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mell
2023 Jul 30, 1:01am
I'm not convinced that seed oils are bad in moderation. Sure canola is bad due to hexane et. al. But omega 6 isn't necessarily bad, it's actually shown that it helps for certain conditions, e.g. borage oils for neurodermitis. It's like with everything quality and amount that matters. That being said, I do believe they are inferior to olive, avocado or coconut oil. So if you consume a lot, better go with the latter.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 30, 2:18am
richwicks
2023 Jul 30, 2:18am
komputodo says
No, I just don't like it. I like bananas fine. I'd say pears and pineapple are the best fruits.
richwicks says
HAHA - all the top recommended are junk foods except for kale and watermelon, both of which I hate.
You must be black. The reason I say this is because the only people I've ever heard that claim that they hate watermelon were blacks when speaking to white folk.
No, I just don't like it. I like bananas fine. I'd say pears and pineapple are the best fruits.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:19pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:19pm
Eric Holder says
I hear you opinion, but it's never been corroborated by a single doctor that I've been to, or any research that I've done. And you're still getting lost in the woods with your friend. Health affects, good or bad, don't end at processing. If I follow the meme rather than your nit-picks, I will be overall healthier. I believe that's the whole point...
The point is obviously not "one seed oil", but rather "olive oil in its refined form is heavily processed too". The meme omits the latter completely and makes it look like olive oil requires no processing.
I hear you opinion, but it's never been corroborated by a single doctor that I've been to, or any research that I've done. And you're still getting lost in the woods with your friend. Health affects, good or bad, don't end at processing. If I follow the meme rather than your nit-picks, I will be overall healthier. I believe that's the whole point...
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:20pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:20pm
RWSGFY says
Wow, you literally just did what you blame the meme for, but your advise will lead to worse health. Again, big picture PLEASE.
Does anybody eat canola seeds? I don't think so. Maybe a good rule of thumb would be if you can eat the seeds the oil is more or less ok, but if you won't eat the seed the oil is probably better be avoided too.
PS. Again we see the limits of memes: just like 140-character tweets they require lengthy clarifications.
Wow, you literally just did what you blame the meme for, but your advise will lead to worse health. Again, big picture PLEASE.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:22pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:22pm
gabbar says
Any sweets, like popcorn, pancakes are good with coconut oil. Or if you are cooking bitter vegetables and need to balance them out.
Coconut oil does give a taste to the food, I didn't like it.
Any sweets, like popcorn, pancakes are good with coconut oil. Or if you are cooking bitter vegetables and need to balance them out.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:23pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 30, 9:23pm
mell says
Say that again after reading the link I provided.
I'm not convinced that seed oils are bad in moderation.
Say that again after reading the link I provided.
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mell
2023 Jul 30, 11:39pm
NuttBoxer says
I think most if not all are inferior, but it depends on the application and the individual consuming them. If you avoid high heat frying/cooking and work out a ton, the arachidonic acid produced through the oils should benefit you as it aids in producing lean body mass and enhances workouts. For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.
mell says
I'm not convinced that seed oils are bad in moderation.
Say that again after reading the link I provided.
I think most if not all are inferior, but it depends on the application and the individual consuming them. If you avoid high heat frying/cooking and work out a ton, the arachidonic acid produced through the oils should benefit you as it aids in producing lean body mass and enhances workouts. For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.
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RC2006
2023 Jul 31, 9:23am
RC2006
2023 Jul 31, 9:23am
I've been using this for the last 6 months. I probably go through a stick of butter every 4 days so I could get away with a covered dish but I think this works better to have soft butter.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2023 Jul 31, 9:38am
AmericanKulak says
they still do meat fat. it was on news month ago, vegetarians don’t like it.
I think McD's used to fry their fries in the grill grease, which is meat fat. Until the 90s, when they switched to vegetable oil.
If you can't make the oil by pressing it, don't use it.
they still do meat fat. it was on news month ago, vegetarians don’t like it.
