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AmericanKulak says

Firefighters abandoned WTC7 earlier in the day because OTHER BUILDINGS also caught fire from burning debris from the Towers, but those buildings were considered worth bothering as they had adequate water supply.

And a bunch of them died, so there's that as well. Less manpower to fight any fire anywhere.

There's no point in debating with Rich on this topic when he says stuff like this:
richwicks says

No they didn't. They weren't actually furniture movers at all. They hired local illegals to handle that. Their job was to track the people following the planes. They followed them to Florida while they were training to fly for example - they even helped move them at one point, no doubt to bug their new place. Who knows?

Literally admits no one knows. His links are gold, yours aren't. I wouldn't waste your time on this topic. He knows all.

WookieMan says

Literally admits no one knows.

As I said, there are FOIA requests, which are still redacted 20 years after.

https://911research.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Moving_Systems

You won't do the most basic, simple research nor thinking.

Here's the interview of the 5

https://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs?feature=shared&t=360

I've forgotten more about this than you will ever know, and unlike you, I'm capable of thinking.

The official story is that an Israeli was running an illegal business in Manhattan to as movers and Israeli students (Israeli, not merely "Jewish") moved across the fucking planet to work a menial job to move furniture. This business was abandoned after 9/11.

You've forgotten about the reports of truck bombs being stopped, they had explosive reside on their hands, they have 1000's of dollars of cash, and they all has tickets to leave the United States - they were fleeing. They have video tape of the event, photographs, and they've admitted this. Their interrogation showed they were contradictory and lied (told they weren't very professional) and when they were caught by police they said "We are no your problem, the Palestinians are your problem".

You just don't know anything about it, and you damned well won't listen to me, and if you don't know what happens 2 decades later, you're really not interested.

The people who did it, got away with it.

The fact they were there before the first plane hit, that's all you need to know. They had prior knowledge. It's like some nitwit telling me just because Victoria Nuland was picking out the next government of Ukraine with Geoffrey Pyatt 2 weeks and 4 days before "the revolution", that doesn't PROVE there was a coup.

Yes it does. It shows prior knowledge. In the same way, they wouldn't be illegal, unregistered aliens "working" for a moving company who just happened to be taking time off in the morning at or before 8:46 am on a Monday to capture the WTC being hit, then CELEBRATING to a point that a resident across the way called the police and had them apprehended hours later, because the police sure are useful..

And if people just did a LITTLE thinking, and they won't, it doesn't matter how bad or stupid the propaganda is. We went to war with Iraq soon after because "Hussein worked with binLaden to do 9/11" (impossible, binLaden was a Saudi and religious leader, he was CIA during the Afghan/Russian war, he fought for the mujahideen. People are willingly ignorant, and people like you are happy to spread ignorance.

AmericanKulak says

Burning debris from the Towers caused fires on multiple floors. While the sprinkler system put out those that started on higher floors, because it was fed by large rooftop water towers, the lower floors depended on the city water mains centered on the Twin Towers that were damaged, with alternate supplies being inadequate to fight the fire either by sprinkler or proximal water hookups.

Again, don't waste the time. Rich knows infrastructure as a keyboard expert. He's worked in the field or knows experts in the field personally that work with people that have 9/11 evidence. He has links so that means he's right. He's also a building engineer from his links that are 100% right and yours are wrong.

Fact is you know what you know. I don't rely on links. I talk to actual humans. So I never argue 9/11 with anyone. I simply know more from actual experts and people. I'm not creating a website to prove people wrong and give them a link. Some people you cannot deal with on certain topics.

WookieMan says

Again, don't waste the time.

I was responding to Ray. I assume Rich had a apoplexic conniption over it and threw out a lot of assertions as if it was evidence.

Israeli Students and Arabs all lived close to each other, in the NYC area. PROOF! The Israeli students were spies. I can't believe there were Israelis and Islamicists in the NYC area at the same time. What are the chances of that?

I wonder if there are Israelis and Islamicists living in the other cities close to each other, like LA and Chicago, too? "Pah! Those who believe ZioLies will say that's coincidence too!"

