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Macron Floats Troops in Ukraine for First Time, Moscow Warns of ‘Inevitable’ War with NATO

Discussion of sending NATO troops into Ukraine itself has suddenly broken into the open for the first time, prompting Russia to warn that “a direct military conflict between NATO and Russia will be inevitable” if Western troops became engaged.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg issued a denial that the alliance was planning to send troops to fight in Ukraine on Tuesday morning, following 24 hours of public discussion among member states on the move, which also triggered a dark threat from Moscow about their response to any such deployment.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/02/27/wwiii-watch-macron-floats-troops-in-ukraine-for-first-time-moscow-warns-of-inevitable-war-with-nato/

RayAmerica says

Macron Floats Troops in Ukraine for First Time, Moscow Warns of ‘Inevitable’ War with NATO

Macron put under pressure by Biden's deep state to release this trial balloon about NATO troops in Ukraine.

Or Macron could have done this as a preemptive push against Biden's deep state trying to behind-the-scenes promote this, almost in the same sense as the CIA sites in Ukraine. Macron is savvy as far as this type of Machiavelli behavior.

I read that the German government quickly shot it down.

AD says

RayAmerica says

Macron Floats Troops in Ukraine for First Time, Moscow Warns of ‘Inevitable’ War with NATO

Macron put under pressure by Biden's deep state to release this trial balloon about NATO troops in Ukraine.

Or Macron could have done this as a preemptive push against Biden's deep state trying to behind-the-scenes promote this, almost in the same sense as the CIA sites in Ukraine. Macron is savvy as far as this type of Machiavelli behavior.

I read that the German government quickly shot it down.

This is just gaslighting BS to scare voters into pressuring the GOP to cave for more money to Ukraine 'so our boys & trans girls' won't have to fight. Schumer was tooting this BS last month as well, renember?

I think he is just trying to threaten the peasant uprising he's got going on.

He's gonna lose power and he is losing his mind because of his self-made fuck-ups.

AD says

I read that the German government quickly shot it down.

Yes, I suppose the Germans had had their fill of Russian troops in their capital.

Aren't you glad that Crazy Biden and the Neo-Cons have our backs covered?

Putin Issues (Another) WWIII Warning: Put Western Troops in Ukraine and Get Global Nuclear War in Return



Put Western troops on the ground in Ukraine and get a global nuclear war in return. That was the clear threat issued Thursday by Russian President Vladimir Putin as he told the West to keep out of the fight between Moscow and Kyiv.

AP reports he spoke in a state-of-the-nation address ahead of next month’s election he’s all but certain to win, underlining his readiness to hold Russian gains in Ukraine at any cost.

In a thinly veiled reference to French President Emmanuel Macron’s statement earlier this week that the future deployment of Western ground troops to Ukraine is possible, Putin warned it would lead to “tragic” consequences for the countries who decide to do that, repeating earlier threats of igniting global nuclear conflagration.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/02/29/putin-issues-another-wwiii-warning-put-western-troops-in-ukraine-and-get-global-nuclear-war-in-return/

But why would we consider putting our own troops on the ground in Ukey Naziland? We were constantly told that the Ukey Nazis were winning!

UkraineIsFucked says

derp, derp... Ukey Naziland? .... derp, derp... Nazis...

Oh, we finally have proof of Nazi being in charge there on the second anniversary of the Great Christian Buryat-Mongol SCHMO? Who are they? Couldn't be these Azov fighters who were accused of Nazi crimes, were supposed to be put on trial and Hitler portraits tattoed on their butts finally exposed for the world to see .... and then quietly returned home. Who else?

RWSGFY says

Oh, we finally have proof of Nazi being in charge there on the second anniversary of the Great Christian Buryat-Mongol SCHMO? Who are they? Couldn't be these Azov fighters who were accused of Nazi crimes, were supposed to be put on trial and Hitler portraits tattoed on their butts finally exposed for the world to see .... and then quietly returned home. Who else?

What planet you live on?

