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socal2 says

You tell me then. What are Putin's goals to justify this absolutely terrible loss of Russian and Ukrainian life?

To stop Ukraine from being part of NATO and stop the Black Sea from becoming a NATO lake. Putin does not want to see NATO naval bases in Sevastopol and Odessa.

socal2 says

Putin thought they were going to topple Kiev in less than 30 days.

You're really on quite a roll with your undocumented, imaginative claims. You haven't provided any proof whatsoever that Putin made the statements that you assert, and now you pretend to know Putin's 'thoughts.' Where's your proof to back up your claims? You know it and everyone else knows it, you don't have any.

HeadSet says

To stop Ukraine from being part of NATO and stop the Black Sea from becoming a NATO lake. Putin does not want to see NATO naval bases in Sevastopol and Odessa.

How has that worked out for Russia?

Russian naval ship and base losses in the Black Sea and Crimean peninsula are worse than before the war.

Russia also has 2 new NATO members next door, heavily armed Ukraine and a more unified Europe willing to finally spend money on defense and weapons for Ukraine.

How is this not a monumental back fire for Putin and Russia?

socal2 says

You tell me then. What are Putin's goals to justify this absolutely terrible loss of Russian and Ukrainian life?

To prove that he meant it when he said that NATO is not an acceptable neighbor to Russia.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-glenn-greenwald-2

Glenn Greenwald: Dangerous New Escalation in Russia, & Our Blackmailed Politicians

RayAmerica says

socal2 says

Putin thought they were going to topple Kiev in less than 30 days.

You're really on quite a roll with your undocumented, imaginative claims. You haven't provided any proof whatsoever that Putin made the statements that you assert, and now you pretend to know Putin's 'thoughts.' Where's your proof to back up your claims? You know it and everyone else knows it, you don't have any.

It's called common sense.

Do you really think Putin planned or even entertained that the war would drag on for 3 years where he would have to burn through massive weapons stockpiles, prisoners, Wagner mercenaries, rely on weapons from Iran and even conscripts from North Korea?

There is no fucking way Putin would have invaded if he had a crystal ball and could see how these past 3 years played out. Way too much pain for too little gain.

Again - common fucking sense.

This entire war has made Putin and the Russian military look pathetic and weak. Russia is still dangerous and can kill alot of people for sure - but it still a total shit-show display for the whole world to see.

Patrick says

To prove that he meant it when he said that NATO is not an acceptable neighbor to Russia.

And Russia got 2 more NATO members as neighbors as a result.

Finland is right next door and shares a huge border with Russia. Both Sweden and Finland are providing weapons to Ukraine.

This needless bloodbath is creating so much winning and deterrence for Putin!

Again - can anyone name a single thing Putin or Russia has gained in all this?

Greenwald makes a good point that Russia supports Syria, which is a threat to Israel.

So there is no clear American interest in Ukraine, but there is an Israeli interest in weakening Russia to weaken Syria, to benefit Israel.

Watching more now...

They point out that the ridiculously aggressive move of using US weapons to hit far within Russia for no US interest at all, but only to make life more difficult for Trump during Biden's lame duck days makes Putin the only adult in the room. Our lives all depend on Putin's good sense and forbearance now, while Blinken and Sullivan are openly playing with our lives to hurt Trump, which is just about the most horrifically treasonous and criminal act imaginable.

Immediate impeachment of Biden is in order, but then, would that get rid of the arch-criminals Blinken and Sullivan?

socal2 says

How has that worked out for Russia?

We were discussing the reasons for Russia invading Ukraine, not whether or not Russia was paying a steep price for it.

Lol, now Greenwald is talking about how he interviewed Mike Johnson, who used to be aggressively opposed to government censorship and FISA courts, but then suddenly flipped one day. Greenwald asked him why, and it was the same bullshit excuse that they all use, one that can never be verified, which is why they use it:

Oh man, this is a great interview:

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-glenn-greenwald-2

You know, now that the US has directly attacked Russia with US missiles guided by US satellites, we can expect, say, another tanker ship to hit another bridge, or something similar.

Russia is clever and will on the one hand make it ambiguous, but clear enough on the other hand.

Probably in the next few days.

Patrick says

They point out that the ridiculously aggressive move of using US weapons to hit far within Russia for no US interest at all, but only to make life more difficult for Trump during Biden's lame duck days makes Putin the only adult in the room. Our lives all depend on Putin's good sense and forbearance now, while Blinken and Sullivan are openly playing with our lives to hurt Trump, which is just about the most horrifically treasonous and criminal act imaginable.

Immediate impeachment of Biden is in order, but then, would that get rid of the arch-criminals Blinken and Sullivan?

Trump should make a deal and hand over the neocon traitors to Russian justice in exchange for a fresh start between our countries.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

socal2 was asked for very specific info yet returned a multipatagraph filibuster instead.

HeadSet says

We were discussing the reasons for Russia invading Ukraine, not whether or not Russia was paying a steep price for it.

