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The Zelensky government needs to step up their kidnapping efforts if their much vaunted army is going to be properly manned for the upcoming 'Spring Offensive.' Last year's offensive was, by all accounts, a complete disaster. But hey, maybe the latest kidnapped crop of "I don't want to fight" young boys, old men and women will turn the tide? Maybe even some of them can fly those F-16s that we've sent them?

Ukrainian military leaders know they can't win on battlefield – Guardian

Their army’s weakness has prompted Kiev’s strikes on Russian infrastructure, senior officers have allegedly told the London newspaper

Ukraine has no other option but to launch attacks inside Russia, including on its oil infrastructure, because its army faces continued setbacks on the battlefield, The Guardian has reported, citing the leadership of the country's military intelligence service, the GUR.

Officers who allegedly spoke to the British newspaper were candid about Kiev’s desperate military situation. GUR Brigadier-General Dmitry Timkov said his country was like a patient on life support.

”We are attached to a drip. We have enough drugs to stay alive. But, if the West wants us to win, we need the full treatment,” he admitted, referring to the dwindling quantities of military aid coming from Kiev's western backers.

Major General Vadim Skibitsky, the deputy head of the GUR, admitted that a Ukrainian victory, widely promised by Kiev, is impossible at the moment. Facing multiple setbacks, the agency had “no choice” but to launch strikes deep inside Russia. He described this as a “NATO-standard procedure, known as center of gravity, or COG.”

More here: https://www.rt.com/russia/595341-ukraine-gur-attacks-guardian/

PS: No surprise at all. Everyone with even half of a brain knows that Ukraine never had a chance to defeat Russia ... as in NEVER.

RayAmerica says

Do you honestly believe that if Russia wanted to wipe Kiev off of the map they couldn't have done that? Really? Obviously, that was never their objective.

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

Face it, Russia expected another 2 week victory like they had in Crimea and Georgia and now they are trapped in a brutal slog, and Putin is throwing everything he can at the front line with little gains to justify his total cockup of a war.

People are on crack if they truly believe if this was all part of Russia's plan.

Not a chance in hell Putin expected to be where he is today 3 years later with so little to show.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Every example I just gave except for the EMP non-state perpetrators can pull off on a budget financed by credit cards, for crying out loud.

yep. Richmond, Benicia, And Martinez all have big refineries with lots of flammable stuff.

socal2 says

Yet - Russia still hasn't been able to cripple their much smaller and weaker next door neighbor....

Then why are Ukey propaganda outlets like the Kyiv Independent screaming otherwise?

socal2 says

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

I think Russia knows this is a war of attrition and will fight it that way, that means to drag it out as long as possible to deplete resources. This is what the United States wanted incorrectly believing this would lead to the destruction of Russia, due to incompetence in our State Department which we've had ever since the Neocons took over.

I HIGHLY doubt 300,000 Russians have been killed in this conflict. Perhaps as many as 30,000. I wouldn't be surprised that 300,000 Ukrainians have been killed which would explain why the average age of a fighter is in their mid 40's, and women are being recruited and slaughtered.

Once this war is finished, if the shitheads that run our foreign policy now are still in power, they will just start another war. Perhaps in Georgia, they may have recently tried in Kazakhstan (remember that?), they'll do it somewhere. By fighting this war slowly, and by utterly destroying Ukraine and driving it into the worst poverty imaginable which they WILL EXPERIENCE, border states of Russia MIGHT not be able to be convinced to get their entire population killed, and drive their entire nation into poverty to fight a war they have no hope of winning because the US promises they have your back, when they don't.

Depends if they have a traitor in power like Zelenskyy who won't only just follow stupid orders from the traitors in our state department, but will have enough power over their country to get them all to commit national suicide.

socal2 says

Face it, Russia expected another 2 week victory like they had in Crimea and Georgia and now they are trapped in a brutal slog, and Putin is throwing everything he can at the front line with little gains to justify his total cockup of a war.

