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We should all just use silver by weight with each other


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2023 Feb 19, 8:00pm   24,519 views  190 comments

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https://coinmill.com/MXN_MXP.html#MXP=5000

The Mexican Peso was revalued on January 1, 1993. Pesos dated before that date (Old Mexican Pesos - MXP) are 1000 times less valuable than the New Mexican Pesos - MXN.


This is kind of funny because "peso" literally means "weight" of silver. But there is no silver in the peso anymore.

The US dollar has lost about 97% of its value from the time the Federal Reserve was created.

Why do we bother with their shit fiat currency at all? There is plenty of silver to use as currency, no shortage. And you can be sure its value won't go to zero like it does with all fiat currency eventually.

Would be nice if there were easily available small weights of pure silver available, but in the meantime, we could just use old US silver coins.

The important thing is to value currency by weight of pure silver, not bullshit pesos or dollars.


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170   Patrick   2024 May 12, 4:28pm  

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/nebraska-ends-income-taxes-gold-and-silver-declares-cbdcs-are-not-lawful-money


With Gov. Jim Pillen’s recent signature, Nebraska has become the 12th state to end capital gains taxes on sales of gold and silver.

LB 1317 is the fourth major sound money bill to become law this year, as state lawmakers across the nation scramble to protect the public from the ravages of inflation and runaway federal debt.

Under the new Nebraska law, any “gains” or “losses” on precious metal sales reported on federal income tax returns are backed out, thereby removing them from the calculation of a Nebraska taxpayer’s adjusted gross income (AGI).

Supported by the Sound Money Defense League, Money Metals Exchange, and in-state advocates, Nebraska’s sound money measure passed out of the unicameral legislature’s Revenue committee unanimously before being amended into a larger bill.

Sponsor Sen. Ben Hansen said upon news of the formal enactment of his legislation:

Gold and silver are the only forms of currency mentioned in our Constitution and with that comes the people’s ability to use it as such without penalty from the government. Saving, and using, gold and silver is our right and one of the only checks and balances to our federal government’s unending devaluation of our paper currency.

Taxpayers often realize ‘gains’ when converting the monetary metals back into Federal Reserve notes even though the ‘gains’ do not reflect an increase in real value but rather reflect the currency’s ongoing devaluation.
171   RWSGFY   2024 May 12, 6:08pm  

This is cute but they shouldʼve abolished SIT alltogether.
172   stereotomy   2024 May 12, 6:31pm  

Life should not be made arbitrarily hard for people who are honest and work hard. Life is hard in general, but humans should not make life harder for other humans just because it's fun to watch others grovel. That was the guiding principle of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution. Fuck all of you who don't believe me - read it for your commie selves.

Having to learn how to invest outside of your wheelhouse just to counter the corruption of the money that you earn through your livelihood - yes, the 1- and 2-sigma intelligent people can figure this shit out, but that's not the point. The point is, that a society that is structured to exploit the vast majority of its population for the sake of the few is doomed to fail. The Founders knew this. They tried to strike a balance so that the majority of the population could live their lives as they saw fit, without undue "government interference" AKA theft.

There are unfortunately many people who have trouble doing the basics of what needs to be done to succeed in our "modern" society. This is where I fault the so-called "Christians," for Christ says to seek a just society, a place for everyone. A society which is too greedy or too ignorant to figure out a plan whereby all members of that society can do the work that they can and earn a measure of the rewards that the society can dispense is an unjust society. I'm not talking about gravely sick people or otherwise severely but temporarily injured - I'm talking about average and below intelligence.
173   Patrick   2024 May 12, 9:22pm  

stereotomy says

Having to learn how to invest outside of your wheelhouse just to counter the corruption of the money that you earn through your livelihood


I agree, it's set up to exploit people who don't have time to learn about investing or the aptitude for it.

Silver by weight (not dollars, ever!) would fix this.

Weight alone, weight of 0.9999 pure silver.
174   Patrick   2024 May 12, 9:26pm  

RWSGFY says

This is cute but they shouldʼve abolished SIT alltogether.


I agree. Taxing income reduces the incentive to work.

Sales should also never be taxed, because commerce is good.

Land value is the only appropriate object of taxation, where "land" includes radio spectrum and other natural resources no one created. Between that and import tariffs, we could easily fund as much government as we actually need to have. Which is much less government that we currently have.
175   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 May 22, 8:11pm  

In the last 25 years since the end of 1999, gold has risen 736.2%, silver 484.4%, the Dow 248.2% and the S&P500 263.4%.
177   Patrick   2024 Dec 13, 10:54am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/man-up-friday-december-13-2024-c


Local News-4 Jacksonville ran a valuable story yesterday headlined, “Florida CFO announces launch of study to see how gold, silver can be used as legal tender.”

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/12/12/florida-cfo-announces-launch-of-study-to-see-how-gold-silver-can-be-used-as-legal-tender/

Florida’s Chief Financial Officer, Jimmy Patronis, announced an official Sunshine State study of an official state currency backed by precious metals not just hypothetically but “to determine the best way to get it done.” In addition to being useful as legal tender, to buy and sell goods and services in the Sunshine State, Patronis pointed out that gold and silver coins protect citizens against inflation and protect the state against a future central bank digital currency.

Concerns about proposals to issue legal coinage include precious metal price volatility, the inconvenience of safely storing them, how sale transactions could be handled elegantly and efficiently without requiring haggling over the set price, and the lurking risk of greedy Leprechauns.

