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Patrick says

Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR

NATO troops or third world mercs?

The distinction is important.

Because either way, they become legit targets the moment they arrive. Possibly before that as the transport planes carrying them are fair game to be shot down the moment they enter Ukey Nazi airspace.

And NATO couldn't even field that many troops. Not even if over 50% are US.

Italians, Finns, French, Polish & Germans seeing their only sons coming home in body bags isn't politically viable either.

So my guess are mercs. Some are going to be European and Americans in western PMCs. But the governments of those will be able to avoid culpability.

The rest will be French Foreign Legionnaires (90% of whom are not French but turd worlders) and other foreign PMCs from Africa, India, Asia and South America. NATO's counter to Norks being deployed by Russia that our press first denied and now are screaming about. The hypocrisy would be stunning except that it is completely predictable.

Meanwhile, this map is over two years old now. Why? Because it was obvious what the outcome of this war was always going to be.



P.S. now that section of what will be left of Rump Nazi Ukraine will end up actually being smaller than it is.

That's what the bullshit caused by the Ukey Nazi Fluffers both on and off of PatNet have wrought by extending this war.

Yawn, another map to fap at by Pukin cum gurglers? Put it into the predictions thread if you dare. And update that another hilarios map thread which is as far from the reality now as it was then. Make sure it reflects the loss of Kursk by the illegitimate Moscow regime.

RWSGFY says

Yawn, another map to fap at by Pukin cum gurglers? Put it into the predictions thread if you dare. And update that another hilarios map thread which is as far from the reality now as it was then. Make sure it reflects the loss of Kursk by the illegitimate Moscow regime.

^^^^^^

That's what the bullshit caused by the Ukey Nazi Fluffers both on and off of PatNet have wrought by extending this war.

RWSGFY says

Yawn, another map to fap at by Pukin cum gurglers? Put it into the predictions thread if you dare. And update that another hilarios map thread which is as far from the reality now as it was then. Make sure it reflects the loss of Kursk by the illegitimate Moscow regime.

Here’s a prediction: the money train stops once Trump is in office, and this pointless war ends at the current boundaries. Ukraine does not join NATO and the state department flunkies put their bloody prints on a Georgian coup or Syrian ISIS funding to stymy Russia (though that too will fail). Happy? We have a treasonous state dept, whose ouster will be all of our gains.

I suppose the partitions have already been secretly settled to the more or less, with the reveals to be wound out whenever.

Some Woo think that the demarcation border will be the Dnipro River with Kiev partitioned and Odessa given a diplomatic corridor for access and port use by what remains of Ukraine. I suppose the chunks to Poland, Hungary etc. could be bribes for the local cluster.

However, there will be no Ukraine membership in NATO. The Ukraine Nazis/KMaf Nazis will be on a tighter leash without their previous criminal enterprise gloss.

Of course, there are those who think that Ukraine's blackmail abilities over the participation of the Western powers in the crime syndicates will dictate that Ukraine will preferably be glassed to cover up the crime scene as mafia standard operating procedure.

Ceffer says

Some Woo think that the demarcation border will be the Dnipro River with Kiev partitioned and Odessa given a diplomatic corridor for access and port use by what remains of Ukraine. I suppose the chunks to Poland, Hungary etc. could be bribes for the local cluster.

Yeah, since 2018:




But now, that chunk on the other side of the Dneiper River may go to Russia.

And Romania may get some chunks, too.

Ceffer says

However, there will be no Ukraine membership in NATO.

Hahaha. Right. The West cannot be trusted at all on honoring that, Binding Treaty or not.

Post-Trump, the Deep State Fucks will be back in biz, that's why.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahaha. Right. The West cannot be trusted at all on honoring that, Binding Treaty or not.

This all ends the day Trump gets in office if he proposed Russia join NATO. Bat shit crazy idea, but Russia wanted to be in on NATO I think during the Clinton years. They then could accept Ukraine being in NATO.

Strike while the iron is hot. Dems are dysfunctional right now. Their usual tactics of Trump being a Putin lover won't work. Ukraine then also joins. You've just created the largest alliance and PEACE in history. Trump is a lame duck so I wouldn't be shocked if he tried it. Problem is other NATO countries trusting and agreeing to let them in and I believe it has to be unanimous.

