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The Overton window was getting too big, for the first time in 50 years there isn't a brand new technology (fax, microcomputer, internet, cell phone, smart phone) to profit massively from, the only place to squeeze big time wealth is from...


... the middle class.

They will own nothing, and be happy.

tanked says

It didn't hit me in any particularly meaningful way, only reinforcing that the problem is technocrats not technology.

So which technocrats do you blame for the printing press moving relationships away from the interpersonal skills needed for story-telling, towards more cold, calculated analysis? What about the tractor. It's the main reason local economies stopped being self-reliant, because the farmer had to borrow to pay for it, taking money that normally was invested back into the local economy, and sending it to big banks. Which technocrat is to be blamed there?

NuttBoxer says

tanked says

It didn't hit me in any particularly meaningful way, only reinforcing that the problem is technocrats not technology.

So which technocrats do you blame for the printing press moving relationships away from the interpersonal skills needed for story-telling, towards more cold, calculated analysis? What about the tractor. It's the main reason local economies stopped being self-reliant, because the farmer had to borrow to pay for it, taking money that normally was invested back into the local economy, and sending it to big banks. Which technocrat is to be blamed there?

Written records didn't enslave humanity. That is the definition of the start of history and the end of prehistory. Should we have stayed at 3200 BC level tech? Even speaking and language is technology. If you really want to go back to the true beginning of tech it's the ape man living in the cave. Or even further if you don't want any tech at all, before he figured out that the cave shelters him from the rain.

Pointing out the pros and cons of what occurred since the invention of the written record is not equivalent to saying that it automatically enslaved everyone. Verbal story telling was still allowed, and still is. Just have to have the individual ambition to do so.

Being enslaved, or not, is about the choice of the individual. So if you want to ban farmers from being able to buy tractors, or prevent it's invention, then the technocrat is you.

Also it's the big banksters as you pointed out, no secret they are technocrats (not to this site). A sound money economy wouldn't stop tech it would flourish more so.

WineHorror1 says

Computer power? @richwicks, you're one of the smartest people on this forum.

Don't be so insulting to other people on this forum :)

WineHorror1 says

Computer power is not even close to all the most destructive tech out there. Although, I guess it is driven by it. You may have a point. BUT, look where they are going now, medicine, regulations and currency.

The problem as I see it is we have a very complacent population that MIGHT see the danger of our oligarchs, but hasn't been fucked by them yet, so I'm kind of looking forward to the fucking.

People won't act unless they have to, unless they are forced to.

We just got screwed by a fake pandemic, it was cover to PURCHASE the loyalty of several companies - that's what the "covid relief" actually did, and our medical establishment fucked us as well. I'm talking to a guy (quite sparingly) who is a fairly famous biologist, who 2 years ago said that he couldn't conceive that researchers would bury cures, I reminded him of what he said and he's had to rethink it I believe.

Trust in the authorities is going away, and they never deserved it in the first place.

WineHorror1 says

Take for instance what think tanks do and who funds them. No doubt Covid and all that transpired was dreamed up in a think tank. I would go so far as to say the WEF is a type of think tank. As is Davos and the Bilderberg group.

Today, we have better information than ever. I have some confidence in what will come from that. People are archiving information in the expectation that the Internet might go dark.

Google, Facebook, and Twitter are designed for CONTROL - they impose censorship, they skew public opinion, and try to drive it. That's falling apart and that's hopeful. There's idiots whining about "these guys are censoring, something has to be done" - yeah, people have to leave these platforms. The government is DRIVING this shit, they aren't going to help.

Here's my viewpoint now. We have an illegitimate government, filled with criminals, and a judicial system that allows it. Propaganda isn't going to go away, censorship isn't going to go away, but all this is voluntary. These cages people can walk out of at any time.

We have to build a parallel internet, and I can see it's being built right now. People think they can't run a server - sure they can. They're $100.

I think we're looking at tough times ahead, but the reality is we don't need the criminal syndicate that has seized control our governments, they need us. I think people are finding their power, finally.

richwicks says

I think we're looking at tough times ahead, but the reality is we don't need the criminal syndicate that has seized control our governments, they need us. I think people are finding their power, finally.

I have seen many groups spring up in response to the mandates in particular. They are very active online and in person.

The bright side of the dangerous and utterly ineffective vaxx is that it convinced millions of people to become political right now. They realized that the corruption personified by Fauci is a lethal threat to us all.

Patrick says

richwicks says

I think we're looking at tough times ahead, but the reality is we don't need the criminal syndicate that has seized control our governments, they need us. I think people are finding their power, finally.

I have seen many groups spring up in response to the mandates in particular. They are very active online and in person.

The bright side of the dangerous and utterly ineffective vaxx is that it convinced millions of people to become political right now. They realized that the corruption personified by Fauci is a lethal threat to us all.