That's silly. If Putin was "throwing everything he can" into this war, Kiev would have been bombed and Zelenskyy would be dead.

socal2 says

Not a chance in hell Putin expected to be where he is today 3 years later with so little to show.

I disagree. Putin began this war realizing he was fighting a proxy war with the United States. It wasn't Russia claiming they were going to win any moment, it was the US propaganda machine claiming that Russia said this. Our media just lied about what Russia expected. It always lies about every war, in the stupidest, dumbest ways, and if you can't see this now, you just can't see at all.

socal2 says

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

Keeps making the 300,000 lie. Then when called out on it, he deflects with "what do you think the figure is"...as if opinions trump facts.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

socal2 says

Do you honestly believe Russia wanted to have a stalemate the last 3 years and over 300,000 casualties with so little to show?

Keeps making the 300,000 lie. Then when called out on it, he deflects with "what do you think the figure is"...as if opinions trump facts.

The figure I hear bandied about is 30,000 - 40,000 Russian dead, more than 250,000 Ukrainians dead, but there's no way to know. Nobody talking about this conflict has reliable information, or if they do, their government tells them to lie, and they do.

richwicks says

That's silly. If Putin was "throwing everything he can" into this war, Kiev would have been bombed and Zelenskyy would be dead.

Huh? Russia does not have the ability to bomb Kiev as their jets would be shot down. Instead, Russia has been impotently launching missiles and rockets into Kiev the last 3 years.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Keeps making the 300,000 lie. Then when called out on it, he deflects with "what do you think the figure is"...as if opinions trump facts.

What's the point? As if you or Richwicks will believe anything? Everything is a big fucking psyop to support the "Global Homo Satanists" - right?

FWIW -

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-troops-killed-zelenskyy-675f53437aaf56a4d990736e85af57c4
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/russia-invasion-casualties-wounded.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-official-russia-suffers-staggering-losses-despite-ukraine-s-supply-shortages/7491475.html
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/02/24/how-many-russian-soldiers-have-died-in-ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbsiWyjX20
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/12/politics/russia-troop-losses-us-intelligence-assessment/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/10/new-data-uncovers-50000-russian-deaths-during-the-ukraine-war
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68358008

socal2 says

Huh? Russia does not have the ability to bomb Kiev as their jets would be shot down.

They don't need jets. They have ICBMs. They have hyper-sonic missiles.

Also, nobody is going to stop Russian aircraft from flying into Kiev. There is no Ukraine airforce left, and any nation shooting down a Russian plane would be at war with Russia so they aren't going to do that.

This is a purposeful, deliberate, evisceration of Ukraine by Russia. Russia has TRIED TO PLAY NICE with the West for years, for 2 decades, they once asked to be a part of NATO and they just get shit on over and over and over again. Russia called out the US' bullshit in Syria, by bombing ISIS and this time actually hitting them, unlike the US who pretended to fight ISIS and funded them.

This war is purposely being fought slow so that everybody watching it can see what Russia will do, deliberately. This war has hurt Europe, they are run by traitors that are loyal to the United States, and it's hurting the United States. Russia is inviting the US to throw in as much money as they want into this, fund all the mercenaries they want, send in all their equipment they want just to show the world that the US is going to lose.

socal2 says

Instead, Russia has been impotently launching missiles and rockets into Kiev the last 3 years.

Nothing is intercepted. Anti-ballistic missiles are very easy to defeat, you just fire in a bunch of garbage and let the ABM system shoot those down, because they are cheap, and the reason you do this is to cost money, because the ABM missiles AREN'T inexpensive, eventually the ABM system runs out of ammunition and then you can fire in whatever you like. Israel does this to Syria all the time. They are just trying to cost Syria money chiefly.

The West Bank does this to Israel, that's what Qassam Rockets are for. They aren't designed to hit any targets.

