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Thought everyone knew surgar was. Unhealthy.

Sugar is unhealthy? As opposed to what, high fructose corn syrup?

There was also a time (like doctors advertising cigarettes as 'healthy') that they hired dentists to tour primary and secondary schools and tell them that sugar was good for them and did not hurt their dentition. They also gave candy out at their talks.

So, the whores who will say anything for payola aren't novel. Whouda thought.

Humans naturally crave fat, sugar and salt.

Moderation is important in consumption of them.

Sugar per se isn’t unhealthy, but it’s not a health food either.

I’m cutting down on salt and animal fats; I cannot drink my coffee black however.

I don’t eat candy.

clambo says

Humans naturally crave fat, sugar and salt.

Moderation is important in consumption of them.

Sugar per se isn’t unhealthy, but it’s not a health food either.

I’m cutting down on salt and animal fats; I cannot drink my coffee black however.

I don’t eat candy.

Fat's can be filling and self moderating. Sugar, you can literally OD on. Moreover, there are plenty of examples of cultures (Eskimos, Northern Italy) where they eat a high fat diet and have amazing cardiovascular health. In Northern Italy the amount of butter they use is staggering. In southern Italy, they literally add pork fat (lardo or gauncale) to a number of dishes like it's nothing.

Lard is evidently healthier than butter, so I’ve heard.

RC2006 says

Thought everyone knew surgar was. Unhealthy.

Hah that’s just a conspiracy theory! Adjust your tin foil hat, RWNJ!

Yep, and because of that we have people eating cane sugar, corn syrup, cancer causing sweeteners, all thinking they are better off than people who eat bacon(can be bought with no added sugar). Now hydrogenated fats are a concern, but still not on the level sugar is, or any of its even worse substitutes(the unnatural ones).

Was at a party over the weekend, ate some food and shortly thereafter could feel infection stirring up in my right ear(I seem to have chronic infectious material hiding out in my eustation tube). That never happens when I eat fat, only added/non-complex sugars. I've heard, and believe, that without added sugar, most of our afflictions would die off, leaving us very healthy.

clambo says

Lard is evidently healthier than butter, so I’ve heard.

My dad told me that as a kid, they would eat lard on bread and didn't think it was unhealthful at all. And maybe they were right.

Now that we know that margarine was wrongly promoted as a "healthier" alternative to butter, it's hard to trust any government promotion. Turns out that margarine is quite bad for you, butter way better. I wonder how many people that particular "mistake" killed off early.

Patrick says

margarine was wrongly promoted as a "healthier" alternative

All the "vegetable" oils are freaking cancer causing poison.
Science writer Nina Teicholz breaks it down nicely in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UnOryQiIY

Robert Sproul says

All the "vegetable" oils are freaking cancer causing poison.

Hopefully that does not include olive oil. I do not want to give that up.

HeadSet says

Hopefully that does not include olive oil. I do not want to give that up.

She says that EVOO is different from, and slightly better than, the other industrial “vegetable” oils, but don’t heat it past 500 degrees or so I think. I now cook in tallow. https://www.amazon.com/Fatworks-Premium-Pasture-Artisanally-Rendered/dp/B00MOT5TCE
You can safely heat tallow high enough to get a great sear on steak etc.
I really think that the substitution of natural fats for industrial by-products like canola is helping to fuel a cancer epidemic, that of course the Medical Industrial Complex is happy to “treat”.
I am reluctant to post 40 minute videos but Nina Teicholz's talk was pretty engaging and changed the way I eat.

HeadSet says

olive oil

A New Yorker expose years ago revealed that much of imported olive oil was likely adulterated.
“In the August 13, 2007, issue of the magazine, Tom Mueller wrote about corruption in the olive-oil trade. By the late nineteen-nineties, olive oil—often cut with cheaper oils, such as hazelnut and sunflower seed—was the most adulterated agricultural product in the European Union. The E.U.’s anti-fraud office established an olive-oil task force, “yet fraud remains a major international problem,” Mueller wrote. “Olive oil is far more valuable than most other vegetable oils, but it is costly and time-consuming to produce—and surprisingly easy to doctor.”
Nearly five years later, fraud remains a problem.”
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/olive-oils-dark-side

So it seems worth it to seek out California produced olive oils.

HeadSet says

Hopefully that does not include olive oil. I do not want to give that up.

No, monounsaturated fats are good for you. Olive oil just has a taste and smell that puts some people off as well as a relatively low smoke point. It's the veg and seed polyunsaturated fats that have been pushed on us that are killers (if heated) and highly inflammatory. Similarly that beyond burger / impossible burger garbage:

https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/beyond-burgers-and-impossible-burgers-good-or-bad-for-your-health/

"In the Beyond Burger, there is canola oil, which is high in omega-6 fatty acids that are associated with increased inflammation. Chronic inflammation has been linked to depression, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, schizophrenia, personality disorders, and Alzheimer’s disease.

In addition, the mung beans are a legume, which means they have high concentrations of lectins. These are carbohydrate-binding proteins, and in some people, they can be toxic, allergenic, and pro-inflammatory.

