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And in the 2000s I had offices in both Moscow and Kiev so I do have an understanding of these countries.

keeprubbersidedown says

And in the 2000s I had offices in both Moscow and Ukraine so I do have an understanding of these countries.

Yep. Agreed. It's sad because the patriotic thing to do would be to restore the US to its old glory where its metropoles could not only compete with those of the rest of the world, but actually outshine them, instead of putting your head in the sand chanting "USA! USA!" while they run it into the ground ;)

keeprubbersidedown says

This is exactly a strategy that will never work. Its the US that has already been diminished. Russia is stronger and has Chinas full backing. This "war" is all about defense contractor $. The US is in no way prepared for this. We dont even mine our natural resources. Oil pipelines were shut down. Our military leaders are jokes. There are not 8 more years of Ukrainians to sacrifice. And why? Whats the Russian issue? Are they worse than us? Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, the list goes on of failed US offenses.

US is weak with weak people sadly. And yes Im an American the left socal.

Depends. Yes its weak compared to the troops sent to Vietnam. But the Pentagon figures that there won't be 50,000 boots on the ground like in combat zones of Vietnam.

They figure for a more asymmetric warfare strategy and use of tech like Patriot missiles will be enough to drag the war out.

But I don't see the USA continuing to send +$50 billion each year to Ukraine as likely they are going to wind down the spending.

I think if the House of Representatives approves the Ukraine spending for 2024, they'll want to cut 15% from what the Senate approved as part of a compromise.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jMHmkNDSAM0

UkraineIsFucked says

Who the hell uses FB for 'real news' anyway?

Who uses FaceBook?

Stupid people do. If you want actual information, you're not going to find it on YouTube, Google, Facebook and RARELY you'll find it on Twitter. Twitter didn't stop censorship, all you see there are high profile people that are already recognized.

It's only the dullest of our society that still look for information on the major platforms. If you want to see actual information, it's confined to Rumble, Bitchute Odysee, Telegram, Gab and other lessor known sites. The reason the propaganda box constantly talks about the big 3 internet companies, is that they are promoting propaganda.

Nothing that the Tucker Carlson / Vladimir Putin interview covered was new. It's been covered at nauseam by many people years ago. Oliver Stone did it.

richwicks says

Stupid people do. If you want actual information, you're not going to find it on YouTube, Google, Facebook and RARELY you'll find it on Twitter.

Not true at all. I'm not a national guy really for news. The government is going to do what they do. I get tons of dirt on shit going on locally on FB. You don't have to comment or post, but you'd be STUPID not to at least get into feeds on local issues. 100% necessary with kids.

Point is it's a huge jumping off point for knowing what is going on with stuff that actually effects you. I've been done with main stream media for over a decade. Local facebook groups have made me money too. People need help with things and I have the ability and equipment to do so. Not life changing, but I can get a vacation out of it annually. And not a cheap one.

WookieMan says

Not true at all. I'm not a national guy really for news. The government is going to do what they do. I get tons of dirt on shit going on locally on FB. You don't have to comment or post, but you'd be STUPID not to at least get into feeds on local issues. 100% necessary with kids

Local issues don't matter. You want to see how criminal your government is? Probably not. I do.

In 50 years time, the US flag will be viewed in the same exact way the Nazi flag is currently now. That's how bad our fucking government is, and people are blissfully aware of it. Your grandchildren will have to deal with it.

richwicks says

In 50 years time, the US flag will be viewed in the same exact way the Nazi flag is currently now. That's how bad our fucking government is, and people are blissfully aware of it. Your grandchildren will have to deal with it.

90% of what you deal with is local. 5% state wide and then 5% national. You kind of sound bat shit crazy. Your life almost 100% runs on local politics.

Yes I get taxed by the federal government and they use my money for stupid shit. What the federal government does has almost nothing to do with you on a daily basis. Your roads good? That has nothing to do with the federal government. Utilities? Parks? Library? Police? Fire? The federal government has nothing to do with that in almost 90% of funding.