WookieMan says

Again, don't waste the time. Rich knows infrastructure as a keyboard expert.

If anything I've said is factually incorrect or you think it is, let me know.

You just insult, that's fine. I am happy to show the shallowness of your thinking, to demonstrate, by allowing you to do it.

This is a TWO DECADE OLD EVENT, and I don't feel like rehashing it when Rumsfeld is dead now, George Tenet got the "Presidential Medal of Freedumb", we've gone to a fucking war that had NOTHING to do with it, and the real perpetrators made billions.

If this was 2005 I'd be trying to explain it to you, frantically, maybe we could stop it, maybe we could hold people accountable. I was hardly the only one, certainly not a principle in investigating it. You weren't there at all. You're still just "oh, you wearing a tinfoil hat" - the whole fucking thing is documented.

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Enigma-11-Israeli-Connection/dp/0595296823

People have written about this extensively, you haven't even looked at it.

I get so fucking pissed off that people can't even be BOTHERED to post links or to show their thinking. I just don't think most people think. There really are NPCs in this world, incapable of thinking so why continue this?

We know there is a Saudi Connection, we know there was a Israeli connection, we know that the FBI was involved in the WTC bombing in 1993, we know there was some fucking suspicious shit with miraculously finding passports, Israel security handled ALL the terrorists at the airports, there's been FOIA requests, and nobody cares. The time for caring was when something could have been done about it. Operating Mockingbird was a complete success, it was uncovered in 1975 when I was FIVE YEARS OLD, and nobody around me has even bothered to care. Your deserve your slavery.

AmericanKulak says

Israeli Students and Arabs all lived close to each other, in the NYC area. PROOF! The Israeli students were spies.

The proof is when they went on Israeli television and said they were there to record the event, and were caught with video tape recording the first plane hitting. Already gave you the video. Here it is again:

https://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs?feature=shared&t=360

You just ignore everything, so what is the point of trying to "convince" you? I could go find the FOIA reports, you'll ignore those too.

You know, because everybody drives at 8:00 in the morning on Tuesday to go to a parking lot for no reason with a bunch of cameras and a video camera with 5 other guys, when they are all illegal Israeli immigrants that work for a moving company that is also illegal with plane tickets to fly out of the country in the next few days. For some reason they decided to video tape the WTC and just happened to get the first attack on tape - then when they went back to Israel they said on television they were there to record the event.

Just coincidence.

Never in the history of the world had any skyscraper collapsed due to a 'fire.' Yet, on 9/11, three collapsed in their own footprint. Let's not even discuss the Pentagon or the Shanksville, PA plane crash site ...

RayAmerica says

Never in the history of the world had any skyscraper collapsed due to a 'fire.' Yet, on 9/11, three collapsed in their own footprint

And led to the longest fire in the history of building fires.

RayAmerica says

Never in the history of the world had any skyscraper collapsed due to a 'fire.' Yet, on 9/11, three collapsed in their own footprint. Let's not even discuss the Pentagon or the Shanksville, PA plane crash site ...

More precisely
"Never in the history of the world have had large commercial aircraft smashed into central core skyscrapers. Never in the world have multiple fires started on multiple floors of a building nearby to where two were hit by large commercial aircraft. Not a single source fire in a single location."

Onvacation says

And led to the longest fire in the history of building fires.

Because Yet other buildings were on fire from the same cause - burning debris smashing into them - the longest fire was unfought because of scarce resources and the water supply for the bottom half of the building being cut off.

Oh, and a B-25 Mitchell is almost a tenth of the empty weight of a 707.

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/un-observes-moment-of-silence-for-the-911-hijackers



Why does the article fail to mention Saudi Arabia?

So who was it? Saudi Arabia? Israel? Bin Laden? Maybe none of those. Watch Corbett's extensive documentary with reams of sources and be informed instead of opinionated.

NuttBoxer says

So who was it? Saudi Arabia? Israel? Bin Laden? Maybe none of those. Watch Corbett's extensive documentary with reams of sources and be informed instead of opinionated.

