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AmericanKulak says

Zionism is beautiful, wonderful, righteous Nationalism as good as Basque, Polish, Scottish, or Irish Nationalism. Some get butthurt to see the Jews in a state with nuclear weapons, knowing that they can no longer bully them or impose a final solution without paying a heavy toll.

This never happened. So tired of WWII propaganda.

If the aim of the Nazi regime was to wipe out the Jewish population, there would have been no slave labor camps, they would have simply been shot on site or taken to a burial location, and shot there.

AmericanKulak says

Thankfully, as long as Jews don't get suckered into a stupid one-state non-solution, Israel will remain.

Israeli PM's have REPEATEDLY said there will never be a two state solution. When they talk to the US government, they claim they want a two state solution. If they want a two state solution, they can have one, tomorrow. Just declare the borders of Israel, and what is left is Palestine. They will never do that. They don't need to negotiate at all.

AmericanKulak says

The "Deal" with the Nazis never amounted to much, was cancelled when the first stage of the Liebensraum in the East plan under Fall Weiss began, and was condemned by the vast majority of Zionist Organizations from Herzl's own (and largest) World Zionist Congress to the militant Jabotinsky.

I don't care about that. I'm pointing out that Zionists will readily make deals with anybody. Their STATED goals are entirely different from their actual ones.

Israel is a fascist state today. Israel, the government, directly funds foreign businesses headed by Zionists. These businesses are basically agents of Israel.

AmericanKulak says

Grand Mufti Hussyni did not get the pan-Levantine Caliphate he wanted. he worked with the Nazis and helped form the SS Handschar Brigade of Bosnians. What relationship does the Grand Mufti and Palestinians have with Bosnian Muslims? Well, "Shirley Temper" and the rest of the Tamimis, including the notorious Ahlam Tamimi, are Bosniaks resettled in Palestine by the Ottomans around 1900 due to the very low population of the area, and the Grand Mufti had Bosniak ancestors. That's why so many Palestians have blonde hair and Slavic features.

I don't care about the history so much at this point.

I'm just annoyed I constantly have to deal with propaganda of foreign states. Tired of it.

Let me give you a simple example, when was Israel ever a state before 1948? Rome was around in 0 AD, so was Egypt, and the Greek Empire. They all had historians that recorded contemporary history. Show me where any one of them mentioned any king or ruler of "Israel".

King David is as real as King Arthur.

richwicks says

This never happened. So tired of WWII propaganda.

If the aim of the Nazi regime was to wipe out the Jewish population, there would have been no slave labor camps, they would have simply been shot on site or taken to a burial location, and shot there.

They were. The camps had a 50/50 death rate. On top of that, there were outright shootings. Babi Yar for one. Europe is covered with mass extermination sites, which began by shooting the VIP Poles on lists (as did the gassing, though with Carbon Monoxide) during Fall Weiss.

We're already talked about the cremation ovens which were purpose built for disposing of large numbers of bodies en masse. The engineering company J. A. Topf and Sons, that made them openly admits to the fact.
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/technology-mass-murder

Consider we live in an era where the living decendents of people dead for centuries write multi-volume works about how their ancestor didn't make such-and-such a decision that resulted in a military defeat during the 30 Year's War

Originally, they used the city crematoria but there were too many complaints about the slowness, stench, and heavy traffic that was a bottleneck to the normal garbage disposal process as more and more camps opened up.

We also have the documents of Tesch & Stabenow, the largest producer of Zyklon B, a known nerve agent. Executives were hanged by the British in 1946 after a trial. One of the key points was their knowing removal of the foul stench that customarily applied to Hydrogen Cyanide as a final warning for insect exterminators and others that it was still present in deadly concentrations, at the behest of the SS who didn't want to tip off "visitors".
https://www.executedtoday.com/2017/05/16/1946-bruno-tesch-and-karl-weinbacher-zyklon-b-manufacturers/

richwicks says

King David is as real as King Arthur.

Once upon a time, Troy was considered a fantasy until Schliemann found it. And then he had to fight for years before snobs not liking his "amateur" status finally conceded.

Tel Dan Steele and the Karnak Temple in Egypt for two. Both are arguments from enemies of the "House of David": A foreign king boasting of defeating Joram son of Aham, mentioned in the Old Testament. While Karnak contains a reference to Pharoah Shashank conquering the "Heights of David". Both are from the 900s BC.
richwicks says

I don't care about that. I'm pointing out that Zionists will readily make deals with anybody. Their STATED goals are entirely different from their actual ones.

Israel is a fascist state today. Israel, the government, directly funds foreign businesses headed by Zionists. These businesses are basically agents of Israel.

Israel is not a fascist state, that's absurd - laughably so given they have Arab Muslims in the government and they have full rights of citizenship.

ALL Nationalist groups make deals with whomever.

Clan na Gael, and Irish Nationalist Group, made deals with the Kaiser to bomb neutral US shipping in the 1910s, infect US horses with anthrax, etc. The Fenian Brotherhood attempted to invade Canada after the Civil War with US weapons and sabotaged the USS Michigan, a Navy ship, that might intercept them crossing the Great Lakes. The goal being to hold Canada hostage in return for Ireland. The group of incidents is called the "Fenian Raiders" and caused a massive crisis in US-UK relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_raids

It's nothing special.