Russia dealt with Georgia quickly, remember that - when Georgia attacked S. Ossetia? Mikheil Saakashvili moved to Ukraine after he doomed Georgia by starting that conflict. He was part of the "freedumb movement" of Ukraine of course, being a US intelligence asset. The Ukrainians didn't accept him so he couldn't get elected, but he was appointed governor.

Our State Department is run by retards, and our intelligence agencies by assholes that keep repeating the same mistakes. It's a blatantly obvious pattern. It irritates me to no end there are still people that can't see it.

Remember when Russia started this war with Ukraine in earnest, and top Russian generals kept getting fired one after the other? That was supposed to be a sign of weakness. That was just Russia cleaning house. The US never does that, so only the incompetent and corrupt rise to the top in the United States. No matter how bad a fucking job anybody does in the US federal government, how much they fuck up, how stupid their decisions are, they get a promotion and a bonus, every fucking time. Victoria Nuland FINALLY left, I doubt that bitch got fired and if she was fired, it's more than 15 years too late.

Anyhow, do YOU believe after TWENTY YEARS of this behavior in all our intelligence agencies and our state department, they are going to win a proxy war against Russia? Even recruits sense this, which is why they are recruiting transgender weirdos, obese men, the mentally ill, homosexuals and lesbians, whatever. Nobody wants to go into the military unless they are sheltered and ignorant, or stupid and insane.

Russia isn't making a promise to end this war quickly. I don't think they ever did to their people. If they are promising that or ever did, they were lying. This war has at least 2 more years to go I think.

it’ll only end when US stops running it. we are just using ukrainians as fodder in our war against Russia. Sometimes we can be very fucked up morally as a nation.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

Sometimes we can be very fucked up morally as a nation.

I don't how people can think it's "sometimes" at this point. We have a 2 decade solid record of it. Our government doesn't even bother to make up excuses to start a war anymore, they just start one. I would bet less than 1% of Americans even KNOW that the US is bombing Somalia and Yemen and I would bet if you told them, they wouldn't care to even ask why.

We're a morally bankrupt nation and have been for a very long time, so I don't see why people are shocked that drag queen story perverts are showing up in kindergartens. Americans don't have any morality at all.

richwicks says

We have a 2 decade solid record of it

please go back further such to Korean War and then Dominican Republic and Bay of Pigs

I think Nixon and Carter were the least enthusiastic as far as geopolitical skirmished and turf battles

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richwicks says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

Sometimes we can be very fucked up morally as a nation.

I don't how people can think it's "sometimes" at this point. We have a 2 decade solid record of it. Our government doesn't even bother to make up excuses to start a war anymore, they just start one. I would bet less than 1% of Americans even KNOW that the US is bombing Somalia and Yemen and I would bet if you told them, they wouldn't care to even ask why.

We're a morally bankrupt nation and have been for a very long time, so I don't see why people are shocked that drag queen story perverts are showing up in kindergartens. Americans don't have any morality at all.

we really don’t have say in this. democracy is kinda an illusion, eminence front.

AD says

please go back further such to Korean War and then Dominican Republic and Bay of Pigs

We used to have credible propagandists who weren't hired based on whether they were willing to get assfucked or not, or because they happened to be the son of a politician or something and our State Department would at least have to find SOME REASON to attack the country, not just total bullshit reasons which were discovered to be ENTIRELY unfounded once the conflict was over.

We are as low as we can go now. We can't possibly get any lower. Every war is a complete lie, or if it's really an error, nobody gets fired for the error, EVER.

Americans, being fungus instead of people, don't seem to care that either our foreign policy is run by either sociopaths lying retards that kill for pleasure, or just incompetent retards that keep getting it wrong and continue to get promotions anyhow.

This idea that we are a "moral nation" is just fucking ridiculous. We're anything but. Our population has NO principles at all.

richwicks says

to find SOME REASON to attack the country, not just total bullshit reasons

I think they wanted to have US military bases in Iraq because of mostly Iran and what it did in 1979.

