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5   Patrick   2024 Feb 17, 1:10pm  

Tucker Carlson:

There's so much here and it's so shocking. So you're saying the Pentagon, our Pentagon, the US Department of Defense censored Americans during the 2020 election cycle?

Mike Benz:

Yes, they did this through the, so the two most censored events in human history, I would argue to date are the 2020 election and the COVID-19 pandemic, and I'll explain how I arrived there.

So the 2020 election was determined by mail-in ballots, and I'm not weighing into the substance of whether mail-in ballots were or were not a legitimate or safe and reliable form of voting. That's a completely independent topic from my perspective.

Then the censorship issue one, but the censorship of mail-in ballots is really one of the most extraordinary stories in our American history. I would argue what happened was is you had this plot within the Department of Homeland Security. Now this gets back to what we were talking about with the State Department's Global Engagement Center. You had this group within the Atlanta Council and the Foreign Policy Establishment, which began arguing in 2017 for the need for a permanent domestic censorship government office to serve as a quarterback for what they called a whole of society counter misinformation, counter disinformation alliance.

That just means censorship. To counter “miss-dis-info”. But their whole society model explicitly proposed that we need every single asset within society to be mobilized in a whole of society effort to stop misinformation online. It was that much of an existential threat to democracy, but they fixated in 2017 that it had to be centered within the government because only the government would have the clout and the coercive threat powers and the perceived authority to be able to tell the social media companies what to do to be able to summon a government funded NGO Swarm to create that media surround sound to be able to arm an AstroTurf army of fact checkers and to be able to liaise and connect all these different censorship industry actors into a cohesive unified hole. And the Atlantic Council initially proposed with this blueprint called Forward defense. “It's not offense, it's Forward Defense” guys.

They initially proposed that running this out of the State Department's Global Engagement Center because they had so many assets there who were so effective at censorship under Rick Stengel, under the Obama administration. But they said, oh, we are not going to be able to get away with that. We don't really have a national security predicate and it's supposed to be foreign facing. We can't really use that hook unless we have a sort of national security one. Then they contemplated parking it, the CIA, and they said, well, actually there's two reasons we can't do that. The is a foreign facing organization and we can't really establish a counterintelligence threat to bring it home domestically. Also, we're going to need essentially tens of thousands of people involved in this operation spanning this whole society model, and you can't really run a clandestine operation that way. So they said, okay, well what about the FBI?

They said, well, the FBI would be great, it's domestic, but the problem is is the FBI is supposed to be the intelligence arm of the Justice Department. And what we're dealing with here are not acts of law breaking, it's basically support for Trump. Or if a left winging popularist had risen to power like Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbin, I have no doubt they would've done in the UK. They would've done the same thing to him there. They targeted Jeremy Corbin and other left-wing populist NATO skeptical groups in Europe, but in the US it was all Trump.

And so essentially what they said is, well, the only other domestic intelligence equity we have in the US besides the FBI is the DHS. So we are going to essentially take the CIA's power to rig and bribe foreign media organizations, which is the power they've had since the day they were born in 1947. And we're going to combine that with the power with the domestic jurisdiction of the FBI by putting it at DHS. So DHS was basically deputized. It was empowered through this obscure little cybersecurity agency to have the combined powers that the CIA has abroad with the jurisdiction of the FBI at home. And the way they did this, how did a cyber, an obscure little cybersecurity agency get this power was they did a funny little series of switcheroos. So this little thing called CISA, they didn't call it the Disinformation Governance Board. They didn't call it the Censorship Agency. They gave it an obscure little name that no one would notice called the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) who his founder said, we care about security so much, it's in our name twice. Everybody sort of closed their eyes and pretended that's what it was. CISA was created by Active Congress in 2018 because of the perceived threat that Russia had hacked the 2016 election.

And so we needed the cybersecurity power to be able to deal with that. And essentially on the heels of a CIA memo on January 6th, 2017 and a same day DHS executive order on January 6th, 2017, arguing that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election and a DHS mandate saying that elections are now critical infrastructure, you had this new power within DHS to say that cybersecurity attacks on elections are now our purview. And then they did two cute things. One they said said, miss dis and Malformation online are a form of cybersecurity attack. They are a cyber attack because they are happening online. And they said, well, actually Russian disinformation is we're actually protecting democracy and elections. We don't need a Russian predicate after Russiagate died. So just like that, you had this cybersecurity agency be able to legally make the argument that your tweets about mail-in ballots if you undermine public faith and confidence in them as a legitimate form of voting was now you were now conducting a cyber attack on US critical infrastructure articulating misinformation on Twitter and just like that.

Tucker Carlson:

Wait- in other words, complaining about election fraud is the same as taking down our power grid.

Mike Benz:

Yes, you could literally be on your toilet seat at nine 30 on a Thursday night and tweet, I think that mail-in ballots are illegitimate. And you were essentially then caught up in the crosshairs of the Department of Homeland Security classifying you as conducting a cyber attack on US critical infrastructure because you were doing misinformation online in the cyber realm. And misinformation is a cyber attack on democracy when it undermines public faith and confidence in our democratic elections and our democratic institutions, they would end up going far beyond that. They would actually define democratic institutions as being another thing that was a cybersecurity attack to undermine and lo and behold, the mainstream media is considered a democratic institution that would come later. What ended up happening was in the advance of the 2020 election, starting in April of 2020, although this goes back before you had this essentially never Trump NeoCon Republican DHS working with essentially NATO on the national security side and essentially the DNC, if you will, to use DHS as the launching point for a government coordinated mass censorship campaign spanning every single social media platform on earth in order to preens the ability to dispute the legitimacy of mail-in ballots.