Banderites = Nazis

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I wonder if this is in response to Macron putting out that trial balloon about deploying troops in Ukraine.

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https://www.the-sun.com/news/10533652/putin-state-nation-invasion-election/

VLAD'S RED BUTTON Putin threatens to NUKE the West after accusing Nato of planning to strike Russia in rambling speech
Putin boasted how Russia has weapons that 'could defeat them [the West] on their own territory'

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AD says

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I wonder if this is in response to Macron putting out that trial balloon about deploying troops in Ukraine.

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https://www.the-sun.com/news/10533652/putin-state-nation-invasion-election/

VLAD'S RED BUTTON Putin threatens to NUKE the West after accusing Nato of planning to strike Russia in rambling speech
Putin boasted how Russia has weapons that 'could defeat them [the West] on their own territory'

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There's a lot they can do to us w/o nukes. Submarine launched cruise missile delivered EMP (yes, you don't need to detonate a nuke high in orbit to create a wide area EMP) attacks on our cities, for example. Technically, they won't kill anyone directly.

Or embedded Spetznatz teams that blow key bridges across the Mississippi. I once read that there is just three crossings that 70% of US transcontinental freight use, for example.

Or sabotage just a few refineries. Esp in California and Hawaii.

It is not that hard to cripple us badly and in ways that will make Pearl Harbor look like child's play.

Every example I just gave except for the EMP non-state perpetrators can pull off on a budget financed by credit cards, for crying out loud.

UkraineIsFucked says

It is not that hard to cripple us badly and in ways that will make Pearl Harbor look like child's play.

Every example I just gave except for the EMP non-state perpetrators can pull off on a budget financed by credit cards, for crying out loud.

Yet - Russia still hasn't been able to cripple their much smaller and weaker next door neighbor....

UkraineIsFucked says

There's a lot they can do to us w/o nukes. Submarine launched cruise missile delivered EMP (yes, you don't need to detonate a nuke high in orbit to create a wide area EMP) attacks on our cities, for example. Technically, they won't kill anyone directly.

Or embedded Spetznatz teams that blow key bridges across the Mississippi. I once read that there is just three crossings that 70% of US transcontinental freight use, for example.

Or sabotage just a few refineries. Esp in California and Hawaii.

It is not that hard to cripple us badly and in ways that will make Pearl Harbor look like child's play.

Every example I just gave except for the EMP non-state perpetrators can pull off on a budget financed by credit cards, for crying out loud.

Yes, also start fires such as in Texas panhandle and near a nuclear weapons manufacturing facility.

Lets hope the drought map does not show a lot of drought areas this summer

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socal2 says

Yet - Russia still hasn't been able to cripple their much smaller and weaker next door neighbor....

Riight. Just 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers have 'disappeared' and large swaths of the country do not have electricity.

RayAmerica says

"Putin Issues (Another) WWIII Warning..."

From the link: "Nuclear Threat: Russia Will Drop ‘Entire Arsenal’ on London, Washington if it Doesn’t Win Ukraine War"

If?

What If? There is no if here because Russia defeated NATO and the Nazi Globalists in Ukraine!

Frankly there is no if because in Ukraine Russia handed the neoCon Globalists their head in a platter and as a result the Unipolar era is dead.

The_Deplorable says

RayAmerica says

"Putin Issues (Another) WWIII Warning..."

From the link: "Nuclear Threat: Russia Will Drop ‘Entire Arsenal’ on London, Washington if it Doesn’t Win Ukraine War"

If?

What If? There is no if here because Russia defeated NATO and the Nazi Globalists in Ukraine!

Frankly there is no if because in Ukraine Russia handed the neoCon Globalists their head in a platter and as a result the Unipolar era is dead.

Both have lost. Ukraine the pawn. Russia has non-functional nukes. It's as obvious as can be. They can't demolish their neighbor. They could have used nukes. They can't and won't. Even their artillery is shit. Ukraine is trashed and Russia looks gay. As the West backs out funding this will be obvious. This should have been 2 weeks max. Not years...