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AD says

richwicks says

to find SOME REASON to attack the country, not just total bullshit reasons

I think they wanted to have US military bases in Iraq because of mostly Iran and what it did in 1979.

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Iran just took some stupid spies hostage. Big deal.

The bases are for exerting power on regimes. The US intends to make all of the Middle East a vassal state, like Europe is. That's why there are still US bases in Europe.

richwicks says

The bases are for exerting power on regimes. The US intends to make all of the Middle East a vassal state, like Europe is. That's why there are still US bases in Europe.

Nah, the Germans still want them there. You don't see Germans protesting to get the US military bases out of Germany or at least there are not even vocal political parties demanding this enough for the left wing media in Germany to report this.

I've talked with "progressive Germans and also conservative Germans" and they admit its so that Germany does not have to spend as much on defense.

And what's going down in eastern Ukraine has not helped much. Even Finland (was) rushed to get into NATO.

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richwicks says

The US intends to make all of the Middle East a vassal state, like Europe is.

Bologna, the globalists manipulate every government to consolidate their control. All states are vassal to the satanic globalists New world order. The USA is not the boogie man. The globalists are.

AD says

And what's going down in eastern Ukraine has not helped much. Even Finland (was) rushed to get into NATO.

Regardless of body count, this is exactly the reason Russia has already lost. Next is the Kerch Bridge. If the bridge gets blown to bits more, supplying the southern front quickly and efficiently is toast. Get defensive positions to the west and then make a southern assault to completely cut Crimea off.

As usual I don't have a pony in this race. Just war gaming. This will become a defensive war on both sides at the end of the day. Fighting will dwindle with each side trying to retain territory. It's clear Russia doesn't have the forces to overwhelm Ukraine after 3 years basically. That's why I'm convinced this goes on for another decade and maybe longer.

Russia will collapse though. Putin is not a young man. There will be a power struggle/vacuum when he dies or leaves office. We'll see what other infrastructure Ukraine will hit within Russia. They're literally just an exporter of gas and oil. Cut that off to any significant degree and they're screwed. Europe can get those resources from elsewhere albeit expense AF. Better than having civilians and troops killed as Russia decides to move further and further West.

At no point was NATO going to attack Russia. EVER. That's why this whole conflict is stupid. What would stop Russia after controlling Ukraine from going further west? NATO was never going to be an attacking force. The Soviets tried it with fucking Cuba for Christs sake. USSR and Russia have always been the aggressor. And before you go there Rich, yes, we were the aggressor in Iraq and Afghanistan... don't need to hear it again.

WookieMan says

What would stop Russia after controlling Ukraine from going further west?

Putin's intelligence and common sense. He doesn't even 'want' Ukraine let alone more territory, he just can't tolerate US proxy NATO at that border. Almost exactly analogous to Cuba.

AD says

Nah, the Germans still want them there.

Germany can't even get their gold back from the Fed. They stood still for the devastating attack on their energy infrastructure, the largest industrial terrorism attack in history. Germany is totally subservient to the US/Globalist agenda. They have made any pushback to the 'Camp of the Saints' immigrant invasion illegal. The German people themselves are indoctrinated into happily accepting the required self-immolation.

Robert Sproul says

Putin's intelligence and common sense. He doesn't even 'want' Ukraine let alone more territory, he just can't tolerate US proxy NATO at that border. Almost exactly analogous to Cuba.

So what is Putin going to do about the brand new NATO members Sweden and Finland now at Russia's border?

Cuba was over half a century ago during the height of the Cold War with Marxism sweeping across parts of Europe and the 3rd world (including South/Central America). I think we all can agree that Marxism was an absolute cancer on humanity and worth resisting. But it is a different world today. No one in their right mind thinks Ukraine (or anyone) is going to invade or wants anything in shithole Russia.