To quote the Civilization Series: Israel's words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS! Zionism is here to stay

richwicks says

I'm just annoyed I constantly have to deal with propaganda of foreign states. Tired of it.

It'll be forever.

Russia has propaganda, Ukraine has propaganda, Israel has propaganda, Germany has propaganda, Trotsky has propaganda, Stalin has propaganda, the Left has propaganda, Libertarians have propaganda, etc. etc. etc.

Sometimes it's advertising truth. Sometimes it's half-truth. Sometimes it's a lie by omission.

1619 is propaganda. Whig History is Propaganda. Anti-Whig History is Propaganda. Zionism is propaganda, and anti-Zionism is certainly propaganda.

It will always be.

AmericanKulak says

They were. The camps had a 50/50 death rate. On top of that, there were outright shootings. Babi Yar for one. Europe is covered with mass extermination sites, which began by shooting the VIP Poles on lists (as did the gassing, though with Carbon Monoxide) during Fall Weiss.

There were mass killings, for people unfit to work. There were no "death camps", they were slave labor camps, and plenty of people died in them as well.

AmericanKulak says

Once upon a time, Troy was considered a fantasy until Schliemann found it. And then he had to fight for years before snobs not liking his "amateur" status finally conceded.

Troy did have references in Greek literature. It fell well before 0 AD. Like 2000 years before. That's why it was disputed.

Israel, SUPPOSEDLY was a contemporary of Rome. SUPPOSEDLY the Romans created the diaspora of Jews in 70 AD. What's likely is there was a Jewish presence there, but they were not the rulers.

AmericanKulak says

Israel is not a fascist state, that's absurd - laughably so given they have Arab Muslims in the government and they have full rights of citizenship.

ARGH. I'm talking about economics.

Fascism is when state support is directly given to corporations to ensure their success. The Volkswagon Beetle is the most famous example. It was made by Porsche and given state support to make "the People's car". Forget the stupid "race and nationalism" bullshit. That's Nazi ideology which incorporated the economics of fascism.

AmericanKulak says

To quote the Civilization Series: Israel's words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS! Zionism is here to stay

Zionism will destroy itself in time. They are utterly incapable of working to mutual benefit.

Trump bent over backwards to agree to their demands, and when Biden "won", the first person to congratulate him was Netanyahu. There's no point in cooperating with them. Israel is a money sinkhole. Trump moved the embassy, declared the Golan Heights to "belong" to Israel. Well outside his purview, but whatever. The US embassy was already in Jerusalem and had been for decades effectively, just not technically, and the Golan Heights has been controlled by Israel for something like 40 years and it doesn't matter what the US says about it really.

Just like it would make more sense for the EU to dump their relationship with the United States and forge good relations with Russia, it makes more sense for the United States to dump their relationship with Israel and forge good relations with the rest of the Middle East. It would have saved probably around 10 trillion dollars but since the US didn't, well, it might kill us.

Eventually everybody is forced to make good decisions in their best interest or just stop existing.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

I'm just annoyed I constantly have to deal with propaganda of foreign states. Tired of it.

It'll be forever.

Russia has propaganda, Ukraine has propaganda, Israel has propaganda, Germany has propaganda, Trotsky has propaganda, Stalin has propaganda, the Left has propaganda, Libertarians have propaganda, etc. etc. etc.

Sometimes it's advertising truth. Sometimes it's half-truth. Sometimes it's a lie by omission.

1619 is propaganda. Whig History is Propaganda. Anti-Whig History is Propaganda. Zionism is propaganda, and anti-Zionism is certainly propaganda.

It will always be.

At some point give up dude. Rich is set in his ways and believes he knows everything and doesn't listen to a damn thing. He's "so fucking sick of everything!!! Raaaahhhhh!!" Conversation is dead at this point.

You are 1,000% correct that everything is propaganda. You have to decipher what propaganda is the worst. His default is the US and Zionist. Make one wonder where he's from.... Seems like a bot at this point, but I believe Patrick has met him in person supposedly. Could have been a lackey.

richwicks says

There were mass killings, for people unfit to work. There were no "death camps", they were slave labor camps, and plenty of people died in them as well.

They were both. People deemed unfit to work were exterminated right away after 1944.

richwicks says

Zionism will destroy itself in time. They are utterly incapable of working to mutual benefit.

Nope. Zionism has been around since before the Temple was destroyed by the Romans. It's not going anywhere. You don't believe, but I do, and it's God's Will. "Propaganda!" you might say. But it was highly unlikely and happened anyway.

richwicks says

ARGH. I'm talking about economics.

Fascism is when state support is directly given to corporations to ensure their success. The Volkswagon Beetle is the most famous example. It was made by Porsche and given state support to make "the People's car". Forget the stupid "race and nationalism" bullshit. That's Nazi ideology which incorporated the economics of fascism.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Most small states have to have public-private corporations to some degree. If by fascism you mean government support of corporations, most European states are despite heavily advertised "privatization" of their Telecoms for example.

Canada doesn't allow foreign majority ownership of utilities from Telecom to Banking.