Would hurt some of our natural gas producers here in the states, but it would hurt China more which I know is an objective of Trumps. Europe gets their gas prices down. They don't fear attack. Our energy prices drop because we have so much. We remove the sanctions from Russia and open up trade again with massive caution and oversight.

It also would neuter Iran, Syria, Hezbolla and Hamas. So the whole Israel thing goes away likely. It would be a bold and likely impossible move, but it's what should happen. Guaranteed Nobel Peace Prize for Trump if he pulls it off. China would stop being aggressive knowing 90% of the worlds military could wipe them out in hours. So all this South China sea and Taiwan shit saber rattling would stop.

Russia in NATO could also end the Korean bull shit. I know Trump isn't a fan of NATO, but in one fell swoop he could change the outlook of the globe for generations. We're 55 miles from Eastern Russia. We should be allies really. Also probably shuts down BRICS.

War machine probably would never let it happen though is the other factor. Love or hate it, NATO has stopped Europe from being dip shits for almost a century now. It would be the right move. Spain to edge of Russia. I don't trust Russians, but the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Not a single group of countries could mess with that. It make peace a 90% proposition. Still will be some bull shit, but better than it is now.

^re: Russia in NATO, “it’s so crazy it just might work!” Really though, we lost the opportunity of a century in the 90’s to ally with Russia. We needed a Marshall Plan, but instead got Morgenthau when Clinton’s state dept advised Russia undergo economic “shock therapy.” This predictably led to oligarchs, corruption, and a sense that the US couldn’t be trusted. And with Jeffrey Sachs, Madeleine Albright, and Zbigniew at the helm, they were right - that group’s only aim was to weaken and fragment Russia.

For those interested, it really was Jeff Sachs behind the shock therapy idea. For all his sober-mindedness and anti-establishment ‘truth-telling’ (these days), it would be nice if he’d acknowledge that colossal failing.

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/seagdr7kp2wpe92rgkjarm45asw4fd

It would be the largest domino that would change history. North Koreans are already defecting from battle. Putin is aging. Just get them in NATO which is what they wanted. So many good things come from it. Africa is a joke. South American is generally a joke. Aussies are on our side. A Russian US alliance just makes sense. That's damn near 60% of the world in the same alliance, which zero other super power. We just have to play in the sandbox nicely. Won't always be pretty.

And now, the latest news from the Front (aka, more proof that Ukraine is winning. It really, really is. Any day now Russia will be waving the white flag):



Ukrainian soldiers refusing to report for duty or walking away from their front-line positions are becoming an increasing problem for Kiev. One Ukrainian lawmaker said that there have been as many as 200,000 desertions.

Ukrainian officials and soldiers told the AP that “Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity.” The report adds, “Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers.”

Soldiers failing to report to their posts are a rapidly worsening problem for Kiev. In 2022, only 9,000 Ukrainians were prosecuted for desertion. That number increased to 24,000 in 2023. Ukrainian government data showed prosecutions skyrocketed to 50,000 during the first nine months of 2024.

The prosecutions do not capture the whole picture as one Ukrainian lawmaker told AP the number “could be as high as 200,000.” The growing problem is likely a result of war fatigue. “It is clear that now, frankly speaking, we have already squeezed the maximum out of our people,” said one military officer.

Between casualties and desertions, Kiev is facing a massive manpower shortage. The AP noted Kiev lost a net 4,000 soldiers along the front lines in September. The White House is pushing Ukraine to lower its consumption age to 18 to help fill shortages.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/as-many-as-200000-ukrainian-soldiers-have-deserted/

WookieMan says

Strike while the iron is hot. Dems are dysfunctional right now. Their usual tactics of Trump being a Putin lover won't work

It would require Senate ratification. 2/3 vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/03/politics/senate-vote-nato-finland-sweden/index.html

Won't happen.

goofus says

would be nice if he’d acknowledge that colossal failing.

He did.

https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/a-true-shock-economist-jeffrey-sachs

RayAmerica says

Ukrainian officials and soldiers told the AP that “Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity.” The report adds, “Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers.”

But @socal2 kept telling us that Ukraine had one of the best armies in the world!

RayAmerica says

The White House is pushing Ukraine to lower its consumption age to 18 to help fill shortages

One year and one month into the full-out offensive by the "second military in the world", propped up by arms supplies from NoKo and Iran with eyewatering daily losses and here we are...

