a product of Marcuse et al at the Frankfurt School. Aka, Critical Theory progenitors. When people say you cannot understand the present without the past, this is exactly what they mean.

Nobody denies that Bolshevism, financed by the literal Anglo-Saxon Engles without whom Marx would have had to have gotten a real job, has lots of Jewish fanbois.

That being said, the vast majority of Marxists are and always have been, Non-Jewish, from Beria to Stalin to Pol Pot to Mao Tse-Tung to Che O'Guevara to Bernadette Devlin.

The father of Culture Marxism isn't Marcuse - who added on to it further - but Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Marxist.

Kuhn, Loeb, and Schiff, the last of which pledged some $20 million to the cause, would like a word with you. They were the main financiers of the failed Decembrist revolution, and the Leninist coup. All Jewish, from New York, and not Anglo.

The fact is, as a minority’s minority, Jews will always be vastly outnumbered in how many cultural marxetteers they can bring to the party (and therefore, are not majorities — but this doesn’t prove more than how few Jews there are overall). They remain the originators, key orchestrators, and cheerleaders of cultural Marxism today.

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
Sever Plocker

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.

The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

פרסום ראשון: 12.21.06, 23:35
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

AmericanKulak says

Shvilli -ending: Compare former Georgian Presidents "Mikheil Saakashvili" or "Giorgi Margvelashvili" or Current Leader "Irakli Garibashvili".

And the "Inner Duma" is a myth. It's based on one Soviet government that lasted a few weeks. Lenin's government that ended up as the permanent structure had only one, maybe "one and a half", Jews out of almost 20.

The largest ethnicity represented in the Soviet Union disproportionate to size were Armenians, like Mikoyan of MiG Fame. The largest ethnicity in the Pre-WW2 NKVD was ... Latvian.

Right, Saakashvilli is son of Saaka, Margvelashvili is son of Margvela, and Jugashvilli is son of Jugas (Judas).

Sorry, the arm waving is too much. The Armenian and Latvian Soviet Duma. I’ll take the Nobel laureate and 200 Years Together for understanding Russian history, thanks.

AmericanKulak says

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
Sever Plocker

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

Within a short period of time, Chek (some text omitted to shorten quote...) not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

פרסום ראשון: 12.21.06, 23:35
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Thanks, encouraging to see this out there. I know Ron Unz has published something similar (on his website at least), though he may be persona non grata to the larger Jewish community.

goofus says

Thanks, encouraging to see this out there. I know Ron Unz has published something similar (on his website at least), though he may be persona non grata to the larger Jewish community.

All lies end up on the rubbish heap in time, it just doesn't take millennia for it to happen today. Some lies end up in the rubbish heap unchallenged and forgotten though, but today, I think they are dispatched.

Was JFK killed by a lone gunman? Isn't it interesting the CIA still has classified files on his murder to this day - I wonder why?

I'm seeing lies that happened in my lifetime being dismantled. You think I figured out Emad Salem was a FIB informant and told the FIB about the impending bombing of the WTC in 1996, or you think I heard it from somebody else, researched it, and was convinced? I remember when I heard that as a "conspiracy theory", and discovering it was true 20 years ago. Boy was I surprised.

The problem today is disinformation. You have to spend considerable time to find out that the rumor you heard isn't true. Alex Jones does this all the damned time. I genuinely dislike him, because I know he knows better but he'll report on a false story in a second, he doesn't care. He's got to report something every day, the better people report when they have something to report on. Jones has no problem spreading manure.

@goofus - I recommend Ryan Dawson - he's arrogant, can be over-bearing, and is bitter - but he does quite a bit of due diligence to be correct. https://www.ancreport.com/

podcasts: https://www.ancreport.com/category/podcast/
documentaries: https://www.ancreport.com/category/documentary/
news: https://www.ancreport.com/category/report/

I'll warn you, the documentaries are EXTREMELY dense. I find him to be reliable, but he hides sources at times but I've never known him to lie or knowingly spread bad information, but he DOES make mistakes. Who doesn't?

richwicks says

The problem today is disinformation. You have to spend considerable time to find out that the rumor you heard isn't true. Alex Jones does this all the damned time. I genuinely dislike him, because I know he knows better but he'll report on a false story in a second, he doesn't care. He's got to report something every day, the better people report when they have something to report on. Jones has no problem spreading manure.