And here's how they did this. They aggregated four different institutions. Stanford University, the University of Washington, a company called Graphica and the Atlantic Council. Now all four of these institutions, the centers within them were essentially Pentagon cutouts you had at the Stanford Air Observatory. It was actually run by Michael McFaul, if you know Michael McFaul. He was the US ambassador to Russia under the Obama administration, and he personally authored a seven step playbook for how to successfully orchestrate a color revolution. And part of that involved maintaining total control over media and social media juicing up the civil society outfits, calling elections illegitimate in order to. Now, mind you, all of these people were professional Russia, Gators and professional election delegitimizes in 2016, and then I'll get that in a sec. So Stanford, the Stanford Observatory under Michael McFaul was run by Alex Stamos, who was formerly a Facebook executive who coordinated with ODNI and with respect to Russiagate taking down Russian propaganda at Facebook.

So this is another liaison essentially to the national security state. And under Alex Stamos at Sanford Observatory was Renee Diresta, who started her career in the CIA and wrote the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian disinformation, and there's a lot more there that I'll get to another time. But the next institution was the University of Washington, which is essentially the Bill Gates University in Seattle who is headed by Kate Starboard, who is basically three generations of military brass who got our PhD in crisis informatics, essentially doing social media surveillance for the Pentagon and getting DARPA funding and working essentially with the national security state, then repurposed to take on mail-in ballots. The third firm Graphica got $7 million in Pentagon grants and got their start as part of the Pentagon's Minerva initiative. The Minerva Initiative is the Psychological Warfare Research Center of the Pentagon. This group was doing social media spying and narrative mapping for the Pentagon until the 2016 election happened, and then were repurposed into a partnership with the Department of Homeland Security to censor 22 million Trump tweets, pro-Trump tweets about mail-in ballots.

And then the fourth institution, as I mentioned, was the Atlantic Council who's got seven CIA directors on the board, so one after another. It is exactly what Ben Rhodes described during the Obama era as the blob, the Foreign Policy Establishment, it's the Defense Department, the State Department or the CIA every single time. And of course this was because they were threatened by Trump's foreign policy, and so while much of the censorship looks like it's coming domestically, it's actually by our foreign facing department of Dirty tricks, color revolution blob, who were professional government toppers who were then basically descended on the 2020 election.

Now they did this, they explicitly said the head of this election integrity partnership on tape and my foundation clipped them, and it's been played before Congress and it's a part of the Missouri Biden lawsuit now, but they explicitly said on tape that they were set up to do what the government was banned from doing itself, and then they articulated a multi-step framework in order to coerce all the tech companies to take censorship actions.

They said on tape that the tech companies would not have done it but for the pressure, which involved using threats of government force because they were the deputized arm of the government. They had a formal partnership with the DHS. They were able to use DHS' proprietary domestic disinformation switchboard to immediately talk to top brass at all the tech companies for takedowns, and they bragged on tape about how they got the tech companies to all systematically adopt a new terms of service speech violation ban called delegitimization, which meant any tweet, any YouTube video, any Facebook post, any TikTok video, any discord posts, any Twitch video, anything on the internet that undermine public faith and confidence in the use of mail-in ballots or early voting drop boxes or ballot tabulation issues on election day was a prima fascia terms of service violation policy under this new delegitimization policy that they only adopted because of pass through government pressure from the election integrity partnership, which they bragged about on tape, including the grid that they used to do this, and simultaneously invoking threats of government breaking them up or government stopping doing favors for the tech companies unless they did this as well as inducing crisis PR by working with their media allies.

And they said DHS could not do that themselves. And so they set up this basically constellation of State Department, Pentagon and IC networks to run this censorship campaign, which by their own math had 22 million tweets on Twitter alone, and mind you, they just on 15 platforms, this is hundreds of millions of posts which were all scanned and banned or throttled so that they could not be amplified or they exist in a sort of limited state purgatory or had these frictions affixed to them in the form of fact-checking labels where you couldn't actually click through the thing or you had to, it was an inconvenience to be able to share it. Now, they did this seven months before the election because at the time they were worried about the perceived legitimacy of a Biden victory in the case of a so-called Red Mirage Blue Shift event.

They knew the only way that Biden would win mathematically was through the disproportionate Democrat use of mail-in ballots. They knew there would be a crisis because it was going to look extremely weird if Trump looked like he won by seven states and then three days later it comes out actually the election switch, I mean that would put the election crisis of the Bush Gore election on a level of steroids that the National Security state said, well, the public will not be prepared for. So what we need to do is we need to in advance, we need to preens the ability to even question legitimacy.

Tucker Carlson:

Out, wait, wait, may I ask you to pause right there? Key influences by, so what you're saying is what you're suggesting is they knew the outcome of the election seven months before it was held.

Mike Benz:

It looks very bad.

Tucker Carlson:

Yes, Mike. It does look very bad
6   Patrick   2024 Feb 17, 1:11pm  

Mike Benz:

And especially when you combine this with the fact that this is right on the heels of the impeachment. The Pentagon led and the CIA led impeachment. It was Eric ? from the CIA, and it was Vindman from the Pentagon who led the impeachment of Trump in late 2019 over an alleged phone call around withholding Ukraine aid. This same network, which came straight out of the Pentagon hybrid warfare military censorship network, created after the first Ukraine crisis in 2014 were the lead architects of the Ukraine impeachment in 2019, and then essentially came back on steroids as part of the 2020 election censorship operation. But from their perspective, I mean it certainly looks like the perfect crime. These were the people. DHS at the time had actually federalized much of the National Election Administration through this January 6th, 2017 executive order from outgoing Obama. DHS had Jed Johnson, which essentially wrapped all 50 states up into a formal DHS partnership. So DHS was simultaneously in charge of the administration of the election in many respects, and the censorship of anyone who challenged the administration of the election. This is like putting essentially the defendant of a trial as the judge and jury of the trial. It was

Tucker Carlson:

Very, but you're not describing democracy. I mean, you're describing a country in which democracy is impossible.

