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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   433,313 views  4,192 comments

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4139   Patrick   2024 Sep 26, 8:21am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/stormy-weather-thursday-sept-26-2024


Volodymyr Zelensky is Ukraine’s former president and now its unelected Martial Law Coordinator, a position invented in real time out of necessity after Zelensky’s term ended without holding new elections. Corporate media still calls him the “president,” since he wields the powers of a president, but that title is not even close to accurate.

With U.S. elections looming, and uncomfortable questions about Zelensky’s authority cropping up like spring Ukrainian sunflowers, Curruptocrat Zelensky quickly developed a secret “Victory Plan” that he plans to present to President Cabbage today in Washington.

But Ukraine is a leaky ship of state, and anonymous bureaucrats are telling eager reporters what to expect. In addition to lots more money and more weapons, Zelensky’s amazing Victory Plan is expected to rest on two main prongs.

First, he wants the United States’ help in targeting Russian cities with U.S.-supplied and U.S.-directed missiles. This, Zelensky apparently believes, will tree the Russian Bear. Zelensky thinks the Russian people are weak-minded and cowardly and, if they are subjected to devastating missile attacks, they’ll overthrow the evil dictator Putin and peace will descend on Europe like a dove.

In other words, Zelensky expects the Russians to defeat Russia.

Of course, Russia could also respond by bombing Kiev into a smoking ash heap, which it has patiently resisted doing for almost three years now. Despite Ukraine relentlessly trying to bomb Russia’s Crimean bridge, Russia has also held back from taking out Ukraine’s six bridges across the massive Dnieper river, which bisects the country. That operation would probably only take an hour.

So the plan also includes a second, defensive prong. Zelensky reportedly also wants immediate NATO membership, to protect Ukraine from Russian retribution for strikes on its civilian centers. Russia, Zelensky thinks, won’t risk a war with NATO, which would be required to directly intervene for Ukraine if it were a member.

In other words, Zelensky sees Israel’s deal and wants the same thing for Ukraine.

But Ukraine is not Israel. Nor is Russia comparable to Hezbollah and Hamas. And yesterday, the escalatory ladder extended more when President Putin announced changes to Russia’s nuclear doctrine that would allow a thermonuclear response to any massive missile or drone attack against Russian cities. He also said if a nuclear state helps Ukraine, it would be considered a “joint attack” against Russia. ...
4141   Ceffer   2024 Sep 26, 4:44pm  

Of course, there is that huge Mockingbird fake news lobby with its trash talking subscriber group (not naming names) who beg to differ. When somebody tells you they want everything you believe to be a lie, and you still believe them, what does that mean?



https://t.me/hkitabayashi/1572
4142   Ceffer   2024 Sep 27, 6:06pm  

Guess it WAS cheaper to send those F-16s to Ukraine than to mothball them.

https://t.me/hkitabayashi/1591
4145   WookieMan   2024 Sep 29, 6:07pm  

Valid point. Thing is it just doesn't matter. No one actually cares besides college students and Democrat war mongers. Who would have thought....

Outside of using nukes, Russians are useless dip shits. So are Ukrainians. They could have resolved this themselves almost a decade ago. I say let them have at it. Who cares?
4146   Ceffer   2024 Sep 29, 6:11pm  

The_Deplorable says





https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1839434787070644636

Foreign Secret Agent Man Blinken's Satanic inversion lie re-writing history that can still be fact checked.
4148   Patrick   2024 Sep 30, 9:00am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/storm-conditions-monday-september


But, using Accuweather’s conservative $110 billion estimate, we could restore every single citizen whose home was destroyed or damaged by Hurricane Helene, and rebuild every single washed-out small business — for less than the cost of the next Ukraine weapons package.

Congress has not even tried to reallocate any Ukraine Aid to Helene Recovery.
4149   Patrick   2024 Oct 1, 9:07am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/tribbled-tuesday-october-1-2024-c


Help is on the way! Four days ago, Reuters ran a story headlined, “Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package.” Three days ago, Responsible Statecraft ran a story headlined, “Biden 'surges' $8 billion in aid to Ukraine, this senator wants guardrails on it.” Yesterday, Reuters ran a story headlined, “Biden approves $567 mln in defense support for Taiwan, White House says.”

Just hold on. I know what you’re thinking, dummies. But you don’t understand geopolitics. The wheel of money and war must keep spinning, or what’s the point? True, people in North Carolina might not have food, water, or houses, but what would they do if China invaded Taiwan? Huh? What would they do if Russia defeats Ukraine before all that sweet, sweet tax money greases all the necessary palms?