Apparently Putin can't "tolerate" having Ukraine living next door with more favorable relations to the EU and the West, but Putin can tolerate getting over 300,000 of his young men killed or grievously wounded, 2 new NATO members on his border, loss of half his Black Sea naval fleet and stuck in an unwinnable war?

So my comment was that Putin has no expansionary ambition, you are saying he does?
Ukraine has long been a red-line. Most NATO expansion took place when Russia could not defend itself and was solely an attempt to control Russian resources, or maybe you think we were spreading !Democracy and Freedom!.

Robert Sproul says

So my comment was that Putin has no expansionary ambition, you are saying he does?

I just can't understand Putin's ROI considering the hundreds of thousands of people he has gotten killed on both sides with no end in site.

Ukraine being more friendly with their EU neighbors is a "red line" for Russia - but having 2 brand new NATO members on Russia's border and the entirety of the EU increasing their military budgets is not? If Russia intended to rape Ukraine for their economic resources or something that could quickly cover the billions Russia has spent of their fuckup of a war - I might be able to understand Putin's motivations.

But right now, I just see Russia banging their heads against a wall with very little to show for it.

socal2 says

I just can't understand Putin's ROI considering the hundreds of thousands of people he has gotten killed on both sides with no end in site.

Because he hasn't gotten 100's of thousands of Russians killed. Those are Ukrainians, and they won't work on the behalf of the Russian Federation anyhow, they work on behalf of the US empire.

socal2 says

but having 2 brand new NATO members on Russia's border and the entirety of the EU increasing their military budgets is not?

NATO is a paper tiger. In a real conflict between the EU and NATO, it's nuclear, and military doesn't matter. The modern military is used to expand business goals and to control foreign nations to varying extents. The military is really obsolete if all you want to do is defend your borders. It's been obsolete since July 16, 1945.

socal2 says

If Russia intended to rape Ukraine for their economic resources or something that could quickly cover the billions Russia has spent of their fuckup of a war - I might be able to understand Putin's motivations.

No, the US intends to (and will!) rape Ukraine of their economic resources but not for the benefit of the United States, but of the banking system that controls the United States. They will benefit.

The incentive of Russia is they want to be left alone, and to do this, they are going to extinguish a country to show others "this is what happens when you suck up to the United States to fuck with us".

socal2 says

But right now, I just see Russia banging their heads against a wall with very little to show for it.

Both sides are going to lose, nobody really walks out of a war ahead - unless they avoid it. That's why the US did so well after WWII, the US hardly went in and was the last industrial economy still standing at the end.

Russia has been placed under sanctions, they've finally been forced to amp up their own manufacturing, they have ways to avoid sanctions now, they have built up relationships with India and China, they don't depend on european goods or services or euroes. They are now entirely independent of the SWIFT banking system and they are showing the world the US is a paper tiger.

What has the US gotten out of it? Well, the US got nothing out of it, but Blackrock has a lot of land they forcibly took over, the energy industries now have a new customer base in Europe, and it only cost the US a few trillion dollars, again.

It's not a question of who gets ahead in war, it's who is pushed further back. The US and Europe were.

richwicks says

Because he hasn't gotten 100's of thousands of Russians killed.

I provided you nearly 20 links reporting Russian casualties yesterday.

You will continue to ignore ANY information that doesn't comport to your fevered imagination of massive conspiracy theories believing there is a "Satanist Pedo Joo" around every corner.

socal2 says

I provided you nearly 20 links reporting Russian casualties yesterday.

Well point of the post you did. I don't recall it.

I will ignore everything if you start posting from our government or known propaganda agencies, meaning western media. That is not to say that there might not be correct information in one of those 20 links, it means you are incapable of thinking if you continue to reference sources that consistently lie. I no longer see any reason to deal with people who after 20 years of being lied to can't realize it. The (supposed) opinions of such "people" are worthless.