And Russia is STILL paying a steep price for it and got the opposite results of wanting to keep NATO countries off their borders.

What is Russia "winning" today in 2024 to justify this continued carnage other than a bigger and revitalized NATO?

Russian boosters have moved the goalposts off the playing field.

Russia failed at their mission in the first month of the war by failing to topple central government in Kiev. This has been known for years - but some people just want to keep propping up this failed war because some US Democrats support Ukraine or believe in retarded "Globalhomo Satanist" conspiracy theories.

Ok Ukey Fluffers!

FAAFO time.

Patrick says

Greenwald makes a good point that Russia supports Syria, which is a threat to Israel.

So there is no clear American interest in Ukraine, but there is an Israeli interest in weakening Russia to weaken Syria, to benefit Israel.

Watching more now...

Iran, North Korea, China, Hamas and Hezbollah also support Russia and vice versa.

How many allies do we need to throw under the bus and how many despots and Islamists do we have to tolerate to appease Putin's cockup invasion?

socal2 says

Patrick says

Greenwald makes a good point that Russia supports Syria, which is a threat to Israel.

So there is no clear American interest in Ukraine, but there is an Israeli interest in weakening Russia to weaken Syria, to benefit Israel.

Watching more now...

Iran, North Korea, China, Hamas and Hezbollah also support Russia and vice versa.

How many allies do we need to throw under the bus and how many despots and Islamists do we have to tolerate to appease Putin's cockup invasion?

Why do you keep repeating the obvious falsehood that this was an unprovoked invasion? Go to the table, negotiate a fair deal for both sides and stop the bloodshed and useless waste of lives. America's "enemies" have always stuck together due to the US dominance. But the US is not dominant anymore thanks to the leftoids and globalists. Trump has the unique opportunity to negotiate a good peace deal giving both sides concessions and reign in peace through strength. While rebuilding a solid America from the inside. If xiden and the leftoids won't sabotage it this is exactly what will happen and everyone will be better off without zelensky and putin cockfighting on the back of their service men.

mell says

Why do you keep repeating the obvious falsehood that this was an unprovoked invasion?

Ukey Nazi Fluffers gotta fluff.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

mell says

Why do you keep repeating the obvious falsehood that this was an unprovoked invasion?

Ukey Nazi Fluffers gotta fluff.

It would have been better if Ukraine got crushed to be honest. Bigger picture is Russia is weak. That's what this story is about. No one actually cares about Ukraine if they're being honest.

With Western help they're making Russians look like dip shits. They threaten nukes but need the land and can't trash it for decades. Their equipment is Soviet era old shit.

We smashed the Muslims in days, but needed an excuse to keep spending in the ME. Terrorism. We lost Americans, but on paper not that many. If we went torched earth in the ME we could have flattened the place without a nuke being launched or boots on the ground.

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Let me get this straight:

1. Trump wins. Putin immediately expresses openness for peace talks (as Trump predicted).

2. Biden gives permission for Ukraine to launch American missiles into Russian territory, after 2.5 years of forbidding it. Biden also starts sending Ukraine anti-personnel land mines (which will be maiming Ukrainian kids for the next 50 years, but let’s set that aside for now).

3. Russia, in response, starts launching ICBMs at Ukraine (non-nuclear, but still nuclear-capable).

Unless I’m missing something here, it sure feels like Joe Biden and his lame-duck administration have needlessly escalated a war that was otherwise on the verge of ending. Rather than discussing the terms of an armistice, we’re letting Zelenskyy plant American mines in Ukrainian soil and shoot American missiles into Russian territory.

I’m pro-Ukraine. I feel terrible for the Ukrainian people, and I desperately want them to have peace. What we’re doing right now, though, is utter insanity. These people have less than two months left in office, and apparently they’re intent on spending every last day of it dragging us into World War III.

https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1859653798660051032

That Russian ICBM with 9 MIRV warheads is a pretty pricey piece of hardware.

Make no mistake - this time it's not a bluff.

Fuck all of you who think that globohomo can fuck around and have the bear roll over.

There will be a limited nuclear exchange, initiated by Ukraine or NATO, and 2-3 cities with millions of people will die. All this to cover up the sins Trump is trying to bring to light. Goddamn those corrupt deep state psychopaths. At least in Kennedy's day, he could barely keep the MIC in check.

stereotomy says

That Russian ICBM with 9 MIRV warheads is a pretty pricey piece of hardware.

Make no mistake - this time it's not a bluff.

Fuck all of you who think that globohomo can fuck around and have the bear roll over.

There will be a limited nuclear exchange, initiated by Ukraine or NATO, and 2-3 cities with millions of people will die. All this to cover up the sins Trump is trying to bring to light. Goddamn those corrupt deep state psychopaths. At least in Kennedy's day, he could barely keep the MIC in check.

There are posts now claiming that the Russians are now claiming that it wasn't ICBMs but a new hypersonic missile instead.

Not holding my breath on that one. Mostly because ICBMs and hypersonic missiles have distinctly different trajectories. But also because the Russians have lots of ICBMs. They are cheap (paid for). In fact, their ongong maintenance cost them money.