And half of this time (Oct 23 - Apr 24) even the slow and niggardly US military aid was turned off.

Tell me again how everybody should just roll over and play surrender monkey to mighty Pukin, LOL

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

That's what the bullshit caused by the Ukey Nazi Fluffers both on and off of PatNet have wrought by extending this war.

Ha ha! As if Russia didn't try and utterly fail to take Kiev 3 years ago and decapitate the entire government of "nazees"?

Did that not happen? Was it never part of Russia's plan to quickly topple Zelensky's government and install their puppet?

Was it always Russia's plan to get hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians killed and grievously wounded to barely advance a few miles in trench warfare in the East over the past 3 years?

All part of the plan?

I can see Ukraine hanging on with a defensive war freezing current lines (just with EU weapons) long before Russia being able to start some sort of breakout using North Korean cannon fodder.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chicken-kiev-tuesday-december-3-2024

This morning, the Washington Post ran a story with a surprising tone headlined, “Biden surges arms to Ukraine, fearing Trump will halt U.S. aid.” The sub-headline added, “The directive has stirred debate, as some officials worry it will cut too deeply into American stockpiles and jeopardize the military’s needs elsewhere.”

In other words, Zelensky is saying, please! let us keep the killing going just a little bit longer!

How can it possibly help Ukraine to extend the war out for another 30 or 60 days when Ukraine is losing? I could see drawing it out if Ukraine were winning. But this is like getting demolished in a kickboxing match and, as soon as you come to, deliriously begging for a second try through broken teeth. Put me back in!

Even worse, as WaPo admitted, the U.S. has sent so many weapons to Ukraine it is running dangerously low on its own defensive inventories. On top of that, the article makes clear that weapons aren’t even the real problem anymore—it’s that there aren’t enough bodies. “Over the course of especially this last year, it’s just that they’re not mobilizing and training enough soldiers to replace battlefield losses,” a senior administration official explained, adding “on the manpower side, it’s just a question of math and physics.”

Bizarrely, Kiev blames America for its manpower shortage. Since potential recruits recognize there aren’t enough good weapons for a fair fight, the argument goes, they won’t volunteer to join the army. Thus, since America is too slow in sending more more more, Ukraine’s manpower shortage is our fault.

See? There aren’t enough recruits to justify supplying more weapons, but there aren’t enough weapons coming to attract new recruits. Chickens and grenades.

Curiously, I discovered Democrat angst over Hunter’s pardon seeping into the comments of WaPo’s article about Ukraine weaponry:

Biden always waits until it is too late before he does the right thing. This would
have been a much different war if Ukraine had the arms they have now from the
beginning. I had thought Biden would be a good president for the last 40 years.
Boy, was wrong. From picking Harris, to caving to the Progs' spending demands, to
clinging to power, and now to now pardoning his son he has been a disaster.

Whew! The list of Democrat complaints against Biden is really growing.

So, to summarize, the WaPo itself identified four good reasons not to send any more weapons to Ukraine:

Trump will end the war soon anyway, and there’s no chance Kiev could win in the meantime.

U.S. defensive stocks, such as air defense missiles, are getting critically low.

At this point, Ukraine lacks enough men to use the weapons even if supplied.

Zelensky is an annoying little git and everyone is sick and tired of hearing his stupid accent and mangled malapropisms.

Okay, I admit I added the fourth one. The WaPo gave us three good reasons. I won’t repeat the article’s dumb arguments in favor of sending weapons, threadbare as they were. Take my word for it; they were all ineffable expressions of intangible, unquantifiable, zero-calorie, virtue-signaling nonsense, like “teaching other authoritarians a lesson.”

Yeah! Teach them a lesson! Wait, who? What lesson? Who cares! Rockets wheeeeeee

What was most remarkable about this otherwise unremarkable story was that the WaPo actually included both sides of the argument, a breathtaking reversion to pre-pandemic journalistic standards. It’s far too early to conclude the media is trying to rehabilitate itself; it’s more likely that the embargo on anti-Kiev reporting is over, because voters recently proved the constant stream of pro-war propaganda isn’t working anymore.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

It would require Senate ratification. 2/3 vote.

