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If the OEM car manufacturers don’t feel the pressure from EVs, why are they building EVs, while losing money on each EV they produce, and not sticking with their ICE business model?

I guess you can always go with a more conventional look...



As a reminder, the Tesla Cybertruck wrapped to look like an F-150 appeared shortly after Ford CEO Jim Farley criticized the Cybertruck for not being a real work truck.
https://insideevs.com/news/681745/tesla-cybertruck-shows-ford-f150-persona-some-more/

GNL says

what is the best purpose for the cyber truck?

It's a Status Symbol, bro.

That's the only purpose needed for the buyers.

Sheesh.

Interesting take from Edmunds.



https://x.com/edmunds/status/1766132950243164340?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

If the OEM car manufacturers don’t feel the pressure from EVs, why are they building EVs, while losing money on each EV they produce, and not sticking with their ICE business model?

Don't tell me you think they're doing it voluntarily. Eman, this country is beyond FUBAR. I believe we will eventually be full on communist at some point.

Eman says

Interesting take from Edmunds.



https://x.com/edmunds/status/1766132950243164340?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

But Eman, you said all Tesla vehicles were top notch best ever. How can that be?

Serious question: if a farmer had his own charger and never had to leave the farm property, would a cyber truck be able to handle all required tasks needed from a pickup?

This is only one person’s opinion from a country that doesn’t have Tesla…yet.



https://x.com/buyandholdbr/status/1766258238490579148?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

GNL says

Eman says

If the OEM car manufacturers don’t feel the pressure from EVs, why are they building EVs, while losing money on each EV they produce, and not sticking with their ICE business model?

Don't tell me you think they're doing it voluntarily. Eman, this country is beyond FUBAR. I believe we will eventually be full on communist at some point.

I’m not an insider so I don't know if they’re doing it voluntarily, or not. I think they have to meet some EPA mpg standard, and this is one way of achieving it. However, I believe they can also buy the credit and don't have to make EVs. They have options. Why do they choose to manufacture EVs? 🤷‍♂️

GNL says

Eman says

Interesting take from Edmunds.



https://x.com/edmunds/status/1766132950243164340?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

But Eman, you said all Tesla vehicles were top notch best ever. How can that be?

Everyone’s standard is different. I love my car. It’s the best one I’ve ever owned. After 6.5 years, I still love it. It’s always clean. My wife feels the same way about her Tesla, and I always keep her car clean too.

With the recent reviews on the new model 3 and the Cybertruck, they make me want to buy one of each. However, I’m waiting until our 2023 taxes are done to see how we fare in our tax liabilities before I buy another Tesla. Then see how our 2024 taxes fare before I buy another Tesla in 2025.

GNL says

Serious question: if a farmer had his own charger and never had to leave the farm property, would a cyber truck be able to handle all required tasks needed from a pickup?

I have no idea. I’ve never been a farmer. I provided the link to the YouTube video above. Maybe post your questions in the comment section, and Kim Java can help you get them answered by “the real farmer”?

GNL says

Eman says

If the OEM car manufacturers don’t feel the pressure from EVs, why are they building EVs, while losing money on each EV they produce, and not sticking with their ICE business model?

Don't tell me you think they're doing it voluntarily. Eman, this country is beyond FUBAR. I believe we will eventually be full on communist at some point.

This reminds me of this saying:

Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times

Eman says

This reminds me of this saying:

Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times

But you ran away from your country. Does that make you hard, weak or strong?

GNL says

Eman says

This reminds me of this saying:

Hard times create strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times create weak men
Weak men create hard times

But you ran away from your country. Does that make you hard, weak or strong?

I was a kid. South Vietnam fell and the communist took it over. It was a hard time for many. My dad (a strong man) managed to get all of us out and came to this lovely country.

Eman says

I was a kid. South Vietnam fell and the communist took it over. It was a hard time for many. My dad (a strong man) managed to get all of us out and came to this lovely country.

That's too bad because you missed the parts where Hard times create strong men and
Strong men create good times in Vietnam.

GNL says

Eman says

I was a kid. South Vietnam fell and the communist took it over. It was a hard time for many. My dad (a strong man) managed to get all of us out and came to this lovely country.

That's too bad because you missed the parts where Hard times create strong men and
Strong men create good times in Vietnam.

We’re only on this earth for a short time. We don’t get to choose which time frame it is. I try to make my stay during my time as enjoyable as possible and help my siblings and acquaintances along the way. Life is a journey be it strong or weak. So far, it’s been great. If there’s next life, I want to be my dad’s son again and marry to my wife again.

I love my family. I love my wife’s family. My dad said I did well marrying my wife and into a very nice family. 100% agreed.

Eman says

GNL says

Serious question: if a farmer had his own charger and never had to leave the farm property, would a cyber truck be able to handle all required tasks needed from a pickup?

