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Which oils to avoid?


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2023 Jan 21, 7:13pm   29,697 views  225 comments

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I'm increasingly frustrated at the rapeseed oil (euphemistically called "Canola" oil by Canadian producers) and palm kernel oil that seems to be in almost all food. Pretty much everything at Trader Joe's seems to have one or the other. I was even at a Russian shop in Palo Alto today (Samovar, fun place) and found the poppyseed cake my grandmother used to make - except it was with margarine instead of butter, ugh.

Which of them are worth avoiding entirely?

Here are the fats and oils I think are bad:

- margarine (which is just canola and other crap oils hardened to make them stick in your arteries better)
- canola oil
- cottonseed oil (especially bad)
- palm kernel oil

I'm undecided about these:

- soybean oil
- sunflower seed oil
- avocado oil
- coconut oil
- peanut oil

I'm sure these are pretty good for you:

- olive oil
- butter
- lard (yes, I think lard is OK to eat)


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105   Patrick   2023 Jul 28, 10:30am  

My point in posting it was that Canola oil in particular is innately toxic, and heavily processed to get the toxicity down to a level that most people don't notice.

I don't mean that all seed oils need that much processing.
106   gabbar   2023 Jul 28, 10:41am  

Note that whenever you are eating at any restaurant, this for profit business is most likely using seed oils to cook their food so that they can make more money. I bet if anyone saw the cheap oils they use, we could find it alarming.
107   gabbar   2023 Jul 29, 8:59am  

Patrick says

My point in posting it was that Canola oil in particular is innately toxic, and heavily processed to get the toxicity down to a level that most people don't notice. I don't mean that all seed oils need that much processing.


Costco sells Canola oil, so do other stores. Its affordable. But I suspect that most restaurants use seed oils that are much cheaper than even Canola oil. Cotton seed oil?
108   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 29, 10:20am  

Patrick says


My point in posting it was that Canola oil in particular is innately toxic, and heavily processed to get the toxicity down to a level that most people don't notice.

I don't mean that all seed oils need that much processing.


Does anybody eat canola seeds? I don't think so. Maybe a good rule of thumb would be if you can eat the seeds the oil is more or less ok, but if you won't eat the seed the oil is probably better be avoided too.

PS. Again we see the limits of memes: just like 140-character tweets they require lengthy clarifications.
109   Patrick   2023 Jul 29, 12:11pm  

Good point. You cannot safely eat rapeseeds (Canola is just a marketing term to avoid the proper name, which contains the triggering word "rape") or cottonseeds.

I know memes have limits, but they also have a lot of virtues. They get to the point quickly. Most people simply don't have time to read everything.
110   gabbar   2023 Jul 29, 3:17pm  

Coconut oil is healthy and affordable but sells the least at Costco, imo. People buy other unhealthy oils. Coconut oil does give a taste to the food, I didn't like it.
111   Patrick   2023 Jul 29, 3:48pm  

I like the taste of coconut oil myself. Works well with fried Japanese sweet potato strips I think.
112   mell   2023 Jul 30, 1:01am  

I'm not convinced that seed oils are bad in moderation. Sure canola is bad due to hexane et. al. But omega 6 isn't necessarily bad, it's actually shown that it helps for certain conditions, e.g. borage oils for neurodermitis. It's like with everything quality and amount that matters. That being said, I do believe they are inferior to olive, avocado or coconut oil. So if you consume a lot, better go with the latter.
113   richwicks   2023 Jul 30, 2:18am  

komputodo says

richwicks says


HAHA - all the top recommended are junk foods except for kale and watermelon, both of which I hate.

You must be black. The reason I say this is because the only people I've ever heard that claim that they hate watermelon were blacks when speaking to white folk.


No, I just don't like it. I like bananas fine. I'd say pears and pineapple are the best fruits.
114   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 30, 9:19pm  

Eric Holder says

The point is obviously not "one seed oil", but rather "olive oil in its refined form is heavily processed too". The meme omits the latter completely and makes it look like olive oil requires no processing.


I hear you opinion, but it's never been corroborated by a single doctor that I've been to, or any research that I've done. And you're still getting lost in the woods with your friend. Health affects, good or bad, don't end at processing. If I follow the meme rather than your nit-picks, I will be overall healthier. I believe that's the whole point...
115   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 30, 9:20pm  

RWSGFY says

Does anybody eat canola seeds? I don't think so. Maybe a good rule of thumb would be if you can eat the seeds the oil is more or less ok, but if you won't eat the seed the oil is probably better be avoided too.

PS. Again we see the limits of memes: just like 140-character tweets they require lengthy clarifications.


Wow, you literally just did what you blame the meme for, but your advise will lead to worse health. Again, big picture PLEASE.
116   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 30, 9:22pm  

gabbar says

Coconut oil does give a taste to the food, I didn't like it.


Any sweets, like popcorn, pancakes are good with coconut oil. Or if you are cooking bitter vegetables and need to balance them out.
117   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 30, 9:23pm  

mell says

I'm not convinced that seed oils are bad in moderation.


Say that again after reading the link I provided.
118   mell   2023 Jul 30, 11:39pm  

NuttBoxer says

mell says


I'm not convinced that seed oils are bad in moderation.


Say that again after reading the link I provided.

I think most if not all are inferior, but it depends on the application and the individual consuming them. If you avoid high heat frying/cooking and work out a ton, the arachidonic acid produced through the oils should benefit you as it aids in producing lean body mass and enhances workouts. For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.
119   RC2006   2023 Jul 31, 9:23am  

I've been using this for the last 6 months. I probably go through a stick of butter every 4 days so I could get away with a covered dish but I think this works better to have soft butter.