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stereotomy
2023 Jul 31, 10:43am
stereotomy
2023 Jul 31, 10:43am
RE: Veganism
I think I'll start describing eveything I eat as plant based. Veggies - self explanatory. Meat - yes, meat is plant based. The cows eat the grass and clover, happy as clams, and later their meat is harvested containing the maximum nutrients from the plants. Pigs and goats, even chickens for that matter, are omnivores, so to be a dyed in the wool plant-based eater, only ruminants (cows, buffalo, etc.) will satisfy the strict vegan requirements for ultimately plant-based foods.
If they object (really?), how is this worse than chemical factories which produce mystery meat such as fake burgers, etc.? Which would you rather have, a chain of production from farmer to slaughter to your plate, or some unfathomable factory chemical process?
TLDR: Vegans are insane (just like Crazy Eddie, except worse).
I think I'll start describing eveything I eat as plant based. Veggies - self explanatory. Meat - yes, meat is plant based. The cows eat the grass and clover, happy as clams, and later their meat is harvested containing the maximum nutrients from the plants. Pigs and goats, even chickens for that matter, are omnivores, so to be a dyed in the wool plant-based eater, only ruminants (cows, buffalo, etc.) will satisfy the strict vegan requirements for ultimately plant-based foods.
If they object (really?), how is this worse than chemical factories which produce mystery meat such as fake burgers, etc.? Which would you rather have, a chain of production from farmer to slaughter to your plate, or some unfathomable factory chemical process?
TLDR: Vegans are insane (just like Crazy Eddie, except worse).
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richwicks
2023 Jul 31, 11:45am
richwicks
2023 Jul 31, 11:45am
AmericanKulak says
I'm pretty certain it was originally tallow which is beef fat, it could have been lard which is pig fat, and they couldn't be using the grease from the grill. It comes in these huge blocks you have to melt down. Oil from the grill is too contaminated by bits of meat.
Our "authorities and experts" claimed that hydrogenated soybean oil was "healthier" so that's what we had through the 1990s, until they decided it wasn't healthy.
I think McD's used to fry their fries in the grill grease, which is meat fat. Until the 90s, when they switched to vegetable oil.
If you can't make the oil by pressing it, don't use it.
I'm pretty certain it was originally tallow which is beef fat, it could have been lard which is pig fat, and they couldn't be using the grease from the grill. It comes in these huge blocks you have to melt down. Oil from the grill is too contaminated by bits of meat.
Our "authorities and experts" claimed that hydrogenated soybean oil was "healthier" so that's what we had through the 1990s, until they decided it wasn't healthy.
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Patrick
2023 Jul 31, 6:06pm
Patrick
2023 Jul 31, 6:06pm
stereotomy says
True, we had chickens and I know that they love to eat insects.
Pigs and goats, even chickens for that matter, are omnivores, so to be a dyed in the wool plant-based eater, only ruminants (cows, buffalo, etc.) will satisfy the strict vegan requirements for ultimately plant-based foods.
True, we had chickens and I know that they love to eat insects.
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Robert Sproul
2023 Jul 31, 6:56pm
mell says
Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf
For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.
Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf
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stereotomy
2023 Jul 31, 7:03pm
stereotomy
2023 Jul 31, 7:03pm
To all those who wish to eat fully plant-based foods, I recommend the following family farms:
Burgundy Beef
Grandview TX
Wrong Direction Farm
Canajoharie NY
Once grass fed, never back . . .
Burgundy Beef
Grandview TX
Wrong Direction Farm
Canajoharie NY
Once grass fed, never back . . .
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mell
2023 Jul 31, 11:31pm
Robert Sproul says
Right, but it's mainly because they don't
1) take in enough anti-inflammatory omega 3s for balance
2) don't work out enough at all
Ironically arachidonic acid (which LA is converted into and can be inflammatory) is sold as supplements to athletes and body builders as it enhances output. If you work out and/or are active all day, the omega-6/LA intake should not be a huge problem.
mell says
For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.
Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf
Right, but it's mainly because they don't
1) take in enough anti-inflammatory omega 3s for balance
2) don't work out enough at all
Ironically arachidonic acid (which LA is converted into and can be inflammatory) is sold as supplements to athletes and body builders as it enhances output. If you work out and/or are active all day, the omega-6/LA intake should not be a huge problem.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Aug 4, 12:31pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Aug 4, 12:31pm
One of the corniest things of seen on patnet for a while, well done!
