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WookieMan says

I chose not to vote for POTUS in '16, so now I come to find out there's people like this that could have marked in my fucking vote even though I wanted to abstain?

Always write-in Mickey Mouse for the races you are abstaining from.

FuckCCP89 says

WookieMan says

I chose not to vote for POTUS in '16, so now I come to find out there's people like this that could have marked in my fucking vote even though I wanted to abstain?

Always write-in Mickey Mouse for the races you are abstaining from.

Actually a good idea. lol.

If you're voting age and cannot fill out a ballot correctly, it is was it is. A 3rd party cannot "think" that's what you meant. Maybe I've been naive and obviously didn't realize this was a practice, but it's fucked up.

If the Democrats were murderers, they would carry a dead body through a hotel lobby rolled up in a rug, during their business hour.

Correct, but not because they are stupid. They know (A) They will not be prosecuted, and (B) It sends a visible message to anyone else who would cross them. Think Seth Rich.

Like Wookie said there should be no pens in that room, only a few piles, valid votes by candidate and invalid votes. No pen needed.

mell says

Like Wookie said there should be no pens in that room, only a few piles, valid votes by candidate and invalid votes. No pen needed.

I don't even like the idea of another human physically touching my ballot. Not sure everyone else's system, but I throw mine in the scanner and it's gone. I didn't realize people could fucking touch the damn thing. It should have read the data, while not being connected to the internet, and one data dump done at the end of the night. If someone didn't fill it out right, fuck them. I could hand my 7 year old son a ballot and tell him to pick one person and he'd fill it out correctly.

I'm not upset if Trump loses. These last few days have been eye opening though. The bigger part of it scares me. Why? Why Biden? 1+1 isn't adding up to 2. It's not even division at this point. It's almost like they want us all to become conspiracy theorist and question everything. Nothing is true, but nothing is wrong. It's a weird feeling with an obvious Orwellian vibe.

WookieMan says

mell says

Like Wookie said there should be no pens in that room, only a few piles, valid votes by candidate and invalid votes. No pen needed.

I don't even like the idea of another human physically touching my ballot. Not sure everyone else's system, but I throw mine in the scanner and it's gone. I didn't realize people could fucking touch the damn thing. It should have read the data, while not being connected to the internet, and one data dump done at the end of the night. If someone didn't fill it out right, fuck them. I could hand my 7 year old son a ballot and tell him to pick one person and he'd fill it out correctly.

I'm not upset if Trump loses. These last few days have been eye opening though. The bigger part of it scares me. Why? Why Biden? 1+1 isn't adding up to 2. It's not even division at this point. It's almost like they want us all to become conspiracy theorist and ...

exactly. Eye opening for me as well. I had no idea its so easy to cheat. The current counting system screams for cheating. This all needs to be re-done with observers present and validation of every single vote.

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Tenpoundbass says

There's going to be hundreds of thousands if not millions of votes erased from Joe Biden in many States. It is going to get so bad, the whole election will be scraped.

I am afraid I can't agree. They will destroy the evidence before any outside auditing authority gets near it. They've done it before.

Were there any repercussions at all for what happened in 2016 Orange County?

G36 says

exactly. Eye opening for me as well. I had no idea its so easy to cheat. The current counting system screams for cheating. This all needs to be re-done with observers present and validation of every single vote.

If they pull it off, there will never be any true reform.

They'll pull the usual "serious fixes" that are just little band aids deliberately made token and ineffective.

The only vote that will matter is the Dem Primary Process, and as a private enterprise, will be maximally rigged just like it was this time.

G36 says

This all needs to be re-done with observers present and validation of every single vote.

It's too late though. That ballot has now been manipulated and you'd have no clue in a stack of thousands to maybe hundreds of thousands. You'd have to verify it with the original voter, which has issues of its own, but you cannot undue what you see in the video with our current system. That's the problem. It's manipulated, no one can argue against that. Pen hit paper on a ballot.

I frankly didn't know there were individuals, touching individual ballots like that. I figured the machine ate it and they'd send the results digitally and then throw the stack in the machine again to verify at a central location. Taking ballots one by one is pure bullshit. Maybe I didn't pay enough attention in 2000 as I wasn't old enough to vote. This is wild.

WookieMan says

You'd have to verify it with the original voter, which has issues of its own, but you cannot undue what you see in the video with our current system. That's the problem. It's manipulated, no one can argue against that. Pen hit paper on a ballot.

Basically, these old and oft-derided voting machines which were physically punching holes through the ballots turned out to be more secure than this "mark with a pen -> feed to the scanner" model which was promoted as a fix to "hanging chads".

It's too late to find the vote. It's not too late to arrest her ass.

Note to file – this looks like some curative step where the machine cannot read ballots so the best practice is to hand copy and re-feed the new ballots into the machine with watchers in the room. From the wider shot it looks like there are red bins for republican, blue bins for democrat, and green bins for cured. It thus makes sense that a blue to green table will show nothing but Biden votes, and that red to green will show nothing but trump votes. There also appear to be plenty of potential watchers (both partisan and non partisan) in the room which is likely within the rules.

Vanessa, please find the source and vet but at first glance, I am not seeing much here to worry about.

Cdon2 says

From the wider shot it looks like there are red bins for republican, blue bins for democrat, and green bins for cured.

So from your own statement, it appears all of the red bins are on the floor, and on tables out of the way nobody is working on, and only Blue bins are on the table being "Cured" and tossed in the Green Bin.

Spin that Flyboy!