Fascism is a much broader thing in my view, the subversion of the individual to the State/Race. In which case, Israel, with the Turkish Millet System, has every ethnic group running it's own set of civil laws. For example, Armenians and Arabs have their own millet for determining things like inheritance and marriage. That's pluralism/decentralization, not Fascism.

richwicks says

Trump bent over backwards to agree to their demands, and when Biden "won", the first person to congratulate him was Netanyahu.

Nope. Macron and BoJo were first. Netanyahu is running a state, he has to make nice with whomever is President of the USA. Generally, country's geopoliical strategy has bupkes to do with individual politicians.

Again, Zionism is just Hebrew Nationalism. Again, like Irish Nationalism, Zionism comes in many flavors.

Zionism had hardline Lehi/Stern Gang wings and more moderate wings. In Irish Nationalism, they had De Valera banning the IRA in a very similar story.

Israel will be here for centuries of enjoyment, the future looks bright.

Best thing is to remove the special racist UNRWA treatment for Palestinians that makes them refugees no matter how much property and citizenships they have around the world, and treat them like the UNHCR treats all the rest of the worlds refugees - no longer refugees if they have residency anywhere.

AmericanKulak says

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Most small states have to have public-private corporations to some degree. If by fascism you mean government support of corporations, most European states are despite heavily advertised "privatization" of their Telecoms for example.

The problem with this sort of economic system is that you're compelled to work with the state, no matter what the state is doing, because the state will use tax funds to bankrupt you. So, if you're working in a nation that is constantly lying about wars and starts them for fun and profit, you have to support it to survive.

AmericanKulak says

Zionism had hardline Lehi/Stern Gang wings and more moderate wings.

Well those "moderates" blew up the King David Hotel, did the Sargent's Affair, murdered Count Bernadotte to prevent a resolution between the Palestinians and Zionists in 1948 and offered to align themselves with the Nazis against the British during WWII, when the British were at war with the Nazis.

AmericanKulak says

Best thing is to remove the special racist UNRWA

Look, the UN is pointless and full of shit. The best thing to do is dissolve the UN. It's a facade. It's just a bunch of criminals, and child rapists in it. Peter Dalglish is one of the more notable examples.

https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/aid-predators-what-ex-un-worker-s-sentencing-means-for-international-ngos-28693

Look at the position he was in. He should have been brought before the UN with a full assembly, tortured, and then executed. That would make a lot of people at the UN think twice about doing that kind of shit again. He's well connected, he's on an 8 year vacation at a country club.

richwicks says

Well those "moderates" blew up the King David Hotel,
...
murdered Count Bernadotte

Irgun and Lehi. The hardline wings. Not the center.

Are you as mad about the King David - then used as the headquarters of the British Mandate - as you are about the multitudes of bombings by the IRA across not only Northern Ireland but Britain and Europe?

You probably can't name one of the many, many bombings by the IRA, many of which had fatalities and injuries.

Here's a few:
Omagh - civilians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing (1998)
Hyde and Regency Park - blew up bands playing music from the theater production "Oliver" for tourists:
https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Hyde_Park_and_Regent's_Park_bombings

Birmingham Pubs, 1974. All Civilians, including children - 21 deaths, almost 200 injuries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_pub_bombings

And a list of all the Bombings in the Troubles, the vast majority against civilians and most by the IRA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Troubles

These are just 3 of the most famous, there are scores of bombings, mostly with civilian victims, by the IRA since the 1970s.

Why is it you remember a bombing from the 1940s against a military-government target, but not bombings in your own lifetime?

Because it wasn't the Great Zionist Hobgoblin doing the bombings.

Can we get into Basque Bombings? Hundreds of Civilian causalties. Not a peep about those.
https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks

richwicks says

The problem with this sort of economic system is that you're compelled to work with the state, no matter what the state is doing, because the state will use tax funds to bankrupt you. So, if you're working in a nation that is constantly lying about wars and starts them for fun and profit, you have to support it to survive.

Disagree. Sometimes there needs to be one, like utility companies in less developed areas, or it won't get done at all.

It's much like the Liberty accident, which happened in the middle of a live shooting war where the USN/NSA itself thought their own ship was safely hundreds of miles from the Combat Zone, was immediately apologized for, and two sets of indemnities within months. Every "Hobgoblin Hater" remembers that more than a Half Century on.

Few remember the plethora of Blue-on-Blue accidents. Here's two, both involving the Brits and US A-10s, from both Iraq Wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/190th_Fighter_Squadron,_Blues_and_Royals_friendly_fire_incident
https://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1991/jul/24/friendly-fire-incidents

And the family members of both are just as butthurt "Oh the American pilots KNEW they were British." Yet there aren't 1000 geocities websites telling "The TROOF! about American A-10s deliberately firing on British Vehicles! How DARE they BACKSTAB their ALLIES! Perfidious America! Never trust an American! Remember JP Morgan and the Federal Reserve! They PLANNED this!"

In 1968, the USAF attacked the heavy cruiser USS Boston, a ship massively larger than anything the NVA had. "Perfidious USAF, always trying to hurt the USN!"