Hopium. Didn't say it will happen, but just saying it would be the best outcome. Russia gets the land it wants and Ukraine would then be protected as well. Create trade agreements like we did with neighbors. Mexico and Canada are basically states at this point.

Fact is Russia and Ukraine could get along outside of the NATO bullshit currently if they were both in it. It would fuck China and N. Korea over. It would wall China and N. Korea in and not act like cunts because India is no friend to China either. Lift the sanctions which are absolutely destroying Russia as they lie about stats.

I agree that 2/3rd of the Senate wouldn't approve it, but no one has actually tried. It could literally stabilize the entire Northeastern hemisphere overnight. Still have to get full approval of other NATO countries. So again, likely impossible. That would just leave the turd of Africa to figure out. South America is somewhat bad, but is overhyped because of Venezuela.

I don't know if Putin wants it either, but it could open up the floodgates of money for Russia and give them protection. There would be so many wins. If politics weren't involved it's an obvious solution. Given our own corruption, it's another avenue to get money for congress critters.

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/pentagon-secretly-awarded-covid-19-research-contract-to-ukraine-3-months-before-pandemic-existed/

The United States Department of Defence (DOD) awarded a contract to a bio-lab in Ukraine for “COVID-19 Research” on the 12th November 2019 – three months before the pandemic officially existed.

According to newly released documents, the contract awarded to Labyrinth Global Health INC was part of a secretive ‘Biological threat reduction program in Ukraine’.

Coincidentally, Labyrinth Global Health has been collaborating with Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance, and Ernest Wolfe’s Metabiota since its formation in 2017.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

goofus says

would be nice if he’d acknowledge that colossal failing.

He did.

https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/a-true-shock-economist-jeffrey-sachs

Thank you! Good article. It seems he did try, didn’t he. He’s viewed as a proponent of shock therapy, but perhaps not the “privatize all assets into the hands of 11 oligarchs, 10 of which are dual citizens with Israel and have western capital” version. https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/27/magazine/dr-jeffrey-sachs-shock-therapist.html

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/confused-senior-citizen-pledges-1-billion-to-exiled-nigerian-prince

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/strategic-withdrawal-wednesday-december

It’s kind of hard to overstate Zelensky’s inherent absurdity. He played the president on a TV show. They are literally making Wag the Dog into predictive programming.

As an actor, Zelensky performed from scripts written by anonymous scriptwriters. Zelensky came to the job with zero experience helpful for leading a country, much less leading a country in wartime. He’s not even a real history teacher. How does he successfully navigate Ukrainian politics? How did he learn what all the Cabinet positions do? How did this true outsider build constructive relationships with the established political actors and prevent opposition from arising?

Maybe Zelensky is an unrecognized prodigy or genius whose buried talents blossomed in a shock election just as absurd as his scripted election on Servant of the People. That could be. But it seems much more reasonable to believe Zelensky is a Biden-like puppet. Who’s writing his scripts now?

Yet the media never explains any of this or even mentions it at all. And that’s the point. It’s not our job to try to figure out what’s really going on in Eastern Europe and who’s pulling the strings behind the scenes. That’s the media’s job. Or at least it was the media’s job, until they sold out for easy government money and surrendered in cowardice after a few sly threats from the FBI.

Anyway, the point is you should be very suspicious, if not outright unbelieving, when the media boils complicated geopolitical events down into childlike, simplistic personality contrasts. It is not Putin versus Zelensky in Ukraine, don’t make me laugh. And it is just as much not Erdogan versus Assad in Syria.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/strategic-withdrawal-wednesday-december

Anyway, this was just a quirky religious interest story until I reached the paragraph explaining why exactly Russian prosecutors finally decided to ban the Satanic Temple. It wasn’t for being Satanists. Or at least, not just for being Satanists. No, Russia banned the Satanic Temple for being a United States dirty-tricks front group:

In a statement, the Prosecutor General’s Office accused members of The Satanic Temple of “promoting occult ideology” by using Satanic symbols to “discredit traditional spiritual and moral values” as well as “spreading destructive pseudo-theological ideas and justifying violence … with the support of US government agencies.”

Four years ago, I would have never even considered that the Satanic Temple, a demonic deception masquerading as an anti-religion religion, might actually have been started and controlled by the United States government. But after covid, the Twitter files, and after witnessing the Whitmer Fednapping Hoax, I’m pretty much prepared to consider just about anything.