Yes exactly. It needs to pass the “does this make sense to me?” test. Jones is all over the place (reminds me of Glenn Beck in that sense) — frenetic, not too smart, and not too discriminating in what he reports. Ultimately tars good ideas with the same brush as the hokum.

Thanks for the Dawson rec.

Seem US propaganda networks are constantly having to ask Ukraine military to cover up their swastikas according to a recent article.

NuttBoxer says

Seem US propaganda networks are constantly having to ask Ukraine military to cover up their swastikas according to a recent article.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/journalists-are-asking-ukrainian-soldiers-hide-their-nazi-patches-nyt-admits

The New York Times has been forced to very, very belatedly deal with something which had long been obvious and known to many independent analysts and media outlets, but which has been carefully shielded from the mainstream masses in the West for obvious reasons.

The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History." This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem. This has been exhaustively documented, again, going back years. But the report, which merely tries to downplay it as a "thorny issue" of Ukraine's "unique" "History" - suggests that the real problem for Western PR is fundamentally that it's being displayed so openly. Ukrainian troops are being asked to cover those Nazi symbols please!--as Matt Taibbi sarcastically quipped in commenting on the report.

I'm just thinking here, but US propaganda networks are against Russia right? So they would WANT to photograph Russian swastika's correct? So where are all those pictures? I mean if this is an Eastern Europe/old USSR problem as some here say, why hasn't this been a big talking point for why US should support the war? Last time I checked, most people are still anti-Nazi, or maybe not...

goofus says

Kuhn, Loeb, and Schiff, the last of which pledged some $20 million to the cause, would like a word with you. They were the main financiers of the failed Decembrist revolution, and the Leninist coup. All Jewish, from New York, and not Anglo.

Nothing to do with Marx himself.

As for the Revolution:
Lenin was literally put on a sealed diplomatic train by the Kaiser's High Command and given the money to start the first Communist revolution because the Liberal one was going too slowly to end the war.

It was the Kaiser who funded Lenin and got him and his comrades back into Russia to replace the Kerensky government.

https://providencemag.com/2018/03/devil-boxcar-unleashed-lenin/

The Kaiser created the USSR, then Hitler cooperated and traded massive amounts with the USSR, before going to war with the USSR.

Hitler's First priority was to invade Democratic Republics, first, from Poland to Czechoslovakia to Denmark. USSSR was LAST on his list.

Another big problem is Distraction and Entryism, it's part of Destabilization and Demoralization.

Questioning heroic events from the US past and putting them down is no different than what Left Wokies do by emphasizing Slavery (confined to a handful of owners that really existed in any numbers/time in only one section of the US) to be the fault of the whole country and it's founding ideal.

Remember folks, "But muh Socialism is the gud socialism" is also manipulation and distraction, it creates the enemy necessary to justify the budget and the power.

Finally, always ask, who is paying for this? How does a kid who parents declared bankruptcy just a few years ago have endless millions to keep a website going in Pennsylvania?

Actually, if you read Griffin, he dedicates a section to the overthrow of the Czar, stating it was specifically carried out by the banks, with the NY cartel definitely being involved.

The Kerensky Government was already in place, but it wasn't moving fast enough to end the war on the Eastern Front.
https://spartacus-educational.com/Lenin_Sealed_Train.htm

The Kaiser's High Command put Lenin and his cadre on the Sealed Diplomatic Train, something only a government can do.

Of course they got the money from banks, but the intel-diplo arrangement necessary to get him inside Russia was the Kaiser's Government

General Erich Ludendorff who later admitted his involvement in his autobiography, My War Memories, 1914-1918 (1920) that he told senior officials: "Our government, in sending Lenin to Russia, took upon itself a tremendous responsibility. From a military point of view his journey was justified, for it was imperative that Russia should fall."

General Max Hoffmann, chief of the German General Staff on the Eastern Front commented: "We naturally tried, by means of propaganda, to increase the disintegration that the Russian Revolution had introduced into the Army. Some man at home who had connections with the Russian revolutionaries exiled in Switzerland came upon the idea of employing some of them in order to hasten the undermining and poisoning of the morale of the Russian Army."