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between that attack on the USS Liberty which went on for hours and included jamming of frequencies, and a heat of battle friendly fire incident.

AmericanKulak says

In 1968, the USAF attacked the heavy cruiser USS Boston, a ship massively larger than anything the NVA had. "Perfidious USAF, always trying to hurt the USN!"

Disingenuous. The F4 Phantoms fired AIM 9 missiles at what they thought were NVA helicopters. The USS Liberty was under attack for hours by many aircraft and attack ships.

AmericanKulak says

Are you as mad about the King David - then used as the headquarters of the British Mandate - as you are about the multitudes of bombings by the IRA across not only Northern Ireland but Britain and Europe?

I'm not angry at all.

All I'm pointing out is the inconsistencies in values and the hypocrisy, and people's dual standards.

That's the thing with Israel, all of a sudden, there's "well, yeah, we're doing the same thing but we're an exception because..."

No they aren't.

When they attacked USS Liberty, we should have gone to war with them. When they did the Lavon Affair, we should have dropped relations with them. There's good evidence they were involved with the assassination of JFK and RFK. There's AMPLE evidence they were involved with 9/11. They provided the false documents of the "yellowcake uranium" that Saddam Hussein was supposedly sourcing from Niger.

The so-called "dancing Israelis" on 9/11 were all Israeli, they were obviously spies. They lionized John Pollard. They're the ones that bankrolled and funded Jeffrey Epstein.

We couldn't have a worse "friend". They are a backstabbing lot and they can do what they want to do, but I see no reason for the United States to support them. The US should simply abandon relations and forge relations with the rest of the Middle East. This would be in the best interests of the United States. The US remains "allies" with them, because of people like Jeffrey Epstein.

AmericanKulak says

You probably can't name one of the many, many bombings by the IRA, many of which had fatalities and injuries.

Nope, I can't. We don't fund them. It's England's problem. That's how Israel should be treated.

AmericanKulak says

Disagree. Sometimes there needs to be one, like utility companies in less developed areas, or it won't get done at all.

Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon are all tightly linked with the US government.

Parler was destroyed by all 4 of those companies, because they weren't playing ball. Parler was an up and coming competitor to Twitter and Facebook.

Amazon didn't just kick them off from the AWS servers, they deleted everything on the servers. Why would Amazon do this? Because the government told them to do it.

If Russian neo-Nazis are fighting against Ukraine as part of Russian forces, then they have “already corrected themselves.” This was announced to Fontanka by State Duma deputy, chairman of the defense committee Andrei Kartapolov. The interview was published on March 2, and on March 5 journalist Roman Kulguskin drew attention to it.

Kartapolov is a co-author of the amendments, which were adopted in early March and introduced criminal penalties for “discrediting” fighters of “volunteer formations” fighting on the side of Russia. Fontanka journalist Yulia Nikitina asked the deputy if it was possible to tell that among these volunteers there were neo-Nazis, in particular, from the Rusich sabotage and assault reconnaissance group (DSHRG).

“You can’t take it and just like that unsubstantiatedly declare that these people support the Nazis. We have no grounds for this, ”Kartapolov replied.

When the journalist objected that there were reasons (“There are a lot of interviews where the founder [of Rusich] Aleksey Milchakov directly says that he is a Nazi, there are photographs where they zigue, there are photographs of their swastika tattoos”), the deputy replied: “I think that they have already removed the tattoos and no longer zigue."

“If they perform tasks as part of a grouping of Russian troops, then they have already corrected themselves,” the deputy added.

richwicks says

When they attacked USS Liberty, we should have gone to war with them. When they did the Lavon Affair, we should have dropped relations with them. There's good evidence they were involved with the assassination of JFK and RFK. There's AMPLE evidence they were involved with 9/11. They provided the false documents of the "yellowcake uranium" that Saddam Hussein was supposedly sourcing from Niger.

This has already been explained. As usual, you leave out the nearly instant payouts made and the fact the USS Liberty did not receive instructions to leave the area, communicated almost a day before by 6th Fleet, which resulted in a massive crash upgrade to Med Communications by the USN. Or that it occured in the middle of a hot war mere miles from active WW2 style tank battles.

In fact, the reason the jets were dispatched was a call by an Israeli Army force calling out that they suspected shelling coming from a ship they themselves could see off the coast.

60 years on and this is the only go-to for Israel bashers with the least bit of grisle.

You have a particular humbug with Israel. When asked to show proof - emails, calls, etc. - you have none. Keeping in mind within months of COVID, we had Fauci and other emails leaked showing their bizarre decisions including Fauci saying no Masks were needed for Air Travel to/from China to a high ranking Government Employee.

richwicks says

The so-called "dancing Israelis" on 9/11 were all Israeli, they were obviously spies. They lionized John Pollard. They're the ones that bankrolled and funded Jeffrey Epstein.

No evidence for any of this, especially Epstein.

HeadSet says

Disingenuous. The F4 Phantoms fired AIM 9 missiles at what they thought were NVA helicopters. The USS Liberty was under attack for hours by many aircraft and attack ships.

