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The H-1b Lie: This Program Must END


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2024 Dec 26, 4:13pm   401 views  56 comments

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Let's cut the crap on H-1b abuse: The H-1b program is in essentially every single case simple abuse, wild-eyed racism through the effective of the "caste" system into the US and destruction of the wage base .vs. the claimed purpose of the program.

In truth the H-1b garbage and the tech firms, including Elon's, shilling for it is nothing more than the same bullshit run by the construction industry when it comes to illegal aliens putting on roofs or farmers and picking strawberries. Neither industry wants to pay Americans a living wage and so both look for ways to cut their costs and stuff the rest of the money in their pockets. Breaking the law doesn't matter to them and yes, essentially every H-1b as currently used is breaking the law because the law requires first a diligent search for American talent at the wage said talent will accept and then, and only then you must pay more to legally use H-1bs. This is never the case, and the job-shop crap is even worse which I will go into detail on below. The so-called "tech bros" all know this, all exploit this and every single one of them should be imprisoned for suborning it, abusing Americans and foreigners alike.

One of the more-common abuses is to list a "job opening" that has a litany of "requirements" that no reasonably-skilled person in-field actually meets but magically some H-1b person "does." Or so they claim; said person really doesn't have five years of experience in the entire list proffered, but this is the basis of their claim "there's no American who can do this job." As someone who has more than forty years in the computer field as a programmer, networking and systems guy I can spot those "ads" instantly; every one of them is a fraud and used solely to avoid hiring an American. Let me be clear: The posting of a single one of those ads is proof of fraud and thus a felony for which the posting entity should be instantly arrested, indicted and everyone involved in it imprisoned.

If you really are an "exceptional" individual in-field you have no need for H-1b at all irrespective of your nationality; the claim that this program actually provides "exceptional" talent is a bald-faced lie that we must not tolerate in any venue. If you are truly exceptional in your field you can apply for and get an O-1 visa which allows you to work for three years in the United States, it can be extended for additional one year terms indefinitely, it has no tie to a specific employer so you can follow job opportunity or set up your own firm unlike the H-1b that does not and thus forces the holder to stay with the sponsoring company or depart the US, it can form the foundation (assuming you aren't misrepresenting anything and really are exceptional and prove it once you get here) for permanent residency and of course that, over time, can lead to citizenship.

So why don't they do that? Because nearly all of them are not really more-skilled than an average person and further if they were they'd turn their own nation into a technology powerhouse since they have four times our population or more and plenty of natural resources.

H-1b visas as illegally exploited today by industry are essentially indentured servitude. The worker is captive to the employer who sponsors the visa and what's worse is that an entire consulting industry has risen up around these things that siphons off a huge percentage of the pay; many of these people make only the minimum of about $55,000 a year with the rest going to the consulting company which is a direct violation of the intent of the program that is supposed to only allow their use at above-market wages. Of course this means the "employee" winds up working 80 hours a week for 40 hours of $27.50/hr in pay.

No, $55,000 for a "skilled" tech worker who is then expected to work double time for no extra money is not an above-market wage anywhere in the United States. It is in fact way below any such skilled position's wage and in addition that "wage" being that its a contractor position does not include either taxes or benefits.

I know multiple young men and women who, knowing my history in the tech sector from worker bee to CEO asked for my opinion on going to college and entering tech careers a decade or more ago and I warned them of the rise of this program and its abuse -- and that given the cost of a degree unless they had a full ride scholarship it was quite dangerous because they could end up with quite a lot of debt and then be undercut by an Indian on an H-1b who makes a hell of a lot less and they'd have no way to possibly survive and pay down their debt on that wage.

I'm aware of more than one of said young men and women, a few of who are definitely in the top 2% on an intellectual basis (that is, Mensa material and potential future superstars) who completed highly technical degrees with high honors and then left the tech industry entirely and don't work in it today. I do not know if they got directly fucked by the H-1b program as the reason but I bet at least in part it was due to lack of satisfaction with offered working conditions which is driven in large part by this insanity.

Those individuals have deliberately given the finger to the American tech industries despite having the intellectual and educational chops to be top engineers and possibly discover and implement breakthroughs that would change our lives. It is only reasonable to believe they made this decision to stick up their middle fingers due to external market conditions beyond their control and H-1b abuse is a big part of it. And by the way they are also not having kids either; by their actions they have zero intention of putting another generation in that position and this is despite having found an apparently-permanent heterosexual relationship.

Further, many of these so-called "technical people" on H-1bs, particularly from India, have bogus certificates and degrees that demonstrate nothing; they are really no better than an American with no experience who went through a couple of week bootcamp in Android programming or similar. There is utterly no reason that any of those people should be here instead of Americans doing those jobs; if the job is within their capabilities the average High School graduate can, with nothing more than a High School level of education, learn enough to work at that level inside of a few weeks time in learning.

