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socal2 says

Patrick says

Greenwald makes a good point that Russia supports Syria, which is a threat to Israel.

So there is no clear American interest in Ukraine, but there is an Israeli interest in weakening Russia to weaken Syria, to benefit Israel.

Watching more now...

Iran, North Korea, China, Hamas and Hezbollah also support Russia and vice versa.

How many allies do we need to throw under the bus and how many despots and Islamists do we have to tolerate to appease Putin's cockup invasion?

Why do you keep repeating the obvious falsehood that this was an unprovoked invasion? Go to the table, negotiate a fair deal for both sides and stop the bloodshed and useless waste of lives. America's "enemies" have always stuck together due to the US dominance. But the US is not dominant anymore thanks to the leftoids and globalists. Trump has the unique opportunity to negotiate a good peace deal giving both sides concessions and reign in peace through strength. While rebuilding a solid America from the inside. If xiden and the leftoids won't sabotage it this is exactly what will happen and everyone will be better off without zelensky and putin cockfighting on the back of their service men.

mell says

Why do you keep repeating the obvious falsehood that this was an unprovoked invasion?

Ukey Nazi Fluffers gotta fluff.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

mell says

Why do you keep repeating the obvious falsehood that this was an unprovoked invasion?

Ukey Nazi Fluffers gotta fluff.

It would have been better if Ukraine got crushed to be honest. Bigger picture is Russia is weak. That's what this story is about. No one actually cares about Ukraine if they're being honest.

With Western help they're making Russians look like dip shits. They threaten nukes but need the land and can't trash it for decades. Their equipment is Soviet era old shit.

We smashed the Muslims in days, but needed an excuse to keep spending in the ME. Terrorism. We lost Americans, but on paper not that many. If we went torched earth in the ME we could have flattened the place without a nuke being launched or boots on the ground.

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Let me get this straight:

1. Trump wins. Putin immediately expresses openness for peace talks (as Trump predicted).

2. Biden gives permission for Ukraine to launch American missiles into Russian territory, after 2.5 years of forbidding it. Biden also starts sending Ukraine anti-personnel land mines (which will be maiming Ukrainian kids for the next 50 years, but let’s set that aside for now).

3. Russia, in response, starts launching ICBMs at Ukraine (non-nuclear, but still nuclear-capable).

Unless I’m missing something here, it sure feels like Joe Biden and his lame-duck administration have needlessly escalated a war that was otherwise on the verge of ending. Rather than discussing the terms of an armistice, we’re letting Zelenskyy plant American mines in Ukrainian soil and shoot American missiles into Russian territory.

I’m pro-Ukraine. I feel terrible for the Ukrainian people, and I desperately want them to have peace. What we’re doing right now, though, is utter insanity. These people have less than two months left in office, and apparently they’re intent on spending every last day of it dragging us into World War III.

https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1859653798660051032

That Russian ICBM with 9 MIRV warheads is a pretty pricey piece of hardware.

Make no mistake - this time it's not a bluff.

Fuck all of you who think that globohomo can fuck around and have the bear roll over.

There will be a limited nuclear exchange, initiated by Ukraine or NATO, and 2-3 cities with millions of people will die. All this to cover up the sins Trump is trying to bring to light. Goddamn those corrupt deep state psychopaths. At least in Kennedy's day, he could barely keep the MIC in check.

stereotomy says

That Russian ICBM with 9 MIRV warheads is a pretty pricey piece of hardware.

Make no mistake - this time it's not a bluff.

Fuck all of you who think that globohomo can fuck around and have the bear roll over.

There will be a limited nuclear exchange, initiated by Ukraine or NATO, and 2-3 cities with millions of people will die. All this to cover up the sins Trump is trying to bring to light. Goddamn those corrupt deep state psychopaths. At least in Kennedy's day, he could barely keep the MIC in check.

There are posts now claiming that the Russians are now claiming that it wasn't ICBMs but a new hypersonic missile instead.

Not holding my breath on that one. Mostly because ICBMs and hypersonic missiles have distinctly different trajectories. But also because the Russians have lots of ICBMs. They are cheap (paid for). In fact, their ongong maintenance cost them money.

AND, whenever NATO sees one launched, they will have heart attacks about whether or not they are nuke tipped. At least the military folks who track things like this and have to decide if they need to wake POTUS at 3am or not. European heads of government will also not like this even more.

This was why ICBMs weren't used for delivering conventional warheads during the Cold War by either side. But now, it serves Russian tactical interest to do so.

I think it will hasten the peace process - much more 🇷🇺 favor -not delay it. Swamp morons don't get that.

stereotomy says

That Russian ICBM with 9 MIRV warheads is a pretty pricey piece of hardware.