This is a myth, the USS Liberty was attacked being the SAME EXACT build of Ship known to be operated by the Egyptian Navy, also a WW2 cargo ship mass produced, and also converted with antennae masts into a Command Ship by the Egyptians, the El-Kasir. The El-Kasir had large antennae fore and aft with a stack admidships, and presented the same silhouette the USS Liberty did, antennae fore and aft with a stack amidships, as a USN Judge concurred with.

The US Attache to Israel confirmed to the IDF that morning that NO US ships were in the area within hundreds of miles of the area in question. Per 6th Fleet commands, the Liberty was supposed to be long gone from the area - but did not receive the instructions and continued cruising the area, collecting ELINT and SIGINT from all the SA-2s and Soviet Radars dumped on Egypt in vast quantities. I wonder why the US was interested in listening, and later helping Israel?

One hour, including the time for first contact with a super sonic plane, to the attack by Patrol Boats limited to knots. The Patrol Boats, being at sea level, did see the flag and the writing on the side of the vessel which was impossible to see in a French Supersonic Fighter at a thousand feet up looking down at a steep angle. Once they did so, the immediately stopped firing, contacted shore, and began initiating rescue operations.

Another charge validated by a USN Judge was that the Liberty refused to identify itself to the IDF Patrol Boats on radio, that they did indeed receive the request for ID but did not respond.

Real life is not a video game where enemies appear Red, friends Blue, and Neutrals Yellow. No HUD, No IFF, no Networked Area Maps in 1967 French Export Aircraft.

Indemnities were paid within weeks, with a second set mere months later.

The Egyptians claim US Aircraft Carriers carried out the surprise attack on Egyptian Airfields in 1967.

Finally, there's a perfectly valid reason for the US to support Israel after 1967. The Soviets dumped 1000s of MiGs, T-55/64s, and SA-2s all over Egypt along with tens of thousands of advisors. You know, this thing called the Cold War and the enemy of my enemy's Client State is my friend type deal?

What is a nazi in 2023?

Finally a solid proof of existence of and extreme danger presented by Nazis in Ukraine:



More chilling details here:

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1640414201264115712?ref_src=patrick.net

AmericanKulak says

60 years on and this is the only go-to for Israel bashers with the least bit of grisle.

I don't particularly care to discuss this issue because people are unable to be objective about it or be dispassionate about it.

The largest foreign spy ring in the the US was Israeli. It was broken up shortly after 9/11. Remember that? the "Israeli art students"?

I get tired of talking about this. It's a fucking foreign nation, that if it was ANY other nation, we would have gone to war over all the bullshit they pull.

AmericanKulak says

No evidence for any of this, especially Epstein.

Ugh.

Jizzlane Maxwell's father was Robert Maxwell. He was a billionaire UK politician that was murdered. He got a Israeli state funeral. Les Wexner was Epstein's SOLE client, meaning his handler. Les Wexner is Jewish. Jean-Luc Brunel was killed in a Paris prison for trafficking girls in the same exact way Jeffrey Epstein was (what are the chances??), he ran One Mother modelling agency. He was also Jewish. He procured girls.

Ohhhh, it's just a fucking coincidence.



I already know, quickly, is there's any amount of fucking evidence that will satisfy somebody. Not with you, at least not about this.

It's fucking obvious and it wouldn't matter if the Israeli state itself stated unequivocally that Epstein was an Israeli blackmail operation, you'd just deny it. You're just putting me through an exercise in futility. You're not serious about being correct, you just want to win an argument.

AmericanKulak says

This is a myth, the USS Liberty was attacked being the SAME EXACT build of Ship known to be operated by the Egyptian Navy, also a WW2 cargo ship mass produced, and also converted with antennae masts into a Command Ship by the Egyptians, the El-Kasir. The El-Kasir

They weren't the same fucking ship. The only similarity between them was that they floated on the ocean.

http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/mistakenid.htm

God, endlessly I hear total fucking bullshit constantly repeated, who wants to deal with debunking all the nonsense? You know how I know Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty? Because how much fucking bullshit is said about the event. That's what intelligence does when they do something fucking evil. They throw shitloads of nonsense out there, so nobody can talk about it.

Every single time when even 40 years later people are arguing about fundamental facts, that's intelligence being involved.

The “nazis” in Ukraine are funded by Jewish billionaire Igor Kolomoisky, among others. They are controlled opposition, akin to Yuri Bezmenov’s “useful idiots.”

Ukrainian nationalists, among them Banderas followers, know about the Holodomor but — perhaps owing to stringent anti-semitism laws in the USSR — believe the perpetrators were “Russians.” The Nazis under Hitler fought the Russians (though Hitler was aiming to overthrow Judeo-Bolsheviks), therefore eh voila, if we hate the Holodomor, we hate Russians and align with Nazis. Something like that, as best I can tell.

original link

Video begins at 6 minutes and 50 seconds in.

I hate those stupid introductions. They aren't needed.

goofus says

Ukrainian nationalists, among them Banderas followers, know about the Holodomor but — perhaps owing to stringent anti-semitism laws in the USSR — believe the perpetrators were “Russians.”

Actually, Georgians. It was ordered by former Seminary Student Stalin, who wasn't big on Jews himself, considering they were disproportionally his Great Purge Victims, and then again in the "Anti-Cosmopolitan" and "Doctor's Plot" campaigns after WW2.