But will they do that for $27.50/hour when they're treated like human trash and members of an "inferior caste" on the job? Not when they can make $20/hr doing what amounts to a near-mindless job at Buc-Ees and punch a clock with no project pressures and related BS -- they can do that instead with a reasonable path to being an assistant manager at over $30/hr and if they stick with it management jobs in that company, which you really can attain, come with a $100,000+ income over the space of a few years!

What's worse is the staunchest defenders of this crap are Indians who came here either on O-1s or otherwise managed to get out of the H-1b trap themselves and stay -- and now are either in those firms as management or running the job shops fucking all the other H-1b workers for 30+% of the billed hourly rate. They have now brought the Indian caste system with them and have to a large degree codified it into the United States workforce and thus love the job-shop abuse crap that goes on in the tech industry and it shows inexorably in the composition of the workforce that winds up under and around them over just a few years time.

You don't have to look beyond simply walking in the door or touring the neighborhoods where these workers live to see the racial discrimination against everyone other than them and just like every slavery system crafted through history its all about the money.

All of this must end; it is wildly illegal and found everywhere in the tech industry. Those who truly are exceptional, irrespective of nation, can already come here via the existing O-1 visa program which is purely merit-based and has exactly zero "pull" capacity by job shops and others who would seek to exploit those in other lands. The existing H-1b program does that in spades and effectively has become an import of the Indian caste system into the tech industries.

That is not embodiment of American values, it is illegal under federal anti-discrimination laws, it has been increasingly exploited to drive down wages and push Americans out of tech jobs and it must be entirely ended with prejudice right here and now as it is in fact no different than exploiting illegal Mexicans to put on roofs and pluck chickens.

If Trump does not do so then his claim of intent to "Make America Great Again" is just another political LIE and YOU are going to get it further up your ass as an American for the benefit of those who are not.
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1   mell   2024 Dec 26, 4:15pm  

Agree with KD here, I think H1Bs should be extremely limited if exist at all.
2   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 4:37pm  

I've been fucking raging about this all day.

The Big Tech Fucks and their HR Karen Shrews try to conflate O-1 visas, or Einstein visas, with H1Bs.

H1Bs are responsible for Starliner and 737Max "Code". The now ex-CEO of Boeing wrote a memo blasting old White Males for being too finicky about safety and quality, and that they were costing the company tons of money and sang praises of the H1Bs they had doing CAD and Coding.
3   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 5:13pm  

"HURR DURR, $40K for an accountant is not cheap labor secret doors".


FFS, $40k is cheap for a Gal Friday without any kind of Degree, just some Quickbooks knowledge.

My friend made $60k in 2000 the first year after graduating from a mid-tier school in Accounting... a quarter century ago.
4   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 6:22pm  

"We have such a Skillz shortage, we can pay our imported Senior Associate EINSTEINS and VON BRAUNS just $78k/year, and they accept that." - Corporate BS Department

6   mell   2024 Dec 26, 6:36pm  

My starting tech salary (h1!) almost 25 years ago inflation adjusted was 140k in today's greenbacks! Shows you how the American economy has gone down the shitter, incl. tech. If you haven't played other avenues such as the stock market or RE on the side, or gunned early for that useless gravy train c suite position, collecting as much "bonus" while bullshiting as much as possible, you lost out.
7   clambo   2024 Dec 26, 6:55pm  

The H1-B visa program is how the slave masters can legally hire foreigners to replace more expensive (and capable) American workers.
It's entirely bullshit.

A good friend of mine was working at Compaq during the internet boom; after Compaq was acquired by/merged with HP, Carly Fiorina fired him and a bunch of other Americans who were replaced by guys from India with H1-B visas.

My friend was pissed that he had to train the motherfuckers before he left.
He had at that time 1. mortgage 2. two children about to enter college.

I've heard all kinds of bullshit about how brilliant Asian guys are; well I don't know any Americans who willingly drink piss and think cows are people, nor believe seahorses and shark fins are medicinal.
8   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 6:56pm  

Asians work hard, but they're not innovative except ass kissing, they can charm Oscar the Grouch. When not putting metal into the microwave.
12   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 26, 7:35pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says






Looks like you didn’t get memo. Hindus are already angry at MAGA and planning its downfall.

https://x.com/atalovesyou/status/1871992522966516142
The heat Indian Americans are facing today will be the downfall of MAGA!!!

MAGA just messed up the relationship with the group that was standing with them all this time.
13   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 26, 7:38pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says







I had to find and fix Indian contractor code that was causing severe problems with performance on our e-commerce site.

Find one function used a lot. Was nested looping. Going through all the users photo albums and then the subalbums and then the photos of each. Then setting some other object with ids or some property that matched whatever they were looking for, etc.

Never mind that they could have used more efficient coding patterns to do that. What I caught was that they didn't end the nested loops once they found what they were looking for. It was like finding the fucking needle in the haystack, passing it off to whatever but still continung counting until that very last straw was done anyway.