Texas, is also pursuing an independent, gold-backed state digital currency, and is moving forward with its plan, which has been in the works since 2015. Making the gold-backed currency digital, if you can make it work, would resolve all the concerns over physical metal coins. Headline from the Jerusalem Post, two weeks ago:

Texas Pushes Forward with 100% Gold-Backed Transactional Currency Legislation
Texas unveils bold plan: Gold-backed digital currency. Lawmakers propose state-wide
digital coins fully redeemable in precious metals, offering alternative to traditional currency.


OK, but the digital currency should come with a HUGE warning: "Not money, only a debt, may default at any time."
178   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 13, 11:07am  

Patrick says


Texas Pushes Forward with 100% Gold-Backed Transactional Currency Legislation
Texas unveils bold plan: Gold-backed digital currency. Lawmakers propose state-wide
digital coins fully redeemable in precious metals, offering alternative to traditional currency.


Which will be overruled by SCOTUS.

States can only make gold and silver legal tender, not derivatives thereof. Nor can they coin money.

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
179   Patrick   2024 Dec 13, 12:53pm  

OK, I'm fine with only gold and silver as money, as long as it is by weight of pure metal alone and not in bullshit units which can be debased.

The Constitution is nice and clear about this.
180   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 13, 4:02pm  

And no paper for wages and small contracts. Metal only. MAYBE a ticket to metal in a storehouse with no charges (storage charges paid by the paper giver, not receiver), not a bank, but 100% reserves.

Otherwise the big boys hoard the metal and give everybody paper to a bank, which loans out 80-90% of the metal and only has a bit actually in house.

Also, foreign holders CANT get the metal, except a receipt for paper kept at a US storehouse. They can only get paper. GREAT way to balance the trade deficit; they can only spend US Metal in the USA.

Then, foreigners can only own US real estate by buying cash in metal, and bonding the purchase price equivalent in metal stored in the USA. Including foreign companies.

And finally, residential real estate income is taxed at short-term capital gains; unless the rent is paid in one lump sum over a year or more.
181   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 13, 4:14pm  

The Fed is replaced by the USPS Bank, which is the only entity issuing FHA loans. FHA and VA loans will be limited 25 years, dropping a year starting two years after the 25-year is imposed to 15.

If you can't pay it off in 15 years, you can't afford it. Or get a full private.bank loan. 15 year loans used to be the standard.

Make housing affordable again.

College loans are limited to STEM fields and capped at $20k year + CPI. and only available to the top 10% of students.
182   HeadSet   2024 Dec 13, 4:39pm  

AmericanKulak says

If you can't pay it off in 15 years, you can't afford it.

Bingo! Car loans should be 20% down and two years max.
183   stereotomy   2024 Dec 13, 5:17pm  

The first and greatest sin was permitting fractional reserve banking. That was the lie that seeded the great corruption that is overwhelming us today.

Banks pretend they have more money to lend (1000% more under 10% reserves) than they have. Eventually, everyone is pretending to own what is on credit, including the US gub'ment.
184   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 13, 5:18pm  

HeadSet says

Bingo! Car loans should be 20% down and two years max.

Yep.

I certainly don't remember 72-month loans back in the day.
185   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 13, 5:21pm  

stereotomy says


The first and greatest sin was permitting fractional reserve banking. That was the lie that seeded the great corruption that is overwhelming us today.

Banks pretend they have more money to lend (1000% more under 10% reserves) than they have. Eventually, everyone is pretending to own what is on credit, including the US gub'ment.

Right?

The late 19th century was a deflationary period. The price of almost everything went down over several decades.

It wasn't crazy a few decades ago for ordinary people that didn't have top 10% incomes to pay cash for a NEW car, or to pay tuition out of income.
186   HeadSet   2024 Dec 13, 6:20pm  

AmericanKulak says

The price of almost everything went down over several decades.

Yes, as it should when productivity increases.
187   Patrick   2024 Dec 13, 8:25pm  

But around the 1970's, all increases in productivity resulted in more money for shareholders and less than nothing for the workers who were being more productive.
188   HeadSet   2024 Dec 14, 6:12am  

Patrick says

But around the 1970's, all increases in productivity resulted in more money for shareholders and less than nothing for the workers who were being more productive.

Be careful about that statistic. For example, a small farm could have bought a tractor and replaced several workers. The labor costs have gone down for the farmer due to fewer workers, but that tractor driver gets paid more than any of the former field hands.
189   Patrick   2024 Dec 14, 6:53pm  

AmericanKulak says

If you can't pay it off in 15 years, you can't afford it.


True. All attempts at increasing "affordability" by guaranteeing loans or extending them actually make housing (or education, or whatever) less affordable by increasing the price. Suppliers always increase the price to negate any such "affordability" program. This is why housing and education prices are insane.

Banks love it. More and longer loans to collect interest on.

The public gets fucked, but is generally so stupid that they just don't understand.
190   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 14, 7:03pm  

I was reading the history of mortgages, and the immediate postwar decades, the mortgage was 15 years.

By 40, most men had paid off their homeloan or were about to.

Also, we need to make Credit Cards fall under the law of the state where the grantee lives.

"But states rights". No problem here. We are just changing the standard from the State Law of creditor to State Law of the grantee. Don't like it? Then Dakota credit companies don't loan in states with usury laws.

I suspect keeping people on the plantation as share-croppers was a side-effect.

There's been so many innovations, like the Grid Nail. That innovation alone reduced materials and time costs at least 15% from the suburban home builds of the 1940s-50s while increasing roof strength and reducing the need for load bearing interior walls. Yet houses are more expensive?!

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