Hitler invaded Poland and the USSR for Liebensraum in the East, which he dedicates page after page about in Mein Kampf, detailing why Germany was mistaken to try to get African colonies, esp. the difficulties with transiting through the Channel and/or around Britain given it had the most powerful navy of the time and in the century past, and instead should expand Eastward by land.

Official NSDAP doctrine was that the "Slawien" were a servitor race, better under German domination and numbers kept down - he gives examples of German Czars like Catherine the Great, the Tuetonic Order, etc.

Hitler certainly had no problem dividing up Eastern Europe with the USSR and trading massive amounts of hard currency and technical secrets with Stalin in return for Nickel, Iron, Oil, and Wheat. Hours after Barbarossa, trains laden with raw materials from the USSR were still entering Germany, Stalin refused to stop them despite reports of a massive attack.

https://www.britannica.com/event/German-Soviet-Nonaggression-Pact
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/soviet-german-trade-agreement-1939

For every Katyn, there's a Palmiry
https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/32371/Museum-of-the-Palmiry-Massacre.htm

Here's a few that happened immediately during and after the 1939 False Flag attack on Poland. We know it's a false flag because German Kommandos were picked up in Poland days, onAugust 25th before, trying to sieze the Jablonkow Tunnel, being under radio silence and not getting the delay order issued shortly after to September 1st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jab%C5%82onk%C3%B3w_incident
https://www.worldwar-two.net/events/operation_himmler/
Hitler also gave a Speech August 22nd announcing his planned invasion of Poland to the Wehrmacht. Notes were instantly available to both the British and American embassies via intelligence assets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Obersalzberg_Speech

Interestingly, Lieutenant Hans-Albrecht Herzner, who led the raid into Polish Territory before the Gleiwicz Radio Station False Flag, became the commander of the Nachitgall Battalion, active in the Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachtigall_Battalion

It was official doctrine, including for the Luftwaffe, to strafe and terror bomb Polish roads and cities to clog the roads and delay Polish mobilization and reinforcements.
https://ww2days.com/luftwaffe-prepares-final-terror-bombing-of-warsaw.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Wielun

Then of course, Hitler worked out a deal with the Georgian-Russian "Judeo-Bolshevik" Chief, Iosef Jugashvilli aka "Stalin"

There are two socialist mustache men, and it's a false dichotomy that people "have to take a side". Tankies and Wehraboos are always denying their preferred Mustache Man's atrocities and reasoning.



The biggest lie of WW2 is the #1 victim of state murder, which was Slavic POWs of Poland and the Soviet Union by both sides.

Yes - the massive death by neglect, overwork, and often outright shooting or burning them in locked buildings by the Nazis was followed by Stalin ordering many Soviet POWs sent to Gulags to be worked to death after the defeat of the Nazis.

AmericanKulak says

Actually, Georgians. It was ordered by former Seminary Student Stalin, who wasn't big on Jews himself, considering they were disproportionally his Great Purge Victims, and then again in the "Anti-Cosmopolitan" and "Doctor's Plot" campaigns after WW2.

Then of course, Hitler worked out a deal with the Georgian-Russian "Judeo-Bolshevik" Chief, Iosef Jugashvilli aka "Stalin"

Stalin’s given name literally translates as “Judas son” in Georgian: “iudas shvilo.” See google translate image file below (if I can get it to load). He also married a Jewish woman, set aside a Jewish oblast, and had key Jewish advisors (which is how the NKVD was so skewed at the upper levels).

The fascinating thing about Stalin is, while he had no trouble killing advisors, he only turned against Jews as a group after WW2 when Israel was formalized. It seems Stalin was angered that so many Jews would leave for Israel, putting ethnic commitment above communist pieties, and turned 180, removing most from positions of power within the party and military.

So yes, much as one might hate to admit it, Bolshevism was heavily Jewish, as is its modern analogue, cultural Marxism, a product of Marcuse et al at the Frankfurt School. Aka, Critical Theory progenitors. When people say you cannot understand the present without the past, this is exactly what they mean.

Just as Germans soul searched over WW2 and the rise of Hitler, so too should Jews (fractional or otherwise, like yours truly) examine their sympathies with Bolshevism, and ongoing encouragement of cultural Marxism.

goofus says

Stalin’s given name literally translates as “Judas son.” See google translate image file below (if I can get it to load). He also married a Jewish woman, set aside a Jewish oblast, and had key Jewish advisors (which is how the NKVD was so skewed at the upper levels).

Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili is not named Judas. Iosef is the Georgian version of Josef.

Stalin's mother and father were both Georgians, in fact Stalin was pushed to go to Eastern Georgian Orthodox seminary by his mother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keke_Geladze
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besarion_Jughashvili

All tales about his mother in particular are that of a devout Orthodox Woman who pushed him to go to seminary. As Iosef (not Iudas) was the only one of her children to survive, she wanted him to be in the Priesthood.