How will we keep all those wars going?

It’s fine and dandy to help all those poor citizens of other countries deal with their disasters. But here’s a radical idea. Maybe we should suspend aid to fix other countries’ problems until we have a firmer grasp on our own? Just saying.
4150   socal2   2024 Oct 1, 9:40am  

Putin demands Israel withdraw forces from Southern Lebanon.

Can't make this shit up.

https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1841092572972007857
4153   Patrick   2024 Oct 7, 10:08am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/strategic-monday-october-7-2024-c


As the world braces for today’s anniversary of the barbaric October 7th attacks on Israel and as the war in the Middle East heats up, the influential Financial Times floated a very suggestive proposal yesterday headlined, “Ukraine, Nato membership and the West Germany model.” The sub-headline added, “Security guarantees will have to underpin any peace deal where Russia retains control of Ukrainian land.” So much for “not one inch.”

“Although it remains committed to recovering the lands seized by Russia over the past decade,” the Financial Times regretfully explained, Ukraine “regrettably lacks the manpower, weaponry and western support to do it.” Later, it somberly conceded, “the west patently lacks a strategy for Ukraine to prevail.”

Now they tell us! And here, we all thought they had a strategy of some kind. (Just wait for the next story to see what the current strategy is.) But apparently not. So now they want to split the Ukraine baby.

Now they tell us, Part Deux: “The West German model for Ukraine has been discussed in foreign policy circles for more than 18 months.” Surprise! What they mean by the “West German model” is splitting Ukraine into two parts, like West and East Germany after the Second World War. In that historic scenario, West Germany was allowed to join NATO even though half the country remained under Soviet control.

This overly optimistic scheme suffers from two obvious problems, as the article eventually got around to admitting. First, in Germany, the occupied borders were well-defined, allowing the famous Berlin Wall to be erected right down the line. But in Ukraine, the war marches on, and the ever-changing borders remain fluid.

Second, after the war, the Soviets agreed to the Germany-splitting compromise. Today, Russia will never agree to let West Ukraine join NATO as part of any peace plan. It will never ever happen.

Biden’s neocons, Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, must now divide their attention between the old, difficult, plan-less Ukraine war, and the shiny new war emerging in the Middle East, which is ripe with potential and enthusiasm for a fresh conflict and all its glorious potential.

Meanwhile, things are only getting worse in Eastern Europe’s strategy-free theater of war. Any day now, Ukraine will head into winter and its rasputitsa mud season, further freezing and bogging down prospects for Ukraine’s ‘victory.’
4154   Patrick   2024 Oct 7, 10:10am  


Perhaps it isn’t completely fair to say there’s no strategy. On Saturday, the New York Times ran an eye-watering story headlined, “Ukraine’s Donbas Strategy: Retreat Slowly and Maximize Russia’s Losses.” The agonized sub-headline added, “It’s far from clear if the Ukrainian strategy will succeed.” So, there is a strategy after all.

Talk about trying to put a good spin on failure. The gist was that the Ukrainians are losing, are in retreat all along the front lines, but Kiev has ordered its troops to hold their untenable positions at all costs, in the hope that the Russians will eventually get tired of winning and go home.

That’s it. That’s the whole strategy.

To be clear, Ukraine has an alternative: pulling its troops from vast numbers of unholdable towns and villages, and mustering them together in more defensible positions, such as behind the giant Dnieper river, which divides the country in half. The main advantage of this defensive strategy would be saving tens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives.

Instead, Ukrainian martial law coordinator and former comedian Zelensky figures that, despite the astonishingly high cost in lives and free NATO materiel, by holding on till beyond the last minute in every little hamlet and township, the Russians might, sooner or later, get exhausted by all the fighting and give up.

Given that one of Russia’s stated objectives at the outset was to demilitarize Ukraine, it seems unlikely that Russia will get tired anytime soon of killing Ukrainian soldiers by the battalion.

Combined, these two stories, the Financial Times’ and the New York Times’ articles, together revealed the war’s hideous truth. Western war planners don’t care about Ukraine. They don’t care about its courageous soldiers willing to fight Russia to their inglorious deaths. As I reported yesterday, all the West cares about is the Wolfowitz Doctrine: establishing a NATO foothold in Ukraine to keep a lid on Russia and prevent it from becoming a rival world superpower.

In other words, the Ukrainian people and their land are disposable NATO resources. But there isn’t any strategy. Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result isn’t a strategy, it’s insanity.