There's been a lot of positives in the last few years in my opinion.

There's 500 political prisoners in jail right now that were protesting what is increasingly being shown to be an illegitimate president. His incompetence is just a cherry on top. The constant lying of Big Tech is great too - they keep claiming TOS violations to do censorship, and it's obvious. The propaganda media system has lost control.

The most difficult thing is getting people to acknowledge a problem, well, a LOT of people can see it now where previously they would just deny it.

I should just come up with a list of all the bullshit of our media in the last decade.

I thought about making a board game called "conspiracy" or something like that, which would be similar to Trivial Pursuit, but the trivia would all be buried facts - like Victoria Nuland's conversation, or who Kyle Rittenhouse actually shot, who Darrell Brooks is, which intelligence officials lied about Hunter Biden's laptop being Russian disinformation, etc. Each card would have to have a QR code that links on the net that proves it's true.

Anybody want to work on it?

Anybody know what company did the security for the WTC complex? Remember the Nayirah testimony? What black programs came out of the Church Committee? Who was Paul Manafort's business partner? What was he convicted of? It would be fun AND educational!

@richwicks your board game sounds cool. Have you considered doing a kickstarter for it?

tanked says

Written records didn't enslave humanity. That is the definition of the start of history and the end of prehistory. Should we have stayed at 3200 BC level tech? Even speaking and language is technology. If you really want to go back to the true beginning of tech it's the ape man living in the cave. Or even further if you don't want any tech at all, before he figured out that the cave shelters him from the rain.

Pointing out the pros and cons of what occurred since the invention of the written record is not equivalent to saying that it automatically enslaved everyone. Verbal story telling was still allowed, and still is. Just have to have the individual ambition to do so.

Being enslaved, or not, is about the choice of the individual. So if you want to ban farmers from being able to buy tractors, or prevent it's invention, then the technocrat is you.

Also it's the big banksters as you pointed out, no secret they are technocrats (not to this site). A sound money econ...

All these words, but you didn't tell me which technocrats are to blame, or are we all the technocrats since most of us suck at story-telling and are much better at reading? That's basically what you imply, that if technology hasn't improved our lives, it our own fault. What about the guillotine? Seems to illustrate Postman's point pretty well. But you would say a technocrat is to blame?

I completely disagree with your position that technology is only good, and those who disagree want to live in caves. That's the same kind of argument rabid supporters of Ukraine use, or experimental humans who pushed the shot, or BLM, etc. Technology and it's impact is far more complex than you give it credit for.

Shaman says

@richwicks your board game sounds cool. Have you considered doing a kickstarter for it?

I'm fucking lazy as shit so I need to be done with it, before I actually propose it.

I'll do it though. What I'd need help with it confirming every claim. It would be hilarious to make.

As an experienced conspiracy theorist, it's all about finding bits and pieces of facts, and then putting it together to make a picture. Such a game would allow people to do it far more quickly. You only come across a new and interesting fact occasionally - the trick is remembering what you came across.

Like I read about the Leviathan discovery in Israel for oil. Then I found out Genie Energy made a deal to mine the oil resources in the Golan. I later found out who as on the Strategic Advisory Board:

https://governamerica.com/documents/genie-energy/?source=patrick.net

Then Syria suddenly got in the news and Obama out of the blue said "Assad better not use chemical weapons!!!" out of seemingly nowhere. Then chemical weapons got used in Ghouta. Then the war broke out, then Bana al-Abed became a star of the war. The Douma Chemical attacks had whistle blowers from the OPCW explaining there was no chemical weapons attack in Douma.

So you have all these facts, but can you be certain they are all absolutely connected?

A game that just gave you a barrage of different facts would allow people to experience what being a conspiracy theorist is like, without having to constantly picking up bits and pieces of information - and instead have them handed to them.

Like one question would be "name 4 members of Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Energy". Another "Where is the Leviathan energy deposit". Another "When was the Leviathan energy deposit discovered" and so on. Just lay out all the facts, and let people lose sleep over it later on :D

NuttBoxer says

tanked says

Written records didn't enslave humanity. That is the definition of the start of history and the end of prehistory. Should we have stayed at 3200 BC level tech? Even speaking and language is technology. If you really want to go back to the true beginning of tech it's the ape man living in the cave. Or even further if you don't want any tech at all, before he figured out that the cave shelters him from the rain.

Pointing out the pros and cons of what occurred since the invention of the written record is not equivalent to saying that it automatically enslaved everyone. Verbal story telling was still allowed, and still is. Just have to have the individual ambition to do so.

Being enslaved, or not, is about the choice of the individual. So if you want to ban farmers from being able to buy tractors, or prevent it's invention, then the technocrat is you.

Also it's the big banksters as yo...