AmericanKulak says

"Lied about Pearl Harbor" - Uh, Vals from multiple IJN Carriers didn't descend on Pearl Harbor and dive bomb ships at anchor?

Pearl Harbor was not a surprise attack. A Japanese spy sub was sunk hours before the bombing, the (main) fleet was deployed on maneuvers to keep them safe, there were radio intercepts - there wasn't radio silence by the Japanese, and the "day of infamy" happened with the help of the highest levels of the US government.

AmericanKulak says

The Kaiser paid saboteurs to put bombs on US Shipping, blow up a Nitrate storage facility at Black Tom, paid Mexican bandits to raid over the US border, and sank our neutral ships that have a right to sell donkeys and grain to whomever we damned feel like as a sovereign state with Freedom of the Seas.

It's very possible, even very likely.

But our own institutions would do this as well. We cannot know.

AmericanKulak says

We have to take a 2-3% GDP wallop because the Kaiser doesn't want us selling to our top 3 trade partners because HE is at war with them? Fuck outta here.

That's probably why the criminals controlling the US at the time manufactured an excuse to start the war, that was Pearl Harbor. They did everything they could do to provoke Japan.

The US is provoking Russia for the same reason, they need a war to blame the problems THEY CAUSED on somebody else. "Duh, it's the Putin Price Hike!" On top of that, the offense industry benefits, and criminals that are bribed in our government make a killing as well.

You have to start thinking like a sociopath to understand them.

AmericanKulak says

Saddam invaded Kuwait. We never gave "permission".

April Glaspie was US ambassador at the time, SHE gave him the go-ahead by saying that the US would not take sides:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie#Meetings_with_Saddam_Hussein

Go look at the transcripts. They were disputed at the time, but finally she just resigned and disappeared. The US wanted that war and they got it.

And why do you care about Kuwait anyhow? When is the last time the US "news" talked about Kuwait? Just WHAT are they to us? Saudi Arabia attacked Yemen and Somalia, was that all over the news? Nope. The US has been helping to bomb them though.

AmericanKulak says

No 82nd Airborne or 24th Mech Inf was ever sent to Syria. Trump cleaned up ISIS in weeks by simply allowing A-10s to BRRRRRt the fuck out of ISIS tanker trucks going into Turkey.

Got no idea who was sent, but people were sent. ISIS (or somebody like them) were likely the ones that did the chemical attack in Ghouta. There was no chemical attack in Douma, that was fabricated. Two whisteblowers from the OPCW came forward to demonstrate that beyond a shadow of a doubt. ISIS was funded by Israel and the United States. Well, at least the US armed ISIS, they got their weapons supposedly by "raiding" Iraqi bases. You try to steal some shit from a US military base, nice knowing ya if you try. Just the stupidity of US propaganda is so frustrating people believe it.

AmericanKulak says

The Gulf of Tonkin was fog of war shit, but it's also true that the Soviets were dumping a shitload of weapons into North Vietnam. You know, this thing called a Cold War where the two sides reacted to each other out whenever one made a move.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened. It possibly could have been a mistake, but if the US didn't go into Vietnam, there'd just be a lot more people there. China wasn't going to take over Vietnam or Cambodia, and they still haven't. Every US servicemen that died in that war, died for nothing other than making money for offense contractors.

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

The First Iraq War didn't involve Saddam invading Kuwait and raiding into Saudi Arabia and launching missiles at neutral countries?

WE PROVOKED HIM!!!

No we didn't. We told him we would do nothing if he did.

We also funded him and gave him weapons of mass destruction from 1980 to 1988 when Iraq was at war with Iran. The US lost control of Iran in 1979 as a result of the Iranian Revolution and the Iranian Hostage Crisis (of spies), and they gained control of Iran by overthrowing their government in 1953 to install a dictator puppet who is who the Shah was.

AmericanKulak says

The Biden administration has pressed Israel to delay its imminent invasion of Gaza to allow for the release of more hostages held by Hamas and for aid to reach Gaza, according to two sources briefed on the discussions.

No.

