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Eric Holder says

Do we really know a 1000 Pali children have really died?

No, we don't.

A common tactic ALWAYS used in an Israeli / Palestinian conflict is to put out false information that is first blamed on Israel, and then is later said to be a result of the Palestinians. The hospital is one example in this conflict. There's always atrocity propaganda as well, that's the "40 beheaded babies".

If you question something that the Israel says the Palestinians did, you're called anti-Semite and said to support the Palestinians, if you believe the Palestinians, you're called a fool and a terrorist sympathizer. It's always a no win situation.

There is always TONS of false information produced, and I don't know which sides do it, but I know that Israel has a much more sophisticated propaganda operation than the Palestinians do. I have learned to trust nothing when it's ongoing, and to evaluate it afterward. We'll know the body count in a few months, and I expect it might be staggering, but time will tell.

The true score of the calamity will only be known when things settle down, and that might be quite a while in this case. If water and food are really cut off to Gaza, there's going to be chaos, murder, possibly even cannibalism. Water is the main problem I would think, but again, time will tell.

Shaman says

Keep in mind that Israel created and trained that dog.

Hamas is a creation of Israel, and it is funded by Israel. Sort of like BLM and Antifa are run by our government, and the Patriot Front is an intelligence front.

richwicks says

Do we really know if it was a false flag?

Occam's Razor. And I tend to believe in Israel and Palestine over opinions thousands of miles away in the US. Mainstream media mostly shilling for Israel, alternative media saying Israel government is to blame. At this point if you don't believe false flag, you haven't done the research, or are giving into the propaganda.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

NuttBoxer says

So far over a thousand children(mostly Palestinian) have died as a result of this false flag.

Do we really know if it was a false flag?

Do we really know a 1000 Pali children have really died?

Do you even read what you quote? It's a total count of all children. But does it really matter their ethnicity as they are children? You're right, it doesn't. It only matters who's most responsible for their deaths, the Israeli government.

NuttBoxer says

At this point if you don't believe false flag, you haven't done the research, or are giving into the propaganda.

I think it was someone at the top in Israel deliberately letting Hamas massacre Israelis for PR and/or distraction purposes.

So the Hamas flag was real, and they really killed all those Israelis. What do you call that though? Not exactly false flag.

Shaman says

Wow, full on propaganda cartoons. Are you going to post the video of the MaryJuana addict killing his mother with a frying pan next?

Eric Holder says

Do we really know a 1000 Pali children have really died?

Because the Gaza Health Ministry, run by Hamas for 15 years, says so. And you can totally trust people who send Paragliding terrorists to gun down Hippies at Peace Rave.

You have to stop listening to the IDF and the Zio-controlled Media, Eric, and listen to the unvarnished truths coming from PressTV, Al Jezeera, MintPressNews, Globalresearch.ca, and Bitchute Bloviators.

Palestine was not even a Province of the Ottoman Empire.


Vilayet: Duchy
Sanjak: County

richwicks says

That was the spark that started this fire.

I thought it was cartoons of Mohammed?

Booger says

Shapiro is being disingenuous. Israel is a NATION, and disagreeing with that nation's policy is not an attack on Jews worldwide. Are there attacks on Jews all over America? Any chance that America will cut off the $billions given to Israel every year? Maybe recall the carrier groups we are sending out to defend Israel? One American ship in the Red Sea just took out a drone and a cruise missile fired from Yemen that appeared to have been fired toward Israel. As it appears now, anyone who wants a job in high-end banking or law best not criticize Israel or the Jewish owners of these firms will blacklist them.

Still partial to the JDAM theory?

https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital-hit-by-failed-rocket-meant-for-israel/120A1C22-BA32-418E-8837-BC4141FEFB00.html

My sources are independent, take no money from Israeli government, and are against war, and killing of ANY civilians. You source said covid would kill me, Ukraine is more important than Ohio and Maui, and that Biden won the election honestly.

Also my sources site Israeli government and US government for their JDAM theory. Whom to believe..? Also, just to confirm, you are saying the US military doesn't understand the bomb they designed, and the Israeli government social media is a bunch of liars?

Same group who admit it's policy to kill children, also have a policy to kill their own citizens, see Hannibal Directive...

https://twitter.com/propandco/status/1728826435559993403

Nuttboxer, even the notorious anti-Israeli "Human Rights Watch" has reported that it was a Hamas rocket that blew up the hospital parking lot.

Are you still standing by Hamas' claims?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion

NuttBoxer says

Same group who admit it's policy to kill children, also have a policy to kill their own citizens, see Hannibal Directive...

https://twitter.com/propandco/status/1728826435559993403

What is this supposed to prove?