Your next door neighbor that's a trustee or alderman. The police chief. Mayor. Those are the people that influence your life the most. By a lot. If you want change become a House Representative in your district. Or get after your rep publicly. Bitching here is doing nothing.

Tucker has gone full Noam Chomsky now sucking up to Islamists in Dubai?

The rhetoric below is no different than the Squad and all the antifa Commies and sexual degenerates closing down our streets with protests over George Floyd and Hamas. The dude is losing it....

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"Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News host and right-wing media personality, suggested on Monday that the U.S. had lost its “moral authority” because it has refused to call for a cease-fire in the war between Israel and Hamas.

“If you see a nation with awesome power abetting war for its own sake, you have a leadership that has no moral authority, that is illegitimate,” Carlson said at the World Governments Summit in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, where he was participating in a discussion on the future of “storytelling.”

The answer came in response to a question asking him to assess why the U.S. had vetoed a U.N. resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza."
https://jewishinsider.com/2024/02/asked-why-u-s-continues-to-back-israel-tucker-carlson-says-u-s-spreading-destruction-for-its-own-sake/

The_Deplorable says

A bride's selfie...



https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jMHmkNDSAM0

Hot blonde who no doubt married an oligarch or oligarchs son.

socal2 says

Tucker has gone full Noam Chomsky now sucking up to Islamists in Dubai?

The rhetoric below is no different than the Squad and all the antifa Commies and sexual degenerates closing down our streets with protests over George Floyd and Hamas. The dude is losing it....

He's right. Why do you want to kill people needlessly? There is no use in killing Palestinians aside from the terrorists. They are as innocent as the Israelis who died during this brutal attack. A mighty nation should broker peace deals instead of engaging in proxy wars. They can also stay out of it, they don't have to follow UN resolutions. But we should stop sending money to Israel as well. This is no different than the Ukraine conflict, even further away. Fuck these handouts and give money to US Vets and US citizens/taxpayers and rebuild the country instead

There was no need to invade Iraq. There were contractual obligations with Kuwait to beat Saddam back into his own country. After that was achieved they should have stopped. There was no reason to bomb Lybia and overthrow Gaddafi. There is no reason to expand into Palestinian territory except for provoking war. Maybe Israel can create a DMZ corridor with the help of other nations, but they need to come to the table, just killing people will turn the region into another Afghanistan, which may have already happened.

mell says

There was no need to invade Iraq. There were contractual obligations with Kuwait to beat Saddam back into his own country. After that was achieved they should have stopped. There was no reason to bomb Lybia and overthrow Gaddafi. There is no reason to expand into Palestinian territory except for provoking war. Maybe Israel can create a DMZ corridor with the help of other nations, but they need to come to the table, just killing people will turn the region into another Afghanistan, which may have already happened.

US Military is a mercenary army of the City of London and the Vatican. They go where they are told to go and kill and bomb who they are told to kill and bomb without regard for the opinions of the Republic (who will be bombarded with lies and propaganda about said mercenary incursions) for high pay. Their mission is to steal and occupy world resources for the Raj.

When is the last time the American public actually wanted any of these wars, even stoked by their Satanic propaganda press? Mostly never. False flags, fake provocations, fake news, fake righteousness etc. etc.

mell says

He's right. Why do you want to kill people needlessly?

FFS - now "the Right" is using Code Pink and Hamas rhetoric?

Israel is trying to get its hostages back and eliminate Hamas who are STILL firing rockets into Israel. And you call that "killing people needlessly"?

mell says

A mighty nation should broker peace deals instead of engaging in proxy wars.

The US has been trying to broker a peace deal in the Middle East my entire life.

Absolutely pointless when one side (Arabs) absolutely refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

socal2 says

mell says

He's right. Why do you want to kill people needlessly?

FFS - now "the Right" is using Code Pink and Hamas rhetoric?

Israel is trying to get its hostages back and eliminate Hamas who are STILL firing rockets into Israel. And you call that "killing people needlessly"?

mell says

A mighty nation should broker peace deals instead of engaging in proxy wars.