But the fact the corporate media conversation and “foreign policy circles” have evolved from a goal of crushing Russia any day now to a strategy of trading land for peace is a great sign. Perhaps the end lies in sight.
4155   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Oct 7, 10:27am  

Patrick says

all the West cares about is the Wolfowitz Doctrine: establishing a NATO foothold in Ukraine to keep a lid on Russia and prevent it from becoming a rival world superpower.


Russia will never become a world superpower again. Demographics dooms that. A regional power, yes. But again: that will only last another 10 years or so because of demographics as well. Russia simply will not be able to field enough troops relative to its vast territory.
4156   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 7, 11:43am  

I got a 12 hour ban from Twitter for saying throw Igor K. down the well. The bots are strong in this October before the election year.
4157   Misc   2024 Oct 7, 12:01pm  

AmericanKulak says

I got a 12 hour ban from Twitter for saying throw Igor K. down the well. The bots are strong in this October before the election year.


Tried signing up just now again. They just give me the Black Screen. There's still plenty of Feds there. No way are they gonna let me have an account.
4158   Eric Holder   2024 Oct 7, 12:22pm  

AmericanKulak says

I got a 12 hour ban from Twitter


FREEDOM OF SPEECH, ASSHOLES!!!! BEAUTIFUL FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! THE ELON MUSK!!!! THE ELON MUSK!!!!!

🤡
4159   Ceffer   2024 Oct 10, 10:25am  

Now we've seen it all. Gay Nazi kill drones.

https://t.me/tribunalsandexecutions/484537
4160   Patrick   2024 Oct 10, 11:01am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/drastically-shortened-thursday-october


Highbrow blogging site UnHerd ran a thoughtful Proxy War article yesterday headlined, “Emmanuel Todd: Nato will disintegrate if Ukraine loses.” ...

Historian Todd made several observations with which most C&C readers would agree. For example, he thinks World War III has already started, that NATO will suffer irreparable shrinkage if Russia wins the Proxy War, that Western governments have been captured by what he neatly described as the “liberal oligarchy,” and that “Western economic sanctions have done more damage to the European economy than to the Russian one.”

My only quibble was he forgot to mention sanctions’ self-inflicted injury to the American economy. ...

There was nothing particularly novel (for us) about Todd’s political analysis, except of course that it is the complete opposite of the government-approved, corporate media-sustained narrative. But I found the article’s closing paragraph stunning. Reporters interviewing Todd about his book provocatively asked him whether he’d move to Russia since he hates the West so much, and he declined. But look what he said about the U.S.:

Asked by Corriere di Bologna whether he'd rather live in Russia than Western
Europe, Todd responded: "The liberal oligarchy is not a practical problem for me ....]
Basically I am just a dissident member of the intellectual oligarchy." While he said
he would remain in France "as long as the regime is not fascist or racist", he claimed
he would not move to the US as the country is "descending into something worse
than the liberal oligarchy". That something worse, Todd argued, is "nihilism".
4161   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Oct 10, 11:19am  

Misc says

Tried signing up just now again. They just give me the Black Screen


Clear your browse history and cookies.
4162   Patrick   2024 Oct 10, 5:21pm  




Just sayin.
4168   PeopleUnited   2024 Oct 11, 9:18pm  

Patrick says

While he said
he would remain in France "as long as the regime is not fascist or racist", he claimed
he would not move to the US as the country is "descending into something worse
than the liberal oligarchy". That something worse, Todd argued, is "nihilism".


In France they made abortion a “civil right” and no one is allowed to concealed carry a firearm. In fact there are licensing and registration of all firearms. So they hate babies and severely restrict a person from defending themselves against criminals. It sounds like a hellhole. And we haven’t even discussed their immigrant problems or the resulting racial and religious tension.
4169   WookieMan   2024 Oct 11, 10:33pm  

Patrick says




Just sayin.

Riding a horse in my area of IL is generally called gay. That's not a joke. Most male horse riders are actually gay too. Unless you're a jocky, Napoleon syndrome, you're gay.

It's 98% females that ride horses. So by default it's gay. Plus they can get off if they so choose for females. Riding a horse on a tour on vacation smashes my balls. Only done it a couple times. So every time I see that photo of Putin I think he's gay.
4171   RayAmerica   2024 Oct 13, 10:47am  

The latest news on the lost cause, aka, Ukraine's war against Russia:

No more German military hardware for Ukraine – Bild

Kiev does not have the resources to launch another counteroffensive anytime soon, Berlin reportedly believes

Germany has no more military hardware to offer Ukraine beyond what has already been pledged, even as Kiev remains hard-pressed by Russia on the front line, Bild reported on Saturday.