Make no mistake - this time it's not a bluff.

Fuck all of you who think that globohomo can fuck around and have the bear roll over.

There will be a limited nuclear exchange, initiated by Ukraine or NATO, and 2-3 cities with millions of people will die. All this to cover up the sins Trump is trying to bring to light. Goddamn those corrupt deep state psychopaths. At least in Kennedy's day, he could barely keep the MIC in check.

There will be no nuclear exchange. I hope Trump ensures it.

I hope both of you guys are right and I'm wrong.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Biden also starts sending Ukraine anti-personnel land mines (which will be maiming Ukrainian kids for the next 50 years

American made land and sea mines have a feature where they go inert after a determined amount of time. This was done specifically to prevent damage after any war is over.

Thanks to the Neo-Con puppet masters that are controlling Joe Biden. "If we hurry, we might have enough time to start WW III before Trump takes office ..."

NATO and Ukraine to Hold Emergency Talks After Russian Hypersonic Missile Attack

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/11/23/nato-and-ukraine-to-hold-emergency-talks-after-russian-hypersonic-missile-attack/

The escalation ramps up. Now, France joins Britain and the USA by giving their approval to the failed state of Ukraine to use long range missiles on mainland Russia ...

France gives Ukraine green light for long-range missile strikes

Paris places no “red lines” on its support for Kiev, Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot has said

French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot has said that Ukraine may use French missiles to attack targets in internationally-recognized Russian territory, without confirming whether such strikes have already taken place.

In an interview due to be broadcast by the BBC on Sunday, Barrot said that Paris does “not set and express red lines” on its support for Kiev, and that long-range strikes on Russian soil may be carried out by Ukraine “in the logics of self-defense.”
https://www.rt.com/news/608106-france-ukraine-permission-missiles/

Russia would be more than justified in targeted assassinations of all the people approving missile attacks on Russia, and those assassinations might well save millions of lives.

I know that high government officials generally don't like assassinations because it can work both ways, but when NATO idiots are playing with nuclear war, all bets are off.

Hey look!

Another StarLink launch!

Strange clustering of targets. Main concentration on the Brits, which must say something.

https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/101654

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

I’m pro-Ukraine.

does that mean pro-zelensky and nato or pro-ukrainian citizens? 2 different things in my mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtKVBFJVqWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtKVBFJVqWI

Larry C. Johnson: Putin's SOLID Message to the West - Hezbollah Surprising Attack on the IDF

Johnson explains in detail Putin's latest show of force with a 'weapon that has never been seen before.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_c-eFG9UKM

MacGregor is trash and you know it bud. Wasn't even a general. He has not had any intel on anything. He's retired and trying to get 15 minutes of fame on a bunch of podcasts. He talks in circles. Is wrong 99% of the time from anything I've heard and then followed up on.

I'd strongly advise another military source before quoting or linking anything from that guy. Go through your comments and let me know what he's been right on? I don't think you can find one statement from him or video. For his military time and not becoming a general speaks volumes. His superiors thought he was trash. So should you. He was a career colonel and not merit based. Time served.

There should be an admonition about saying "nuclear war" similar to saying "nigger."

Putin is bluffing; he's not stupid nor crazy enough to really provoke the west, and his "allies", China, India. I'm not sure what Iran would think about it.

Putin is not going to shoot a nuke anywhere.

Putin richly deserves what is happening to Russia; his dream of reviving the old Russian/Soviet empire is not going to happen.

clambo says

Putin is not going to shoot a nuke anywhere.

Putin richly deserves what is happening to Russia; his dream of reviving the old Russian/Soviet empire is not going to happen.

Yup. And neither are we or France and the UK. North Korea is the only dip shit I don't trust. Even then it 100% wouldn't be an attack on the US. It would be on a truck through Russia into Eastern Europe/Ukraine.

Also, no point in nuking an area you want to occupy. It's all bluster by Putin. Just send a barrage of missiles to the front line (conventional) and call it a day. I don't think Russia has the capability is the problem.

Musk could likely put 30 MOAB's on a spacecraft and annihilate anything. No nukes. People worry Trump would be a dictator. Think about it. He controls cars. Controls space. Controls communication with X. Quasi government position. Controls underground boring. I hope it's for good and not evil. Lots of power. He has a Mr. Evil persona from Austin Powers at times.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

socal2 was asked for very specific info yet returned a multiparagraph filibuster instead.

RayAmerica says

At what point do rational leaders in the West (if there are any left) pause, consider that the war is lost in Ukraine, deescalate and seek a treaty to end the war?

January 21, 2025