Mike Benz:

What I'm essentially describing is military rule. I mean, what's happened with the rise of the censorship industry is a total inversion of the idea of democracy itself. Democracy sort draws its legitimacy from the idea that it is ruled by consent of the people being ruled. That is, it's not really being ruled by an overlord because the government is actually just our will expressed by our consent with who we vote for. The whole push after the 2016 election and after Brexit and after a couple of other social media run elections that went the wrong way from what the State Department wanted, like the 2016 Philippines election, was to completely invert everything that we described as being the underpinnings of a democratic society in order to deal with the threat of free speech on the internet. And what they essentially said is, we need to redefine democracy from being about the will of the voters to being about the sanctity of democratic institutions and who are the democratic institutions?

Oh, it's the military, it's NATO, it's the IMF and the World Bank. It's the mainstream media, it is the NGOs, and of course these NGOs are largely state department funded or IC funded. It's essentially all of the elite establishments that were under threat from the rise of domestic populism that declared their own consensus to be the new definition of democracy. Because if you define democracy as being the strength of democratic institutions rather than a focus on the will of the voters, then what you're left with is essentially democracy is just the consensus building architecture within the Democrat institutions themselves. And from their perspective, that takes a lot of work. I mean, the amount of work these people do. I mean, for example, we mentioned the Atlantic Council, which is one of these big coordinating mechanisms for the oil and gas industry in a region for the finance and the JP Morgans and the BlackRocks in a region for the NGOs in the region, for the media, in the region, all of these need to reach a consensus, and that process takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of work and a lot of negotiation from their perspective.

That's democracy. Democracy is getting the NGOs to agree with BlackRock, to agree with the Wall Street Journal, to agree with the community and activist groups who are onboarded with respect to a particular initiative that is the difficult vote building process from their perspective.

At the end of the day, a bunch of populous groups decide that they like a truck driver who's popular on TikTok more than the carefully constructed consensus of the NATO military brass. Well then from their perspective, that is now an attack on democracy, and this is what this whole branding effort was. And of course, democracy again has that magic regime change predicate where democracy is our magic watchword to be able to overthrow governments from the ground up in a sort of color revolution style whole of society effort to topple a democratically elected government from the inside, for example, as we did in Ukraine, Victor Jankovich was democratically elected by the Ukrainian people like him or hate him.

I'm not even issuing an opinion, but the fact is we color revolution him out of office. We January 6th out of office, actually, to be frank, I mean with respect to the, you had a state department funded right sector thugs and 5 billion worth of civil society money pumped into this to overthrow democratically elected government in the name of democracy, and they took that special set of skills home and now it's here, perhaps potentially to stay. And this has fundamentally changed the nature of American governance because of the threat of one small voice becoming popular on social media.

Tucker Carlson:

May I ask you a question? So into that group of institutions that you say now define democracy, the NGOs foreign policy establishment, et cetera, you included the mainstream media. Now in 2021, the NSA broke into my private text apps and read them and then leaked them to the New York Times against me. That just happened again to me last week, and I'm wondering how common that is for the Intel agencies to work with so-called mainstream media like the New York Times to hurt their opponents.

Mike Benz:

Well, that is the function of these interstitial government funded non-governmental organizations and think tanks like for example, we mentioned the Atlantic Council, which is NATO's think tank, but other groups like the Aspen Institute, which draws the lion's share of its funding from the State department and other government agencies. The Aspen Institute was busted doing the same thing with the Hunter Biden laptop censorship. You had this strange situation where the FBI had advanced knowledge of the pending publication of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and then magically the Aspen Institute, which is run by essentially former CIA, former NSA, former FBI, and then a bunch of civil society organizations all hold a mass stakeholder censorship simulation, a three day conference, this came out and yo Roth was there. This is a big part of the Twitter file leaks, and it's been mentioned in multiple congressional investigations.

But somehow the Aspen Institute, which is basically an addendum of the National Security state, got the exact same information that the National Security State spied on journalists and political figures to obtain, and not only leaked it, but then basically did a joint coordinated censorship simulator in September, two months before the election in order just like with the censorship of mail-in ballots to be in ready position to screens anyone online amplifying, wait a second, a news story that had not even broken yet.

Tucker Carlson:

The Aspen Institute, which is by the way, I've spent my life in Washington. It's kind a, I mean Walter Isaacson formerly of Time Magazine ran it, former president of CNNI had no idea it was part of the national security state. I had no idea its funding came from the US government. This is the first time I've ever heard that. But given, assuming what you're saying is true, it's a little weird or starnge that Walter Isaacson left Aspens to write a biography of Elon Musk?

Mike Benz:

No? Yeah, I don't know. I haven't read that book. From what I've heard from people, it's a relatively fair treatment. I just total speculation. But I suspect that Walter Isaacson has struggled with this issue and may not even firmly fall in one particular place in the sense that Walter Isaacson did a series of interviews of Rick Gel actually with the Atlantic Council and in other settings where he interviewed Rick Gel specifically on the issue of the need to get rid of the First Amendment and the threat that free speech on social media poses to democracy. Now, at the time, I was very concerned, this was between 2017 and 2019 when he did these Rick Stangle interviews. I was very concerned because Isaacson expressed what seemed to me to be a highly sympathetic view about the Rick Stengel perspective on killing the First Amendment. Now, he didn't formally endorse that position, but it left me very skittish about Isaacson.