Also based on your explanation, it now appears the guy on the bottom right is taking votes out of the "RED" bin and curing them and placing them in the "Blue" bin to be cleaned up by the folks taking them from the "Blue" bins and curing them in the "Green" bins.

And here we go. It is curative, straight from the County:

https://www.delcopa.gov/publicrelations/releases/2020/ballotvideoresponse.html

"Some ballots were damaged by the extractor during this process in such a way that the ballots could not be scanned successfully. According to the scanner manufacturer, Hart, the best practice to deal with damaged ballots that cannot be scanned is to transcribe the votes on each ballot to a clean ballot and scan the clean ballot. In accordance with that guidance, the Chief Clerk of the Delaware County Bureau of Elections instructed elections staff to manually transcribe the damaged ballots. As ballots were being transcribed, the original damaged ballots were directly beside the new ballots and bipartisan observers witnessed the process at close range. Damaged ballots have been preserved."

Team, please confirm with the county that nothing has changed since then, but if we went in with this video and the county defends with affidavits confirming their press report, the judge is going to look at us and say "what do you want me to do now" we would mount a valiant but feeble response, and get sent packing with not only a "L" for the client but a bill for the county legal fees and a malpractice claim for us. Obviously this cannot happen so lets do our homework!

Cdon2 says

but if we went in with this video and the county defends with affidavits confirming their press report, the judge is going to look at us and say "what do you want me to do now"

I'm afraid that would be the case with any evidence presented.
Also I have maintained since the beginning, that if this is a Criminal endeavor, then I don't want a Court that rules on the legality of the process ruling on this election. Because I do agree with you. Asking the judge to play Lt Frank Colombo, isn't going to happen. They are going to follow the letter of the law in the confined scope of determining if the election was lawful. And it appears SCOTUS doesn't split hairs over dirty fights, and dirty dishonest tricks to sway the election one way or the other.

But if Crimes were committed, and sedition and treason can be determined. This shouldn't be a State, or SCOTUS fight, it should be a Law Enforcement fight.

The only thing I would want SCOTUS to rule on at that point, would be how do we move on past here, with this unprecedented election where the candidates and the DNC election machine incarcerated after the election.


We're turning into one of those countries where the new elected leader gets elected and is sent to jail, but the judge says he still gets to rule from his prison cell.

The election should be nullified as there is zero confidence in it. Trump would remain president until there is a safe and auditable way to run an election. This should be the judgement. If the states refuse to cooperate/comply, then the Republican legislatures should send electors and Trump wins another term. Of course "should" doesn't mean it will happen or that it has a high chance, but it's funny that we're discussing technicalities here when it's crystal clear this was a fraudulent election.

Tenpoundbass says

I'm afraid that would be the case with any evidence presented.

Not necessarily. With my budget I am not going to rely on just the press release. I am going to contact the county clerk (a fellow officer of the court) and confirm this is press release is accurate. With an unlimited budget I would not rely on the press release and the statement of the county clerk and instead track down the parties in that room and get a statement from them, do a follow up or two, and ask them to execute an affidavit under penalty of perjury if need be. Not sure but because this is at the curative phase there likely is a D attorney and R attorney somewhere in there (per agreed upon rules) who absolutely would note any irregularities (in real time), and who must show the provenance of what they did and when they did it.

For what its worth, Ive done that job as a poll challenger (not as a poll watcher but a poll challenger) before as a young associate. Myself and the other counsel would make a joint statement as to what we expect of the volunteers in the room. We likely will remind them that there are cameras in the room and if there are any irregularities they are going to be found so it serves in their best interest to report to us so we can document the issue. I did this in the pre-social media, ubitiquous coverage of everything is then processed by either the D or R media as proof of problems (or proof of accuracy depending what side you are on). At the end of the day you have to accept that there is a certain amount of good will (or fear of repercussions) which will give you the best outcome you can reasonably expect.

Cdon2 says

Ive done that job as a poll challenger

Democrat or Republican?

Cdon2 says

Not sure but because this is at the curative phase there likely is a D attorney and R attorney somewhere in there (per agreed upon rules) who absolutely would note any irregularities (in real time), and who must show the provenance of what they did and when they did it.

Listen let me tell about me and my town Broward county, so you don't toss "R" and "D" around like it instills confidence in me that everything is on the up and up.

Our Republican party in Broward only exists for two reasons. To raise money for the party, and ensure the Democrats hold power in Broward, and Debbie Wassermann Schultz's dynasty does not get interrupted.

DWS had a Jamaican American candidate, and had an opponent, that should have made Carla Spalding a household name. The Republicans didn't spend one single dime on her, to make a video much like Kimberly Klacik had in Baltimore. A video of DWS telling the Congress police "You better return my Paki spy server or there will be serious consequences." DWS kept her head down all through the election because the Broward RNC never gives her an opponent that puts up a fight much less makes any waves for DWS.
This has been happening for 2 decades now.

Mitt Romney is an "R" do you think he would point out any voting irregularities if he were the poll watcher lawyer?

I sure as hell don't!

How hard is for somebody to show up, put their own ballot in the machine, have the machine tell the voter if the ballot is valid or not, and explain why it's not valid? If it's valid, consume the ballot, tell the voter to go on their way with a sticker of "I voted" or something pushed out of the machine, and if it's NOT valid destroy the ballot by shredding it, and make the voter fill it out a new one?

This is trivial to do, yet, some some reason ???? nobody but me has thought of this. I guess I'm just the smarted person in the world!!!

Or maybe the system is setup to steal elections. Which it is.

richwicks says

Or maybe the system is setup to steal elections.

Bingo. The system is set to steal elections under the guise of enabling minority vote.