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socal2 says

The costs to Russia has been enormous and will be felt for a generation.

True, and Putin knew that going into it. Russia took that risk because they see a NATO Ukraine as an existential threat.

In exchange for Trump handing over all the diplomats and deep state fuckers who fomented color revolutions and war (Nuland and other military traitors), WWIII will be averted.

Why pay reparations when you can hand them the heads of those who orchestrated the whole fucking thing?

socal2 says

Russia intended to take the entire country, occupy Kiev and decapitate the Ukrainian government. That was Putin's stated goals.

socal2 ... somehow, you forgot to provide the specific proof for your "Putin's stated goals" assertions. Why am I not surprised?

HeadSet says

True, and Putin knew that going into it.

B.S. Putin thought they were going to topple Kiev in less than 30 days.

I really doubt Putin would have invaded if he "knew" it would be a 3 year slog like this.

RayAmerica says

socal2 ... somehow, you forgot to provide the specific proof for your "Putin's stated goals" assertions. Why am I not surprised?

You tell me then. What are Putin's goals to justify this absolutely terrible loss of Russian and Ukrainian life?

Specifics please. No Russian prop or lazy bromides like "DeNazify" Ukraine.

How long will it take Russia to get their ROI on this MASSIVE investment in Russian blood and treasure? Even if Russian losses are 50% of what has been reported by the West, I just fail to see any kind of "win" for Russia with their current losses.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

socal2 was asked for very specific info yet returned a multipatagraph filibuster instead.

socal2 says

You tell me then. What are Putin's goals to justify this absolutely terrible loss of Russian and Ukrainian life?

To stop Ukraine from being part of NATO and stop the Black Sea from becoming a NATO lake. Putin does not want to see NATO naval bases in Sevastopol and Odessa.

socal2 says

Putin thought they were going to topple Kiev in less than 30 days.

You're really on quite a roll with your undocumented, imaginative claims. You haven't provided any proof whatsoever that Putin made the statements that you assert, and now you pretend to know Putin's 'thoughts.' Where's your proof to back up your claims? You know it and everyone else knows it, you don't have any.

HeadSet says

To stop Ukraine from being part of NATO and stop the Black Sea from becoming a NATO lake. Putin does not want to see NATO naval bases in Sevastopol and Odessa.

How has that worked out for Russia?

Russian naval ship and base losses in the Black Sea and Crimean peninsula are worse than before the war.

Russia also has 2 new NATO members next door, heavily armed Ukraine and a more unified Europe willing to finally spend money on defense and weapons for Ukraine.

How is this not a monumental back fire for Putin and Russia?

socal2 says

You tell me then. What are Putin's goals to justify this absolutely terrible loss of Russian and Ukrainian life?

To prove that he meant it when he said that NATO is not an acceptable neighbor to Russia.

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-glenn-greenwald-2

Glenn Greenwald: Dangerous New Escalation in Russia, & Our Blackmailed Politicians

RayAmerica says

socal2 says

Putin thought they were going to topple Kiev in less than 30 days.

You're really on quite a roll with your undocumented, imaginative claims. You haven't provided any proof whatsoever that Putin made the statements that you assert, and now you pretend to know Putin's 'thoughts.' Where's your proof to back up your claims? You know it and everyone else knows it, you don't have any.

It's called common sense.

Do you really think Putin planned or even entertained that the war would drag on for 3 years where he would have to burn through massive weapons stockpiles, prisoners, Wagner mercenaries, rely on weapons from Iran and even conscripts from North Korea?

There is no fucking way Putin would have invaded if he had a crystal ball and could see how these past 3 years played out. Way too much pain for too little gain.

Again - common fucking sense.

This entire war has made Putin and the Russian military look pathetic and weak. Russia is still dangerous and can kill alot of people for sure - but it still a total shit-show display for the whole world to see.

Patrick says

To prove that he meant it when he said that NATO is not an acceptable neighbor to Russia.

And Russia got 2 more NATO members as neighbors as a result.

Finland is right next door and shares a huge border with Russia. Both Sweden and Finland are providing weapons to Ukraine.

This needless bloodbath is creating so much winning and deterrence for Putin!

Again - can anyone name a single thing Putin or Russia has gained in all this?

Greenwald makes a good point that Russia supports Syria, which is a threat to Israel.

So there is no clear American interest in Ukraine, but there is an Israeli interest in weakening Russia to weaken Syria, to benefit Israel.

Watching more now...

They point out that the ridiculously aggressive move of using US weapons to hit far within Russia for no US interest at all, but only to make life more difficult for Trump during Biden's lame duck days makes Putin the only adult in the room. Our lives all depend on Putin's good sense and forbearance now, while Blinken and Sullivan are openly playing with our lives to hurt Trump, which is just about the most horrifically treasonous and criminal act imaginable.

Immediate impeachment of Biden is in order, but then, would that get rid of the arch-criminals Blinken and Sullivan?

socal2 says

How has that worked out for Russia?

We were discussing the reasons for Russia invading Ukraine, not whether or not Russia was paying a steep price for it.

Lol, now Greenwald is talking about how he interviewed Mike Johnson, who used to be aggressively opposed to government censorship and FISA courts, but then suddenly flipped one day. Greenwald asked him why, and it was the same bullshit excuse that they all use, one that can never be verified, which is why they use it:

Oh man, this is a great interview:

https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-glenn-greenwald-2

You know, now that the US has directly attacked Russia with US missiles guided by US satellites, we can expect, say, another tanker ship to hit another bridge, or something similar.

Russia is clever and will on the one hand make it ambiguous, but clear enough on the other hand.

Probably in the next few days.

Patrick says

They point out that the ridiculously aggressive move of using US weapons to hit far within Russia for no US interest at all, but only to make life more difficult for Trump during Biden's lame duck days makes Putin the only adult in the room. Our lives all depend on Putin's good sense and forbearance now, while Blinken and Sullivan are openly playing with our lives to hurt Trump, which is just about the most horrifically treasonous and criminal act imaginable.

Immediate impeachment of Biden is in order, but then, would that get rid of the arch-criminals Blinken and Sullivan?

Trump should make a deal and hand over the neocon traitors to Russian justice in exchange for a fresh start between our countries.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

socal2 was asked for very specific info yet returned a multipatagraph filibuster instead.