But you said it yourself, what technocrat is to blame for big bank usury, when they are run by technocrats. Are you confused?

So you want to ignore all the other examples, guessing because you don't have an explanation, and focus on this one. Fine. Do you believe people should not be compensated for the technology they create? A tractor is a complex machine, and you can't make it out of plastic. So this technology requires a substantial investment. That has nothing to do with anyone, it's simply a fact of the tractors existence. A tractor also gives the farm the ability to quickly produce more food using less manpower. I'll refer you to Steinbeck for that outcome. Also a fact of the tractor's existence. Banks are not technocrats, they are lenders to farmers who don't want to lose their farms, so they expand. If anything you could try and blame the farmers themselves, but are you really going to point the finger at someone investing in their career that feeds their family? The banker has always been there, always lending, since the beginning of economics when they literally stored money in your caves.

Technology has benefits AND drawbacks. If you attempt to always blame man, you ignore the fundamental shifts in thinking and living that have accompanied almost every technological advancement since the wheel. Postman did spend 30 years studying technology, I think his ideas show a deeper understanding than most of us have.

I have family in Iowa who've been farming for over 100 years. Many have branched off into other work because the family is so huge. Reunions there - we take over a golf course for the entire day: We call it the (Surname)-Open.

But plenty are still farming and they are anything but poor.

NuttBoxer says

Technology has benefits AND drawbacks.

No one would disagree with you. The point I would most try to make is...technology is going to get to a point where the technocrats will actually be able to enslave you. At that point, what will be your opinion of technology? My fear is that the bad results of technology will win out.

We've got to move away from SaaS, centralized servers, and a bunch of other things.

The internet ain't what it was, and really the issue is monopolies and centralization everywhere, not just the 'net. We have some major decentralizing tech here. Ironically, the collection of data allows big heavy actors to interfere at smaller and smaller levels of the economy than ever before. Also, like airlines, these FAGATs are heavily dependent on government subsidy and clients. Amazon wouldn't be able to do Prime if not subsidized by USPS.

Wish there was a site that had all this encapsulated in one place.

NuttBoxer says

So you want to ignore all the other examples, guessing because you don't have an explanation, and focus on this one. Fine. Do you believe people should not be compensated for the technology they create? A tractor is a complex machine, and you can't make it out of plastic. So this technology requires a substantial investment. That has nothing to do with anyone, it's simply a fact of the tractors existence. A tractor also gives the farm the ability to quickly produce more food using less manpower. I'll refer you to Steinbeck for that outcome. Also a fact of the tractor's existence. Banks are not technocrats, they are lenders to farmers who don't want to lose their farms, so they expand. If anything you could try and blame the farmers themselves, but are you really going to point the finger at someone investing in their career that feeds their family? The banker has always been there, always lending, since the beginning of economics when they literally stored money in your cave...

Bankers are technocrats - banking is technology, they use technology to exploit people, always have. Even the paper notes they'd issue is technology.

This whole discussion is stupid. Do you know what consciousness is? The ability to perceive and process and learn. Without consciousness you aren't even alive. What causes technology? Perceiving and processing and learning. You cannot even have life without having technology.

Unabomber was a nutjob. No wonder he fought against life itself in more ways than one. If he was sane at all he'd be waking people up to what technocrats are up to - like many in alt media try to do.

tanked says

Unabomber was a nutjob. No wonder he fought against life itself in more ways than one. If he was sane at all he'd be waking people up to what technocrats are up to - like many in alt media try to do.

Just what media tries to "wake people up"?

The establishment's ONLY job is to keep them asleep. There's no 4th estate, it's nothing more than the propaganda for the 4th Reich.

Shaman says

Why were the labs there?

Cheap labor.

Booger says

Shaman says

Why were the labs there?

Cheap labor.

Because a PHd biologist couldn't migrate like an MH13 thug, drug runner or human smuggler could..

They were there to avoid treaty. You know this as well as I do. This was biological weapons development.

Sounds like you just love your tech way too much. Like many here I work in SW, I'm literally surrounded by this shit 8 hours a day. And like many here, I have my home projects. But unlike you I'm not swooned by the siren song. I don't have a cellphone, regularly shut off my wifi to help us minimize the amount of radiation we're exposed to, and more and more agree with my aunt, that computers are evil.

Just because you can't imagine life without gurgle/fakebook/snapple/micropenis doesn't make your viewpoint reality. It just makes you a slave to your tech.

Happy Ted Kaczynski day.

Not for his deeds, but his clarity.



The man struggled with every piece of Postmodernism and broke it down, up to and including Transmaxxing (!!!), which he rejected.

AmericanKulak says

The man struggled with every piece of Postmodernism and broke it down, up to and including Transmaxxing (!!!), which he rejected.