One thing's for sure ... it did not happen in the manner that the official story says it did.

Who benefitted most? I think there is no question that Israel was the biggest beneficiary, although it hasn't worked out according to the 'plan,' which is, to eliminate the threat in Syria and Iran.

What exactly would have been the benefit and motive for Saudi Arabia to mastermind and carry out 9/11?

https://www.voluntarysociety.org/conditioning/conspiracy/911/conspirators/silverstein.htm

2001 July 24: Despite the WTC being unprofitable, corroded and insulated with asbestos that could not be cost effectively removed, Larry Silverstein acquires a 99-year lease for WTC 1, 2, 4 and 5 for $3.2 billion using only $14 million of his money with the right to rebuild the structures, should they be destroyed, even by an act of terrorism. An act of war, which would normally preclude a pay-off..

9/11: Larry Silverstein is absent from his office on the 88th floor of the North Tower because of a "doctors appointment" and his two kids, Roger and Lisa, are also absent from the office, because they were "running late." "After a last-minute breakdown in the front-running bid, Mr. Silverstein’s team won by a hair. His son, Roger, and his daughter, Lisa, were working for him in temporary offices on the 88th floor of the W.T.C. north tower. Regular meetings with tenants in the weeks immediately following their July 26, 2001, takeover of the building were held each morning at Windows on the World. But on Sept. 11, Roger and Lisa Silverstein were running late. Meanwhile, Mr. Silverstein’s wife of 46 years had laid down the law: The developer could not cancel an appointment with his dermatologist, even to meet with tenants at his most important property. If the * *attack had happened just a little later, Mr. Silverstein’s children would likely have been trapped at Windows. As it was, Silverstein Properties lost four employees in the attack, two of whom had just recently been hired." - New York Observer (03/13/03) [Reprinted: wirednewyork.com]

In total, Silverstein was awarded nearly $5 billion in insurance money following the destruction of the Twin Towers [from Chubb Corp., Swiss Reinsurance Co., Lloyd's of London, German Alliance Corp., ACE Ltd and XL Capital Ltd]. He plans to use some or all of the settlement to rebuild [modern, profitable buildings without asbestoes insullation].

And anyone find the original articles (New York Observer (03/13/03) [Reprinted: wirednewyork.com]) ? They seem to have been scrubbed from the internet, even archive sites.

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/musings-on-the-department-of-defense

On September 10, 2001, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced that DOD was missing $2.3 trillion.19,20 This announcement was quickly buried by the events of the following day, September 11, when numerous offices filled with records and documents related to the accounting for DOD’s money and related Treasury and other securities were blown up in New York and Washington. This included offices of the Office of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon, said to be investigating the trillions missing from DOD. Subsequently, the Army—led by a former Enron executive—claimed that as a result of records lost on September 11, it could not produce an audit, even though my understanding was that their accounting operations were run from Ohio.

AmericanKulak says

Onvacation says

And led to the longest fire in the history of building fires.

Because Yet other buildings were on fire from the same cause - burning debris smashing into them - the longest fire was unfought because of scarce resources and the water supply for the bottom half of the building being cut off.

The fire lasted for months and 10s of thousands of gallons of water were poured on it.

Onvacation says

AmericanKulak says

Onvacation says

And led to the longest fire in the history of building fires.

Because Yet other buildings were on fire from the same cause - burning debris smashing into them - the longest fire was unfought because of scarce resources and the water supply for the bottom half of the building being cut off.

The fire lasted for months and 10s of thousands of gallons of water were poured on it.

I presume sprinkler systems in buildings stop working being choked out by fire.

Video released of twin towers exploding

The families of victims of 9/11 said they were 'deeply troubled' after the architect of the attacks and two others agreed to plea deals after decades in US detention.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid Bin Attash and Mustafa al-Hawasawi have all agreed to plead guilty to conspiracy charges in exchange for a life sentence.

The New York Times reported on Wednesday evening that the pleas, which will see the men dodge a death penalty trial, have been approved by Pentagon officials.