But what I should say is at the time, I don't think very many people, in fact, I know virtually nobody in the country had any idea how deep the rabbit hole went when it came to the construction of the censorship industry and how deep the tentacles had grown within the military and the national security state in order to buoy and consolidate it. Much of that frankly did not even come to public light until even last year. Frankly, some of that was galvanized by Elon Musk's acquisition and the Twitter files and the Republican turnover in the house that allowed these multiple investigations, the lawsuits like Missouri v Biden and the discovery process there and multiple other things like the Disinformation governance board, who, by the way, the interim head of that, the head of that Nina Janowitz got her start in the censorship industry from this exact same clandestine intelligence community censorship network created after the 2014 Crimea situation.

Nina Janowitz, when her name came up in 2022 as part of the disinformation governance board, I almost fell out of my chair because I had been tracking Nina's network for almost five years at that point when her name came up as part of the UK inner cluster cell of a busted clandestine operation to censor of the internet called the Integrity Initiative, which was created by the UK Foreign Office and was backed by NATO's Political Affairs Unit in order to carry out this thing that we talked about at the beginning of this dialogue, the NATO sort of psychological inoculation and the ability to kill, so-called Russian propaganda or rising political groups who wanted to maintain energy relations with Russia at a time when the US was trying to kill the Nord Stream and other pipeline relations. Well,

Well, Nina Janowitz was a part of this outfit, and then who was the head of it after Nina Janowitz went down, it was Michael Chertoff and Michael Chertoff was running the Aspen Institute Cyber Group. And then the Aspen Institute then goes on to be the censorship simulator for the Hunter Biden laptop story. And then two years later, Chertoff is then the head of the disinformation governance board after Nina is forced to step down.

Tucker Carlson:

Tucker Carlson: Of course, Michael Chertoff was the chairman of the largest military contractor in Europe, BAE military. So it's all connected. You've blown my mind so many times in this conversation that I'm going to need a nap directly after it's done. So I've just got two more questions for you, one short one, a little longer short. One is for people who've made it this far an hour in and want to know more about this topic. And by the way, I hope you'll come back whenever you have the time to explore different threads of this story. But for people who want to do research on their own, how can your research on this be found on the internet?

Mike Benz:

Sure. So our foundation is https://foundationforfreedomonline.com/ We publish all manner of reports on every aspect of the censorship industry from what we talked about with the role of the military industrial complex and the national security state to what the universities are doing to, I sometimes refer to as digital MK Ultra. There's just the field of basically the science of censorship and the funding of these psychological manipulation methods in order to nudge people into different belief systems as they did with covid, as they did with energy. And every sensitive policy issue is what they essentially had an ambition for. But so my foundationforfreedomonline.com website is one way. The other way is just on X. My handle is at @MikeBenzCyber. I'm very active there and publish a lot of long form video and written content on all this. I think it's one of the most important issues in the world today.

Tucker Carlson:

So it certainly is. And so that leads directly and seamlessly to my final question, which is about X. And I'm not just saying this because I post content there, but I think objectively it's the last big platform that's free or sort of free or more free. You post there too, but we're at the very beginning of an election year with a couple of different wars unfolding simultaneously in 2024. So do you expect that that platform can stay free for the duration of this year?

Mike Benz:

It's under an extraordinary amount of pressure, and that pressure is going to continue to mount as the election approaches. Elon Musk is a very unique individual, and he has a unique buffer, perhaps when it comes to the national security state because the national security state is actually quite reliant on Elon Musk properties, whether that's for the electrical, the Green Revolution when it comes to Tesla and the battery technology there. When it comes to SpaceX, the State Department is hugely dependent on SpaceX because of its unbelievable sort of pioneering and saturating presence in the field of low earth orbit satellites that are basically how our telecom system runs to things like starlink. There are dependencies that the National Security state has on Elon Musk. I'm not sure he'd have as much room to negotiate if he had become the world's richest man selling at a lemonade stand, and if the national security state goes too hard on him by invoking something like CFIUS to sort of nationalize some of these properties.

I think the shock wave that it would send to the international investor community would be irrecoverable at a time when we're engaged in great power competition. So they're trying to sort of induce, I think a sort of corporate regime change through a series of things involving a sort of death by a thousand paper cuts. I think there's seven or eight different Justice Department or SEC or FTC investigations into Elon Musk properties that all started after his acquisition of X. But then what they're trying to do right now is what I call the Transatlantic Flank Attack 2.0. We talked in this dialogue about how the censorship industry really got its start when a bunch of State Department exiles who were expecting promotions took their special set of skills in coercing European countries to pass sanctions on themselves, to cut off their own leg off to spite themselves in order to pass sanctions on Russia.
7   Patrick   2024 Feb 17, 1:11pm  

They ran back that same playbook with doing a roadshow for censorship instead for sanctions. We are now witnessing Transatlantic Flank attack 2.0, if you will, which is because they have lost a lot of their federal government powers to do this same censorship operation they had been doing from 2018 to 2022. In part because the house has totally turned on them, in part because of the media, in part because Missouri v Biden, which won a slam dunk case, actually banning government censorship at the trial court and appellate court levels. It is now before the Supreme Court, they've now moved into two strategies.

