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Which oils to avoid?


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2023 Jan 21, 7:13pm   29,550 views  220 comments

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I'm increasingly frustrated at the rapeseed oil (euphemistically called "Canola" oil by Canadian producers) and palm kernel oil that seems to be in almost all food. Pretty much everything at Trader Joe's seems to have one or the other. I was even at a Russian shop in Palo Alto today (Samovar, fun place) and found the poppyseed cake my grandmother used to make - except it was with margarine instead of butter, ugh.

Which of them are worth avoiding entirely?

Here are the fats and oils I think are bad:

- margarine (which is just canola and other crap oils hardened to make them stick in your arteries better)
- canola oil
- cottonseed oil (especially bad)
- palm kernel oil

I'm undecided about these:

- soybean oil
- sunflower seed oil
- avocado oil
- coconut oil
- peanut oil

I'm sure these are pretty good for you:

- olive oil
- butter
- lard (yes, I think lard is OK to eat)


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144   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:09pm  

Patrick says

Don't keep them at home.

That's what we do. The best thing that happened to us, was Chips, Soda and Snacks inflating 300% during George Bush's gas gouging, then the snack industry not reducing their prices to reflect the reduction in energy costs, that they used as an excuse to raise the prices. I could never bring myself to buy a bag of chips for $5.00, when they used to go for anywhere from 69 cents, to $1.20 just before Bush rigged Oil prices. Then I decided not to drink sugar at all, no sugar in my tea or coffee, and I don't buy soft drinks. This way, I can have an occasional slice of Cheese Cake or Apple Pie and not have to worry about my feet eventually turning purple.
145   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:13pm  

Lil Debbie snack cakes used to be my guilty pleasure. Of course they were edible back then. The last times I tried to buy and eat them, I threw the unneatened box and the snack cake with a bite out of it, in the trash. You can just taste the industrial ooze that is required to shove it through the automation plumbing, and anticoagulants, stabilizers, thickeners, artificial fats and what all. They over power any wholesome ingredients like flour, egg, dairy and sugar, to the point those are just faint hints and overtones. blech!!! The same with Pentridge farm products. My wife used to enjoy the Milan Cookies and I liked the Chess cookies. Not any more, they are worse than Lil Debbie in the toxic sludge vibe.
146   SoTex   2023 Nov 19, 12:16pm  

Have you ever gotten your fingers sticky from a sugary treat? Well, that's exactly what it does to your insides. I'm gums up your cells if you eat too much of it.

One example: you've got 4 'seats' in your red blood cells where oxygen is supposed to adhere to but too much sugar gums up those seats so it doesn't happen.

That's how an A1C test works. It checks your blood cells to see how gummed up they are and gives a good estimate of how much sugar you ate the prior 4 months or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycation
147   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:17pm  

The straw that broke the camels back for me on soda, was the Throwback series of soft drinks Pepsi put out about 15 years ago.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.
148   SoTex   2023 Nov 19, 12:19pm  

I make a big stink about that fact that I'm about to drink a coke at family events like Thanksgiving. I explain that I drink waaaay more beer than soda.
149   AD   2023 Nov 19, 12:59pm  

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My primary care doctor has emphasized to use olive oil and stevia, instead of corn oil and sugar.

Also said to drink more water with lemon, as that is very healthy for the liver and kidneys. He said black or green tea with honey is very high in antioxidants also.

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150   ElYorsh   2023 Nov 19, 1:07pm  

Tenpoundbass says


The straw that broke the camels back for me on soda, was the Throwback series of soft drinks Pepsi put out about 15 years ago.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.

I tasted the difference when in the mid 2000's when my local Costcos started selling Coca Cola from México. It didn't have the chemical aftertaste that Coke from the USA does with HFCS
151   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 1:19pm  

Tenpoundbass says


Lil Debbie snack cakes used to be my guilty pleasure.