'We are deeply troubled by these plea deals. While we acknowledge the decision to avoid the death penalty, our primary concern remains access to these individuals for information,' said 9/11 Justice President Brett Eagleson.

'These plea deals should not perpetuate a system of closed-door agreements, where crucial information is hidden without giving the families of the victims the chance to learn the full truth.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13695719/Khalid-Shaikh-Mohammed-plea-deal-9-11-attacks.html

The plea deal allows the Deep State to hide all the indications and warnings and allow them to collect benefices from Saudi Arabia without trouble.

https://x.com/kendallbaker/status/1833645420972556408

My wife's flight is delayed.... I legit asked her why fly today? She's in Atlanta. Find a hotel with a pool and grab some drinks. Get the pre-winter tan.

James Woods, the actor, a month before 9/11, reported strange behavior of passengers to the FBI on a Boston-LA flight.

The flight Woods was on, Boston to Los Angeles, is believed to have been a dry run for 9/11. On the flight he observed four Middle Eastern men acting so oddly that he reported them to the flight attendants and authorities on the ground when he landed.

https://x.com/Bacon_Is_King/status/1833856416232391137

The FBI was polite on the phone, but never properly followed up. Keep in mind it was trivial for the FBI to get the passenger list.

LA was where the Saudi Intel safehouse the hijackers frequently visited or stayed over at. The 911 survivor families had to sue the US Gov and the very Saudi-protective Bush Admin before parts of the 911 Commission report discussing Saudi Intel safehouses and the hijackers were unredacted

9/11 was a Swiss BIS IPO public offering and Satanic sacrifice blueprint, emanating from the Rockefellers, Fourth Reich, Vatican, City of London, Globalists, banksters etc. with scaled investors and share holders. It had been in the planning stages for a very long time, and the Rockefellers always knew the buildings would come down in this way. It was built as a human sacrifice alter. Fucking X-files show predicted it, along with the Illuminati Card Game.

I imagine quite a few elites from various Freemason houses were involved, and the mechanics were provided by the usual five eye spy industrial complex/MIC with coordinated, assigned and distributed jobs for the various main actors. That also allows for the shifting sands of the blame game. Was it a minority share holder who dood it? Was it the usual blame magnets that dood it? They ALL fucking dood it who thought they could profit from the campaign for various and sundry different motives. The dance of a thousand veils of distraction and dead investigation pockets and blames ensues as an important detail of the act.

So far, for false flags, it was their Mona Lisa for magician acts. Unfortunately for the surviving architects, the magician's act has been unravelled before they have gone into their graves due to information diffusion, and they will hopefully remain alive long enough to experience the world's wrath. I won't hang around waiting for it, though. History is too full of the dynastic's evil magic acts.

I think profiling should be 1,000% legal. I have a black nephew as regulars here know. Profile him. He's not a piece of shit. He can stand his own as a kid with a cop, TSA, Customs and more. White male privilege for my black nephew. Go after him. See how well that ends.

It's usually black on black bull shit anyway. If I think a Muslim looks fishy, head is on a swivel. Call me racist or whatever. I've never even thought of killing people and I have reason to. Upper middle class helps, but I don't get how a human can be willing to take another life. CIA involved, Muslims, whatever. Unless it involves my wife or kids, I can't kill people. Fucking sick. Who wake up and plans to kill even 10 people out of no where? Kids are older now. Guns are gonna be in the house. CC bullshit IL training, but I'll get that.

Did You Know:

The 28 Pages show that two 9/11 hijackers tied to Saudi intelligence rented a room from an FBI informant in California before the 2001 attacks

The Director of the FBI kept this covered up for years

His name?

Robert Mueller

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1833835341427749263

Maybe the attempt on Trump's life in Butler was arranged by Mueller and similar people who have a lot to lose if Trump decides to speak about those things.

The Arabs could have been minority investors in the 9/11 BIS IPO along with the many other parties, but they were not the exclusive architects.

Common sense dictates that they did not on their own have either the infrastructures, complex motives or the logistics for the long planned target project. They provided a piece towards their investments, like the other investing parties.