Are you somehow insinuating that Hamas did not kill, rape, torture and kidnap thousands of Israelis because you think the IDF might have killed some Israelis in the fog of war trying to drive Jihadis back into Gaza on 10/7?

Are all these videos of Hamas killing civilians fake?

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

Well the Palestinians should all just yell "li li li li li li li li li li" from the top of their heads. It seems to calm them down when they get upset, that terrorists murdered hundred if not thousands of innocent victims in Israel and throughout the world.

What they ought to do, is get right with Jesus.

Suspected Islamic terrorists bombed a Catholic Mass at Mindanao State University in southern Philippines on Sunday, killing at least four and wounding dozens more.

The Palestinian assholes will get my sympathy when they condemn the actions of their brethren.

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/12/03/presumed-islamic-terrorists-bomb-catholic-mass-in-philippines-killing-4/

Until then I'll point the ones getting away to Bibi while he bashes every last one of the scumbags scampering under his feet.

NuttBoxer says

Islamic-pedo media 'The Guardian' does not cover about the Jihadi who was using that girl as a shield.

NuttBoxer says

This is the best proof that Muslims use Children and Women as a shield in their Jihad all the time.

I'll be blunt. Who cares? As I believe I've said before. Kids shouldn't die. No one should be attacked and killed. At the end of the day this part of the world for centuries has been a shit hole of death and divide. What is gonna change?

There will be a cease fire over and over and then another major attack. Rinse and repeat. There's no solution to this problem besides frankly letting one side just genocide the other, look the other way, instead of dragging this out for another 10 centuries.

I'd literally propose nuking Gaza to be honest. Give warning and wipe it away. Worked pretty well with Japan if anyone is being honest about killing people. A group like Hamas doesn't come back in the future if everyone has the fear of death because of some disagreements over fictional books and "disputed" land masses. Puts life and things in perspective. Was this shit all worth it? Not moral by any stretch but is this constantly going on forever any better? Rip the bandaid off.

Harsh take but I don't care.

Every child is an Amalek when your customer base is jonesing for adrenochrome, stem cells, tissues and body parts.

Just find a Biblical edict for every crime of convenience. It's a dandy way to pull off Satanic inversions, and can be profitable, too!

Blue says

Islamic-pedo media 'The Guardian' does not cover about the Jihadi who was using that girl as a shield.

That's actually a documented Israeli government technique. But I wouldn't expect you to know that being from a country that's dropped more bombs on the Middle East than any all the bombs dropped in several major world conflicts. Keeping funding your AIPEC!

Blue says

This is the best proof that Muslims use Children and Women as a shield in their Jihad all the time.

Only 10% of those killed have been deemed combatants. So by your logic every Hamas fighter is surrounding themselves with 1,000 child shield? Maybe next you can try explaining how Epstein was actually a victim, after all, he's a Jew right...

Tenpoundbass says

Until then I'll point the ones getting away to Bibi while he bashes every last one of the scumbags scampering under his feet.

The women and the children. If this were a domestic situation you'd be the supporter of a wife and child beater. But what Israel's government is doing is way worse than that. How do you live with yourself...

AmericanKulak says

Jews definitely charge interest to each other.

Also, Maddoff's victims were overwhelmingly and disproportionately Jewish like himself. Most scammers rip off their own; Ponzi's largest group of rubes were Italians, at least at first.

Mormons are notorious for pulling Ponzis on each other. Faith that the religion offers protection amongst the faithful is a nice manufacturer of marks.

NuttBoxer says

The women and the children. If this were a domestic situation you'd be the supporter of a wife and child beater. But what Israel's government is doing is way worse than that. How do you live with yourself...

The IDF has been going through the streets announcing anyone wanting to flee and hostages to come to their voice. The MSM calls them "Human Shields" but our FBI would call it Aiding and abetting. And if the Palestinians were some nature cult out in the woods, what do you think they would do to them?

Do you support an end to this once and for all? Or do you kina like the idea that the Palestinians in Israel are a rudderless unrepresented demographic, that is ripe to be stooges of dangerous violent caliphate? I believe Israel(Bibi) has the absolute right to put an end to it now. The media and press is panicking and is putting so much misinformation about the casualties the IDF's force. The same people telling Israel to stop, are the same ones sending them aide to attack Israel. What do you make of those UN boxes mixed in with the rockets?

What happened to that Proxy Commadner In Chief that Bibi announced would take over as his Military leadership role? It was announced just hours after the attack. But then Bibi has taken anything but a backseat position. I think the attack was coordinated with Israel's deep state, not in participating, but in looking the other way and fumbling for the keys while the attack took place on Oct 7th. The Military or any security forces, did not responded to the attack at the speed the Israeli security forces are known for. Bibi has been under attack from his establishment in the same ways, and for the same reasons that Trump, Balsinaro, Penn, Wilders, and all of the other conservatives populists around the world. He's been indicted and fought Kangaroo courts and countless investigations, he's been persecuted for being in office, and cheated out of running again. They were trying to take him out, the Israeli people were supposed to turn on him and blame him.