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gabbar
2023 Aug 4, 1:37pm
gabbar
2023 Aug 4, 1:37pm
Surprised to find that ingredients in hummus from Costco include canola and safflower oil (seed oils)
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gabbar
2023 Aug 4, 1:41pm
gabbar
2023 Aug 4, 1:41pm
Robert Sproul says
Of these, Dextrose has the highest glycemic index
I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
Of these, Dextrose has the highest glycemic index
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Patrick
2023 Aug 4, 1:44pm
Patrick
2023 Aug 4, 1:44pm
They do the same name obfuscation with MSG, which is often labeled as "yeast extract" or "natural flavoring".
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Ceffer
2023 Nov 19, 10:19am
Ceffer
2023 Nov 19, 10:19am
Yup, those in the picture are some of the brightly colored Amazon toxic frogs. The more aggressive, colorful and cartoony the packaging, the more they are designed to create pituitary and metabolic havoc?
I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.
I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.
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komputodo
2023 Nov 19, 10:34am
komputodo
2023 Nov 19, 10:34am
Patrick says
And the craziest thing is that a majority of the people keep believing what that mysterious group of people commonly referred to as "THEY" tell them.
And the craziest thing is that a majority of the people keep believing what that mysterious group of people commonly referred to as "THEY" tell them.
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komputodo
2023 Nov 19, 10:37am
komputodo
2023 Nov 19, 10:37am
Ceffer says
Rule #1 ...avoid the aisles in the supermarket that have those types of packages...go to the perimeter where the "more real" food is. Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?
Yup, those in the picture are some of the brightly colored Amazon toxic frogs. The more aggressive, colorful and cartoony the packaging, the more they are designed to create pituitary and metabolic havoc?
I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.
Rule #1 ...avoid the aisles in the supermarket that have those types of packages...go to the perimeter where the "more real" food is. Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?
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Ceffer
2023 Nov 19, 11:14am
Ceffer
2023 Nov 19, 11:14am
komputodo says
They're the 'easy' foods. The nutrition pirates figured out a long time ago that 'convenience' is preferred to common sense and even small amounts of preparation and planning labor.
Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?
They're the 'easy' foods. The nutrition pirates figured out a long time ago that 'convenience' is preferred to common sense and even small amounts of preparation and planning labor.
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Patrick
2023 Nov 19, 11:18am
Patrick
2023 Nov 19, 11:18am
And conversely, I've read that an excellent way to lose weight is simply to make the sugary foods inconvenient. Don't keep them at home.
People somehow will not do even a little work for those snacks. They eat them when they are too easy to get.
People somehow will not do even a little work for those snacks. They eat them when they are too easy to get.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 19, 12:09pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 19, 12:09pm
Patrick says
That's what we do. The best thing that happened to us, was Chips, Soda and Snacks inflating 300% during George Bush's gas gouging, then the snack industry not reducing their prices to reflect the reduction in energy costs, that they used as an excuse to raise the prices. I could never bring myself to buy a bag of chips for $5.00, when they used to go for anywhere from 69 cents, to $1.20 just before Bush rigged Oil prices. Then I decided not to drink sugar at all, no sugar in my tea or coffee, and I don't buy soft drinks. This way, I can have an occasional slice of Cheese Cake or Apple Pie and not have to worry about my feet eventually turning purple.
Don't keep them at home.
That's what we do. The best thing that happened to us, was Chips, Soda and Snacks inflating 300% during George Bush's gas gouging, then the snack industry not reducing their prices to reflect the reduction in energy costs, that they used as an excuse to raise the prices. I could never bring myself to buy a bag of chips for $5.00, when they used to go for anywhere from 69 cents, to $1.20 just before Bush rigged Oil prices. Then I decided not to drink sugar at all, no sugar in my tea or coffee, and I don't buy soft drinks. This way, I can have an occasional slice of Cheese Cake or Apple Pie and not have to worry about my feet eventually turning purple.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 19, 12:13pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 19, 12:13pm
Lil Debbie snack cakes used to be my guilty pleasure. Of course they were edible back then. The last times I tried to buy and eat them, I threw the unneatened box and the snack cake with a bite out of it, in the trash. You can just taste the industrial ooze that is required to shove it through the automation plumbing, and anticoagulants, stabilizers, thickeners, artificial fats and what all. They over power any wholesome ingredients like flour, egg, dairy and sugar, to the point those are just faint hints and overtones. blech!!! The same with Pentridge farm products. My wife used to enjoy the Milan Cookies and I liked the Chess cookies. Not any more, they are worse than Lil Debbie in the toxic sludge vibe.