The US has been trying to broker a peace deal in the Middle East my entire life.

Absolutely pointless when one side (Arabs) absolutely refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

You better read what is currently proposed by Hamas, freeing all hostages in exchange for other captives. If Israel truly wanted to free their hostages they should go for it, they could still reverse course after they get their people back. If you were one of those hostages you'd pray for diplomacy. Israel's right to exist must be recognized, but the Gaza strip was not Israel's territory and they should negotiate what it would take to give it up. Sure or they could just go and keep killing neach other. Great solution

mell says

You better read what is currently proposed by Hamas, freeing all hostages in exchange for other captives. If Israel truly wanted to free their hostages they should go for it,

No more 1000 to 1 prisoner/hostage exchanges where Hamas gets to beef up their terrorist army to fight another day.

Israel learned its lessons after the last Hamas war where they freed the current Hamas leader Sinwar who is responsible for all the mass murder, rape and hostage taking on 10/7.

Everything you and the new right-wing Anti-American crowd are suggesting for Israel has already been tried over the last 50 years. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

This time is different.

But we now have Right Wingers sounding like fucking Left Wing academics citing Chomsky, BLM and other "anti-Colonial" horse shit.

If this is what MAGA means - I'm out......

socal2 says

The US has been trying to broker a peace deal in the Middle East my entire life.

If you think they were sincere then it's time to stay out. No payments to anyone but US citizens and internal affairs only, be neutral on all resolutions, let them duke it out. You want billion of dollars out of your pocket go into the middle East and Ukraine for warfare?

socal2 says

Israel learned its lessons after the last Hamas war where they freed the current Hamas leader Sinwar who is responsible for all the mass murder, rape and hostage taking on 10/7.

Agreed, no freeing terrorists.

socal2 says

The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

You better check how much money was spent on Israel by the US. No money for anybody. This should be taken care of by bordering nations. Or not.

mell says

You better check how much money was spent on Israel by the US. No money for anybody.

They use that money to bring in all the illegals to both US and Europe to start internal wars.

WookieMan says

90% of what you deal with is local. 5% state wide and then 5% national. You kind of sound bat shit crazy.

You have no idea about history.

You're a good German not worrying about what the Nazi party was doing. You're a good Russian not worrying about the Bolsheviks. You're a good Chinese not worrying about the Chinese Revolution.

People are so fucking stupid I have to watch you assholes run the entire country off a cliff through your complete negligence and you don't care about your ignorance.

The US is currently siding with a racist genocidal group of Jewish supremacists, has needlessly made enemies with a nuclear super power, and is making enemies with the worlds largest economy, while it wars against its own citizens, and you couldn't care less. Fucking unbelievable.

socal2 says

Everything you and the new right-wing Anti-American crowd are suggesting for Israel has already been tried over the last 50 years. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

Palestinians didn't start a war. Isrfael is a bunch of Jewish bigots that moved en masse into Israel and made war with the indigenous population. There was NEVER a state of Israel. There's no mention of it in the Roman history, Greek history, or Egyptian history. It's always been a GROUP.

richwicks says

You're a good German not worrying about what the Nazi party was doing.

Because it was fucking local dude. Nazis, KKK, etc. They gained power at the local level and projected it onto the masses. I know my fucking history dude. It wasn't like Hitler just woke up one day and said kill Jews because he lead Germany and everyone followed. They converted people in cities, towns and villages. Local. I don't think you're getting my point... clearly.

Have you not witnessed black lives matter? Guess what? There's no BLM movement in my town and will never be. If enough localities resist this shit doesn't happen. This can be projected towards any issue on a federal level. People like to get reelected. It's you folks in the large suburbs and cities that are to blame. You bitch yet do nothing. I like my little enclave and we will group together and kill anyone that fucks with our town. No one would even be dumb enough to fuck with our town.