That is why the establishment has to vilify his response, and make the defenders out to be offenders. That is why gay and clueless Liberals are on the Support Palestine band wagon. Ukraine doesn't even matter any more. They've moved on to the next thing they know absolutely nothing about the backstory of.

More proof of deliberate babykilling:

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/12/01/palestinian-doll-baby-n2390379

NuttBoxer says

Only 10% of those killed have been deemed combatants.

Says who?

Boggles my mind how some people still take Hamas' word as Gospel after they get caught over and over again faking or inflating death tolls. There are simply no independent verification of any of these death statistics yet and won't be for months.

Deep dive into the bullshit Hamas death statistics that useful idiots in the West simply accept as truth.

https://twitter.com/Aizenberg55/status/1731753062622982386

NuttBoxer says

That's actually a documented Israeli government technique. But I wouldn't expect you to know that being from a country that's dropped more bombs on the Middle East than any all the bombs dropped in several major world conflicts. Keeping funding your AIPEC!

This isn't true by a long shot, at least the level of violence.

The Syrian Civil War was more deadly than the entire Arab-Israeli conflict since 1947, including Yom Kippur and 67 as well as the War of Attrition and Independence (unlike the Arabs, the Hebrews were not given a state by a European on a silver platter).

The Iran-Iraq war blows both combined away.

Islamist propaganda is propaganda. Just because the Western MSM lies doesn't mean the Leftist/Russian/Middle East Press tells the truth.

Palestinian Refugees will always increase because it's a birthright.

Linda Sarsour is a great example, She has US citizenship by being born in the USA. Her family owns multiple properties in Jordan and in Brooklyn. Yet she, her naturalized parents, her husband (also birth citizenship) and her 21st Century born children are... "Refugees' !?!?!?! under UNRWA rules.

There is literally NO circumstance where a Palestinian Refugee stops being one, if they have 3 residencies and 2 citizenships and properties all over the world and multiple income sources. Justin Amash, for example, is considered a Refugee despite having been a Congressman. As is Trashida Talib-an.



The whole thing was a scam. The reason Palestinians own so much property in the US is when Carter let them in in the 1970s, they got Zero-Coupon Bond like checks from the Arab League and UNWRA that they cashed tax free without ID at any bank. While claiming welfare, free Student Housing, free Student Meals, of course free Tuition as Turd World Refugees, and every Food Stamp and Housing benefit they could, while investing the $100s of dollars/month in "Refugee" money in mortgages and real estate.

Meanwhile, they protested "Long Live Khomeni! Long Live the House of Mighty Lion Assad! Leon Klinghoffer the WW2 Bomber Vet deserved Death! Long Live Plane Hijackers! And Death to America! Death to Israel!" On the campuses, back then just as much as today.

Refugee fraud is rampant, because USA has always been considered a foolish country for giving away so many benefits to be reaped by the unscrupulous.

Many Iranians have family money in foreign banks, are quite wealthy as a group, but like to milk welfare and medical insurance as if they are poor. I have talked with many who will act like they were poor refugees washed up on shore and worked their way up from nothing while wearing extremely expensive clothes and personal accessories/jewelry/cars. Many of the health professionals think the public medical benefit systems are cows to be milked, and several have wound up arrested for various medical insurance fraud capers, sometimes on a massive scale.

In California a few years ago, there were some foreign doctors who became licensed who were performing unnecessary heart surgeries for years for the insurance claims on MediCal before they were caught.

Filipinos also often have properties and businesses/farms they own in the Philippines, while pretending to be poverty cases. It's just a thing to pretend that when you come to USA, you start with nothing but hide your wealth and exploit the system. That's often why many come here in the first place.

Tenpoundbass says

Do you support an end to this once and for all? Or do you kina like the idea that the Palestinians in Israel are a rudderless unrepresented demographic, that is ripe to be stooges of dangerous violent caliphate? I believe Israel(Bibi) has the absolute right to put an end to it now. The media and press is panicking and is putting so much misinformation about the casualties the IDF's force. The same people telling Israel to stop, are the same ones sending them aide to attack Israel. What do you make of those UN boxes mixed in with the rockets?

What happened to that Proxy Commadner In Chief that Bibi announced would take over as his Military leadership role? It was announced just hours after the attack. But then Bibi has taken anything but a backseat position. I think the attack was coordinated with Israel's deep state, not in participating, but in looking the other way and fumbling for the keys while the attack took place on Oct 7th.

