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GNL says

Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.

i taught mine just how to use them, so i didn’t have to worry about curiosity. they pretty much ignore them unless we go to hunt or shoot. this strategy worked well, i recommend it.

GNL says

Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?

410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683

#6 lead birdshot from a 410 at 5yds is at 14:17 in the above video.

Paul Harrel has a video on #4 birdshot from a 20ga
https://youtu.be/HF5N5tfMuX4?si=c2gzEYJv20nZlt0C&t=474

Here's why birdshot is not crazy for home defense - Drywall and Sheetrock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc

Hornady Critical Defense (with slug and buckshot) sucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suhpsBnkhBY

I have a Bond Arms .45LC/410ga myself.

AmericanKulak says

410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683

Comment from video...

"I’m a 73 yr. old Nam vet. I preferred the 410 for home defense because at my age a 12 gauge is just too big and unwieldy for my purposes. Also the low recoil of a 410 is easier on my arthritic wrists and I use the Winchester defender rounds in it with four discs and sixteen BB’s. And if those don’t take the target out in an average sized room nothing will. Great video by the way and thanks for the info."

Btw, love Paul Harrell.

GNL says

Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.

When I was in the 5th grade a kid from my soccer team, Johnny, went into his dad's closet to get a rag to clean with and found a gun. He thought it was unloaded and went into his 3rd grade brother's room, Philip, and blew him away. Philip did live long enough to let others know it was an accident.

Johnny just sat on a park bend in Vacaville's North Orchard Park by himself a lot after that but that's the last I know of him as we'd moved to Texas from CA recently and I actually learned about it from a letter my pal wrote me in pencil. I think I still have it around somewhere. Guy who wrote the letter soon after became schizophrenic along with is older brother.

Messed up small town for sure. So many stories from that place.

Even a 22LR may ward off an intruder as they are looking for unarmed victims or a home that is not occupied. One shot from a 22LR may be enough.

Heritage Firearms (I think made in Miami, FL) makes a 22LR revolver for around $125 and it is loud when fired off. 22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.

Look at how the Rooftop Koreans were able to protect property and lives without killing anyone in the LA Riots of the early 1990s.

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GNL says

Btw, love Paul Harrell.

I was going to say I do too, Paul is a hoot!

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22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.

22 LR hollow point does not expand well in my experience. But for shooting an intruder 22LR is perfectly fine, of course.

I've been building a boogie sig p365. Internals are sig but lower is Icarus Precision and slide is Shalotek. Just got back from Maui and am about to complete it with a red dot and stock sights for co-witness...



Will be for carrying...

Considering replacing the spring in my slide for magGuts for an extra 2 rounds.

I copied and pasted over most of the serial number but you can still see a bit of gold where it's printed.

Racks so much easier than my glock 17. You barely pull it maybe 1/2 inch and it loads a round.

Does anyone know the law regarding making a safety inoperable? For instance, if a handgun has a grip safety, is it illegal to tape the safety tight to the grip as if it is being palm depressed?

GNL says

Does anyone know the law regarding making a safety inoperable? For instance, if a handgun has a grip safety, is it illegal to tape the safety tight to the grip as if it is being palm depressed?

It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.

RWSGFY says

It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.

Correct. No safety on that gun above I'm putting together but if I'd wanted one that's an option.

Nice gun but too small for my hands. I bought a Ruger EC9s on a whim when I saw it online for $239. Too small but very concealable.

For me, I like the M&P 9mms.

That's why I replaced the lower because my hands are too big for a p365. I'm probably into that thing $1,400 by now though. Lower is aluminum and that gas pedal will be nice I think. Can't say for sure because I haven't shot it yet.

It's a better fit than my glock 17....

just_passing_through says

I'm probably into that thing $1,400 by now though.

Well, when you're a rich guy. :)

GNL says

Nice gun but too small for my hands. I bought a Ruger EC9s on a whim when I saw it online for $239. Too small but very concealable.

For me, I like the M&P 9mms.

I bought CZ 75 P01 after @clambo praised its virtues. I am not disappointed.

Bd6r says

GNL says

Nice gun but too small for my hands. I bought a Ruger EC9s on a whim when I saw it online for $239. Too small but very concealable.

For me, I like the M&P 9mms.

I bought CZ 75 P01 after clambo praised its virtues. I am not disappointed.

That's hammer fired, correct? I like striker fired. Lots of great guns out there though.

GNL says

Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?

410 will drop someone at close range just fine from a pistol, assuming 00 or 000 shot. A long gun should get you more velocity and less recoil, though, so I'd prefer the long gun if I had a choice. Then, if I do have a long gun, I'd prefer a 12- or 20-gauge over 410; choose a lower-powered round if you want less recoil. Also, #4 buck or BB size shot will be safer for neighbors 50+ yards away while still being devastating a in-house range in the larger chambered rounds.

GNL says

Well, when you're a rich guy. :)

Not really. I just splurged on that and my fish tank. My car is 21.5 year old and the window literally fell out when I was driving a few weeks ago!

Anyone have an opinion of a Mossberg 590A1?

I'm considering that one because it has a metal trigger guard (non-metal are known to break too soon) then replacing the barrel from a regular 590 because I don't need one so thick (and heavy) that will be fine with a tank rolling over it.

Then getting a 3rd barrel long enough to bird hunt with that has a choke. This is to cheap out about buying a regular hunting shotgun and a home safety device.

Probably just have a bead on it too but I don't think they come that way. I've never used ring sights before but those online seem to come with them. They don't look appealing.

Reviving @GNL thread: saw yesterday that ammoseek has 22LR ammo for 2.7 cents/round! All ammo prices except 7.62x39 which is heavily used in Ukraine are coming down. Good omen for Trump reelection?

Yeah, powder for reloads was in crazy short supply thanks to the Ukey kerfluffle. Things are finally starting to loosen up, but at prices that are 2X what they were before 2019.