Lil' debbie products will completely mess up my digestive system. Also those canned biscuits and certain frozen self rising pizzas like Digiorno and Freschetta. So I agree with you. I don't think that they can be categorized as food.
Tenpoundbass says


The same with Pentridge farm products.

did you mean PEPPERIDGE FARM?
152   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 1:26pm  

Patrick says

And conversely, I've read that an excellent way to lose weight is simply to make the sugary foods inconvenient. Don't keep them at home.

People somehow will not do even a little work for those snacks. They eat them when they are too easy to get.

I think that sometimes a person will eat a whole big bag of chips while watching TV and not even realize that they ate them
153   HeadSet   2023 Nov 19, 2:07pm  

komputodo says

I think that sometimes a person will eat a whole big bag of chips while watching TV and not even realize that they ate them

Smart marketers would make the bag edible.
154   Ceffer   2023 Nov 19, 4:25pm  

LOL!

155   Patrick   2023 Nov 19, 5:01pm  

HeadSet says

Smart marketers would make the bag an edible.


Fixed that for ya, lol.
156   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Nov 20, 7:32am  

ad says

My primary care doctor has emphasized to use olive oil and stevia, instead of corn oil and sugar.

Also said to drink more water with lemon, as that is very healthy for the liver and kidneys. He said black or green tea with honey is very high in antioxidants also.


Hold onto that doctor, not many with that level of knowledge on prevention outside of naturopathy.
157   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Nov 20, 7:37am  

We ate out a few times this weekend. Food on Sunday was decent, but could tell my intestine was being attacked by the food I ate Saturday night. I think it was the oil it was fried in, plus the GMO wheat. Was supposed to be a sope, but they didn't use masa.

I have a sweet tooth, but found these chocolate bars that are pretty healthy. Hu is the company. Only bad thing, they're like $4 a piece, and I eat like three in a week. Also do like the chips, but we use we get all of them from Siete foods, so oil is good, and ingredients too. Still, would be better to eat more meat and veg, and less chips.
158   gabbar   2023 Nov 20, 11:36pm  

AVOID IT: 4 BIG Health Reasons to Avoid Eating Out & Restaurants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDiLwMtwZk
We Americans, arguably, have the best designed kitchens in the world; use them please.
169   stereotomy   2024 Mar 1, 8:19pm  

Patrick says






I tried this with McD's "food" that I placed outdoors in the late 80's - same thing - NOTHING ate it, and it sat for a year and didn't even decompose.

That's a far cry from the food we now eat. We have to keep the scraps in the fridge until trash day; otherwise, the bugs and bacteria will feast and create a stinky mess - the bugs know what's good.
170   richwicks   2024 Mar 1, 8:31pm  

komputodo says

Rule #1 ...avoid the aisles in the supermarket that have those types of packages...go to the perimeter where the "more real" food is. Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?


In Silicon Valley, I find that the best way to shop for food is by going to Indian, Asian, and Mexican stores. They are generally small stores, but they sell almost exclusively food and little else. Many Indian stores sell awesome cookware are silverware. I can buy metal mugs, meant for chai, for $7.
171   Patrick   2024 Mar 6, 3:11pm  

https://gingerbreggin.substack.com/p/just-eggs-isnt-eggs-at-allits-mung


"Just Eggs" Isn't eggs at all....It's mung beans, canola oil and more....not an egg in sight!
179   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 May 9, 7:48am  

The_Deplorable says

We now have a cinnamon recall...

The latest: "Lead-tainted cinnamon has been recalled. Here's what you should know..." See https://finance.yahoo.com/news/lead-tainted-cinnamon-recalled-heres-222944869.html and
https://apnews.com/article/cinnamon-fda-lead-contaminated-dollar-tree-d1c59edb00826b212fae7dcb6f1cd98a


You get what you pay for. Those brands are all cheap shit, some even sold at dollar stores...
180   HeadSet   2024 May 9, 11:27am  

NuttBoxer says

Lead-tainted cinnamon

When something is sold by weight, what better what to enhance the price than adding lead?

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