Israel needs an excuse to keep bombing Gaza, and those are the hostages. Israel has been offered the hostages back for relatively trifling requests like a ceasefire for TWO DAYS. There's the Hannibal Directive in effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

The hostages are as good as dead.

Somebody posted this elsewhere, but watch the strange reciprocity between attacks on infrastructure in Russia, and "accidents" a few weeks later in the USA.

Germany Appears to Have Inadvertently Revealed the UK and France have Soldiers in Ukraine

German Chancellor Scholz stands accused of handing Russia a propaganda coup in order to smooth over his own political difficulties as he claims the presence of British and French soldiers aiding Ukrainian forces.

Scholz has been accused of abusing intelligence and being a bad ally by angry NATO politicians after his remarks about the level of involvement he claims there is of the British and French in the deployment of the Storm Shadow / SCALP cruise missiles they have given to Ukraine, and which have been deployed with devastating effect.

Ukraine continues to demand Germany hand over its stock of Taurus bunker-buster cruise missiles to help it fight Russia. Indeed, the powerful and long-range weapon which Berlin has proven resistant to supply has been the subject of debate in Germany dragging on now for several months. Chancellor Olaf Scholz insists providing the weapon, which has the endurance to strike deep into Russian areas would represent an irresponsible escalation of the war and make Germany a party to the conflict in a way its previous donations of weapon systems and ammunition had not.

Answering questions on the subject again this week, Chancellor Scholz developed his reasoning for refusing the weapon by stating it was of such complexity there would necessarily have to be German soldiers present in Ukraine to program and set up the weapon before it could be fired. Scholz said this week: “What is being done in the way of target control and accompanying target control on the part of the British and the French can’t be done in Germany. Everyone who has dealt with this system knows that”.

Indeed, he doubled down on this on Friday: “I will not support any decision that would somehow involve German soldiers in a military operation related to Russia’s terrible war against Ukraine”.

Scholz saying British and French troops are active inside Ukraine in this more active way — helping Ukrainians to program and target individual missiles — is a considerable step beyond this minor embassy protection role. Figures from the United Kingdom and within Germany itself have lashed out at Scholz for, it is alleged, throwing his allies under the bus to try and diffuse domestic political tension over his own issues.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/03/01/germany-inadvertently-reveals-the-uk-has-soldiers-in-ukraine/

Green Party of Germany is behind Scholtz's move.

Ukraine’s Starting to Get Dangerous by James Rickards

A lot of people seem to have forgotten about the war in Ukraine. That’s a mistake.

Russia is slowly but steadily defeating Ukraine, which is becoming increasingly obvious to everyone except the most anti-Russian diehards.

That’s leading to desperation in elite Western circles determined to stop Russia one way or the other. In their minds, they simply can’t let Putin win. They think that if Putin wins in Ukraine, he’ll next move on to the Baltic states, Poland and elsewhere.

You know the West is getting desperate based on recent threats by France’s Emmanuel Macron to send troops to Ukraine.

The vice president of the Russia Duma, Pyotr Tolstoy (descendant of the great Russian writer Leo Tolstoy), warned that French troops would be priority targets for Russian forces if they entered Ukraine.

Even though France would send troops independent of NATO, that puts us on a very dangerous path that ultimately leads to direct conflict between NATO and Russia. And that path ends in nuclear war ultimately.

Tolstoy added that it would take “just two minutes to nuke Paris.” It’s not hard to envision how quickly things could escalate if France decided to send troops to Ukraine.

More Escalation

Meanwhile, NATO is preparing to send F-16s to Ukraine. Airfields in Ukraine are highly vulnerable to Russian attack, especially since Ukraine’s air defenses are heavily depleted at this point and the Russian air force is becoming increasingly active in Ukraine.

But if NATO allows the F-16s to be based on its own airbases, Putin has warned that these airfields would become a “legitimate target” if strikes against Russian forces were launched from them.

By the way, Russia has hypersonic missiles that NATO has no practical ability to shoot down, so these attacks would likely be successful. Of course, NATO would have to retaliate in kind. You can imagine where all this could lead.

