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NuttBoxer says

tanked says

Written records didn't enslave humanity. That is the definition of the start of history and the end of prehistory. Should we have stayed at 3200 BC level tech? Even speaking and language is technology. If you really want to go back to the true beginning of tech it's the ape man living in the cave. Or even further if you don't want any tech at all, before he figured out that the cave shelters him from the rain.

Pointing out the pros and cons of what occurred since the invention of the written record is not equivalent to saying that it automatically enslaved everyone. Verbal story telling was still allowed, and still is. Just have to have the individual ambition to do so.

Being enslaved, or not, is about the choice of the individual. So if you want to ban farmers from being able to buy tractors, or prevent it's invention, then the technocrat is you.

Also it's the big banksters as yo...

But you said it yourself, what technocrat is to blame for big bank usury, when they are run by technocrats. Are you confused?

So you want to ignore all the other examples, guessing because you don't have an explanation, and focus on this one. Fine. Do you believe people should not be compensated for the technology they create? A tractor is a complex machine, and you can't make it out of plastic. So this technology requires a substantial investment. That has nothing to do with anyone, it's simply a fact of the tractors existence. A tractor also gives the farm the ability to quickly produce more food using less manpower. I'll refer you to Steinbeck for that outcome. Also a fact of the tractor's existence. Banks are not technocrats, they are lenders to farmers who don't want to lose their farms, so they expand. If anything you could try and blame the farmers themselves, but are you really going to point the finger at someone investing in their career that feeds their family? The banker has always been there, always lending, since the beginning of economics when they literally stored money in your caves.

Technology has benefits AND drawbacks. If you attempt to always blame man, you ignore the fundamental shifts in thinking and living that have accompanied almost every technological advancement since the wheel. Postman did spend 30 years studying technology, I think his ideas show a deeper understanding than most of us have.

I have family in Iowa who've been farming for over 100 years. Many have branched off into other work because the family is so huge. Reunions there - we take over a golf course for the entire day: We call it the (Surname)-Open.

But plenty are still farming and they are anything but poor.

NuttBoxer says

Technology has benefits AND drawbacks.

No one would disagree with you. The point I would most try to make is...technology is going to get to a point where the technocrats will actually be able to enslave you. At that point, what will be your opinion of technology? My fear is that the bad results of technology will win out.

We've got to move away from SaaS, centralized servers, and a bunch of other things.

The internet ain't what it was, and really the issue is monopolies and centralization everywhere, not just the 'net. We have some major decentralizing tech here. Ironically, the collection of data allows big heavy actors to interfere at smaller and smaller levels of the economy than ever before. Also, like airlines, these FAGATs are heavily dependent on government subsidy and clients. Amazon wouldn't be able to do Prime if not subsidized by USPS.

Wish there was a site that had all this encapsulated in one place.

NuttBoxer says

So you want to ignore all the other examples, guessing because you don't have an explanation, and focus on this one. Fine. Do you believe people should not be compensated for the technology they create? A tractor is a complex machine, and you can't make it out of plastic. So this technology requires a substantial investment. That has nothing to do with anyone, it's simply a fact of the tractors existence. A tractor also gives the farm the ability to quickly produce more food using less manpower. I'll refer you to Steinbeck for that outcome. Also a fact of the tractor's existence. Banks are not technocrats, they are lenders to farmers who don't want to lose their farms, so they expand. If anything you could try and blame the farmers themselves, but are you really going to point the finger at someone investing in their career that feeds their family? The banker has always been there, always lending, since the beginning of economics when they literally stored money in your cave...

Bankers are technocrats - banking is technology, they use technology to exploit people, always have. Even the paper notes they'd issue is technology.

This whole discussion is stupid. Do you know what consciousness is? The ability to perceive and process and learn. Without consciousness you aren't even alive. What causes technology? Perceiving and processing and learning. You cannot even have life without having technology.

Unabomber was a nutjob. No wonder he fought against life itself in more ways than one. If he was sane at all he'd be waking people up to what technocrats are up to - like many in alt media try to do.

tanked says

Unabomber was a nutjob. No wonder he fought against life itself in more ways than one. If he was sane at all he'd be waking people up to what technocrats are up to - like many in alt media try to do.

Just what media tries to "wake people up"?

The establishment's ONLY job is to keep them asleep. There's no 4th estate, it's nothing more than the propaganda for the 4th Reich.

Shaman says

Why were the labs there?

Cheap labor.

Booger says

Shaman says

Why were the labs there?

Cheap labor.

Because a PHd biologist couldn't migrate like an MH13 thug, drug runner or human smuggler could..

They were there to avoid treaty. You know this as well as I do. This was biological weapons development.

Sounds like you just love your tech way too much. Like many here I work in SW, I'm literally surrounded by this shit 8 hours a day. And like many here, I have my home projects. But unlike you I'm not swooned by the siren song. I don't have a cellphone, regularly shut off my wifi to help us minimize the amount of radiation we're exposed to, and more and more agree with my aunt, that computers are evil.

