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2023 Mar 3, 5:38pm   8,355 views  131 comments

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What are you guy's opinion on debt?

As interest rates rise, the math says that it's better if invest any spare cash rather than pay down debt, which is at a low fixed rate (house, student loan, small car loan). However, particularly with the mortgage, there is something to be said for the peace of mind of having it behind me and owning my home outright. I'm fully funding my 401(k), and have a six month emergency fund, but until now, any "free cash" beyond that, I've been diverting to the mortgage. As I sit right now, the goal is have it paid off in the next 5 to 7 years. With high yield savings paying about 4% right now, that's a 1% spread relative to my 3% mortgage.

As much as I could try to invest in the market 1) I'm not that good, and 2) the market has more or less peaked, and I don't see another major bull market given that we are seeing the end of the "everything bubble". Once I own the house free and clear, then I'll have plenty of "play money" to invest or whatever and hopefully catch the next upswing.

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65   beershrine   2024 Aug 9, 8:00pm  

30 billion deficit month after month means they will have to get it back with inflation, interest, taxes and the climate fraud. Those 5% bank rates only extend out 5 years that will be here soon after that who knows.
66   AD   2024 Aug 9, 9:39pm  

Eric Holder says

AD says

gas prices conveniently or "miraculously" increased after the 2022 midterms because of how they manipulated and misused the strategic oil reserve

Gas prices are creeping up now. It can't be good for the incumbent. Why aren't they "manipulating" them down?


Because they already drawn a lot of oil from the strategic reserves for about 7 months before the 2022 midterm election.

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67   AD   2024 Aug 9, 9:42pm  

They'll just let the Trump tax cuts expire in 2025. There is not enough consensus in Congress now (and likely in 2025 to 2027) to at least partially renew them.

So that extra tax receipts or revenue will go to reduce the deficits (increase "net income" or cash flow) if the federal government can restrain spending increases.

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68   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Aug 9, 11:41pm  

AD says


So that extra tax receipts or revenue will go to reduce the deficits (increase "net income" or cash flow) if the federal government can restrain spending increases.


There will be no 'extra' tax receipts or revenue. In fact, it will go down.

The tax cuts were not for 'the rich' as the media falsely claims but for the middle class at the expense of said rich. Example, the rich's precious SALT deduction will be restored. The Treasury will lose hundreds of billions in revenue when that happens.

Then there are the Laffer Curve effects blown away from the reversion of the business tax code back to what it was.
69   HeadSet   2024 Aug 10, 7:44am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

The tax cuts were not for 'the rich' as the media falsely claims but for the middle class at the expense of said rich. Example, the rich's precious SALT deduction will be restored. The Treasury will lose hundreds of billions in revenue when that happens.

Then there are the Laffer Curve effects blown away from the reversion of the business tax code back to what it was.

Absolutely true.
70   EBGuy   2024 Aug 10, 11:56pm  

Patrick says

Damn, if you could borrow at 2.1% and buy US Treasuries at 4.5%, you'd have a perpetual money machine.

Ding, ding, ding... our fearless leader points out the yen carry trade before it went south. Feels like old times. Wonder what other secrets are hiding in our financial systems...
72   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Aug 13, 7:23pm  

Oh looky!

Democrats are suddenly concerned about the national debt!


73   The_Deplorable   2024 Aug 15, 2:19pm  




"One quarter of the war budget would have fixed Social Security for the next seventy-five years."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-2-trillion-war-44421/
74   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 16, 7:54am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


Oh looky!

Democrats are suddenly concerned about the national debt!





... but "conservatives" suddenly don't mind neither $5K child credit nor $20 Federal min wage. And I suspect if their guy came up with the idea of POTUS not allowing potatos to get more expensive they would love it too. (They hate, HATE it now).

🤡 world.
75   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Aug 16, 9:10am  

RWSGFY says

but "conservatives" suddenly don't mind neither $5K child credit nor $20 Federal min wage. And I suspect if their guy came up with the idea of POTUS not allowing potatos to get more expensive they would love it too. (They hate, HATE it now).

🤡 world.


You forgot to include the word 'Soviet' in that bs.
76   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Aug 16, 9:17am  

Much of this debt is denominated in USD or currencies with reserves denominated in USD.

That is a LOT of future demand for USD. So I doubt the dollar is going to crash soon.


77   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 16, 9:25am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

RWSGFY says


but "conservatives" suddenly don't mind neither $5K child credit nor $20 Federal min wage. And I suspect if their guy came up with the idea of POTUS not allowing potatos to get more expensive they would love it too. (They hate, HATE it now).

🤡 world.


You forgot to include the word 'Soviet' in that bs.


Thanks, bud. Here you go: Soviet Union had price controls on everything (and empty shelves and long lines in every store) and paid assembly line type of workers 2x-7x more than it paid engeneers. And it was (and still is) a shithole as a result of these sound and conservative econ policies.