I have no idea. I’ve never been a farmer. I provided the link to the YouTube video above. Maybe post your questions in the comment section, and Kim Java can help you get them answered by “the real farmer”?

Absolutely it can. It is perfect for localized farm work. Same thing for heavy construction, landscaping, local deliveries and majority jobs that don't require daily long hauls.

socal2 says

Absolutely it can. It is perfect for localized farm work. Same thing for heavy construction, landscaping, local deliveries and majority jobs that don't require daily long hauls.

Next question: can it do it better and more economically than an F-150?

GNL says

socal2 says

Absolutely it can. It is perfect for localized farm work. Same thing for heavy construction, landscaping, local deliveries and majority jobs that don't require daily long hauls.

Next question: can it do it better and more economically than an F-150?

These questions should be asked directly to the farmers. Only they know why they’re doing it. We’re speculating at best from the sidelines.

Maybe SoCal has a farming history, or a farmer himself so he can answer these questions. That would be so cool.

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks.

Eman says

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks

Maybe it's less about status and more about virtue signaling?

GNL says

Eman says

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks

Maybe it's less about status and more about virtue signaling?

I’m not sure what you mean by virtue signaling. Both SoCal and I bought Teslas because they’re fun to drive, and they serve our purpose. The tax credit and business deduction were some nice icing on the cake.

Eman says

GNL says

Eman says

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks

Maybe it's less about status and more about virtue signaling?

I’m not sure what you mean by virtue signaling. Both SoCal and I bought Teslas because they’re fun to drive, and they serve our purpose. The tax credit and business deduction were some nice icing on the cake.

I'm wasn't referring to you and SoCal. I do think lots of Tesla owners think they're saving the planet though.

GNL says

I do think lots of Tesla owners think they're saving the planet though.

That used to be the job of a Prius.

GNL says

I'm wasn't referring to you and SoCal. I do think lots of Tesla owners think they're saving the planet though.

You should have.

Interesting statistics, not professionally compiled of course. Does this make the Cybertruck a SUT now? Selling 250k of these CT annually? Pipe dream?



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1766895549763232145?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

The Tesla community has shared construction worker hauling sheetrock with the Cybertruck and farmer hauling hay with theirs too.

I can put sheetrock IN my Armada OR on the roof with ease. AND still fit at least a 3rd passenger if I wanted. With the roof option probably 10 sheets and still put 7 people in there. AND tow 9k lbs at the same time. You absolute Cannot do that with a Cyber truck or any pickup truck period.

I frankly don't like any pickup trucks for non-business use. Maybe if you're a bachelor. I do tend to believe dudes driving around in pickup trucks are generally closeted gays if it's not primarily for daily work. There's no need for it. Even 4 door models are gay to drive around in for the 3-5 times a year you might need to use the bed on a Home Depot trip or drag a kayak around or something. It's a waste.

So my take isn't really about the EV part of it, though that just makes it overpriced waste. There's these things called trailers. They're bigger than truck beds and can hold more weight. I appreciated you admit it's fun to drive and that's basically it. That's not worth $30-50k more and waiting in line to charge for an hour to get 100 miles. I could do that for $25 of gas in 3 minutes and not wait.

Sorry

Eman says

These questions should be asked directly to the farmers. Only they know why they’re doing it. We’re speculating at best from the sidelines.

I actually have asked a farmer with 8,000 acres that I grew up with and now our kids are friends go to the same school. It's a solid no. At least in IL 100%. He wouldn't bull shit me. He's my age and been farming his whole life. He's smart and knows what he needs to farm here and it was a resounding no.

How much bed is left in the truck when you put a diesel tank in there with 200 gallons fuel all the time? Then any gear you need. You'd maybe get 50 miles out of that. Real farmers easily will drive that in a day, especially seasonal crops for harvesting. That's why in my previous comment I mentioned the utility of trucks and it only being practical for work. Cyber Truck isn't. I've looked up the specs. A farmer also cannot wait around for it to charge either. This topic on the truck in frankly not debatable.

Good news for ICE drivers. I guess EV drivers help to put a dent in the gasoline consumption. Hope gasoline prices will come down.



https://x.com/johnrhanger/status/1766817407115345986?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks.

Gonna pull a Rich on this one. Link? My mom's RAV4 hybrid can run 90 miles on electric, so an easy daily commute for 95% of the population probably. She basically has an EV and can still fill it up with gas and go 300-400 miles in one drive. And can always just gas up quick if on a road trip and not have to find charging stations.

She loves it and it was cheaper than $46k. And can tow decent weight for a mid sized SUV. New ICE cars are not that expensive unless you're including super high end cars. Straight non-hybrid cars prices are not bad at all for similar sized Teslas. So taking an average of all ICE cars is misleading.

Eman says

Good news for ICE drivers. I guess EV drivers help to put a dent in the gasoline consumption. Hope gasoline prices will come down.