Absolutely NOTHING in that quote in that pic is profound, it is in the category of "No shit, Sherlock!" That sick minded clown planted a book bomb that blew up in the hands of a friend of mine, costing him several fingers and ending his training to fly the Space Shuttle.

I agree he wasn't technically crazy, but maladapted, yes. He was beleaguered by the onus of too many brains fucked by too much reality, sort of an overwhelmed divvy autist who detested the scrambled illogic of affairs.

HeadSet says

Absolutely NOTHING in that quote in that pic is profound, it is in the category of "No shit, Sherlock!" That sick minded clown planted a book bomb that blew up in the hands of a friend of mine, costing him several fingers and ending his training to fly the Space Shuttle.

Not obvious to me. But I'm not letting emotion rule my thought because Kaczynski didn't blow anyone up that I know.
Bill Gates rapes little kids, but he was still right when he said we don't know if the spike protein shots would work or not. Despite how much I detest him, I don't let that cloud my judgement. Not saying you have to forgive, but if you hold onto shit in the way you are, it doesn't help you or your friend.

HeadSet says

Absolutely NOTHING in that quote in that pic is profound, it is in the category of "No shit, Sherlock!" That sick minded clown planted a book bomb that blew up in the hands of a friend of mine, costing him several fingers and ending his training to fly the Space Shuttle.

He was completely insane for thinking he could do anything productive, including mere attention to his causes, by sending out bombs to random scientists, researchers, and tech personnel.

His analysis of post modernity is very good. That's just a snippet.

"Happy Ted Kazcinsky Day" was edgy shit getting the best of me and forgetting about his victims, most of whom were utterly unrelated in anything meriting being maimed for except scientific/engineering work, for which I freely apologize.

richwicks says

The problem as I see it is we have a very complacent population that MIGHT see the danger of our oligarchs, but hasn't been fucked by them yet, so I'm kind of looking forward to the fucking.

almost like boiling frogs ...when it gets too hot its too late to escape and they are going to cook in the water ....

richwicks says

Darrell Brooks

Yeah, that Darrell Brooks .....

"Police reported that the driver deliberately targeted the crowd, driving in a "zig-zag pattern" to hit as many people as possible"

NuttBoxer says

But I'm not letting emotion rule my thought because Kaczynski didn't blow anyone up that I know.

I have not read that terrorist's collective works, but nothing in that quote above merits any wonder. In fact, the Iron Man comic from the late 1960s is based on that old concept, with Tony Stark becoming "bored" with easy success, fame and women, and thus "exercising his power" by becoming a high-tech armored crusader. The concept of a bored king going on misadventures has been told in tales since Ancient Greece. No more profound than "To make money, one must buy low and sell high."

I haven't either, but I think what's being referred to here the reason why things like the Scamdemic happen. It's not enough just to have power and keep the peace. They want to become the God they rejected. To reshape the world in their image, and commit atrocities simply because they can.

Ceffer says

Here's the bullshit - he was 81.

He didn't commit suicide, he just died.

Don't know much about the Unabomber, but have looked a bit into OKC. McVeigh may or may not have had a hand in planting the bombs. He was still likely working for the military. Only thing we need to know about OKC, government killed kids, on purpose, to get their law passed. If you do any research at all, the evidence is overwhelming.

NuttBoxer says

to get their law passed

Yep, the good Bill Clinton (and then-Senator Birdbrain Biden) already had a bill proposed before the OKC bombing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995

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Which religion did Ted follow? Anyone know?

richwicks says

The establishment's ONLY job is to keep them asleep.

I second.

Sending bombs to random people is not crazy?

RWSGFY says

Sending bombs to random people is not crazy?

Didn't he send them to agencies that he considered responsible for society's problems? If that's the case, he probably considered any agent of those entities to be as guilty as the next.

Karloff says

RWSGFY says

Sending bombs to random people is not crazy?

Didn't he send them to agencies that he considered responsible for society's problems? If that's the case, he probably considered any agent of those entities to be as guilty as the next.

The very idea that individual randomized terror can achieve any lofty goals is the sign of crazy. Things don't work like that.

He didn't do anything worse than the government does. How many deaths do you think the government is guilty of by incitement? I have a feeling there's going to be even more at some point.

GNL says

He didn't do anything worse than the government does.

But nothing better either.

Eric Holder says

The very idea that individual randomized terror can achieve any lofty goals is the sign of crazy. Things don't work like that.

Crazy is when there's no rhyme or reason to an action. Like when people shoot up a school yet had no beef with the kids, teachers, or school system.

He was a murderous asshole who killed and maimed people that I didn't think deserved it, but I'm not sure that he was actually crazy just because of this. He thought they did deserve it. We're routinely told that small, seemingly inconsequential actions can help achieve lofty goals like changing the world.