His first wife was the sister of his friend Alexander. The Svanidze family was minor Georgian nobility and not at all Jewish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kato_Svanidze

His second wife was known to Stalin most of his life, was of mixed Ukrainian and Georgian peasant descent. He married her at 40 and she was much younger. Given the names of all HER brothers and sisters, and that they spoke Georgian at home, I doubt they were Jewish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Alliluyeva

Stalin's most trusted, like Beria - Lavréntiy Pávlovich Bériya - ლავრენტი ბერია, were mostly Georgians. Beria himself had yet another devout Orthodox Mother.

Sorry to bust up your Pattern Seeking.

AmericanKulak says

Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili is not named Judas. Iosef is the Georgian version of Josef.

Stalin's mother and father were both Georgians, in fact Stalin was pushed to go …

In your example, we can see the I in Georgian transliterates as J (Iosef = Josef), leaving only the “g” of Jugashvilli (Iudas-shvilo = Judas son) unaccounted for.

As for Stalin in seminary etc, in tsarist-controlled Georgia, one can imagine crypto-Jews encouraging religious bonafides. It certainly happened in Spain.

Am I incorrect in his second wife being Jewish? The first died young. I don’t think we can assume her speaking Georgian precludes being ethnically Jewish.

goofus says

In your example, we can see the I in Georgian transliterates as J (Iosef = Josef), leaving only the “g” of Jugashvilli (Iudas-shvilo = Judas son) unaccounted for.

Iosef and Isoeb both = Josef or Joseph.

Shilvo != shvilli





No sources in the first 5 on Brave have Stalin's first Christian name meaning anything but Joseph.


Here's Stalin's Father, Besarion. Himself possibly the grandson of an Ossetian Freedom Fighter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besarion_Jughashvili
goofus says

As for Stalin in seminary etc, in tsarist-controlled Georgia, one can imagine crypto-Jews encouraging religious bonafides. It certainly happened in Spain.

Spain is far away from Georgia, a totally different history.

The mother was widely known for being devout. Every biography of Stalin mentions "Keke's" (Katarina) religious fervor and her desire for Iosef to attend Seminary and become a Georgian Orthodox Priest, which she did get him to go for a year.

She even called Iosef "Soso" which is the Georgian Diminuative for "Joey"
https://rupertcolley.com/2015/02/05/ekaterina-dzhugashvili-stalins-mother/

AmericanKulak says

Shilvo != shvilli

It’s shvilo, which is pretty darned close to shvili and probably denotes a possessive (“son of” Judas rather than just “son”). I’m not saying his mom would call him Judas. His name was Josef Judas-son, “Iosef Jugashvilli.”

The Soviet Union went to great lengths to hide the Jewish ancestry of the inner Duma, which was predominantly Jewish the first 20 years. (Yes, I consider Solzhenitsyn an exhaustively researched source, and a brilliant man.) It would not surprise me that biographers would omit or be unaware of that detail about Stalin.

goofus says

So yes, much as one might hate to admit it, Bolshevism was heavily Jewish, as is its modern analogue, cultural Marxism, a product of Marcuse et al at the Frankfurt School. Aka, Critical Theory progenitors. When people say you cannot understand the present without the past, this is exactly what they mean.

Nobody denies that Bolshevism, financed by the literal Anglo-Saxon Engles without whom Marx would have had to have gotten a real job, has lots of Jewish fanbois.

That being said, the vast majority of Marxists are and always have been, Non-Jewish, from Beria to Stalin to Pol Pot to Mao Tse-Tung to Che O'Guevara to Bernadette Devlin.

The father of Culture Marxism isn't Marcuse - who added on to it further - but Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Marxist.

goofus says

It’s shvilo, which is pretty darned close to shvili and probably denotes a possessive (“son of” Judas rather than just “son”).

The Soviet Union went to great lengths to hide the Jewish ancestry of the inner Duma, which was predominantly Jewish the first 20 years. (Yes, I consider Solzhenitsyn an exhaustively researched source, and a brilliant man.) It would not surprise me that biographers would omit or be unaware of that detail about Stalin.

Shvilli -ending: Compare former Georgian Presidents "Mikheil Saakashvili" or "Giorgi Margvelashvili" or Current Leader "Irakli Garibashvili".

And the "Inner Duma" is a myth. It's based on one Soviet government that lasted a few weeks. Lenin's government that ended up as the permanent structure had only one, maybe "one and a half", Jews out of almost 20.

The largest ethnicity represented in the Soviet Union disproportionate to size were Armenians, like Mikoyan of MiG Fame. The largest ethnicity in the Pre-WW2 NKVD was ... Latvian.

AmericanKulak says

goofus says

So yes, much as one might hate to admit it, Bolshevism was heavily Jewish, as is its modern analogue, cultural Marxism, a product of Marcuse et al at the Frankfurt School. Aka, Critical Theory progenitors. When people say you cannot understand the present without the past, this is exactly what they mean.

Nobody denies that Bolshevism, financed by the literal Anglo-Saxon Engles without whom Marx would have had to have gotten a real job, has lots of Jewish fanbois.

That being said, the vast majority of Marxists are and always have been, Non-Jewish, from Beria to Stalin to Pol Pot to Mao Tse-Tung to Che O'Guevara to Bernadette Devlin.

The father of Culture Marxism isn't Marcuse - who added on to it further - but Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Marxist.