Just because you can't imagine life without gurgle/fakebook/snapple/micropenis doesn't make your viewpoint reality. It just makes you a slave to your tech.

Happy Ted Kaczynski day.

Not for his deeds, but his clarity.



The man struggled with every piece of Postmodernism and broke it down, up to and including Transmaxxing (!!!), which he rejected.

AmericanKulak says

The man struggled with every piece of Postmodernism and broke it down, up to and including Transmaxxing (!!!), which he rejected.

Absolutely NOTHING in that quote in that pic is profound, it is in the category of "No shit, Sherlock!" That sick minded clown planted a book bomb that blew up in the hands of a friend of mine, costing him several fingers and ending his training to fly the Space Shuttle.

I agree he wasn't technically crazy, but maladapted, yes. He was beleaguered by the onus of too many brains fucked by too much reality, sort of an overwhelmed divvy autist who detested the scrambled illogic of affairs.

HeadSet says

Absolutely NOTHING in that quote in that pic is profound, it is in the category of "No shit, Sherlock!" That sick minded clown planted a book bomb that blew up in the hands of a friend of mine, costing him several fingers and ending his training to fly the Space Shuttle.

Not obvious to me. But I'm not letting emotion rule my thought because Kaczynski didn't blow anyone up that I know.
Bill Gates rapes little kids, but he was still right when he said we don't know if the spike protein shots would work or not. Despite how much I detest him, I don't let that cloud my judgement. Not saying you have to forgive, but if you hold onto shit in the way you are, it doesn't help you or your friend.

HeadSet says

Absolutely NOTHING in that quote in that pic is profound, it is in the category of "No shit, Sherlock!" That sick minded clown planted a book bomb that blew up in the hands of a friend of mine, costing him several fingers and ending his training to fly the Space Shuttle.

He was completely insane for thinking he could do anything productive, including mere attention to his causes, by sending out bombs to random scientists, researchers, and tech personnel.

His analysis of post modernity is very good. That's just a snippet.

"Happy Ted Kazcinsky Day" was edgy shit getting the best of me and forgetting about his victims, most of whom were utterly unrelated in anything meriting being maimed for except scientific/engineering work, for which I freely apologize.

richwicks says

The problem as I see it is we have a very complacent population that MIGHT see the danger of our oligarchs, but hasn't been fucked by them yet, so I'm kind of looking forward to the fucking.

almost like boiling frogs ...when it gets too hot its too late to escape and they are going to cook in the water ....

richwicks says

Darrell Brooks

Yeah, that Darrell Brooks .....

"Police reported that the driver deliberately targeted the crowd, driving in a "zig-zag pattern" to hit as many people as possible"

NuttBoxer says

But I'm not letting emotion rule my thought because Kaczynski didn't blow anyone up that I know.

I have not read that terrorist's collective works, but nothing in that quote above merits any wonder. In fact, the Iron Man comic from the late 1960s is based on that old concept, with Tony Stark becoming "bored" with easy success, fame and women, and thus "exercising his power" by becoming a high-tech armored crusader. The concept of a bored king going on misadventures has been told in tales since Ancient Greece. No more profound than "To make money, one must buy low and sell high."

I haven't either, but I think what's being referred to here the reason why things like the Scamdemic happen. It's not enough just to have power and keep the peace. They want to become the God they rejected. To reshape the world in their image, and commit atrocities simply because they can.

Ceffer says

Here's the bullshit - he was 81.

He didn't commit suicide, he just died.

Don't know much about the Unabomber, but have looked a bit into OKC. McVeigh may or may not have had a hand in planting the bombs. He was still likely working for the military. Only thing we need to know about OKC, government killed kids, on purpose, to get their law passed. If you do any research at all, the evidence is overwhelming.

NuttBoxer says

to get their law passed

Yep, the good Bill Clinton (and then-Senator Birdbrain Biden) already had a bill proposed before the OKC bombing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995

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Which religion did Ted follow? Anyone know?

richwicks says

The establishment's ONLY job is to keep them asleep.

I second.

Sending bombs to random people is not crazy?

RWSGFY says

Sending bombs to random people is not crazy?

Didn't he send them to agencies that he considered responsible for society's problems? If that's the case, he probably considered any agent of those entities to be as guilty as the next.

Karloff says

RWSGFY says

Sending bombs to random people is not crazy?

Didn't he send them to agencies that he considered responsible for society's problems? If that's the case, he probably considered any agent of those entities to be as guilty as the next.

The very idea that individual randomized terror can achieve any lofty goals is the sign of crazy. Things don't work like that.

He didn't do anything worse than the government does. How many deaths do you think the government is guilty of by incitement? I have a feeling there's going to be even more at some point.

GNL says

He didn't do anything worse than the government does.

But nothing better either.

Eric Holder says

The very idea that individual randomized terror can achieve any lofty goals is the sign of crazy. Things don't work like that.

Crazy is when there's no rhyme or reason to an action. Like when people shoot up a school yet had no beef with the kids, teachers, or school system.

He was a murderous asshole who killed and maimed people that I didn't think deserved it, but I'm not sure that he was actually crazy just because of this. He thought they did deserve it. We're routinely told that small, seemingly inconsequential actions can help achieve lofty goals like changing the world.