Let's see:

socal2 says

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-troops-killed-zelenskyy-675f53437aaf56a4d990736e85af57c4

That was your first link. Associated Propaganda is your first source.

Unimaginable to me not to have sentience. I bet you can't imagine at all.

richwicks says

That was your first link. Associated Propaganda is your first source.

How about the Al Jazeera report that claims 50,000 Russia deaths by last summer using data from Russian sources and confirming names at Russian cemeteries?

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"Nearly 50,000 Russian men have died in the war in Ukraine, according to the first independent statistical analysis of Russia’s war dead.

Two independent Russian media outlets, Mediazona and Meduza, working with a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University, used Russian government data to shed light on one of Moscow’s closest-held secrets — the true human cost of its invasion of Ukraine."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/10/new-data-uncovers-50000-russian-deaths-during-the-ukraine-war

Keep in mind, this is from last July before Russia started their latest (and failed) offensive that got tens of thousands more Russians killed and wounded.

socal2 says

How about the Al Jazeera report

I said previously:

richwicks says

I will ignore everything if you start posting from our government or known propaganda agencies, meaning western media.

and I meant that.

Your opinion isn't worth considering. That's not to say you're wrong, it's just that you don't care if you're right. I'm not going through the shit you consider a mind, because you won't do it yourself. I am tired of dealing with people who don't worry about thinking and have no problem passing on bullshit. You just did.

This is your fucking source:

EXPLAINER: Can the spread of monkeypox be stopped?

I am sick of tired of having to deal with the confusion of "minds" that continue to reference this bullshit. 20 years ago, I recognized what was mainstream "news" was bullshit. 2 decades ago. If you haven't caught up by now, you're too infantile to take seriously. I'm fucking fed up with it.

At the end of this war, which our stupid fucking neocons started, who have a 100% track record of lying the ENTIRE time, we'll find out what happened. Your article in AP said:

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-troops-killed-zelenskyy-675f53437aaf56a4d990736e85af57c4

A U.S. intelligence report declassified in mid-December 2023 estimated that 315,000 Russian troops had been killed or wounded in Ukraine. If accurate, the figure would represent 87% of the roughly 360,000 troops Russia had before the war, according to the report.

If the Russian military was that weak, the US would invade them. 360,000 * (1 - 0.87) = 47,000 left. The US supposedly has around 35,000 troops in Germany now.

https://knowgermany.com/how-many-us-troops-are-stationed-in-germany/

As of September 2021, there are around 35,000 US troops stationed in Germany.

You would't even think to do any math or look anything up, would you? You read passively, and do no thinking. You don't even consider that it's even possible for you to know if you're reading bullshit or not. You feel this is entirely outside of your ability and grasp to do some middle school arithmetic. You're everywhere.

richwicks says

Your opinion isn't worth considering.

So I can just put you on ignore?

The Al Jazeera link you clearly didn't read used Russian media sources and confirmed cemetery headstones to provide the Russian death estimate.

socal2 says

So I can just put you on ignore?

You can, but that won't prevent me from responding to you, without your knowledge. I'm OK with that.

Where is the error in my reasoning? If you're just going to pick out bullshit without even doing cursory basic thinking to determine if what you are reading is even REASONABLE, why should I consider you EVER do that?

I do more work about your reasoning than you do. I just demonstrated it. How can you want to express an opinion, when all your opinion is, is some fucking nonsense from a bunch of websites of lying assholes, who you KNOW are lying assholes? Don't you have ANY shame about being wrong or being used?

Most of you THINGS don't. Don't you even know what consciousness is?

socal2 says

The Al Jazeera link you clearly didn't read

No, I didn't. I hit your first link, read the article, spent a few minutes looking up how horse shit they have been, and still are:

https://apnews.com/article/international-news-europe-8b10323d2ed0e88c2f48ccd0bf6bf73e
https://apnews.com/general-news-fe23e5d8fca641dcb03ddb58c4ae2906

(those are the two I didn't use), and then did a basic math to check to see if the figures of what the "intelligence" agencies made any fucking sense (surprise! Of course they didn't, they NEVER do), then began to wonder how many US troops are stationed in Europe, found two articles that claim (who knows if that's true?) about 35,000 in Germany, and reported on that.