I have no interest in anything in the Eastern hemisphere. The place is in a perpetual state of war. We get involved because they're ancient petulant children. At some point let them glass each other over with nukes. Just don't involve us. NATO, the UN, etc. We live on different sides of the planet. We have everything needed in this hemisphere to be 100% prosperous without crossing Oceans. Local on a big scale can just be focusing on North and South America. But change starts at the local level like your neighborhood. Policy, leadership and from there move up the chain.

Bitching on Patnet is literally doing nothing. Go actually make change. I've had conversations with my House Rep Lauren Underwood who's a black Dem. Getting $2M for my community. Our next meeting I might bring up the Ukraine and Isreal BS. You can do the same. It only takes a few people to change a politicians stance. Money helps, but votes are needed to get reelected. You can call your House rep and get a meeting 90% of the time.

And again. You focus too much on national politics. Local is where change is made. CA is a shit hole of shit. You have a large population and project what you want on the rest of the nation. Frankly I blame you guys for not changing it. Get fucking involved instead of whining and posting memes. DO something.

Come on Wookie, BLM was not local. It is/was a national movement headed by someone. Who?

WookieMan says

Because it was fucking local dude. Nazis, KKK, etc. They gained power at the local level and projected it onto the masses. I know my fucking history dude.

You don't know the fucking present.

What you THINK is history is a bunch of propaganda and bullshit.

Government by the Nazis and Communists and OUR system was built ALWAYS from the top down. MOST people, like YOU, don't give a fuck, and don't pay any attention, and don't bother to fucking know what the FUCK is happening, and don't care.

YOU are the problem.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Everything you and the new right-wing Anti-American crowd are suggesting for Israel has already been tried over the last 50 years. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

Palestinians didn't start a war. Isrfael is a bunch of Jewish bigots that moved en masse into Israel and made war with the indigenous population. There was NEVER a state of Israel. There's no mention of it in the Roman history, Greek history, or Egyptian history. It's always been a GROUP.

There is a State of Israel. It has been acknowledged by the United Nations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel#:~:text=On%2011%20May%201949%2C%20the,to%2012%2C%20with%209%20abstentions.

Lemme guess ??? It is a propaganda site out to subvert stuff/things. It has no basis in fact.

You have been proven incorrect on one of your many false assertions.

Try not to make stuff up.

Misc says

There is a State of Israel.

There's a state of Israel NOW, it's likely to be the first time it was EVER a state.

There's absolutely no mention of an Israel in any of the ancient world. Name any king of Israel other than the FICTIONAL David?

Misc says

You have been proven incorrect on one of your many false assertions.

You're an idiot. I am surrounded by things incapable of thinking. You believe bullshit, without any fucking research or investigation. You do no work, you don't think at all, and you insist you're correct. I'm tired of having to live among you things.

At least, you have stated that there is a State of Israel.

To pull you further into reality...now say that it has been in existence longer than you have been alive.

I know this is tough. Try not to whine. It is unbecoming.

richwicks says

You don't know the fucking present.

What you THINK is history is a bunch of propaganda and bullshit.

You live in CA and don't even fucking understand dude. What have you done? Nothing beside bitch here on Patnet. We've had this argument. You yourself ARE the problem. CA is a thorn in this countries ass. And NY. IL is only left because of one city. Your entire state is a shit hole of fuck and you do nothing about it.

Patrick has at least done shit to try and fix your state. You guys project your garbage and policies on the rest of the nation and then think that's how the nation is. It's not remotely. Until you realize you live in a leftists state that gets the most electoral college votes and considers Arnold right leaning, you gotta educate yourself.

This is what I mean by local. It's not top down. You guys out there let this shit go on. As the largest state you have the biggest microphone. Especially with Hollywood. Make it fucking collapse. If you don't take it down locally it will continue at the top. I don't care that you think you know everything. You clearly don't.

Again Hitler didn't just snap his finger and killed Jews. He needed buy in from certain German regions on the idea. You have to stop the shit at the regional level. CA is a massive problem in our country. They've bought into the trash. They're mostly idiots. Dolts. You cannot say the country is Nazi pointing the finger when you've got a thumb you can point at yourself. Get the shit together out there. I'd say the same for New York.