I bet if I presented it like "people who get sweaty turning wrenches and doing REAL WORK should be paid MOAR than the assholes whose job is to tap on a keyboard and drag a mouse around", I'd get many "conservatives" latch on that lure. 🤡
79   AD   2024 Aug 16, 11:24am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says









yes, and Harris said in a campaign stop in Pennsylvania she will support fracking

she thinks she is going to bamboozle enough independent voters

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80   WookieMan   2024 Aug 16, 11:41am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says







As a parent, I don't want either. Lower the overall cost of living. We have the resources. A bit behind on manufacturing, but it's welfare at the core of it. I don't want money I didn't earn. No one should. Because it will expected in the future and never go away. No one will be motivated.

I don't care if it looks like she's copying JD. They're both wrong. Unless you're disabled, work. Or support someone that works. Government hand outs should make most men feel weak. Scary that it doesn't.
81   mell   2024 Aug 16, 12:27pm  

WookieMan says


DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says








As a parent, I don't want either. Lower the overall cost of living. We have the resources. A bit behind on manufacturing, but it's welfare at the core of it. I don't want money I didn't earn. No one should. Because it will expected in the future and never go away. No one will be motivated.

I don't care if it looks like she's copying JD. They're both wrong. Unless you're disabled, work. Or support someone that works. Government hand outs should make most men feel weak. Scary that it doesn't.


It's not a hand out if you're taxed too much to begin with, or taxed at all. To make this go away, come up with a flat tax of 15%-20% max for everyone, regardless of source of income. Otherwise it's valid as society will break down without kids wiping boomers asses
82   AD   2024 Aug 16, 2:00pm  

mell says


It's not a hand out if you're taxed too much to begin with, or taxed at all. To make this go away, come up with a flat tax of 15%-20% max for everyone, regardless of source of income. Otherwise it's valid as society will break down without kids wiping boomers asses


right now based on what my neighbors told me, their household our effective federal tax rate is around 20% including social security and medicare tax (for self employment)

so 80% remains ... let's call it 80 ...about 40% of that (32) is spent locally so the sales tax rate (6% Florida and 1% county) is applied

about 40% of their total gross income is spent on housing (mortgage, property tax, property insurance and HOA fee) and about 10% of that 40% goes to property tax

(100/100) x 20% + (32/100) x 7% + (40/100) x 10% = 20% + 2.24% +4% = 26.24%

about 26.24% of their gross income goes to federal taxes, state/county sales tax, and property tax

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83   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Aug 16, 3:08pm  

mell says

Otherwise it's valid as society will break down without kids wiping boomers asses


Robots.
84   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Aug 16, 3:10pm  

mell says

Otherwise it's valid as society will break down without kids wiping boomers asses


Robots. AD says

is around 20% including social security and medicare tax (for self employment)


They are part of the 50% that pretty much only pay FICA and either zero or little federal income taxes, then.
85   Onvacation   2024 Aug 16, 7:08pm  

mell says

It's not a hand out if you're taxed too much to begin with, or taxed at all.

Are they promising a cash payment? Or a tax credit? You can't get a credit on your taxes unless you pay taxes.
86   Misc   2024 Aug 16, 7:52pm  

Onvacation says

mell says


It's not a hand out if you're taxed too much to begin with, or taxed at all.

Are they promising a cash payment? Or a tax credit? You can't get a credit on your taxes unless you pay taxes.


Wanna bet ????

Plenty of welfare Hoes do exactly that.
87   HeadSet   2024 Aug 16, 8:10pm  

Onvacation says

You can't get a credit on your taxes unless you pay taxes.

Yes, you can. The EIC can give you a refund when you do not pay taxes. It is a negative income tax.
88   Misc   2024 Aug 16, 8:50pm  

HeadSet says

Onvacation says


You can't get a credit on your taxes unless you pay taxes.

Yes, you can. The EIC can give you a refund when you do not pay taxes. It is a negative income tax.


Same with child tax credits.
89   AD   2024 Aug 16, 11:06pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


mell says

Otherwise it's valid as society will break down without kids wiping boomers asses

Robots.


That is why I see more productivity gains with senior care. They'll use technology to double the number of seniors cared for by 1 nurses aid or LPN.

Also expect to see more work visas for nurses aids.

Senior care will be a growth industry.

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90   Misc   2024 Aug 20, 11:48pm  

Ok, a quick answer as to why everybody's banks are suddenly all at once asking their customers to update their financial profiles.

You see our intrepid risk management professionals at the various banks have all of a sudden come to a startling conclusion. You know all that student loan debt that is not getting paid back. Well, there were no credit ramifications the last few years for withholding payments. These same bunch of Black and Hispanic debtors have run up their credit card bills. They have no intention (and never did) of repaying these loans.

