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The first NATO nation to call for peace negotiations with Russia.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unfortunate-news-for-kyiv-they-ve-lost-an-ally/ar-AA1kvTGI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b7bc448e78944ca2bfbdccd53fcb772c&ei=9

Misc says

The first NATO nation to call for peace negotiations with Russia.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unfortunate-news-for-kyiv-they-ve-lost-an-ally/ar-AA1kvTGI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b7bc448e78944ca2bfbdccd53fcb772c&ei=9

I guess they didn't get this memo:

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

See https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1726622797118804153

The_Deplorable says

See https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1726622797118804153

Once again, kiddies....

> Russian victory is impossible
> Russian victory unlikely
> Russia cannot be allowed to win
> Russia is winning but at what cost?
> Damn Israel! (Zelensky is stuck here)
> Russian victory was inevitable (Narrative is now here; Ukey Nazi Fluffers fucked)
> Ukraine was a corrupt hellhole anyway (you were always here)

The_Deplorable says

https://www.barrons.com/news/end-attack-on-ukraine-scholz-to-putin-in-first-g20-call-since-war-aff8be2c

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Wednesday he urged Vladimir Putin to end Moscow's war on Ukraine and withdraw all troops from the country, in the first G20 video call the Russian president participated in since the conflict.

"I called on President Putin to end his attack on Ukraine and withdraw troops from Ukraine's territory, so that this war can finally end," Scholz told journalists at a press conference in Berlin alongside Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

The_Deplorable says

Hahaha!

WTF @socal2 !

How does that square with this?

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

HERE is what the fuck happened:

PumpingRedheads says

The_Deplorable says

See https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1726622797118804153

Once again, kiddies....

> Russian victory is impossible
> Russian victory unlikely
> Russia cannot be allowed to win
> Russia is winning but at what cost?
> Damn Israel! (Zelensky is stuck here)
> Russian victory was inevitable (Narrative is now here; Ukey Nazi Fluffers fucked)
> Ukraine was a corrupt hellhole anyway (you were always here)

The_Deplorable says

I figure it's either that or we are intentionally limiting weapons system to Ukraine due to supply constraints on the consumables (ammunition). It's not like Russia is doing any better in that department. They can't make stuff either and have to beg North Korea for stuff. At least north Koreans have food and oil now.

zzyzzx says

I figure it's either that or we are intentionally limiting weapons system to Ukraine due to supply constraints

Or:
Ukraine does not have the manpower to win, and that fact is harder to hide. If we ship a massive number of weapons, we will have a repeat of what happened in Afghanistan, were Biden left $billions in war material for the enemy to collect.

Your tax dollars at work ...

BREAKING! Ukraine's Zelensky CAUGHT buying $75 million luxury yacht with U.S. money? | Redacted News

Actually, Zelensky bought TWO luxury yachts, total cost to YOU? $75 Million.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLGPYqHOP_w

ad says

"I called on President Putin to end his attack on Ukraine and withdraw troops from Ukraine's territory, so that this war can finally end," Scholz told journalists..."

Nonsense. Scholz - like an obedient puppy - is ignoring the facts because...

• It was Obama who overthrew the democratically elected government of the Ukraine in 2014 and installed the current neoCon Nazi regime.

• And it was these Nazis who started killing Ukraine's Russian speakers for speaking Russian! <==== Please, read this again and again until it sinks in.

• Look, if you start shooting people you cannot blame them for shooting back. It is called self defense.

• Russia did not start this war but Russia is finishing this war by defeating the US and NATO in Ukraine and proving that this is indeed a multipolar world.

The_Deplorable says

Nonsense. Scholz - like an obedient puppy - is ignoring the facts because...

Puppet doesn't even care any more that he plays the complete buffoon with a cock up his ass. "Gee, Okay, Scholz or whatever you are, because you say so."

I wish we would understand that German-dominated EU is a rival, not a friend.

Germany looks after Germany, the only difference between a century ago and today is they've finally accepted they can expand deep instead of out.

The Germans HATE imports, they refuse to carry so much as Marmite, making a German version no matter how tiny the market there for it; you can't find British goods in Germany, only German knock offs of British things. Even British stores for expats are mostly German knockoffs.

No hate on Germany, just a willingness to imitate their success.

Why don't we have an Anglophone alliance-Free Trade Zone with equivalent countries: NZ, Aus, Can, US, UK?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/rising-narratives-wednesday-november

If you don’t recall him, Until recently a lifelong liberal, Sachs is a prominent and well-spoken economist, professor, Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University, President of the UN’s Sustainable Development Solutions Network, and has been a special advisor to three United Nations Secretaries-General. He has been called “one of the most influential economists of our time.”

It turns out that Professor Sachs is not too hot about the Proxy War.

