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Patrick says
Personally, I think that a fertilized egg is not a person
What is it then?
Same as a skin flake.
Don't understand why Republicans and pro-life people have such a hard time messaging against the Democrat's VERY EXTREME abortion stance like we have in California, New York, Illinois and now Ohio where abortion is basically legal up to crowning for any circumstance.
Why can't pro-life people just say "Overturning Roe has just made America's abortion policies more like Europe's with some reasonable restrictions and less like Communist China and Stalinist North Korea".
Don't understand why Republicans and pro-life people have such a hard time messaging against the Democrat's VERY EXTREME abortion stance like we have in California, New York, Illinois and now Ohio where abortion is basically legal up to crowning for any circumstance.
socal2 says
Don't understand why Republicans and pro-life people have such a hard time messaging against the Democrat's VERY EXTREME abortion stance like we have in California, New York, Illinois and now Ohio where abortion is basically legal up to crowning for any circumstance.
Dems just had a "sweep" in Virginia powered mainly by campaigning for abortion on demand all the way to birth. The Dems won because woman voters and their soy men think that the Republican idea of 15 weeks with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother was an unacceptable attack on women's rights.
Push for a simple reform such as making it legal for first trimester and that's it.
mell says
Push for a simple reform such as making it legal for first trimester and that's it.
Virginia Republicans had it at 15 weeks, and the pro-abortion crowd clobbered them.
Until your movement has a large number of supporters willing to actually sacrifice something, you will change nothing.
Pro life needs to air commercials with a family (multiple preferably) that were so close to having an abortion but decided to have the kid. I know of plenty. My own SIL had 3 abortions if I recall. She finally kept one. Has it been perfect. No. Is he basically my kid now. Yes. Our family, his friends, life wouldn't be the same without him. Pro life needs stories like that. Not pictures of dead babies outside an abortion clinic.
I don't have a religious bone in my body. But I know what is right. The focus should be on the positives of having a child. Not showing grotesque photos of aborted babies. The messaging needs to change. Women are emotional. You show them a positive outcome you could easily flip 20-30% of them from the abortion crowd. My SIL made her mess, but she still loves her son and regrets her abortions. Odd are there wouldn't have been one abortion if she just had the first one.
I don't have a religious bone in my body.
It's not about numbers on the pro life side. It's about leverage AND numbers. Abortion lovers turned it into a woman's rights issue. 50% plus of the population. Out of the gates the movement will win once you factor in the cucked men that have no problem killing a child. That's a monumental hurdle to overcome.
I agree - there needs to be orders of magnitude more positive pro-life messaging. For most women especially, once they get old enough, they'll regret having sacrificed family for career or chasing the alpha Chads.
The messaging needs to change. Women are emotional. You show them a positive outcome you could easily flip 20-30% of them from the abortion crowd.
Perhaps some other messaging is necessary. Ok - fine - let's really think deeper about abortion.
Woman has the "choice" and the man the responsibility. If she has an abortion he is off the hook.
If she has the child, it is his responsibility to support (and that really means supporting the mama).
Perhaps encouraging women to realize that they can have it all by simply having a child. From a pro-life position, play this out!
Run ads encouraging women to keep the child because that child will be supported. Support
legal foundations that jail deadbeat dads and really make it about a way of life: fooling some man
into unsafe sex. Etc... You can imagine the ads that could run.
Of course, most smart woman would abort the child of a dead beat, but if the father is reasonably
employed then why not have the baby? Or if government steps in and funds some basic level? Like we already do for welfare, etc...
It can work both ways as well- maybe men will realize they have ceded too much of their own reproductive rights
and that might cloud the issue to the point where there becomes a decision point: either men have
reproductive rights similar to women (right to not pay for the child if she chooses to have it and they are unmarried)
OR both men and women decide that pro-life places an equal burden on both parties. Women don't get the
choice, and the man must own up.
Pro-lifers might be upset if the decision is to allow men to "opt out" of unwanted pregnancies, but that also might
then discourage woman from getting pregnant to begin with... as well, pro-choice side might be upset because it really equalizes
the reproductive rights of both sexes.
Current pro life messaging, no matter how honorable the position, will be defeated. Words matter and
flinging words like "ban" instead of "some restrictions" provides no way for a moderate person to support.
Words matter and
flinging words like "ban" instead of "some restrictions" provides no way for a moderate person to support.
I was born and raised in a deep blue state and basically nothing will change most of their minds on the issue. There is absolutely no other issue that they're absolutely willing to kill for than abortion.
Why can't pro-life people just say "Overturning Roe has just made America's abortion policies more like Europe's with some reasonable restrictions and less like Communist China and Stalinist North Korea".
I just take a different tact, and encourage very left wing whacko women to abort all their pregnancies, because if they do, the world ends up in a better place, and it does.
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