According to the outlet, the German Defense Ministry does not believe that Ukraine will be capable of launching “an offensive to liberate its own territory” in the near future.

The report also said, citing an internal document, that Berlin would no longer send “heavy weapons” to Ukraine, and that deliveries of this type of aid have been “completed.” The term applies to tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled howitzers and similar hardware.

In addition, Bild wrote, a supposedly new €1.4 billion ($1.53 billion) military aid package German Chancellor Olaf Scholz recently pledged in fact refers to commitments promised and paid for last year.

https://www.rt.com/russia/605653-german-military-hardware-ukraine/
4174   RayAmerica   2024 Oct 16, 7:23am  

The tragic comedy continues to unfold ...

Zelensky presents ‘victory plan'

The Ukrainian leader demanded an immediate invitation to join NATO

“This plan can be implemented. It depends on the partners. I emphasize: on partners. It doesn’t exactly depend on Russia,” Zelensky said, accusing Moscow of not wanting peace.

Highlights:

Zelensky said the plan consists of eight points, three of which are classified. FIRST and FOREMOST, the Ukrainian leader demanded that Kiev receive an invitation to immediately join NATO ...

Second, he also stressed the need to strengthen Ukraine’s defense capabilities, including by lifting Western restrictions on the use of foreign-made long-range weapons for strikes against Russia ...

Western (i.e. AMERICAN) boots on the ground:

Finally, Zelensky said Ukraine could share its real-life battlefield experience with the West to “strengthen NATO’s defense and ensure security in Europe.”

https://www.rt.com/russia/605811-zelensky-presents-victory-plan-nato-membership/
4175   RayAmerica   2024 Oct 16, 7:30am  

It's the bottom of the 9th. with two outs and the score is Russia 42, Ukraine 0. No balls, 2 strikes and here comes the 115 mile per hour fastball to Ukraine's weakest hitter ...

British military believes Kiev ‘on the verge of losing’ – media (they've been on the 'verge' since the very first shot)

Behind closed doors, the British military has grim expectations for the Ukraine conflict and believes that Kiev is about to lose, the tabloid Daily Express claimed on Tuesday.

Over the past month, Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has been touting his ‘victory plan’ to foreign leaders. Later this week he is set to unveil it to Ukrainian MPs and the general public, as well as the European Council. What Zelensky will present to his nation on Wednesday will not include specific numbers of requested weapons shipments by donor nations, according to his aide Mikhail Podoliak.

As one of the key suppliers of arms to Ukraine, Britain has publicly supported Kiev’s uncompromising position in the conflict with Russia. But private assessments by its generals say the situation is bad for Ukraine, a military source cited by Daily Express said.

https://www.rt.com/news/605793-british-military-kiev-defeat/
4176   RayAmerica   2024 Oct 16, 9:38am  

Quick! More sacrificial war fodder is needed and now!

US Politicians Are Pressuring Ukraine to Lower Draft Age to 18

Ukraine's draft laws do not allow the conscription of men under the age of 25

A Ukrainian official said Tuesday that American politicians are pressuring Ukraine to lower the minimum age of conscription from 25 to 18 to make more young men available for combat.

“If this information has surfaced, I can confirm it: American politicians from both parties are putting pressure on President Zelensky to explain why there is no mobilization of those aged 18 to 25 in Ukraine. The argument of our partners is that when the US fought in Vietnam, people were drafted from the age of 19,” Serhiy Leshchenko, an advisor to President Volodymyr Zelensky’s chief of staff, wrote on Telegram.

Back in April, Zelensky signed a bill that lowered the minimum conscription age in Ukraine from 27 to 25. Leshchenko said that Zelensky is resisting the pressure to start conscripting 18-year-olds.

“That’s why the Americans are hinting that Western weapons alone are not enough and that mobilization from the age of 18 is necessary. President Zelensky did not give in and continues to persuade politicians from both parties to provide weapons without changing the draft age,” Leshchenko added.

Right before Zelensky signed the bill lowering the draft age to 25, he received a visit from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who called for younger Ukrainians to be sent to the frontlines. “I would hope that those eligible to serve in the Ukrainian military would join. I can’t believe it’s at 27,” Graham said. “You’re in a fight for your life, so you should be serving — not at 25 or 27. We need more people (i.e. fodder) in the line.” (Aren't you glad that there's such a thing as a Lindsey Graham?)

https://news.antiwar.com/2024/10/15/us-politicians-are-pressuring-ukraine-to-lower-draft-age-to-18/#gsc.tab=0

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