We’re already well along the escalation ladder. And the higher you go, the more face you stand to lose if you back down. I warned about that from the outset of the war.

But the entire notion that Russia poses some existential threat to NATO or Europe is absurd.

Putin Has Nothing to Gain and Everything to Lose

First off, the theory that Putin will invade other countries if he wins in Ukraine is nonsense. The Russian army lacks the men and materiel to occupy Ukraine while simultaneously invading other countries.

This isn’t the Soviet Union with its massive tank armies poised to roll over Western Europe. And Soviet communism is long dead, so there’s no ideological basis for Russia to invade Europe. These days Russia is a conservative, Orthodox Christian nation.

But more importantly, Putin has absolutely no incentive to invade any of these nations, which are NATO members. What do they have that he wants?

All it would do is trigger Article 5 of the NATO Charter, which stipulates that an attack on one member is an attack on all, inviting a massive NATO response. At that point, you’re on the fast track to nuclear war.

Putin is fully aware of that.

Fearmongers like to point to what Putin once said in a speech: “Whoever doesn’t miss the Soviet Union doesn’t have a heart.”

They take that as proof that he wants to recreate the Soviet Union. But they conveniently omit what he said next:

“Whoever wants it back doesn’t have a brain.”

Whatever you think of Putin, he definitely has a brain. He has no intention to restore the Soviet Union.

More here:https://dailyreckoning.com/ukraines-starting-to-get-dangerous/

RayAmerica says

First off, the theory that Putin will invade other countries if he wins in Ukraine is nonsense. The Russian army lacks the men and materiel to occupy Ukraine while simultaneously invading other countries.

I wish you all would make up your minds.

You all have been telling us for 3 years that Russia is so strong and dangerous that the West risks WWIII by supporting Ukraine to defend their sovereign borders against Russia's illegal invasion.

In reality, Russia's military is totally fucking pathetic and are stuck in a total quagmire where the front lines have barely moved at all in 2+ years despite 10's of thousands of dead Russians.

Reading all the mershemeiers of this world one soon learns that USSR is simultaneously so stronk that any resistance is futile and also so weak it can fall apart any moment, shedding nuclear weapons into the hands of terrorists uncontrollably.

We also learn that America is about to go bankrupt because it spent of 5% of its defence budget in 2 years and simultaneously that Soviets can totally afford spending 40% of their entire budget on the war indefinitely w/o any ill effects on them.

But the conclusion is always the same: we all must surrender to the Soviets and fulfill all their delusional imperial dreams, no matter what international laws and treaties say.

Clown world.

socal2 says

You all have been telling us for 3 years that Russia is so strong and dangerous that the West risks WWIII by supporting Ukraine to defend their sovereign borders against Russia's illegal invasion.

In reality, Russia's military is totally fucking pathetic and are stuck in a total quagmire where the front lines have barely moved at all in 2+ years despite 10's of thousands of dead Russians.

^^^ retarded. Russia has been fighting a war of attrition. And now that the Ukey soldiers have been slaughtered en masse, the Russians are advancing 5-8 miles per day along the entire front.

But socal2 can't admit to any of that because that would also force him to admit he's been trolling us with complete bulkshit for the past 2+ years.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

^^^ retarded. Russia has been fighting a war of attrition. And now that the Ukey soldiers have been slaughtered en masse, the Russians are advancing 5-8 miles per day along the entire front.

But socal2 can't admit to any of that because that would also force him to admit he's been trolling us with complete bulkshit for the past 2+ years.

It's a zero sum game. No one is going to "win" is the point I've been making. This has another decade to go. Potentially longer. There's been fighting for a long time. Russia took Crimea. Ukraine just sat there and took it? There's been conflict for a good decade. Russia just announced it 3 years ago is all. And yes it is a war of attrition.

Knowing the ethnicities and personalities, this will easily be a 20-30 year war. The only caveat is if Ukraine can strike Russia proper and disrupt oil and gas. Even then I see this turning into a Korean war type situation. No winner. Still officially at war with pauses in combat.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

the Russians are advancing 5-8 miles per day along the entire front.