The interview is astonishing, given The Hill’s left-leaning bona fides. The Hill is so dependably left of center that I regularly source it for the latest official narrative. (I initially watched this episode mostly because I was amused that the show’s title pitched The Hill as a plucky independent outlet battling the mainstream media.) This episode reflects a major narrative shift.

Just wait. The interview included spicy rhetorical crescendos like when the “liberal” anchor referred to Ukraine as “this proxy war,” or when Professor Sachs called the war an “absolutely stupid, avoidable conflict,” concluded “Biden played it wrong at every moment,” and advised people not to believe anything the government says.

Who does that sound like?

Professor Sachs sprinted out of the gate, starting his takedown of the existing narrative by connecting the current proxy war to the U.S.’s meddling in Ukraine back in the 2014 color revolution. But Sachs went further, claiming that Viktoria Nuland and Lindsay Graham bungled the whole thing at great cost to Ukraine:

SACHS: “The war’s been going on for nine years since the U.S. participated in the violent overthrow of a Ukrainian president that wanted neutrality for his country — not NATO… During this whole period, the U.S had a weak hand and it played it terribly… at every step Ukraine could have been saved but the U.S. kept upping the ante and Ukraine kept losing more.”

According to Professor Sachs — who is an actual expert on international politics — Ukraine’s losses starting with Crimea are directly attributable to U.S. bungling, and he even called out Joe Biden as the bungling co-author. If that’s not a sign that Biden’s political future is numbered, I don’t know what is. People like Professor Sachs don’t get where they are without having a solid sense of politics. ...

Professor Sachs not only agreed with the anchor’s cynical sentiments but went further, suggesting — unless I’m misunderstanding something — that Ukraine should just give up and the U.S. should apologize to Russia:

SACHS: “Robbie, I’m an old guy. I’ve been through this a lot of times (since) Vietnam. This is standard operating procedures of the United States. Over-promise. Over-Sell. Get into proxy wars. Then, they fail… (Look,) we’ve run out of time. We’ve run out of patience. We’ve run out of budget support. We’ve run out of 155 millimeter shells. And tragically, Ukraine’s running out of soldiers.
So that old line, that we’re in there to the last Ukrainian, is tragically, literally happening right now… Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of people in this absolutely stupid, avoidable conflict. So it’s gonna stop. It has to stop. NATO — that means the U.S. by the way, it doesn’t mean anything else — has to help to end this in the most favorable way by saying (to Russia), okay, okay, we’re not going to enlarge in in some lamebrain idea of George W. Bush Jr., and we (wrongly) kept it going, and we should’ve negotiated with you, the whole thing was a stupid idea. We’re going to have to say that.” ...

Welcome, Dr. Sachs! We have been advising people not to believe anything the government says for at least two years now. Every single thing Dr. Sachs said in this interview tracks with what we’ve all been saying since the Proxy War started. It’s not a good sign for Ukraine. ... The second part also tracked a major C&C topic area. In it, Dr. Sachs explained why he’s no longer a democrat. Can you guess why?

Patrick says

Every single thing Dr. Sachs said in this interview tracks with what we’ve all been saying since the Proxy War started. It’s not a good sign for Ukraine. ...

Old KommieKunt from the hotbed of Kommie Academia tries to save his socks after his pants have burned off? Shows his louche and disposable ethical standards. Another turncoat of convenience? Again, weird ramblings in the Globalista-plex. It's like a huge weight has listed things from port to starboard.

Are they selling tickets to the partition?

https://dcweekly.org/2023/11/29/unprecedented-us-operation-to-shelter-zelensky-raises-eyebrows/

Unprecedented US Operation to Shelter Zelensky Raises Eyebrows
The Unprecedented Expenditure of U.S. Resources and Citizenship Grants for President Zelensky's Extended U.S. Stay, Unraveling the Uncertain Future of Ukraine's Leadership Amidst Ongoing Conflict

A US Secret Service agent who wished to remain anonymous has revealed to DCWeekly details about the arrangements being made for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s relocation to the United States. The agent claims that the Biden administration has issued orders to ensure the safety and accommodation of President Zelensky’s family starting in the spring of 2024. This decision is based on the belief that Zelensky’s presidency in Ukraine may conclude next year, and remaining in Ukraine thereafter could pose security risks.

The agent, speaking anonymously, expressed deep concern about this order, as it goes beyond the typical protection provided to foreign dignitaries. He mentioned that many of his colleagues are equally troubled by the plan and have attempted to convey the impracticality of this arrangement to their superiors without success. The operation involves various divisions responsible for the security of foreign leaders, presidential security, and even the Citizenship and Naturalization services within the Department of Homeland Security. Essentially, Zelensky will be granted the privileges of a foreign politician while also enjoying the status of an American citizen. This marks an unprecedented development in US history, and the agent is apprehensive about setting a precedent that could lead leaders of US allied states to demand similar special treatment and pension plans. Fulfilling all the requested conditions will require a substantial allocation of budget funds and the involvement of a significant number of personnel.