Patrick says

Maybe the attempt on Trump's life in Butler was arranged by Mueller and similar people who have a lot to lose if Trump decides to speak about those things.

Maybe that's why Mueller was picked to investigate "Russian Collusion"

Just a couple of thoughts:

If you know anything about airplanes, particularly passenger jets, you would know that it would be virtually impossible for these hijackers to manually fly these jetliners, while leaving the flight pattern, find their targets and then hit those targets. IMPOSSIBLE.

Also, the ability for the hijacked passengers to use their cell phones and connect with their family members on the ground ... IMPOSSIBLE. The technology did not exist.

On 9/11, virtually all of the security cameras were down at the Pentagon. Really?

Building 7 fell in a free fall due to a relatively small minor fire. Building 7 was a 47 story skyscraper.

I know. It's nutty conspiracy stuff, isn't it?

“What REALLY happened to U.S. air defenses on 9/11 will shock you” | Redacted with Clayton Morris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP49whVZUPc

No wonder Boeing have hard time last years. Just think about.

Plane hitting tower one - powderized
Plane hitting tower two - powderized
Plane hitting Pentagon ?? - powderized
Plane dropped in Pennsylvania - powderized

What material did they use to build planes? Aha ... must be the special one.

REpro says

What material did they use to build planes? Aha ... must be the special one.

Silly, they must have made them out of powder.

view pdf

That smug, Scherff Nazi, dynastic Skull & Bones secret handshake look you give when you know that the preliminary human sacrifice of humans on 9/11 will be followed by over a million in the Middle East.

RayAmerica says

If you know anything about airplanes, particularly passenger jets, you would know that it would be virtually impossible for these hijackers to manually fly these jetliners, while leaving the flight pattern, find their targets and then hit those targets. IMPOSSIBLE.

Also, the ability for the hijacked passengers to use their cell phones and connect with their family members on the ground ... IMPOSSIBLE. The technology did not exist.

Both are wrong. It's not impossible at all. ATC didn't notify officials fast enough. If you lose communication and a plane is going off course you'd report it to the military. I get it was 2001, but this is east coast airspace. A plane not communicating with ATC would be a major red flag.

Flying an airplane is rather trivial. A fighter jet in a dog fight or Blue Angles in formation, that's different. If the goal is to just hit something a common retard could do it. These weren't small buildings. The terrorist didn't handle take off. Once they got control it would be pretty easy. Hence why we have massive security at airports now. I'm old enough to remember people smoking on planes. Know pilots. Besides take off and landing a plane is a plane once in the air. I drive an SUV, but I can drive a semi certainly. My buddy got drunk and drove a soil grader and only ever drove a car.

You can make a phone call at certain altitudes. I've done it. I don't do airplane mode. A tower is a tower. If low enough a phone call can be made even in 2001 with that tech.

I'm not going to argue about the buildings collapsing. Any of them. The cameras. It was 2001. But give me a passenger jet at altitude I'd have no issue hitting a building. That's not even an argument. Take off and landing are the hardest parts. If you see something you can hit it no problem. You have miles to adjust with the target in sight. Pilots hit runways narrower than the WTC's.

It was a clear day. Good sight. My argument would be that what human would let a plane get highjacked? I'm not. I'll risk death. I'm also a 6'3" 225lbs man. A 5'7" best case 160lbs muslim can try to cut me but I'll win that battle. That is what I'll never understand. I can go into anger mode, even at 41. You better be trained in martial arts to take me out or you'll lose. I don't feel pain. I would have killed those fuckers. Something else was going on with 4 jets crashing. So the conspiracy is real. Given it being the east coast, 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon, does anyone know someone on the planes?

I don't know. I know a shit ton of people and so does the wife. We're midwest, but from that 7 layers we've yet to meet anyone that knew a passenger on any of the plane. 9 out of 10 times, not joking, we see someone we know at the airport. Not intentional either. Or we meet someone that knows a person we know. Yet to even meet someone knows someone that died on 9/11.