If that was even remotely true, Russia would be knocking on Kiev's doorstep in about 2 weeks.

It is one thing to say Ukraine can't "win" (i.e. push all Russian forces out of Ukraine).

But why must you make hyperbolic and foolish statements like the one above that are so provably false making you look utterly retarded? I don't think Russia has advanced 5 miles in a single day at a single point since the initial invasion 3 years ago. Let alone advancing 5-8 miles on the entire front.

Do you think we are retarded and can't look at the battle map which has shown basically the same trench lines for over 2 years despite Russia's latest "winter offensive" throwing tens of thousands of young Russian men into the meat grinder?


https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375

WookieMan says

Knowing the ethnicities and personalities, this will easily be a 20-30 year war.

Russia's only chance of a "win" was to decapitate the leadership in Kiev in the first month of the war.

The drunk, corrupt and incompetent Russian military failed to achieve their Blitzkrieg - and are now stuck in a grinding stalemate fighting against entrenched defenders who are taking out multi-million dollar Russian tanks with $1,000 drones.

socal2 says

The drunk, corrupt and incompetent Russian military failed to achieve their Blitzkrieg - and are now stuck in a grinding stalemate fighting against entrenched defenders who are taking out multi-million dollar Russian tanks with $1,000 drones.

Do you honestly believe that if Russia wanted to wipe Kiev off of the map they couldn't have done that? Really? Obviously, that was never their objective.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Knowing the ethnicities and personalities, this will easily be a 20-30 year war.

Russia's only chance of a "win" was to decapitate the leadership in Kiev in the first month of the war.

The drunk, corrupt and incompetent Russian military failed to achieve their Blitzkrieg - and are now stuck in a grinding stalemate fighting against entrenched defenders who are taking out multi-million dollar Russian tanks with $1,000 drones.

For sure hasn't gone the way Russia wanted it. This is a bar fight. It's still inside at this point. No one has taken it outside yet. Once western aid goes away it goes outside and the gloves come off. That might take a decade. Either way there will be no winner is my point.

The bridge to Crimea is going at some point in a big way. The first attack on it will look like child's play. Ukraine will take out multiple support columns. I think it happens before June/July. If they cut that off they can focus the front in different areas. I ultimately don't have a pony in this race, just predicting what I think is coming.

Cut off the southern supply and Russia only can attack Westward on the border and cannot reenforce southern troops. That bridge is coming down. Hence why I say this will be another decade at least. If Ukraine can collapse sizable portions of the bridge they can attack construction crews trying to rebuild it with basic drones. Then work to cut off Crimea from land access. That's about the only way they could "win" in the long run. That bridge needs to go.

The Zelensky government needs to step up their kidnapping efforts if their much vaunted army is going to be properly manned for the upcoming 'Spring Offensive.' Last year's offensive was, by all accounts, a complete disaster. But hey, maybe the latest kidnapped crop of "I don't want to fight" young boys, old men and women will turn the tide? Maybe even some of them can fly those F-16s that we've sent them?

Ukrainian military leaders know they can't win on battlefield – Guardian

Their army’s weakness has prompted Kiev’s strikes on Russian infrastructure, senior officers have allegedly told the London newspaper

Ukraine has no other option but to launch attacks inside Russia, including on its oil infrastructure, because its army faces continued setbacks on the battlefield, The Guardian has reported, citing the leadership of the country's military intelligence service, the GUR.

Officers who allegedly spoke to the British newspaper were candid about Kiev’s desperate military situation. GUR Brigadier-General Dmitry Timkov said his country was like a patient on life support.

”We are attached to a drip. We have enough drugs to stay alive. But, if the West wants us to win, we need the full treatment,” he admitted, referring to the dwindling quantities of military aid coming from Kiev's western backers.