AmericanKulak says

Nothing to do with Marx himself.

As for the Revolution:
Lenin was literally put on a sealed diplomatic train by the Kaiser's High Command and given the money to start the first Communist revolution because the Liberal one was going too slowly to end the war.

It was the Kaiser who funded Lenin and got him and his comrades back into Russia to replace the Kerensky government.

https://providencemag.com/2018/03/devil-boxcar-unleashed-lenin/

The Kaiser created the USSR, then Hitler cooperated and traded massive amounts with the USSR, before going to war with the USSR.

Hitler's First priority was to invade Democratic Republics, first, from Poland to Czechoslovakia to Denmark. USSSR was LAST on his list.

All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser. They seem to be incapable of realistic assesment of their own capabilitues (or lack of thereof). And they did it mere decade after the spectacular ass-wooping by Japan which almost toppled the regime, but they somehow fucking forgot that lesson. Low IQ is a curse.

They woul've lost to Hitler too if US didn't step in with our industrial might and bail them out. Still managed to waste 40 million of their own
people (and, astonishingly, they are proud of the fact).

RWSGFY says

All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser.

We're talking WW1, not WW2.

The Czar honored his alliance with France as far as I remember.

Too bad the Kerensky Government didn't succeed, there would have been no WW2.

WW1 was the greatest disaster to befall Western Civ.

During and the end of it:

Universal Suffrage for Women, which created the Welfare State and the breakdown of the Family

The expansion of the Romantic Left reaction to Liberalism, which is has now made a synthesis with Corporate Oligarchy and Technocrat Bureaocracy, in the Cultural Marxism phase.

Mass immigration when the Third World largely failed to handle independence.

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser.

We're talking WW1, not WW2.

Obviously. Which part of my statement above is incorrect? They lost to Zee Germanz who in turn lost to Antanta. And they didn't run out of warm bodies to throw into the fire of war but of various supplies, including even fooking bread, causing hunger riots in the capital, which is mighty ironic if you think about it.

RWSGFY says

Obviously. Which part of my statement above is incorrect? They lost to Zee Germanz who in turn lost to Antanta. And they didn't run out of warm bodies to throw into the fire of war but of various supplies, including even fooking bread, causing hunger riots in the capital, which is mighty ironic if you think about it.

Typical Russian neglect of logistics.

RWSGFY says

All this wouldn't be possible if Russia didn't stupidly walk into the war and managed to lose to a loser.

Actually, none of it would have been possible without propaganda. It's the only way communism has ever survived. It's first and most important weapon. Animal Farm is a great short take.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/conspiracy-facts-thursday-june-8?publication_id=463409&post_id=126879498&isFreemail=true

It’s getting hard to keep up with them all. A second, now-confirmed conspiracy fact appeared in the New York Times Monday, in a wild article headlined “Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History.”

Uh-oh!

Now, I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking about how Joe Biden laughed like a braying donkey when a reporter questioned Ukrainian Nazis, and about how the Times itself has repeatedly promised you that there are no Nazis in Ukraine, zip, zero, not even one, because Putin. Putin is the real Nazi, if anybody is, they said. Stop spreading misinformation, they said.

Listen. This story isn’t about Ukrainian Nazis, not really, nor about the inconvenient fact Putin has apparently been telling the truth since Day Zero. (Don’t fret about that, scum like Putin don’t deserve apologies.) No. This story is about how the fact that Ukrainians love Nazis might somehow help the Russians. And that’s all it is about.

The sub-headline told the Times’ readers how they should interpret this potentially-troubling news:




Gosh. It’s so aggravating! The Ukrainians aren’t fitting the Times’ carefully-crafted noble-war narrative! The Times’ reporter struggled as best he could to find a way to shade the news. Using terms like “thorny,” “unfortunate,” and “bad optics,” the paper gently and carefully conceded that a lot of Ukrainian soldiers’ uniforms do, in fact, proudly sport Nazi swastikas and other appalling Third Reich imagery.