Haven't read through this entire thread - but did anyone mention Ted's gender problem?

Dude had alot of mental illness.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2023/06/12/media-hide-ted-kaczynskis-transgender-claim/

NuttBoxer says

Don't know much about the Unabomber, but have looked a bit into OKC. McVeigh may or may not have had a hand in planting the bombs. He was still likely working for the military. Only thing we need to know about OKC, government killed kids, on purpose, to get their law passed. If you do any research at all, the evidence is overwhelming.

There is actually a fair amount of evidence that McVeigh had help from an Iraqi as payback for Gulf War I. Remember the dark skinned "John Doe #2" that several people claimed to have seen with the bomb truck?

The claim is that Bill Clinton and the Media covered up the Middle East connection so they could focus on white male "militias" and whip up the Democrat base against Republicans and Rush Limbaugh.

https://www.amazon.com/Third-Terrorist-Connection-Oklahoma-Bombing/dp/1595552367

Random violence doesn't work? I beg to differ. BLM and Antifa would disagree as well.

Eric Holder says

The very idea that individual randomized terror can achieve any lofty goals is the sign of crazy. Things don't work like that.

I fully agree.

I went through a thought experiment: If I could kill any 1000 people in the world I wanted, with absolutely no chance of being caught (like I could just wish them dead) - could I make a positive difference in society?

My answer is no. Take out Jamie Dimon, Bill Gates, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi - no change.

Maybe if I took out all the people under the Rothschild name, and all the people under Rockefeller name, I might make a small dent for a second.

There's no point in killing people in an attempt to improve society. The only way to improve society is education in my opinion.

GNL says

He didn't do anything worse than the government does. How many deaths do you think the government is guilty of by incitement? I have a feeling there's going to be even more at some point.

Yeah, but he went up against the government.

You can't do that!

Karloff says

Eric Holder says

The very idea that individual randomized terror can achieve any lofty goals is the sign of crazy. Things don't work like that.

Crazy is when there's no rhyme or reason to an action. Like when people shoot up a school yet had no beef with the kids, teachers, or school system.

He was a murderous asshole who killed and maimed people that I didn't think deserved it, but I'm not sure that he was actually crazy just because of this. He thought they did deserve it. We're routinely told that small, seemingly inconsequential actions can help achieve lofty goals like changing the world.

I'm KIND of a fan of Uncle Ted.

He wasn't crazy, he was just wrong, and brilliant.

I know what it's like to know too much. It sucks. Ignorance really is bliss but "I wanted to know", so I know.

I'm sure there are plenty of people think that I'm paranoid here, crazy myself. The WTC bombing in 1996 was helped by the FBI. The US government wanted to make certain the World Trade Centers were hit by planes in 2001 - they made certain it happened. Our government deals drugs, CIA is a vital part of that. Politicians openly sell access to their office, the DOJ and intelligence agencies won't stop them. Biden was CLEARLY selling access, and still is, Hunter is now selling "art" for 1/2 million dollars, that's just a bribe.

I look at this and think "oh my god, these people are evil freaks!" - but maybe I'M the freak. Maybe I'm the antiquated quaint individual that has morality, despite my lack of religion. I've delved into evil a little bit when I was younger, I just don't like it. When I look for it, I see evil everywhere. The banality of evil, people do it without thinking. We all had to wear face masks, and take "vaccines". The vaccines didn't work, and they were likely dangerous - who stood up and said "no"? I think I must be in the very tiny minority.

I can't be the only one that knows, I can't be "super smart". There's got to be 100's of thousands of people who knew these vaccines might be dangerous and worthless for preventing disease. Only a handful spoke up.

And this brings me back to evil again - if this is what people are, if they are so shitty, why NOT abuse them? If I could just abuse the RIGHT people - there's lots of good people too. I don't want to hurt them.

socal2 says

Haven't read through this entire thread - but did anyone mention Ted's gender problem?

I'd take it with a grain of salt. It's a common tactic of our propaganda to vilify people as much as possible.

GNL says

Random violence doesn't work? I beg to differ. BLM and Antifa would disagree as well.

BLM and Antifa aren't random violence. They are government sponsored violence.

Notice they have disappeared into the background - what has changed? Well the president did, what POLICIES have changed? None.

What were they protesting against? They have no idea. They were just a group to create the ILLUSION that there was widespread discontent against Trump. Some people were suckered into believing it as well. I knew a person that was just FURIOUS about what "racist Trump was" - but she could give no actual examples. TV told her how and what to think.

She wasn't a bad person, but also, was she a person?

socal2 says

There is actually a fair amount of evidence that McVeigh had help from an Iraqi as payback for Gulf War I. Remember the dark skinned "John Doe #2" that several people claimed to have seen with the bomb truck?

Didn't see anything to corroborate this, but there was definitely involvement from a German or Eastern European guy, employed by a some European spy agency. The ATF was definitely involved though, not just in the fact that they didn't come to work, but allowing access to plant explosives inside the building. CIA as well.