Fact is get out and do something. Get elected for dog catcher. Until you do something everyone is kind of sick of the crocodile tears my friend. DO SOMETHING.

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1757862478384353463?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1757862478384353463?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Tucker is a poetic pussy. I generally don't mind him. That interview was weak sauce though. 100%. He's used to interviewing celebrities and US politicians. IF he even interviews them. He's a monologue type presenter like the late night shows. Rants and then chats with like minded people.

Still interrupts the MSM narrative that Putin is all bad. Over 185 million views vs 587000 CNN primetime viewers.

Do you think for an instant that our POTUS could do a 2 hour interview????

Misc says

Still interrupts the MSM narrative that Putin is all bad. Over 185 million views vs 587000 CNN primetime viewers.

Do you think for an instant that our POTUS could do a 2 hour interview????

But Putin was not rebutted. He never mentioned about Ukraine independence movements going back at least 150 years before Hitler was born. This is how the "Nazis" originally started in Ukraine. Or that the Ukrainian language is about 30% different than Russian.

Advanced forward to Moscow sending Bolsheviks to Ukraine to bully the population into accepting Moscow edicts; one of the Bolshevik leaders deployed to Ukraine was Josef Stalin.

Nevermind what set a lot of the "Pre-World War 2 Ukrianian Nazi's" over the edge which was the Holodomor.

Also I believe Ukraine was one of the first Soviet republics to declare independence from the Kremlin.

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WookieMan says

You live in CA and don't even fucking understand dude. What have you done? Nothing beside bitch here on Patnet. We've had this argument. You yourself ARE the problem. CA is a thorn in this countries ass

Dude, you're not going to do anything. I helped create the information infrastructure you are using now. I was at CableLabs when the DOCSIS standard was being designed there.

What we didn't understand is how fucking STUPID people were. We just thought they lacked information, but they don't now. You're still stupid, and uneducated. You think government works from the ground up, so fucking delusional.

Did your local town decide you had to wear masks and take a serum to keep a job, or did your federal government do that? Did your local government protect you from this GROSS overstep of power? No. But you're going to fiddle around with local bullshit. If you ever get into government, you'll be just as grafting and thieving as anybody else.

You know what it's like at THIS point to have to hear people tell me "Putin is an enemy! Putin invaded Ukraine for NO REASON! How could trump abandon our friends in Syria, the KURDS"? It's fucking painful at this point.

You know why the Kurds were being pushed into Syria? Well, it was hoped it would help destabilize it. They were used, and what does my government care, the Kurds that showed up there were the PKK, our government registers them as communist terrorists. This is BASIC KNOWLEDGE at this point, and 1% of the US population knows it. Despite giving the world ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE WORLD, they know just a LITTLE bit more than they did 30 years ago. You still, childishly, believe in government as a solution. "Oh we just fix the government", well, if we could just fix the mafia. Sure, that'll happen.

I still have to point out to dummies every now and then the US overthrew Ukraine and that's why there is a war. At this point, I'll tell them once, and if they object, I give them an article to read, tell them to disprove it, and quit being a sucker and a dope pushing propaganda like a tool. The world isn't complex or complicated, it's just filled with moral scum and suckers that don't realize they are moral scum.

Here's a little film clip of Europe's ever changing borders.

Just remember that every time those borders moved a bunch of people died. There's plenty of who did what to whom on all sides.