One of them is state level censorship laws. California just passed a new law, which the censorship industry totally drove from start to finish around, they call it platform accountability and transparency, which is basically forcing Elon Musk to give over the kind of narrative mapping data that these CIA conduits and Pentagon cutouts were using to create these weapons of mass deletion, these abilities to just censor everything at scale because they had all the internal platform data. Elon Musk took that away.

They're using state laws like this new California law to crack that open. But the major threat right now is the threat from Europe with something called the EU Digital Services Act, which was cooked up in tandem with folks like NewsGuard, which has a board of Michael Hayden, head of the CIA NSA and a Fourstar General. Rick Stengel is on that board from the state department's propaganda office. Tom Ridge is on that board from the Department of Homeland Security. Oh, and Anders Fogh Rasmussen - he was the general secretary of NATO under the Obama administration. So you have NATO, the CIA, the NSA four star General DHS, and the State Department working with the EU to craft the censorship laws that now are the largest existential threat to X other than potentially advertiser boycotts. Because there is now disinformation is now banned as a matter of law in the EU.

The EU is a bigger market for X than the us. There's only 300 million in the USA. But there is 450 million people in Europe. X is now forced to comply with this brand new law that just got ratified this year where they either need to forfeit 6% of their global annual revenue to the EU to maintain operations there, or put in place essentially the kind of CIA bumper cars, if you will, that I've been describing over the course of this in order to have a internal mechanism to sensor anything that the eu, which is just a proxy for NATO deems to be disinformation. And you can bet with 65 elections around the globe this year, you can predict every single time what they're going to define disinformation as. So that's the main fight right now is dealing with the transatlantic flank attack from Europe.

Tucker Carlson:

This is just one of the most remarkable stories I've ever heard, and I'm grateful to you for bringing it to us. Mike Benz, executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, and I hope we see you again in

Mike Benz:

Thanks, Tucker.

Tucker Carlson:

Free speech is bigger than any one person or any one organization. Societies are defined by what they will not permit. What we're watching is the total inversion of virtue.
8   Patrick   2024 Feb 17, 3:15pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/privileges-saturday-february-17-2024


Look no further for your weekend listening. Tucker just published his latest interview, this one with Mike Benz, a former Trump State Department official who’s testified in congressional hearings such as the House Weaponization Committee, and is the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online. The interview — badly under-billed as a discussion about ‘free speech’ — is being described as one of Tucker’s most important interviews yet. It’s a knockout.

Tucker: “Wait a minute. It looks like they knew the outcome of the election seven months ahead of time.”

Benz: “It looks very bad.”

EPISODE 75: Tucker Carlson interviews Mike Benz (1:04:45) For right now, to give you a quick high-level overview, I found this three-minute clip including the rhetorical high-point of Benz’s talk: CLIP: Mike Benz describes the re-definition of democracy (2:48).

In an hour, Benz easily and credibly connected so many dots it is hard to adequately describe. You might even call it a “theory of everything.” Tucker barely spoke. Benz talks fast, a rushing verbal stream spouting facts and names and data, slightly jumbled by a smidge of occasional wonkyiness. But Ben’s quick facility with the information also lends credibility, and listening to him explain what’s really going on is like watching in fast motion someone put a difficult ‘starry sky’ puzzle together.

Blam, blam, blam, the pieces keep plopping into place and you quickly start to see a new and unexpected vista — and then suddenly you get it, you know what it is, before the puzzle is even halfway done.

Benz started by summarizing the history of online “free speech.” It will not surprise you that it was always a military operation, beginning with the Internet itself (just ask Al Gore), and was extended by Pentagon-picked winners like Sergey Brin of Google, whose search engine company started with a DARPA grant. From the start of the Internet till shortly before the 2020 election, the military-intelligence complex loved free speech online; it was their best non-kinetic weapon and they liberally deployed it against foreign enemies, over and over.

In the process, they created a government-toppling, color-revolution-fomenting playbook for undermining ‘anti-democratic’ societies through subversive online speech and protest — what the toppled governments probably accurately called ‘disinformation.’

For short, I will collectively refer to the shady, permanent, parasitic underclass of the federal government and its captive horde of quasi-governmental, “public/private” NGOs, plus the swarming Neocons within the CIA, State Department, Pentagon/DoD, FBI, and now DHS, all together as the “Deep State.”

Tellingly, the Deep State playbook for starting a color revolution included using online free speech against our enemies (and against uncooperative allies) specifically by undermining confidence in elections and keeping handy large groups of standby protestors for immediate deployment whenever and wherever needed, which could be (and were) activated and directed through online posts and bulletin boards and so forth.

Stop for a second. Now you know why they freaked out and overreacted about 2021 ‘election deniers’ and January 6th protestors. To the Deep State, the grassroots pushback against the stolen election on social media involving a large Capitol protest looked just like their own color revolution playbook.

Anyway, picking up the timeline, back during the Internet’s salad years, the Deep State found free speech essential to democratic government, and routinely pounded the U.N.’s giant conference table demanding the Internet remain free for all everywhere in the world. They kept a firm grip — what Benz calls “guardrails” — on the U.S. electorate through corporate media “gatekeepers.”

But sometime shortly after Trump’s election, the Deep State’s love affair with free speech soured. It wasn’t just Trump. It was the whole rising rightwing nationalism, a movement deeply skeptical of the Big Government globalist institutions responsible for picking governmental winners and losers. The right wing was deeply skeptical of the Deep State itself.

The Deep State was shocked to see its own tools being used organically, by voters, to choose forms of government that were not approved by the Deep State, and to oppose the Deep State’s appointed darlings, like Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, or to help effect Brexit, or to elect Trump. Worse, social media was replacing their captive media outlets and they were losing control of the narrative.