But see, they’re not “real” Nazis, no. Here’s how the Times explained it:

The iconography of these groups, including a skull-and-crossbones patch worn by concentration camp guards and a symbol known as the Black Sun, now appears with some regularity on the uniforms of soldiers fighting on the front line, including soldiers who say the imagery symbolizes Ukrainian sovereignty and pride, not Nazism.
The “Black Sun” symbol is also known as a Sonnenrad. It first popped up in the castle of occultist Heinrich Himmler, the infamous Nazi general and SS leader. According to the Times, these days the Black Sun is popular among neo-Nazis and white supremacists … and Ukrainians.

But… it’s just Pride! Not fun leather festival rainbow pride, silly. The boot-in-your-face, Zyklon-B shower, skinheaded Neo-Nazi kind. The reporter didn’t even TRY to connect the roots of “Ukrainian sovereignty and pride” to the concentration camp guard logos and occult Black Sun icons. They just said it, ipse dixit, pouring the hyper-processed lie into the Times’ jingoistic dog food bowl, for their credulous readers to lap up.

Slurp, slurp. ...

Possibly the most disgraceful part of the story was when the Times admitted that news rooms are regrettably being forced, with public relations guns held to their temples, to often delete or clean up photos of Ukrainian soldiers and allied militants. “The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military’s complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II,” the article explained.

Faking photos? I mean, what are they SUPPOSED to do? It’s very, very complicated. ...




When there’s a proxy war on, the captured media becomes more … flexible. And understanding. Not to mention open-minded. The Times generously found that explicit Ukrainian Nazi imagery isn’t automatically hate speech, not necessarily, not really, not like when a Republican stage is loosely shaped like a swastika when you look at it from the right angle:

In the American South, some have insisted that today, the Confederate flag symbolizes pride, not its history of racism and secession. The swastika was an important Hindu symbol before it was co-opted by the Nazis… the symbols [have] meanings … unique to Ukraine and should be interpreted by how Ukrainians view[] them, not by how they [have] been used elsewhere.
A Hindu symbol! They’re probably Hindus!

Um, but what about all that other stuff? Is the Death’s Head logo Hindu, too? What about the Black Sun?

As you can tell, I’m having a great time sarcastically pointing out the Times’ double-, triple-, or quadruple-standards. But it’s really worse than that. The Times itself castigated the Ukrainian military as being packed with Nazis only a few years ago, as recently as 2019. One wonders whether the average Times reader has an effective attention span longer than a cocker spaniel.

Patrick says

As you can tell, I’m having a great time sarcastically pointing out the Times’ double-, triple-, or quadruple-standards.

They have no standards. They are openly a propaganda platform. Nobody actually reads the NY Times, it's kept alive through government funds of some sort to product for propaganda.

The are a "respected news source", so whatever bullshit they say at this time in considered to be a gold standard. They are referenced but not read. They lost their credibility with Judith Miller, and anybody that paid attention to that sociopathic cunt abandoned the paper after that, since she was clearly a propagandist. It's been over 15 years. Advertising is not keeping them alive.

Maybe I should buy a paper and see who their supposed advertisers are. I bet it's all Offense Contractors.

What's happening with the Offensive? I heard it began a short time ago but haven't heard any news.

Then again, this war is damned short of coverage.

Funny how in 1991 back when there were BBSs with dialup and usage in the Western World in the low single digits, we sure had a shitton of info. Knew within an hour of Saddam's T-64s crossing into Saudi Arabia or a bridge near Baghdad got bombed with footage from the hotel.

Yet now with smartphones in everybody's hands, even the trash collector on a mule in the Mato Grasso had one, we don't know shit about battles.

AmericanKulak says

Funny how in 1991 back when there were BBSs with dialup and usage in the Western World in the low single digits, we sure had a shitton of info. Knew within an hour of Saddam's T-64s crossing into Saudi Arabia or a bridge near Baghdad got bombed with footage from the hotel.

In TEXT perhaps. I remember those times. You didn't have video or even audio. A single picture took MINUTES to download, at 56K baud, and that was state of the art in 1991.

You had people reporting, at BEST, and BBSes were mostly local. We weren't dialing across the country much less across continents.

Video was nascent, even on a campus network. You'd get 1-10 seconds of a grainy video, and all of it was pornography.