Zelensky himself is expected to take up residence in Florida, alongside his wife and two children. A lavish estate located in Vero Beach along the Atlantic shore, estimated to be worth $20,000,000, will be provided for this purpose. In addition to accommodation, American taxpayers will cover Zelensky’s security, transportation, domestic staff, and a personal assistant.

The agent further reveals that the Office of Protective Operations has an annual budget of approximately $200,000,000. He estimates that the total expenses related to President Zelensky’s stay in the US will amount to at least $20,000,000, which represents a significant 10% of the office’s annual budget. While such expenditures could potentially be justified for the short-term visit of a foreign leader to the United States, the agent points out a concerning aspect: the government order did not specify an end date for Zelensky’s stay in the US. This lack of clarity arises from the operation’s involvement in the process of granting citizenship to Zelensky and his family, with their Certificates of Naturalization already issued.

Interestingly, the agent highlights that the citizenship application and interview date was set for September 20, a day when Zelensky made a speech at the NATO summit during his visit to the US. This suggests that the Biden administration had been planning President Zelensky’s relocation well in advance. It raises questions about the incongruity between this behind-the-scenes arrangement and the image of a resilient and fearless fighter that Zelensky portrays to the world, an image strongly supported by mainstream media.

In closing, the agent expresses uncertainty about whether this operation was proposed by President Biden or President Zelensky but emphasizes the impracticality of undertaking such a massive operation. He concludes by stating, “We don’t have enough resources or personnel to provide presidential protection to anyone who requests it.”

The preparation for this operation implies that the American government does not anticipate President Zelensky remaining in office beyond the spring of 2024. This adds to the uncertainty surrounding the development of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict. Headlines about a military stalemate and global weariness from the ongoing war, which has already cost the United States over $90 billion, have been increasingly prominent in world media. President Zelensky’s term is set to end next spring, with the next election scheduled for March 31. However, Zelensky has stated on multiple occasions that he may consider canceling the elections due to the ongoing hostilities.

The Economist is late to the party of the Red Pill.

But they at least got there.



I guess they didn't get this memo:

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

Patrick says

Unprecedented US Operation to Shelter Zelensky Raises Eyebrows
The Unprecedented Expenditure of U.S. Resources and Citizenship Grants for President Zelensky's Extended U.S. Stay, Unraveling the Uncertain Future of Ukraine's Leadership Amidst Ongoing Conflict

LOL! Maybe it's a swap. All of the traitors and neocons in the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC will flee and seek non extraditable amnesty in Ukraine (or the parts that remain of Ukraine after the Russians take what they want and the partition).

Z is a neocon orange revolution Soros fecal implant Euro Globalist disaster. I can't imagine any situation that would allow him to have any kind of ongoing power or influence. That means a pretend thing will go on for a while, and he will eventually be kaputsky.

United States is a banana republic, and banana republics are known for gladly accepting international criminals then bleeding them dry of their money through various extortions. Once the con artists and crooks are on empty, they are given some hovel to live out their days if nobody even cares to assassinate them any more. My hunch is the Intels wish to entice him close enough to shake him down for his kill switch J. Edgar Hoover type blackmail files on American politicians, military figures and Globalista criminal enterprises, and then do him in.

A strategic tunnel in the middle of Siberia linking Soviet and Chinese Commies had been liberated, denazified and demilitarized:

UKRAINE bombed Putin's longest railway tunnel 3,000 miles inside Russia cutting its main link to China, security sources claim.

Four blasts rocked the ten-mile tunnel in the Severomuyskiy mountains as a train passed through last night - "paralysing" a key weapons supply route.

A source claimed Ukraine's SBU intelligence service was behind the attack in Russia's far east.

A 41-wagon goods train - including three tankers filled with aviation fuel - was reportedly blown up yesterday.

It is unclear if the explosives had been hidden inside the ten-mile tunnel or placed on the freight train before it entered.

The target is the deepest behind enemy lines of any sabotage attack so far.

Russian media reported a fire in the Severomuyskiy tunnel, but did not elaborate on what had caused it.

They said specialist fire trains raced to the scene and no one had been hurt.

...the blasts had “paralysed” Russia’s Baikal-Amur Mainline which runs for 2,700 miles from central Russia to its Sea of Japan east coast.

Ukraine’s SBU did not respond for comments.

RWSGFY says

UKRAINE bombed Putin's longest railway tunnel 3,000 miles inside Russia cutting its main link to China, security sources claim.

What a load of absolute Ukey Nazi Fluffer propaganda BS! Is this the best you can do?