Natural gas prices and electric rates will go up.... You seriously can't be this obtuse? Not trying to be a dick, but power has to come from somewhere. They are going to charge you more my friend based on registration. With the subsidy they won't feel as bad raising rates and taxes on EV owners. It's coming dude.

Wookie,

Do you read what you write? Why is it always about you? Each vehicle is designed with a purpose and cater to different group of people. The Cybertruck may not be for you or your farmer friend, but it suits other people and farmer. I show proof while you’re all talk without any proof.

Why do you think people pay $4M for a Bugatti? Do you believe you’re smarter than someone who owns a Bugatti?

WookieMan says

Eman says

Good news for ICE drivers. I guess EV drivers help to put a dent in the gasoline consumption. Hope gasoline prices will come down.

Natural gas prices and electric rates will go up.... You seriously can't be this obtuse? Not trying to be a dick, but power has to come from somewhere. They are going to charge you more my friend based on registration. With the subsidy they won't feel as bad raising rates and taxes on EV owners. It's coming dude.

Tell me something I don’t know. I’ve witnessed it for years. That was why I got solar. Someone already mentioned that CA has included $175 surcharge for EVs to make up for the loss of revenue as they’re not paying gas taxes. Did you see that?

When was the last time any here is excited about buying a car or truck like this guy? There’s something about the Cybertruck that make people either love it, or hate it.



https://x.com/dirtytesla/status/1766610256661020813?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Why do you think people pay $4M for a Bugatti? Do you believe you’re smarter than someone who owns a Bugatti?

It's a cool looking car that has actual craftsmanship. As GNL said some cars are art. Not my style personally so I'm not a Bugatti fan either. Teslas just aren't good looking cars. Again as others have said it's virtue signaling when the cars are worse for the environment. They're ugly with no utility. So is a Bugatti in my world. I don't care about speed or looks. I need to get shit done and raise a family and not worry about being "hip."

There's not a single model of Tesla that looks good. It's fine they hold up well in accidents. All modern cars do. I promise you if I T-boned any model of Tesla (besides the truck) going 55 there's a death or ambulance coming at minimum. It's just an overpriced car. You've answer that you like acceleration. That's worth it for frankly a stupid thought process. I'm clearly not changing that and it's actually fact, not opinion.

I could make $10M a year and I would have no interest in it or any fancy/expensive car. It's a waste. I'd rather take a trip with the wife and kids 10 times a year before you make up the difference my car costs and has utility. I just did, hence why I'm catching up with this thread. It was a blast. Couples trip with a VRBO in Galena, IL. Sex twice daily. Hot tub. Great restaurant, like actual good food. Hanging with good friends. I give no shit about the speed and acceleration of a car that got me to Galena because I have to follow the speed limit.

Maybe get off X. That's most of your posts recently. If you don't think their algorithms are gonna feed you his products you've clearly been bought and sold. I don't know, I do things with my hands and time. You can't do that with a Tesla.... It's not opinion either. Hybrids are the future and cheaper AND greener if you're into that. I'm not sure why we go back and forth on this. You like acceleration. It's not better or cheaper than similar sized cars besides acceleration. Is a field of beaten dead horses in your back yard?

The article on page B1 of this weekend's WSJ is about a Tiger Mom drowning in her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

She was the sister of Trump's Transportation Secretary.

" The Death of Angela Chao: A Mistake in a Tesla and a Panicked Phone Call."
"What happened on a remote Texas ranch in a billionaire shipping scion's final hours".

by Valerie Bauerlein and others.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The article on page B1 of this weekend's WSJ is about a Tiger Mom drowning in her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

She was the sister of Trump's Transportation Secretary.

" The Death of Angela Chao: A Mistake in a Tesla and a Panicked Phone Call."
"What happened on a remote Texas ranch in a billionaire shipping scion's final hours".

by Valerie Bauerlein and others.

“Although the preliminary investigation indicated this was an unfortunate accident, the Sheriff’s Office is still investigating this accident as a criminal matter until they have sufficient evidence to rule out criminal activity,” the Blanco County Sheriff’s Office wrote in a Thursday letter to state Attorney General Ken Paxton.

“This incident was not a typical accident,” the agency added.

Chao’s sister Elaine Chao is married to McConnell and served as Secretary of Labor under President George W. Bush and Secretary of Transportation in President Donald Trump’s administration.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/us-news/angela-chao-made-panicked-call-before-dying-in-completely-submerged-tesla-on-texas-ranch/amp/

B.A.C.A.H. says

her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

It was a cyber truck?

GNL says

B.A.C.A.H. says

her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

It was a cyber truck?

Either way, sounds like she was drunk given the time. Some people have no business having even one beer and getting behind the wheel. At that time it was likely more than that. A car that accelerates fast and your responses are slow. There's a reason insurance companies charge more for certain cars. They kill more people no matter how "safe" they are.