How do you reconcile these two theories: (A) killing all Palestinians in Gaza would result in "an end to this once and for all"; (B) the Oct 7th attack "was coordinated with Israel's deep state ?

The reality is that, even if all the Palestinians in Gaza are killed tomorrow, the killings and fighting will continue tomorrow and thereafter, first in West Bank, then in (or borders facing) Lebanon, Syria and Sinai. The war and movement are literally anti-semitic, not just in the sense that Palestinians and Arabs account for 97% of Semites in the world, but more precisely: the "Palestinians" (i.e. residents (and their descendants) of Palestine prior to the Zionist movement) are genetically the closest related to the original Torah Jews and Biblical Jews. The European and North Asian self-identified Jews are genetically much farther away from the original Torah Jews and Biblical Jews, most of whom stayed in the area as pre-industrial farmers thousands of years ago and nominally converted to Christianity and then Islam while continued to practice their Torah-base local traditions (they essentially internally considered both Christianity and Islam as branches of Judaism, while nominally bowed to whoever the ruler happened to be in order to keep their heads attached to their necks). The "Palestinians" are the genetic descendants of the Torah and Biblical Jews!

The entire movement is a bankster scam as if promoting the return of White Supremacists to South Africa to reclaim their ancestral land where their ancestors were kicked out of Africa 60,000 years ago (or in recent decades): the real goal is not actually to build a new Eden or Heaven on Earth or Zion (all 3 mean the same thing) in the place, but to inject a high savings-rate population into a land devoid of bankable people (using special privileges to exploit the less bankable "natives"), turning local resources into bank deposits, then wholesale slaughter the colonists / bank account holders after a few decades. In the land of Palestine, this process is especially insidious: literally a replay of a lower-Jewishness-content population slaughtering a higher-Jewishness-content population, just like the Nazis (less than half Jewish by Nazi Nuremberg race law definition) slaughtering the more-than-half Jewish Germans for profit, then getting themselves slaughtered . . . so that the banksters can keep all the bank balances.

1. Gaza is a haven and household of terrorists.
2. You can believe that Israeli leaders had prior knowledge of the 10/7 attack but it doesn’t change the fact that Gaza militant terrorists funded by Iran through globalist bankster manipulation killed raped and kidnapped innocent Israelis and other people working in and visiting Israel on 10/7.
3. Gaza militant terrorists have stated, repeated and acted on their goal to destroy Israel.
4. If you misuse genetics to determine the most purest “Semites” it is a slippery slope to eugenics. If you want to live in a world where your genetics determine your standing, you are first of all deluded, (do you really trust scientists to prove/tell the truth as if they are the high priests?) and second of all setting yourself up to be dominated by some “superior “ blood line which will inevitably claim only they are the rightful heirs of power and everyone else is inferior.
5. The true religious Jews are the ones looking to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount. Establishment of the nation of Israel is politics/a decree of the USA and UN to recognize the government that Israel established in the wake of the Balfour agreement when Britain handed over control to the region and a new local government was established (look up Balfour Declaration to understand the situation where essentially Britain relinquished control and a new government rose up in its place which was recognized by USA, UN and a bunch of other world powers) https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/israel-zionism/2017/06/the-forgotten-truth-about-the-balfour-declaration. But establishing the new temple with the daily sacrifice as in the time of Jesus and before all the way back to Solomon is the end goal of true Jewish religious leaders who are looking for their messiah. If you claim to be Jewish and don’t long to rebuild the temple, you are Jewish/Semitic in name only.
6. Not every goal of the satanist banksters is about stealing money. They also secretly want to see the temple rebuilt in Jerusalem because they believe that they can defeat the God of the Bible. They think that when the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and defiled one last time by the Antichrist that finally even the Jews will bow to Lucifer. But just when they think they have gained the victory, Jesus will return and the true believers among Jews and all nations will be redeemed.
7. All the turmoil in Israel and the surrounding region is happening to set the region and the world up for a false peace treaty and a world government with a world religion.

Reality says

How do you reconcile these two theories: (A) killing all Palestinians in Gaza would result in "an end to this once and for all"

What kind of fucked up world do we live in where genocide is seen as a solution to anything...

I’m curious NuttBoxer…Israel has come to the table twice with two nation solutions.

The Palestinians have turned it down twice and do not seem to have any interest in Israel’s continued existence. The bots on social media bleat that Netanyahu isn’t in favor of a two state solution. I point out that’s irrelevant because the Palestinians have proven that they also couldn’t care less about a two state solution.

In light of that, what should Israel do?

One more thing. Majority of Palestinians favor extermination of Jews. How do you address that?

David Horowitz used to go on Larry Elders show quite frequently. This is what the Israelis are dealing with:

https://youtu.be/3kohkHclkZA?feature=shared