In the Impossible Burger, there are trace minerals and vitamins—such as B12, folate, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, zinc, iron, and selenium—which is a good thing. However, there are several ingredients that are concerning, including the sunflower oil (high in omega-6 fatty acids that are pro-inflammatory), soy protein concentrate, soy protein isolate, and soy leghemoglobin."

These days I mostly use strained bacon fat and butter (clarified or not) for cooking. Less often avacado oil or coconut oil. Still a moderate amount of grapeseed oil (for lack of flavor and high smoke point) but I should probably learn to cut that out.

Probably the worse of all are the hydrogenated oils. I didn't even mention those.

Robert Sproul says

So it seems worth it to seek out California produced olive oils.

That's why I only buy CA olive oil. I think it's even worse these days with the Mafia cutting the Italian stuff with North African oil.

When I was in France, a French guy explained the "Extra Virgin" olive oil.

He said the "extra" virgin oil comes from fresh olives and a light use of the press
After that, a little more pressure is put on the press and puts out "virgin" oil
Then more pressure to get the regular olive oil
Finally, they heat the press and use high pressure to get out any residuals, and that is what they sell to the Italians....

just_passing_through says

HeadSet says

Hopefully that does not include olive oil. I do not want to give that up.

No, monounsaturated fats are good for you. Olive oil just has a taste and smell that puts some people off as well as a relatively low smoke point. It's the veg and seed polyunsaturated fats that have been pushed on us that are killers (if heated) and highly inflammatory. Similarly that beyond burger / impossible burger garbage:

https://www.amenclinics.com/blog/beyond-burgers-and-impossible-burgers-good-or-bad-for-your-health/

"In the Beyond Burger, there is canola oil, which is high in omega-6 fatty acids that are associated with increased inflammation. Chronic inflammation has been linked to depression, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorde...

Real meat is def much healthier than that beyond/impossible crap. Also olive oil is very healthy but as you mentioned, when cooking at very high temperatures it is better to use oils that have a higher smoke point and break down at higher temperatures, I think both avocado and coconut oil fall into that category. Olive oil is great consumed raw or with sauteed veggies or pasta and pasta sauce.

Also wrt to sugar imo it's ok to indulge occasionally as long as you exercise enough. You def don't need to keto if you're physically active. I think 150-300 carbs total per day are fine, towards the higher level if you're very active and more towards the lower level if you're less/moderately active only.

HeadSet says

When I was in France, a French guy explained the "Extra Virgin" olive oil.

He said the "extra" virgin oil comes from fresh olives and a light use of the press
After that, a little more pressure is put on the press and puts out "virgin" oil
Then more pressure to get the regular olive oil
Finally, they heat the press and use high pressure to get out any residuals, and that is what they sell to the Italians....

lol Italy makes their own EVOO, there's the good ole rivalry.

mell says

Olive oil is great consumed raw or with sauteed veggies or pasta and pasta sauce.

It works great with frying portabellas. And I know it sounds bad, but using olive oil to pop corn works well. Try it, you will be surprised at the quality of the taste, and I use the EV robust stuff.

Patrick says

Gosh, it's almost as if our government is pretty easily corrupted to direct profits to certain industries at the expense of public health.

Its not as if, it is. I am surprised that NPR has not deleted the article from 2016. They are probably not dependent on sugar industry money and get enough dough from liberal institutions.

HeadSet says

mell says
Olive oil is great consumed raw or with sauteed veggies or pasta and pasta sauce.

It works great with frying portabellas. And I know it sounds bad, but using olive oil to pop corn works well. Try it, you will be surprised at the quality of the taste, and I use the EV robust stuff.

Yep, you can still fry stuff with olive oil you just need to keep the temp no higher than 300 (or 350?). I have a German aunt that fries all sort of schnitzel etc., in olive oil. I've fried up some Italian Scaloppine in olive oil too.

For other stuff at higher heat, Asian in particular I used Avacado, Coconut or Grapeseed oils.

RC2006 says

Thought everyone knew surgar was. Unhealthy.

It is based on moderation like Thomas Jefferson said about beer.

And monitor medical metrics like blood glucose level and A1C to evaluate how moderate the sugar usage is.

I like using stevia which was recommended by my Veteran Affairs primary care medical doctor. Sometimes I'll also the Walmart brand honey for my coffee.

If I eat too much sugar I'll fast walk the treadmill for 15 minutes or lift dumbell weights for 10 minutes to drop my blood sugar level.

My doctor said also if you sit to lift one leg at a time and feel the tightening of the leg muscles near the hip; he said to hold that position for about 30 seconds and then switch to the other leg. That exercise helps to metabolize sugar.

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mell says

He said the "extra" virgin oil comes from fresh olives and a light use of the press

I'm pretty sure that's the one they sell at walmart under the GREAT VALUE brand

RC2006 says

Thought everyone knew surgar was. Unhealthy.

Only until the media tells you that it's good for you.

Robert Sproul says

I really think that the substitution of natural fats for industrial by-products like canola is helping to fuel a cancer epidemic,

I'm pretty sure its that or the air we breath...One thing for sure, it's not the jab.