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SoTex
2023 Nov 19, 12:16pm
SoTex
2023 Nov 19, 12:16pm
Have you ever gotten your fingers sticky from a sugary treat? Well, that's exactly what it does to your insides. I'm gums up your cells if you eat too much of it.
One example: you've got 4 'seats' in your red blood cells where oxygen is supposed to adhere to but too much sugar gums up those seats so it doesn't happen.
That's how an A1C test works. It checks your blood cells to see how gummed up they are and gives a good estimate of how much sugar you ate the prior 4 months or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycation
One example: you've got 4 'seats' in your red blood cells where oxygen is supposed to adhere to but too much sugar gums up those seats so it doesn't happen.
That's how an A1C test works. It checks your blood cells to see how gummed up they are and gives a good estimate of how much sugar you ate the prior 4 months or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycation
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 19, 12:17pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 19, 12:17pm
The straw that broke the camels back for me on soda, was the Throwback series of soft drinks Pepsi put out about 15 years ago.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.
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SoTex
2023 Nov 19, 12:19pm
SoTex
2023 Nov 19, 12:19pm
I make a big stink about that fact that I'm about to drink a coke at family events like Thanksgiving. I explain that I drink waaaay more beer than soda.
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AD
2023 Nov 19, 12:59pm
AD
2023 Nov 19, 12:59pm
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My primary care doctor has emphasized to use olive oil and stevia, instead of corn oil and sugar.
Also said to drink more water with lemon, as that is very healthy for the liver and kidneys. He said black or green tea with honey is very high in antioxidants also.
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My primary care doctor has emphasized to use olive oil and stevia, instead of corn oil and sugar.
Also said to drink more water with lemon, as that is very healthy for the liver and kidneys. He said black or green tea with honey is very high in antioxidants also.
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ElYorsh
2023 Nov 19, 1:07pm
Tenpoundbass says
I tasted the difference when in the mid 2000's when my local Costcos started selling Coca Cola from México. It didn't have the chemical aftertaste that Coke from the USA does with HFCS
The straw that broke the camels back for me on soda, was the Throwback series of soft drinks Pepsi put out about 15 years ago.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.
I tasted the difference when in the mid 2000's when my local Costcos started selling Coca Cola from México. It didn't have the chemical aftertaste that Coke from the USA does with HFCS
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komputodo
2023 Nov 19, 1:19pm
komputodo
2023 Nov 19, 1:19pm
Tenpoundbass says
Lil' debbie products will completely mess up my digestive system. Also those canned biscuits and certain frozen self rising pizzas like Digiorno and Freschetta. So I agree with you. I don't think that they can be categorized as food.
Tenpoundbass says
did you mean PEPPERIDGE FARM?
Lil Debbie snack cakes used to be my guilty pleasure.
Lil' debbie products will completely mess up my digestive system. Also those canned biscuits and certain frozen self rising pizzas like Digiorno and Freschetta. So I agree with you. I don't think that they can be categorized as food.
Tenpoundbass says
The same with Pentridge farm products.
did you mean PEPPERIDGE FARM?
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Which of them are worth avoiding entirely?
Here are the fats and oils I think are bad:
- margarine (which is just canola and other crap oils hardened to make them stick in your arteries better)
- canola oil
- cottonseed oil (especially bad)
- palm kernel oil
I'm undecided about these:
- soybean oil
- sunflower seed oil
- avocado oil
- coconut oil
- peanut oil
I'm sure these are pretty good for you:
- olive oil
- butter
- lard (yes, I think lard is OK to eat)