Looks like the banks are gonna have to write off at least $200 billion in bad credit card debt. The wizards of Wall Street get to learn the lesson again that if a loan is bad, it doesn't matter what the interest rate you charge is. Of course, if long term rates don't plummet, the banks will have to realize those persnickety losses on their "Hold to Maturity bonds" because they will be forced to sell them to cover the losses on their credit card portfolios.

Yes Virginia...there will be another bank bailout.
91   PeopleUnited   2024 Aug 21, 4:51am  

AD says

Senior care will be a growth industry.

As will crematorium and mortician.
92   clambo   2024 Aug 21, 6:41am  

There should be no tax credits for anything, especially someone else's brats.
If you can't afford them, don't have them.
94   AD   2024 Sep 7, 1:57pm  

PeopleUnited says

AD says

Senior care will be a growth industry.

As will crematorium and mortician.


its like a big dead animal that a snake swallows and works its way through the front and to the end of the snake

follow that dead animal as it works through the snake as far as the economy trends based on demographics

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95   AD   2024 Sep 7, 2:03pm  

Misc says

Looks like the banks are gonna have to write off at least $200 billion in bad credit card debt.



96   HeadSet   2024 Sep 7, 6:38pm  

AD says

Misc says

Looks like the banks are gonna have to write off at least $200 billion in bad credit card debt.



97   WookieMan   2024 Sep 7, 6:53pm  

AD says

Misc says


Looks like the banks are gonna have to write off at least $200 billion in bad credit card debt.





They don't have to write off anything. People understand debt from the consumer standpoint. ALL of it including consumer debt doesn't need to be repaid. I can't reiterate this anymore. No one has to pay their debt. Collections are paid debt. Short sell your house. There's literally no reason to pay anything. Taxes and student loans aside. You don't have to pay anything. Blacks got this down decades ago. Are white people this dumb?
98   AD   2024 Sep 7, 7:22pm  

WookieMan says

No one has to pay their debt.


A buddy of mine has a personal loan from Silicon Valley loanshark SoFi Bank. He is looking to try to negotiate the debt with his dad who is a lawyer. He is hoping he can cut a deal with SoFi and walk away from not paying the balance based on what he paid off so far.

My family member negotiated with a credit card company and they lowered her rate to 2% as long as she did not use the card while she was paying off the balance. She got a reverse mortgage (at rate of Continuous Maturity Treasury + 1.25% margin rate + 0.5% FHA insurance rate) to pay off her credit card debt.
99   mell   2024 Sep 7, 8:53pm  

WookieMan says


AD says


Misc says


Looks like the banks are gonna have to write off at least $200 billion in bad credit card debt.





They don't have to write off anything. People understand debt from the consumer standpoint. ALL of it including consumer debt doesn't need to be repaid. I can't reiterate this anymore. No one has to pay their debt. Collections are paid debt. Short sell your house. There's literally no reason to pay anything. Taxes and student loans aside. You don't have to pay anything. Blacks got this down decades ago. Are white people this dumb?


Maybe they have a higher moral standard, not everybody thinks it's cool to default. It is certainly true that many people don't realize that they have plenty of room to negotiate down their debt, but if too many start doing this there will be a domino effect and you will see a severe financial crisis akin to 2008. Banks have definitely started to tighten although there are still plenty of CC offers. However you get more money now for opening a checking or savings account, or both, and great interest rates. Banks are anticipating a cash crunch and started competing for your money again instead of your debt. Chase gives you $900 just to open a checking and savings account and keep like 10 or 15k in it for 90 days.
100   WookieMan   2024 Sep 7, 9:53pm  

mell says

Maybe they have a higher moral standard, not everybody thinks it's cool to default.

I don't do it. I'm just stating how it is. A debt collector paid your debt assuming you'd pay something. Your credit is already shit and the debt was paid by the debt collector. It's paid. Attorney's and debt collectors create fear to make money. It's water under the bridge. Debt collectors can't garnish wages. They have no recourse.

I get the domino effect. Maybe charge lower rates on CC's? Maybe there would be less defaults. I don't feel bad for a business charging 25% interest rates losing money. Fuck 'em. I pay on time, but an argument could be made they're cock suckers feeding off the financial unintelligence that is common in 80% of the population. Most of it is poor people and people of color. Should be a Dem policy but they're common retards.

Again, not promoting defaulting. Just saying it's not a big deal. My BIL killed himself over it. Helped about 100 homeowners short sell their homes 2007-2012. Don't get emotional. All are doing better than when they had bad debt. I think my personality speaks for itself here. I give zero fucks and know the ins and outs. You don't have to pay debt. Your house is protected and retirement account. Rack up some CC debt and take the credit hit. NEVER file BK. Dumbest move you could do and have been forced you have to do by the industry.

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