And so what they did was re-define free speech into something inherently anti-democratic. Unapproved speech, or politically-unhelpful speech, is now misinformation or disinformation or malinformation.

In other words, rather than being a critical part of its very essence, free speech became a threat to democracy. Which is kind of like saying that the heart began to threaten the head.

I’ve transcribed the part of Ben’s talk where I snatched up a pen and started writing as fast as I could (lightly-edited for clarity and to add context):

“What I am describing is military rule, a total inversion of the concept of democracy itself. What they said was, ‘We need to re-define democracy from being about the will of the voters, to being about the sanctity of democratic institutions. Which is us,’ (meaning the WEF, the Pentagon, the State Department, Blackrock, the NGO’s, the very same Elite Establishments that right-wing voters distrust.)

(Rather than voters), they declared their own consensus to be the new definition of democracy. ‘Democracy’ is just the consensus-building architecture within the democratic institutions themselves.”

Paradoxically, they view us, the voters, as the chief danger to democracy. I would not believe it possible if I hadn’t just watched them glibly re-define ‘vaccine’ and ‘gain of function’ like they were trying on outfits after stealing some poor woman’s Louis Vuitton off the airport luggage conveyor. Ultimately, Benz goes on to connect this grotesque re-definition of democracy, the “threat” posed to ‘democracy’ by voters and our free speech, to the 2020 election, Russia-gate, the Orwellian CISA censorship agency (which he described as a mutant hybrid of the CIA and the FBI), and by extension virtually everything else important happening in the news right now, not least of all why they must stop Trump at all costs.

To me, the timing of this interview looks like another careful move in the as-yet-undefinable drama unfolding this month. The information Benz disclosed is all publicly available, but Benz coherently ties it all together and names names.

To defeat an enemy, the first thing you need to know is: who is the enemy? And where are they?

Benz just tore off the enemy’s mask. The military-intelligence axis isn’t fighting ‘for democracy.’ They are fighting to preserve a failed, unwanted, liberal world order that has long since died and is well into the stinky decaying phase.

If learning Benz’s explanation feels overwhelming instead of empowering, stop thinking of winning in terms of a single apocalyptic battle. Try thinking about winning a war of inches, a guerrilla war waged in a thousand thousand tiny battles, from the halls of Congress right down to Penciltuckee’s School Board meeting room. Or if it ever comes to that, think about winning as a war of quiet resistance and stubborn noncompliance.

You can be quietly stubborn, can’t you?

Finally, I was so shocked by learning this that I am leaving you with Michael McFaul’s “7 Pillars of Color Revolution,” which has been the Deep State’s playbook for the last 20 years or so. Everyone needs to know that this is how they undermine democracies. Don’t be fooled by McFaul’s Orwellian reference to “semi-autocratic” regimes; he’s talking about us. After all, free speech is required for this formula to work, and free speech is not a feature of autocratic governments (by definition!). It is, after all, nearly undeniable that they successfully deployed this strategy to overthrow Ukraine’s government in 2014:




That’s straight from their own white papers. Does any of it sound familiar? It should. Let me know what you think in the comments.
9   Patrick   2024 Feb 18, 5:13pm  

Bump.

I really read the transcript and boy oh boy is this the best explanation of most of the weirdness lately.
10   Patrick   2024 Feb 18, 5:18pm  

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23a243_7l48.pdf


This case concerns what two lower courts found to be a
“coordinated campaign” by high-level federal officials to
suppress the expression of disfavored views on important
public issues. Missouri v. Biden, _ F. 4th _, _, 2023
WL 6425697, *27 (CA5, Oct. 3, 2023). To prevent the continuation of this campaign, these officials were enjoined
from either “coerc[ing]” social media companies to engage
in such censorship or “active[ly] control[ling]” those companies’ decisions about the content posted on their platforms.
Id., at 7, 15. Today, however, a majority of the Court,
without undertaking a full review of the record and without
any explanation, suspends the effect of that injunction until
the Court completes its review of this case, an event that
may not occur until late in the spring of next year. Government censorship of private speech is antithetical to our
democratic form of government, and therefore today’s decision is highly disturbing. ...

On appeal, the Court of Appeals agreed with the District
Court’s assessment of the evidence, which, in its words,
showed the existence of “a coordinated campaign” of unprecedented “magnitude orchestrated by federal officials
that jeopardized a fundamental aspect of American life.”
Missouri v. Biden, 2023 WL 6425697, *27. The Court of
Appeals found that “the district court was correct in its assessment—‘unrelenting pressure’ from certain government
officials likely ‘had the intended result of suppressing millions of protected free speech postings by American citizens.’”
11   Patrick   2024 Feb 18, 8:32pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/a-new-hopium-sunday-february-18-2024


Yesterday some people felt despondent, distressed, and discouraged by Mike Benz’s revelation of the nefarious forces opposing democracy. Today’s morale-boosting post will be based on three principles. ...

But Jeff, I can hear some of you saying, what can we do? How can we possibly fight a sprawling, shadowy, sinister military-intelligence axis? I will suggest that is the wrong question but I will answer it anyway.

The Good News

First we must correct any misunderstanding that yesterday’s Tucker interview was somehow bad news. It wasn’t; it was actually good news. Let me give you an example.

Suppose you started having bad headaches, especially — but not always — whenever you saw a badly written, politically-correct remake movie. But then it gets progressively worse, mutating into migraines triggered by drag brunches, generals in high heels, and bald, lipsticked, luggage lifting nuclear waste officials. It even happens without cheap female knockoffs of traditional male leads, lacking any story arc, character flaws, or internal struggles. It seems serious, so you finally give in and trot off to see the neurologist, fearing the worst. Brain cancer? An inoperable clot somewhere? Mangled neurons? Or even … a toxic allergy to wokeness?