AND, whenever NATO sees one launched, they will have heart attacks about whether or not they are nuke tipped. At least the military folks who track things like this and have to decide if they need to wake POTUS at 3am or not. European heads of government will also not like this even more.

This was why ICBMs weren't used for delivering conventional warheads during the Cold War by either side. But now, it serves Russian tactical interest to do so.

I think it will hasten the peace process - much more 🇷🇺 favor -not delay it. Swamp morons don't get that.

stereotomy says

That Russian ICBM with 9 MIRV warheads is a pretty pricey piece of hardware.

Make no mistake - this time it's not a bluff.

Fuck all of you who think that globohomo can fuck around and have the bear roll over.

There will be a limited nuclear exchange, initiated by Ukraine or NATO, and 2-3 cities with millions of people will die. All this to cover up the sins Trump is trying to bring to light. Goddamn those corrupt deep state psychopaths. At least in Kennedy's day, he could barely keep the MIC in check.

There will be no nuclear exchange. I hope Trump ensures it.

I hope both of you guys are right and I'm wrong.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Biden also starts sending Ukraine anti-personnel land mines (which will be maiming Ukrainian kids for the next 50 years

American made land and sea mines have a feature where they go inert after a determined amount of time. This was done specifically to prevent damage after any war is over.

Thanks to the Neo-Con puppet masters that are controlling Joe Biden. "If we hurry, we might have enough time to start WW III before Trump takes office ..."

NATO and Ukraine to Hold Emergency Talks After Russian Hypersonic Missile Attack

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/11/23/nato-and-ukraine-to-hold-emergency-talks-after-russian-hypersonic-missile-attack/

The escalation ramps up. Now, France joins Britain and the USA by giving their approval to the failed state of Ukraine to use long range missiles on mainland Russia ...

France gives Ukraine green light for long-range missile strikes

Paris places no “red lines” on its support for Kiev, Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot has said

French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot has said that Ukraine may use French missiles to attack targets in internationally-recognized Russian territory, without confirming whether such strikes have already taken place.

In an interview due to be broadcast by the BBC on Sunday, Barrot said that Paris does “not set and express red lines” on its support for Kiev, and that long-range strikes on Russian soil may be carried out by Ukraine “in the logics of self-defense.”
https://www.rt.com/news/608106-france-ukraine-permission-missiles/

Russia would be more than justified in targeted assassinations of all the people approving missile attacks on Russia, and those assassinations might well save millions of lives.

I know that high government officials generally don't like assassinations because it can work both ways, but when NATO idiots are playing with nuclear war, all bets are off.

Hey look!

Another StarLink launch!

Strange clustering of targets. Main concentration on the Brits, which must say something.

https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/101654

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

I’m pro-Ukraine.

does that mean pro-zelensky and nato or pro-ukrainian citizens? 2 different things in my mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtKVBFJVqWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtKVBFJVqWI

Larry C. Johnson: Putin's SOLID Message to the West - Hezbollah Surprising Attack on the IDF

Johnson explains in detail Putin's latest show of force with a 'weapon that has never been seen before.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_c-eFG9UKM

MacGregor is trash and you know it bud. Wasn't even a general. He has not had any intel on anything. He's retired and trying to get 15 minutes of fame on a bunch of podcasts. He talks in circles. Is wrong 99% of the time from anything I've heard and then followed up on.

I'd strongly advise another military source before quoting or linking anything from that guy. Go through your comments and let me know what he's been right on? I don't think you can find one statement from him or video. For his military time and not becoming a general speaks volumes. His superiors thought he was trash. So should you. He was a career colonel and not merit based. Time served.

There should be an admonition about saying "nuclear war" similar to saying "nigger."

Putin is bluffing; he's not stupid nor crazy enough to really provoke the west, and his "allies", China, India. I'm not sure what Iran would think about it.

Putin is not going to shoot a nuke anywhere.

Putin richly deserves what is happening to Russia; his dream of reviving the old Russian/Soviet empire is not going to happen.

clambo says

Putin is not going to shoot a nuke anywhere.

Putin richly deserves what is happening to Russia; his dream of reviving the old Russian/Soviet empire is not going to happen.

Yup. And neither are we or France and the UK. North Korea is the only dip shit I don't trust. Even then it 100% wouldn't be an attack on the US. It would be on a truck through Russia into Eastern Europe/Ukraine.

Also, no point in nuking an area you want to occupy. It's all bluster by Putin. Just send a barrage of missiles to the front line (conventional) and call it a day. I don't think Russia has the capability is the problem.

Musk could likely put 30 MOAB's on a spacecraft and annihilate anything. No nukes. People worry Trump would be a dictator. Think about it. He controls cars. Controls space. Controls communication with X. Quasi government position. Controls underground boring. I hope it's for good and not evil. Lots of power. He has a Mr. Evil persona from Austin Powers at times.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

socal2 was asked for very specific info yet returned a multiparagraph filibuster instead.