120   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Jul 31, 9:38am  

AmericanKulak says

I think McD's used to fry their fries in the grill grease, which is meat fat. Until the 90s, when they switched to vegetable oil.

If you can't make the oil by pressing it, don't use it.


they still do meat fat. it was on news month ago, vegetarians don’t like it.
121   stereotomy   2023 Jul 31, 10:43am  

RE: Veganism

I think I'll start describing eveything I eat as plant based. Veggies - self explanatory. Meat - yes, meat is plant based. The cows eat the grass and clover, happy as clams, and later their meat is harvested containing the maximum nutrients from the plants. Pigs and goats, even chickens for that matter, are omnivores, so to be a dyed in the wool plant-based eater, only ruminants (cows, buffalo, etc.) will satisfy the strict vegan requirements for ultimately plant-based foods.

If they object (really?), how is this worse than chemical factories which produce mystery meat such as fake burgers, etc.? Which would you rather have, a chain of production from farmer to slaughter to your plate, or some unfathomable factory chemical process?

TLDR: Vegans are insane (just like Crazy Eddie, except worse).
122   richwicks   2023 Jul 31, 11:45am  

AmericanKulak says

I think McD's used to fry their fries in the grill grease, which is meat fat. Until the 90s, when they switched to vegetable oil.

If you can't make the oil by pressing it, don't use it.


I'm pretty certain it was originally tallow which is beef fat, it could have been lard which is pig fat, and they couldn't be using the grease from the grill. It comes in these huge blocks you have to melt down. Oil from the grill is too contaminated by bits of meat.

Our "authorities and experts" claimed that hydrogenated soybean oil was "healthier" so that's what we had through the 1990s, until they decided it wasn't healthy.
123   Patrick   2023 Jul 31, 6:06pm  

stereotomy says

Pigs and goats, even chickens for that matter, are omnivores, so to be a dyed in the wool plant-based eater, only ruminants (cows, buffalo, etc.) will satisfy the strict vegan requirements for ultimately plant-based foods.


True, we had chickens and I know that they love to eat insects.
124   Robert Sproul   2023 Jul 31, 6:56pm  

mell says

For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.

Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf
126   stereotomy   2023 Jul 31, 7:03pm  

To all those who wish to eat fully plant-based foods, I recommend the following family farms:

Burgundy Beef
Grandview TX

Wrong Direction Farm
Canajoharie NY

Once grass fed, never back . . .
127   mell   2023 Jul 31, 11:31pm  

Robert Sproul says

mell says


For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.

Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf

Right, but it's mainly because they don't

1) take in enough anti-inflammatory omega 3s for balance

2) don't work out enough at all

Ironically arachidonic acid (which LA is converted into and can be inflammatory) is sold as supplements to athletes and body builders as it enhances output. If you work out and/or are active all day, the omega-6/LA intake should not be a huge problem.
130   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Aug 4, 12:31pm  

One of the corniest things of seen on patnet for a while, well done!
131   gabbar   2023 Aug 4, 1:37pm  

Surprised to find that ingredients in hummus from Costco include canola and safflower oil (seed oils)

132   gabbar   2023 Aug 4, 1:41pm  

Robert Sproul says


I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.

Of these, Dextrose has the highest glycemic index

133   Patrick   2023 Aug 4, 1:44pm  

They do the same name obfuscation with MSG, which is often labeled as "yeast extract" or "natural flavoring".
134   gabbar   2023 Aug 4, 1:47pm  

Safflower oil, a seed oil is used at Chipotle Mexican Grill.
136   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Aug 16, 10:32am  

It's in a lot of pre-made food.
139   Ceffer   2023 Nov 19, 10:19am  

Yup, those in the picture are some of the brightly colored Amazon toxic frogs. The more aggressive, colorful and cartoony the packaging, the more they are designed to create pituitary and metabolic havoc?

I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.
140   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 10:34am  

Patrick says





And the craziest thing is that a majority of the people keep believing what that mysterious group of people commonly referred to as "THEY" tell them.
141   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 10:37am  

Ceffer says

Yup, those in the picture are some of the brightly colored Amazon toxic frogs. The more aggressive, colorful and cartoony the packaging, the more they are designed to create pituitary and metabolic havoc?

I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.

Rule #1 ...avoid the aisles in the supermarket that have those types of packages...go to the perimeter where the "more real" food is. Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?
142   Ceffer   2023 Nov 19, 11:14am  

komputodo says

Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?

They're the 'easy' foods. The nutrition pirates figured out a long time ago that 'convenience' is preferred to common sense and even small amounts of preparation and planning labor.
143   Patrick   2023 Nov 19, 11:18am  

And conversely, I've read that an excellent way to lose weight is simply to make the sugary foods inconvenient. Don't keep them at home.

People somehow will not do even a little work for those snacks. They eat them when they are too easy to get.
144   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:09pm  

Patrick says

Don't keep them at home.

That's what we do. The best thing that happened to us, was Chips, Soda and Snacks inflating 300% during George Bush's gas gouging, then the snack industry not reducing their prices to reflect the reduction in energy costs, that they used as an excuse to raise the prices. I could never bring myself to buy a bag of chips for $5.00, when they used to go for anywhere from 69 cents, to $1.20 just before Bush rigged Oil prices. Then I decided not to drink sugar at all, no sugar in my tea or coffee, and I don't buy soft drinks. This way, I can have an occasional slice of Cheese Cake or Apple Pie and not have to worry about my feet eventually turning purple.

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