After many time-consuming tests, scans of sensitive spots, penetrating probes, and intimate interviews, followed by worrisome weeks of endless waiting for word, the doctor finally dishes the diagnosis. It’s a brain parasite, toxoplasmii Pelosi, and the doctor recommends immediate brain surgery to wriggle out the damnable worm, plus six weeks of bed rest, a year of IV antibiotics, and your solemn promise to cut back to a dozen house cats max.

You trudge out the doctor’s office, dial your spouse with numb fingers, and explain the diagnosis. But your spouse seems oddly excited. “No,” they explain, “this is actually good news! At least now we know what it is and how to fix it.”

In his Tucker interview, Mike Benz didn’t tell us anything about any new problem. He ably revealed a slow-motion disaster unfolding for a long time. The CIA’s dirty tricks only metastasized and took on a new form, responding to the new environment of social media and the Internet. “Conspiracy theorists” have been complaining for decades about media’s capture by government (see, e.g. ‘Project Mockingbird’) but there has never been any collective will to resist, change, or even admit there was a problem.

Probably because it didn’t seem to really affect regular folks. Well, that’s changed, hasn’t it?

It’s changed a lot. You have to work awfully hard to believe nobody’s doing anything. Now there’s a major Supreme Court case that is right on point (Missouri v. Biden). There’s relentless disclosure of Deep State’s dirty tricks like Tucker’s interview. There are citizens like Mike Benz and Joe Rogan and Elon Musk who are well-funded and working day and night to expose them.

And there is a growing group of millions of highly-concerned citizens who are not just willing to listen but are eager to learn. As of this morning, Tucker’s Mike Benz interview has nearly 25 million views. Tucker’s interview with Putin has surpassed 200 million views. Like antibodies assembling to resist a marxist mind virus, the culture is changing. ...

We are stronger than we think.

If the bad actors had the power to pull our plug, they’d have already done it. If they were secure in their powers, they wouldn’t have to operate in the dark. They obviously aren’t secure, nor are they all-powerful. However “close” you might think they are, they clearly aren’t there yet. Which means we — at least collectively — are still more powerful than they are.

They’re afraid of us.

To retain and grow their power, the globalist oligarchs can need a substantial part of society to support and protect them. Once the forces opposing them reach a certain critical mass, which is probably far below a majority, it’s all over for them. That’s why they have to censor and obfuscate. That’s why they have to bend the law to the breaking point and create all-new ‘disinformation’ agencies.

The social antibodies are already beginning to work. The globalist viruses are weakening. As Exhibit A, behold the short and unremarkable career of former Harvard President and grotesque DEI caricature Claudia Gay...

The best cure for worry is doing something practical. If you don’t know what else to do, do local, local, local. Oppose porn and drag at the local school board meeting. Support local freedom candidates, or support an influencer who is moving the needle and not just doomblogging. Go get on the library board. Volunteer at the local Republican Party and start earning a voice with your sweat equity. When you disagree with other conservatives, and you will, don’t take your toys and go home. Compromise for now, and work to build consensus over time.

Together we will lift the parasitic Death Star and stuff it right into the globalists’ reverse aperture. Now get out there and keep lifting, you joyful warriors.
12   Patrick   2024 Feb 18, 8:33pm  

https://merylnass.substack.com/p/mike-benz-is-the-best-person-in-the


Epoch Times spent about 3 hours with Mike Benz more than a year ago, with Jan Jekielek, and I listened to the whole thing 2 or 3 times. Benz worked on cyber issues for the State Department, and now leads the Foundation for Freedom Online.

The new Tucker Carlson interview (actually a tour de force monologue by Benz) was posted yesterday, and already has 21 Million views.

Please listen, and do so more than once. Mike Benz’ information is critical to understand, and he works very hard to get it all out. You can subscribe to his twitter feed for a measly sum. He is risking his life to give us this understanding.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1758529993280205039
15   RayAmerica   2024 Feb 19, 11:18am  

Recall how the Drudge Report started out, much like Wikileaks, as a site that posted information from inside sources within the government. Back then, Drudge was a professed conservative that only wanted to function as a truth telling journalist. He did in fact break many news stories that were 'missed' by the Mainstream Media. Later, along with his friend Ann Coulter, Drudge was an early supporter of Donald Trump in 2016. Something happened, however, prior to the 2020 election. Coulter began heavily criticizing Trump and Drudge began posting only negative news on Trump. What changed? What we know now is that the Drudge Report is no longer a source for reliable information. It's not much more than a reflection of the Mainstream propaganda. What happened? Did the CIA offer Drudge and his friend Coulter an offer that they couldn't refuse, or, were they CIA plants in the first place? Whatever the case, independent people with an influential foot print risk being silenced by some very powerful people. If they don't cooperate, the entire wrath of the government will come down on them. Witness Trump.
16   RayAmerica   2024 Feb 19, 4:20pm  

If you haven't watched this Tucker Carlson/Mike Benz interview, you are really missing out on something special. Take the time to watch it, and pass it on!
19   Patrick   2024 Aug 14, 5:01pm  

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/tucker-and-dave-smith

An attempted assassination, followed by a coup. It makes you wonder what’s next. Dave Smith has some ideas.
(1:03) Dave Smith’s 2024 Predictions
(8:34) Who Is the President Right Now?
(12:39) The Greatest Scandal in American History
(19:34) The Deep State Coming Out of the Shadows
(33:30) The Trump Assassination Attempt
(43:25) Tim Walz’s War on Nicotine and Testosterone
(54:38) Jeffrey Epstein
(1:09:37) What Should Trump Be Running On?
(1:34:12) Joe Rogan, Donald Trump, and Bobby Kennedy
(1:57:19) Foreign Wars and NATO
(2:00:16) How Does Dave Feel About the Future?
20   Patrick   2024 Aug 14, 7:38pm  