And it was for one specific photo at a time.

I shit you not.
14   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Dec 26, 7:58pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

And it was for one specific photo at a time.

I shit you not.


LOLOL... I get shit like that from postdocs... Well, maybe not that bad.
15   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 8:03pm  

Elon just deverified Loomer, over H1B controversy.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1872489205764596006

First bad thing I've seen Elon do. Elon wants that sweet cheap H1Bs. Very sad. Hopefully it's just some overenthusiastic H1B visa employee and wasn't ordered by Elon himself.

Also Lindsay just decided that WokeRight includes H1B skeptics, so he blocked my ass. Apparently liberals can't believe in stopping wagebusting scams.

Sigh.

But remember:


16   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 26, 8:22pm  

https://x.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1872275698163027994/
This is what London looks like after being promised the same “bright and talented” workers Musk is trying to bring into America
17   Patrick   2024 Dec 26, 8:24pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says






In my first job, at Motorola, we were judged on the number of lines of code we produced per day. More code was assumed to be better.

But the best programmers produce negative lines of code per day, making everything more compact and clearer at the same time.
18   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 8:34pm  

AmericanKulak says


Elon just deverified Loomer, over H1B controversy.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1872489205764596006

Update: Apparently multiple H1B critic accounts are getting mysteriously deverified/debluechecked

RawAlerts, GavinsMarioWax, and others are getting their verification status cancelled for no reason or notice.

https://x.com/GavinWax/status/1872491448404451610

UPDATE: Owen Shroyer as well
https://x.com/OwenShroyer1776/status/1872491690331922903
19   AmericanKulak   2024 Dec 26, 10:24pm  

Parent of multiple college STEM graduates confused why his kids get no callbacks during a "Shortage"

https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/1872457167363522767

The same STEM programs that foreign-born students and their parents move mountains to try to get into.

We all know the REAL reason. They're Americans, White, and probably Male.
23   Tenpoundbass   2024 Dec 27, 7:54am  

Farmerswon today



24   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 7:58am  

Tenpoundbass says


Farmerswon today





Yes good day to be aware of Hindu danger.
Sikhs have already faced genocide at the hands of Hindus.

I am just warning you guys, Rest is your own decision.
26   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 8:03am  

Can someone tell this moron that decline started with mass immigration.. Few whites may be racist which Sikhs oppose .. But this country was built by them.

It will rise again if they are let to work on it and not replaced.
Send him to 🇮🇳, That shithole Needs lot of fixing.

https://x.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1872601840715772363
This is exactly the American spirit we need to revive. We’ve been a nation in decline, but it doesn’t have to stay that way. Change is coming on Jan 20. 🇺🇸
29   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 8:08am  

Booger says






Deport Elon to 🇮🇳. Let us see how his rockets work without American/German engineers.

Fucking Don of cheap Hindu labor mafia
31   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 8:09am  

Sikhs hitting hard Hindu white replacement cheap labor.

https://x.com/APSWasi/status/1872651401190588808

Saar, we are highly skilled people. We create jobs, we lub USA.

You dehumanize North American Sikhs regularly. How does it feel to get back some Karma?
32   GNL   2024 Dec 27, 8:20am  

mell says

Because nearly all of them are not really more-skilled than an average person and further if they were they'd turn their own nation into a technology powerhouse since they have four times our population or more and plenty of natural resources.

Why, then, would any serious company hire subpar employees? It's the top tier coders that make any real strides/innovations, no?
33   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 8:25am  

GNL says

mell says


Because nearly all of them are not really more-skilled than an average person and further if they were they'd turn their own nation into a technology powerhouse since they have four times our population or more and plenty of natural resources.

Why, then, would any serious company hire subpar employees? It's the top tier coders that make any real strides/innovations, no?


To replace whites with slave labor.
36   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 8:30am  

Indians are getting hit hard by MAGA!

Hindus had asked Jew help to defend them as they are more sneaky but seems like didn’t work well.

https://x.com/raymo_g/status/1872573819304730729/
38   FarmersWon   2024 Dec 27, 8:41am  

Good outcome if happens.
Sikhs were trying this for some time to get Hindu genocide brigade out.

https://x.com/Grewal2P/status/1872681559524028469

This might explain why there’s a backlash happening from MAGAs who are attacking Indians and Vivek on this app. Not going to end well for these people. Trump might feel the heat and get rid of Indians in his administration, especially if they’re pushing pro-Indian policies
39   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 27, 9:01am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says






I thought you didn't like memes, @WookieMan ?
40   WookieMan   2024 Dec 27, 9:15am  

Booger says





Different fields in engineering. Architects are technically engineers and clearly that's not a high priority in India. Same with sewer and water. I presume their roads are trash. Not to shit on programmers on this site, but I just don't consider that "engineering" so to speak. Everyone seems to call themselves an engineer now. You local dog walker is a leash engineer.

It's a pinkies up profession if you can call yourself an engineer.

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