I'm not going through everything you post to see if it's all nonsense. I'll stop at one.

You know what fucking sucks? Because I have the ability to think, and I use it, I get punished for that. People will dismiss what I conclude without doing even the most basic thinking about it, and will insist that whatever nonsense they got from some "authoritative source", which they KNOW have lied over and over and over again, must be right. I have really really tried to treat these people as actual people, and I've been struggling not to finally divorce myself from them in the last 3 years, but the last few months, it's coming to a head. I might just break off entirely.

I'm tired of living around a bunch of meat robot NPC idiots that get OFFENDED when they are questioned about what they BELIEVE they "think", and are resentful when being shown they were actually wrong. I'm doing a fucking favor for these fucks. "Oh, I showed you were brainwashed and believed a bunch of bullshit, and were being used like a stupid whore? I'm sorry, I should have allowed you to keep getting fucked in the asshole and be treated like the little bitch you are".

"Israel wants USA to attack Iran, dragging us into war." Col. Douglas MacGregor | Redacted News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkAja6C0QU

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/vectoring-dangerously

Antony Blinken, our Secretary of State, who announced yesterday that Ukraine will get rushed into NATO ASAP. Do you understand that would mean a direct, automatic, peremptory declaration of war against Russia, requiring all of NATO — that is, their combined militaries — to go kinetic inside Ukraine and theoretically inside Russia, too, (a move that has not worked out well for anyone in all of history), because Article Five of the NATO charter states that an armed attack against one is an attack against all, and must be answered with counter-attack? Thus, you see, Mr. Blinken just announced World War Three.

You might also consider that NATO does not have the capacity to fight that war. The European members don’t have sufficient troops and equipment, or financial reserves for that matter. And there is, of course, America’s under-recruited DEI army of transsexuals and video-gamers, with equipment that has already proven inadequate on-the-ground in Ukraine, and a logistical route for delivery of all that which runs 5,000 miles across an ocean and then another continent. . . whereas our opponent (Russia) is right next door to the battlefield and churning out munitions like there is no tomorrow (which there might well not be for all concerned). Even Adolf Hitler, the last fool to attempt a conquest of Russia, wouldn’t like those odds.

And why would Russia desist from firing hypersonic missiles at Berlin, Paris, London, New York and. . . ? You get the idea. In which case the USA, backstopping NATO, would lob swarms of our nuclear missiles into Russia. . . and the whole shootin’ match ends up twenty minutes later a smoldering, civilization-ending mess. Smooth move, Tony Blinken.

Patrick says

Article Five of the NATO charter states that an armed attack against one is an attack against all, and must be answered with counter-attack?

In bold above: no such thing is stated in Article 5.

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

So members may do or don't do whatever they like. No must be answered by a counter-attack.

For our response, we can fly over some military surgeons to perform Trans surgery on Allied troops, for example

Oh, and Ukraine is not in the North Atlantic area.

I’m fairly certain that this announcement is to ensure Russia does not stop the war against Ukraine but pushes forward to claim Kyiv and the rest of it.

After all, if you were Russia hearing that essentially as soon as Ukraine wasn’t in a war it would become a staging area for NATO missiles, what would you do?
You’d be forced to eliminate it as an independent nation.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Oh, and Ukraine is not in the North Atlantic area.

Such geography did not stop Turkey, Romania, Poland or the Baltic states from joining.

HeadSet says

Such geography did not stop Turkey, Romania, Poland or the Baltic states from joining.

Poland joining NATO along with the war on former Yugoslavia was enough to get Putin in power.

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