Kuhn, Loeb, and Schiff, the last of which pledged some $20 million to the cause, would like a word with you. They were the main financiers of the failed Decembrist revolution, and the Leninist coup. All Jewish, from New York, and not Anglo.

The fact is, as a minority’s minority, Jews will always be vastly outnumbered in how many cultural marxetteers they can bring to the party (and therefore, are not majorities — but this doesn’t prove more than how few Jews there are overall). They remain the originators, key orchestrators, and cheerleaders of cultural Marxism today.

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
Sever Plocker

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.

The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

פרסום ראשון: 12.21.06, 23:35
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

AmericanKulak says

Shvilli -ending: Compare former Georgian Presidents "Mikheil Saakashvili" or "Giorgi Margvelashvili" or Current Leader "Irakli Garibashvili".

And the "Inner Duma" is a myth. It's based on one Soviet government that lasted a few weeks. Lenin's government that ended up as the permanent structure had only one, maybe "one and a half", Jews out of almost 20.

The largest ethnicity represented in the Soviet Union disproportionate to size were Armenians, like Mikoyan of MiG Fame. The largest ethnicity in the Pre-WW2 NKVD was ... Latvian.

Right, Saakashvilli is son of Saaka, Margvelashvili is son of Margvela, and Jugashvilli is son of Jugas (Judas).

Sorry, the arm waving is too much. The Armenian and Latvian Soviet Duma. I’ll take the Nobel laureate and 200 Years Together for understanding Russian history, thanks.

AmericanKulak says

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
Sever Plocker

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

Within a short period of time, Chek (some text omitted to shorten quote...) not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

פרסום ראשון: 12.21.06, 23:35
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Thanks, encouraging to see this out there. I know Ron Unz has published something similar (on his website at least), though he may be persona non grata to the larger Jewish community.

goofus says

Thanks, encouraging to see this out there. I know Ron Unz has published something similar (on his website at least), though he may be persona non grata to the larger Jewish community.

All lies end up on the rubbish heap in time, it just doesn't take millennia for it to happen today. Some lies end up in the rubbish heap unchallenged and forgotten though, but today, I think they are dispatched.

Was JFK killed by a lone gunman? Isn't it interesting the CIA still has classified files on his murder to this day - I wonder why?

I'm seeing lies that happened in my lifetime being dismantled. You think I figured out Emad Salem was a FIB informant and told the FIB about the impending bombing of the WTC in 1996, or you think I heard it from somebody else, researched it, and was convinced? I remember when I heard that as a "conspiracy theory", and discovering it was true 20 years ago. Boy was I surprised.

The problem today is disinformation. You have to spend considerable time to find out that the rumor you heard isn't true. Alex Jones does this all the damned time. I genuinely dislike him, because I know he knows better but he'll report on a false story in a second, he doesn't care. He's got to report something every day, the better people report when they have something to report on. Jones has no problem spreading manure.

@goofus - I recommend Ryan Dawson - he's arrogant, can be over-bearing, and is bitter - but he does quite a bit of due diligence to be correct. https://www.ancreport.com/

podcasts: https://www.ancreport.com/category/podcast/
documentaries: https://www.ancreport.com/category/documentary/
news: https://www.ancreport.com/category/report/

I'll warn you, the documentaries are EXTREMELY dense. I find him to be reliable, but he hides sources at times but I've never known him to lie or knowingly spread bad information, but he DOES make mistakes. Who doesn't?

richwicks says

The problem today is disinformation. You have to spend considerable time to find out that the rumor you heard isn't true. Alex Jones does this all the damned time. I genuinely dislike him, because I know he knows better but he'll report on a false story in a second, he doesn't care. He's got to report something every day, the better people report when they have something to report on. Jones has no problem spreading manure.

Yes exactly. It needs to pass the “does this make sense to me?” test. Jones is all over the place (reminds me of Glenn Beck in that sense) — frenetic, not too smart, and not too discriminating in what he reports. Ultimately tars good ideas with the same brush as the hokum.

Thanks for the Dawson rec.

Seem US propaganda networks are constantly having to ask Ukraine military to cover up their swastikas according to a recent article.

NuttBoxer says

Seem US propaganda networks are constantly having to ask Ukraine military to cover up their swastikas according to a recent article.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/journalists-are-asking-ukrainian-soldiers-hide-their-nazi-patches-nyt-admits

The New York Times has been forced to very, very belatedly deal with something which had long been obvious and known to many independent analysts and media outlets, but which has been carefully shielded from the mainstream masses in the West for obvious reasons.

The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History." This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem. This has been exhaustively documented, again, going back years. But the report, which merely tries to downplay it as a "thorny issue" of Ukraine's "unique" "History" - suggests that the real problem for Western PR is fundamentally that it's being displayed so openly. Ukrainian troops are being asked to cover those Nazi symbols please!--as Matt Taibbi sarcastically quipped in commenting on the report.

I'm just thinking here, but US propaganda networks are against Russia right? So they would WANT to photograph Russian swastika's correct? So where are all those pictures? I mean if this is an Eastern Europe/old USSR problem as some here say, why hasn't this been a big talking point for why US should support the war? Last time I checked, most people are still anti-Nazi, or maybe not...