During Pax-Americana things were sorta stable.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gif+of+european+boundary+changes&sca_esv=f33756533c234e6e&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn094Igd3p8RT4EKqvAoj8NPRCfHTHw%3A1707990686082&source=hp&ei=nt7NZfSXAqK_kPIPhNSJsAg&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZc3srvR1MCmuoKPmBPMSrqn5sCdFYU19&ved=0ahUKEwj03vuQia2EAxWiH0QIHQRqAoYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=gif+of+european+boundary+changes&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiBnaWYgb2YgZXVyb3BlYW4gYm91bmRhcnkgY2hhbmdlczIFECEYoAFIktYBUIpPWP7QAXABeACQAQCYAdABoAHlF6oBBjI2LjUuMbgBA8gBAPgBAagCCsICBxAjGOoCGCfCAgoQIxiABBiKBRgnwgILEC4YgAQYigUYkQLCAhEQABiABBiKBRiRAhixAxiDAcICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAhAQLhiABBiKBRhDGLEDGIMBwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABiABBixA8ICDhAuGIAEGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIIEC4YgAQYsQPCAgsQLhiDARixAxiABMICDhAAGIAEGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIEEAAYA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGBYYHhgKwgIKEAAYFhgeGA8YCsICCxAAGIAEGIoFGIYDwgIFECEYnwU&sclient=gws-wiz#fpstate=ive&imgdii=W8ck-Wo5NmkibM&imgrc=q9HyP35aKbQPAM&ip=1&vld=cid:b924cb64,vid:k-2zaOhYlAM,st:0

richwicks says

Did your local town decide you had to wear masks and take a serum to keep a job, or did your federal government do that? Did your local government protect you from this GROSS overstep of power? No. But you're going to fiddle around with local bullshit. If you ever get into government, you'll be just as grafting and thieving as anybody else.

No we did NOT wear masks in my town. No government official in my town had to take the vaccine or employees. I'm an elected official. Let me know the last time you talked to your House Rep? Crickets. Been elected? I've said it over and over I give zero shits about the Eastern Hemisphere. We shouldn't either. Never said anything going on is good.

You really talk out your ass a lot. I actually do the work and don't sit around like a know it all. Government is ground up. Look at Chicago, San Francisco, LA, NYC, etc. They're cesspools of shit and they are what get those states the electoral college vote for POTUS. You cannot be an honest human if you think change in the cities I just mentioned couldn't turn a state and the system around then I'll state you're crazy.

#1 - CA
#2 - NY
#3 - IL

Those are your biggest enemies. We both live in them with yours being the worst. Fix the fucking place. I'm doing my part in IL. I don't care you call me stupid, at the end of the day I know I'm working how I can to make it better. Creating websites, programming, etc. does nothing. No one cares and they shouldn't. What you created is the problem. You know it too, so you get all defensive.

Why the fuck you think everyone is moving to Texas and Florida? Government is local and that controls those at the top. I didn't even know this was debatable. The 3 states above have way too much power over the system. That's not opinion, it is fact. You don't talk to people in Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa, etc. You know you don't. I don't care about the past. Stop with Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. How about the future? You've given up.

The federal government has all the $$. They spread it around in ways the empower them and their policies. Is that top down?

GNL says

The federal government has all the $$. They spread it around in ways the empower them and their policies. Is that top down?

They don't have all the money. Local places do. If you had to pick a place to get tax dollars, Detroit or Nashville? They have a similar population. You know the answer.

And I'm not talking about getting increased tax revenue. I'm pointing out that local matters. Detroit is shit and has made awful decisions to get votes. Nashville is more balanced and more people pay taxes. Detroit doesn't.

We need to get our house in order here sooner than later. And local is how it has to happen. Federal government ain't gonna change. Need to bring back family structure. Need to get the online carnival barkers engage in the government. Until then everyone's whining is a waste of text and air if they even have a cogent thought.

WookieMan says

They don't have all the money. Local places do.

They pay federal taxes and you cannot dispute 1. feds have a machine that goes Brrrrrrrrrrr and 2. they use that money as a bludgeon on the states.

GNL says

They pay federal taxes and you cannot dispute

I can and did. They don't get federal taxes if a city is a shit hole or there are hoards of homeless that pay nothing into the system. I'm not sure what is hard to comprehend about this. 60-70% of Detroit residence pay no federal income tax. Sure there are high earners in SF, but again most of the population pays nothing in federal taxes.

I already filed my taxes. $40k to the feds. I don't even recall state at this point.