If so, the level of outright desperation is stunning.

https://www.definitions.net/definition/fluffer

Please tell me you are posting parody.

LOL!

Translation: It's over, kiddies.

Russian general just KIA by a Russian land mine! LOL!

zzyzzx says

Russian general just KIA by a Russian land mine! LOL!

As dumb as Americans are. Is there any evidence that Russians and Eastern Europeans have more intelligence? Hell all of the hemisphere. Really think about how much of a shit hole it is.

Exclude Australia and NZ and South Pacific/Indian Ocean "vacation" islands. In the last 125 years, there's almost a 100% chance you would have been involved in an armed conflict with another nation, tribe, guerrilla group, etc. Domestically we had a civil war and that's basically it. Why do we even involve ourselves in conflicts that will never end and haven't for centuries? Who cares is Russia or Ukraine "win?" They'll fight again 10-20 years down the road and the other side will win. It's stupid and we shouldn't be spending a fucking dime on it or wasting breath on debating it.

Putin orders the Russian military to add 170,000 troops for a total of 1.32 million
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/putin-orders-russian-military-add-170000-troops-total-105314951

Got to keep Russia's meat waves going with new cannon fodder.

socal2 says

Got to keep Russia's meat waves going with new cannon fodder.

Uh-huh

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

How many Russian casualties do you think there are at this point?

If Russian casualties are even 1/3 of what Ukraine and Western observers are saying, it is an appalling loss of life that we haven't seen since Korea.

Russia had more KIAs in a single week during heavy fighting in Bakhmut and Adivka than the US lost total in 20+ years in Afghanistan and Iraq combined!

Whatever you think Russia can "win" in this monumental cock-up can in no way make up for the massive loss of Russian life, material and treasure. Let alone all the needless carnage they have inflicted on Ukraine.

socal2 says

How many Russian casualties do you think there are at this point?

Doesn't matter what you 'think', just what is.

socal2 says

If Russian casualties are even 1/3 of what

1/3 of 100% of propaganda bullshit?

And it doesn't matter. What matters is that Ukraine suffered far more relative to its population. That is why they are losing.

PumpingRedheads says

Doesn't matter what you 'think', just what is.

You got a number?

Why do you guys argue over this? Neither of you know what is actually going on. It's all been propaganda since week one and now for 2 years basically. No naturalized US citizen should give a flying fuck about this conflict. Let them duke it out. They'll do it again in 30 years. That's what Europe, Asia and the ME have done for centuries. Won't change.

Regardless of US flaws, a civil war that resulted in staying the same United States, we've had 200+ years of mostly peace in our country. Not one country in the Eastern Hemisphere can say the same. I suppose Australia or NZ? Maybe Sweden and other Nordic countries? That part of the world has seen warfare at some point in anyone older than 80. Then there's Africa. Fuck the other side of the globe. They're dumb asses.

WookieMan says

I suppose Australia or NZ? Maybe Sweden and other Nordic countries?

You may be thinking of Switzerland. Both Norway and Finland were invaded in WW2. Sweden and Switzerland last fought in war around the time of Napoleon. Switzerland stays of wars by never invading anyone and being armed to the teeth to prevent being invaded themselves.

WookieMan says

"As dumb as Americans are. Is there any evidence that Russians and Eastern Europeans have more intelligence?"

Plenty of evidence.

• They did not abolish their borders like the USA. Question: Is the USA still a country? Hello?

• They did not send their manufacturing plants (including equipment floor bolts) to China. That must have saved the elites a lot of money huh? Question: Are they still saving?

• American sanctions are benefiting Russia and bankrupting the USA. But then was the intent of the neoCon Nazi Globalist Reich. Was it not?

• Unlike the US economy that was flushed down the drain the Russian economy is booming and they are experiencing a shortage of workers.

• In the US the elites are trying to wipe out Western Civilization and kill Christianity. In Russia, both are thriving and they are proud of the fact.

"On the bright side, Ukraine got tons of organs to sell, tons of women relegated to peonage and prostitution/slavery, piles of children kidnapped for adrenochrome and tissues, masses of weapons to sell on the black market, and tons of commissions and residuals from whatever money laundering we could still swing. Also, pleasing Moloch with the curling smoke of death and the slaughter of large numbers of Slavs can't be ruled out as a success."

"We think we may be able to float a new Ukrainian currency backed by adrenochrome and international organ trafficking."

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/39794

Not around here. They are quite the diehard fan boys and agitprop repeating stations. Where they get the agitprop I shudder to contemplate.

Ceffer says

Not around here. They are quite the diehard fan boys and agitprop repeating stations. Where they get the agitprop I shudder to contemplate.

Loud keyboard Putin boosters can't define what a Russian "win" looks like at this point and have no idea how many Russians have been killed (or will be killed) to achieve this unstated "win".