That was a really excellent interview.
21   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 14, 8:24pm  

Anyone who says that KGB takover of Crimea by military force and fake "plebiscite" is expression of "hearts and minds bla-bla" is either stupid cunt or a KGB stooge.
22   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 14, 8:26pm  

Wait, did you just say that it was a better interview than one with OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER? How is this possible?
23   Patrick   2024 Aug 14, 8:27pm  

You still believe the US propaganda?
24   Nomograph   2024 Aug 14, 9:36pm  

Patrick says

The defining fact of the United States is freedom of speech. To the extent this country is actually exceptional, it's because we have the first amendment in the Bill of Rights. We have freedom of conscience. We can say what we really think.


The First Amendment prohibits congress from enacting laws that abridge freedom of speech. It does not mean the Google, or Meta, or anybody else needs to provide you with a platform to exercise your freedom. It is your responsibility to do so, and if nobody cares about what you say or wishes to provide you with a loudhorn, too bad. Your freedom of speech is not being abridged by the government.

The first amendment and freedom of speech is alive and well; this website and Mr. Benz's are proof of that.

In fact, if Google, Meta, or anyone else was not allowed to control the content on their platforms, that would be an abridgement of their freedom of speech, as they would be prevented from expressing and executing their opinions and ideas as to what belongs on their platforms.
25   Patrick   2024 Aug 14, 9:46pm  

Nomograph says

It does not mean the Google, or Meta, or anybody else needs to provide you with a platform to exercise your freedom.


@Nomograph

The problem is that the Biden White House was giving explicit direction to tech companies on what information it wanted them to censor.
26   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Aug 16, 5:55am  

watched it, was very informative. frightening how much power those people have. and they are all connected with MIC, hand in hand. to me that explains why we like every war and regime change.
27   Patrick   2024 Aug 28, 9:48pm  

New winner for best Tucker interview yet, and it's Benz again!

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1828918312069128268


Pavel Durov? Mike Benz explains.

(1:20) Who Was Involved in Pavel Durov’s Arrest?
(15:50) How Telegram Is Used by the CIA
(27:22) Domestic Policy Doesn’t Exist
(34:19) The Redefining of Democracy
(39:21) The Biggest Threat to NATO
(44:16) What Is DARPA?
(1:02:53) WhatsApp and the Facebook Files
(1:13:34) Does Putin Have a Back Door to Telegram?
(1:19:12) The Red Lines Memo to Zelensky
(1:28:09) The Real Motive Behind Durov’s Arrest
(1:43:51) The Deep State vs. Donald Trump
(1:50:46) Will They Take Out Elon Musk Next?
(2:04:27) Would Benz Join a Trump Administration?
28   Patrick   2024 Aug 29, 10:45am  

Things I learned from that interview:

The West suspects that Russia has a backdoor into Telegram, giving them an advantage in various wars.

The Russian military itself uses Telegram, so it would be an immense win for homo-globo incorporated if it could get its own back door to spy on Russia.

The US loved freedom of speech and Telegram when it could use those to undermine uncooperative foreign governments. But after Trump got elected and Brexit passed, the State Department, CIA, DoD, etc decided that freedom of speech and Telegram were dangerous to their power. They implemented a mass censorship campaign by influencing corporations and creating "fact checkers".

They also redefined "democracy" to mean the consensus of State Department, CIA, DoD, etc rather than the will of the people.

The war in Ukraine is largely about NATO attempting to gain control over and profits from the natural resources of Ukraine.

France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, and that in turn depends on uranium from their former colony Niger, which recently came under the Russian sphere of influence, probably because Russia was quite annoyed at France for its stance on the war in Ukraine.

The biggest lobbyist by far, the US Chamber of Commerce (the "CoC"), decided it didn't like Trump because he was focused on America too much. The largest share of US-based homo-globo profits are now from international operations. So concentrating on America rather than global domination threatens the profits of those companies.

All homo-globo companies are reliant on the US State Department and military to impose their homo-globo interests abroad, whether other countries like it or not. Microsoft, for example, makes the majority of its income outside the US. To prevent any kind of adverse rulings or sanctions by other countries, Microsoft relies ultimately on the US military. In return, Microsoft provides the US military with backdoors into Windows to facilitate spying.
30   Patrick   2024 Sep 3, 9:17am  

Patrick says

New winner for best Tucker interview yet, and it's Benz again!


https://nitter.poast.org/TCNetwork/status/1830649349472453102#m

31   AmericanKulak   2024 Sep 3, 11:34am  

I didn't like this Darryl bozo, he's got internalized Leftism.

A reminder that Churchill wasn't in the government at all, but a backbencher with no power and booed by his own party and Labour together, until after Poland was invaded. Then he was only in charge of the Navy. It wasn't until after the disaster at Dunkirk that he became Prime Minister, May 1940.

When Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland in 1936 with a scratch force of a few hundred motorcyclists, they had strict instructions to immediately flee if they encounted any resistance whatsoever, including a few police with pistols and a car blocking the road. Imagine if Churchill had been in any office - Foreign Office, Admiralty, much less PM - then. All of WW2 and the disaster of Hitler and then Stalin murdering their way through Eastern Europe would have never happened. Hitler gave the USSR a half century of life.

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