Major General Vadim Skibitsky, the deputy head of the GUR, admitted that a Ukrainian victory, widely promised by Kiev, is impossible at the moment. Facing multiple setbacks, the agency had “no choice” but to launch strikes deep inside Russia. He described this as a “NATO-standard procedure, known as center of gravity, or COG.”

More here: https://www.rt.com/russia/595341-ukraine-gur-attacks-guardian/

PS: No surprise at all. Everyone with even half of a brain knows that Ukraine never had a chance to defeat Russia ... as in NEVER.

RayAmerica says

Do you honestly believe that if Russia wanted to wipe Kiev off of the map they couldn't have done that? Really? Obviously, that was never their objective.

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

Face it, Russia expected another 2 week victory like they had in Crimea and Georgia and now they are trapped in a brutal slog, and Putin is throwing everything he can at the front line with little gains to justify his total cockup of a war.

People are on crack if they truly believe if this was all part of Russia's plan.

Not a chance in hell Putin expected to be where he is today 3 years later with so little to show.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Every example I just gave except for the EMP non-state perpetrators can pull off on a budget financed by credit cards, for crying out loud.

yep. Richmond, Benicia, And Martinez all have big refineries with lots of flammable stuff.

socal2 says

Yet - Russia still hasn't been able to cripple their much smaller and weaker next door neighbor....

Then why are Ukey propaganda outlets like the Kyiv Independent screaming otherwise?

socal2 says

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

I think Russia knows this is a war of attrition and will fight it that way, that means to drag it out as long as possible to deplete resources. This is what the United States wanted incorrectly believing this would lead to the destruction of Russia, due to incompetence in our State Department which we've had ever since the Neocons took over.

I HIGHLY doubt 300,000 Russians have been killed in this conflict. Perhaps as many as 30,000. I wouldn't be surprised that 300,000 Ukrainians have been killed which would explain why the average age of a fighter is in their mid 40's, and women are being recruited and slaughtered.

Once this war is finished, if the shitheads that run our foreign policy now are still in power, they will just start another war. Perhaps in Georgia, they may have recently tried in Kazakhstan (remember that?), they'll do it somewhere. By fighting this war slowly, and by utterly destroying Ukraine and driving it into the worst poverty imaginable which they WILL EXPERIENCE, border states of Russia MIGHT not be able to be convinced to get their entire population killed, and drive their entire nation into poverty to fight a war they have no hope of winning because the US promises they have your back, when they don't.

Depends if they have a traitor in power like Zelenskyy who won't only just follow stupid orders from the traitors in our state department, but will have enough power over their country to get them all to commit national suicide.

socal2 says

Face it, Russia expected another 2 week victory like they had in Crimea and Georgia and now they are trapped in a brutal slog, and Putin is throwing everything he can at the front line with little gains to justify his total cockup of a war.

That's silly. If Putin was "throwing everything he can" into this war, Kiev would have been bombed and Zelenskyy would be dead.

socal2 says

Not a chance in hell Putin expected to be where he is today 3 years later with so little to show.

I disagree. Putin began this war realizing he was fighting a proxy war with the United States. It wasn't Russia claiming they were going to win any moment, it was the US propaganda machine claiming that Russia said this. Our media just lied about what Russia expected. It always lies about every war, in the stupidest, dumbest ways, and if you can't see this now, you just can't see at all.

socal2 says

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

Keeps making the 300,000 lie. Then when called out on it, he deflects with "what do you think the figure is"...as if opinions trump facts.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

socal2 says

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

Keeps making the 300,000 lie. Then when called out on it, he deflects with "what do you think the figure is"...as if opinions trump facts.

The figure I hear bandied about is 30,000 - 40,000 Russian dead, more than 250,000 Ukrainians dead, but there's no way to know. Nobody talking about this conflict has reliable information, or if they do, their government tells them to lie, and they do.

richwicks says

That's silly. If Putin was "throwing everything he can" into this war, Kiev would have been bombed and Zelenskyy would be dead.

Huh? Russia does not have the ability to bomb Kiev as their jets would be shot down. Instead, Russia has been impotently launching missiles and rockets into Kiev the last 3 years.