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It was the USA.
The WaPo story alleging that it was the Ukrainians is obvious cover, with a limited hangout for USA intelligence and Biden. The WaPo’s “anonymous sources” don’t lend any credibility to the still completely unbelievable story that somehow a few Ukrainian soldiers were able to conduct that sophisticated diving operation with precision from a sailboat and with perfect timing. Not buying it!

Doesn't matter. At this point Biden could eat a live baby on television and no one would complain.

rocketjoe79 says

I'd really like to know. Tucker Carlson did his first Twitter Segment and now I'm confused.

If you haven't seen my links regarding deep-state Tucker, start there. Not saying to throw out the baby with the bathwater, but he is not an impartial source. The guy who reported on Mai Lai and Nordstream would be a better place to start. And as always, if you want the truth, look to truly independent media like Ryan Cristian and James Corbett.

Ok, yup, now I remember seeing the radar tracks of Navy Air Assets overhead and so on....

So what was our Strategy? Make it look like the Russkis did it, while cutting off their gas revenues? That backfired, since the ChiComs bought all the gas from Russia, then re-sold it to Euros for.....many extra Euros.

Side effect: making Euros pay extra for energy for years?? I guess this helps with global warming, right?

One thing is for sure; Russia did not blow up their own pipelines. The only country that had the sophisticated technology, equipment, and experienced personnel to conduct such an operation is the good ol' USA.

Rockefellers ordered it, obviously, through puppet Biden Actor to control and inflate natural gas prices in Europe. Yeah, shallow corporate commodities gaming, fuck the people, they are hostages to energy heroin.

That's why the palaver about gas stoves in USA, because they want the gas to be sold in more inflated markets. Without all that criminal cash and laundering in Ukraine, they have to make up the difference with their prime hostage commodity. One would hopium that this smacks of a kind of desperation, they are winging close to their international terrorism overhead redline.

original link

It's such a mystery!!!

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/a-year-of-lying-about-nord-stream

A YEAR OF LYING ABOUT NORD STREAM

The Biden administration has acknowledged neither its responsibility for the pipeline bombing nor the purpose of the sabotage

SEYMOUR HERSH
SEP 26, 2023

... The Biden administration blew up the pipelines but the action had little to do with winning or stopping the war in Ukraine. It resulted from fears in the White House that Germany would waver and turn on the flow of Russia gas—and that Germany and then NATO, for economic reasons, would fall under the sway of Russia and its extensive and inexpensive natural resources. And thus followed the ultimate fear: that America would lose its long-standing primacy in Western Europe.

YOUR MOM!

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Nah, too pussy for that.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

260' isn't that insane. Also doesn't have to be a dive either. Could have been a drone sub loaded with explosives. I could cut power and cable to most of Florida's intercostal waterway barrier islands in 30' of water snorkeling. It's all marked on public maps. It's not some huge feat to blow up a pipeline. All this stuff is mapped for maritime navigation. It doesn't take some rocket scientist to find it and blow it up.

Supposedly a 20 year old shot the former president. If true, anything is possible.

WookieMan says

260' isn't that insane. Also doesn't have to be a dive either. Could have been a drone sub loaded with explosives. I could cut power and cable to most of Florida's intercostal waterway barrier islands in 30' of water snorkeling. It's all marked on public maps. It's not some huge feat to blow up a pipeline. All this stuff is mapped for maritime navigation. It doesn't take some rocket scientist to find it and blow it up.

Supposedly a 20 year old shot the former president. If true, anything is possible.

The pipelines were not garden hoses at the bottom of the sea. They were high strength steel pipes encased in thick concrete. Shaped charges would have to be attached to the casing in order to penetrate / implode them. Divers would have to be down there to attach the shaped charges. Maritime maps are about as relevant as trying to steer your car using only GoogleMaps information remotely without any forward view from either eyes or cameras. What you can do at 30' has no relevance to what has to be done at 260', a depth that doubles the normal safe scuba diving depth of 130'. The bottom of the Baltic Sea is also fully monitored at all time by NATO as a way of detecting Soviet/Russian subs coming out.

The 20 year old only got as far as he did because the security was in stand-down mode, complete with cameramen hired to capture the moment that Trump's head was expected to explode. The same level of lame-stream news crew never attended any other Trump rally, and no one would shoot at 30fps burst frame rate for still photos unless they were expecting fast action before holding the camera viewfinder to their eye; burst frame rate is not a camera setting that can be turned on within a second after hearing the first gun shot either.

Kiev should pay if it blew up Nord Stream – German MP

Berlin is giving “billions” in aid to the “chief suspect” in the gas pipelines explosion, Sahra Wagenknecht has said

Germany urgently needs an independent parliamentary probe into the Nord Stream sabotage, veteran German left-wing politician Sahra Wagenknecht said in a video published on Thursday. If it’s proven that Kiev was behind the 2022 attack on the gas pipeline, it should be held responsible, she added.

The lawmaker, who also leads her own party – the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) – questioned what she calls Berlin’s ongoing “deafening silence” a full two years after the incident. Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s cabinet has stubbornly refused to share any substantial details about the ongoing inquiry into the blasts or its results with the parliament, she argued.

“The need for investigation is all the more urgent since Ukraine, which is a recipient of billions of German taxpayers’ money, is the chief suspect,” Wagenknecht said.

“If Ukraine is responsible for the terrorist act against the German energy supply, the arms deliveries must end immediately and the question of compensation must be put on the table.”

The MP cited numerous Western media reports which claim a group of Ukrainian divers blew up the Russian undersea pipelines that had delivered natural gas to Germany. The allegedly privately funded group was supposedly acting on orders from Ukrainian General Valery Zaluzhny, who was later dismissed and made Kiev’s ambassador to the UK, Der Spiegel reported earlier this month.

“Anyone who has friends like this really does not need any enemies,” Wagenknecht said, adding that “if this story is true, then we really have had a scandal of the century.” She cited other reports suggesting that Berlin may have been warned by the CIA about the potential attack but still took no action.

The subsequent government silence in the wake of the attack raises even more questions, she added.

“This refusal to cooperate with parliament and the public makes the establishment of an investigative committee, requested… by the BSW, ever more urgent,” Wagenknecht said. Berlin has yet to provide any official information on the probe. In August, German media reported that the authorities had issued a first arrest warrant in the case, allegedly for a Ukrainian national identified as “Vladimir Z.”

Germany is the second-biggest donor of military aid to Ukraine, totalling over €10 billion ($11.19 billion) between January 2022 and June 2024, according to the Kiel Institute for World Economy. Berlin has also provided Kiev with almost $5 billion in humanitarian and financial assistance over the same period, according to the think tank’s estimates.

https://www.rt.com/news/604800-kiev-pay-nord-stream-sabotage/