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Please help the REIC!


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2007 Feb 8, 9:30am   21,128 views  301 comments

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sad LiarRealtwhore

Please help the REIC and banksters! (for those unfamiliar with the term, please refer to the Housing Bubble Glossary).

They need our help. Signs their beloved mega-global housing/credit bubble is beginning to falter are now everywhere and unmistakable. No matter how low toxic-mortgage lenders lower "standards", it appears that they've exhausted their supply of typical FBs (innumerate 'tards and Marshall Reddick-worshipping specuvestors) and now they're even running short on falling-knife-catchers.

Sure, they're counting on a taxpayer-funded federal bailout of banks/lenders and GSEs --after all isn't that what taxpayers are for? They don't call it "Privatize profits, Socialize Risk" for nothing, do they? That's a gimme. Problem is, even with suckers like YOU footing the bill for some f***ing idiots' mistakes, there's still no way to avoid some pain for the industry players. Some toxic lenders have already gone out of business, while others are restating incomes/losses and teetering on the edge of insolvency --and this is only the beginning! Plus, lots of newly minted Realthwhores, fly-by-night mortgage brokers and hit-the-number appraisers are now facing unemployment.

This just will not do! Pain and negative consequences are for thrifty, responsible suckers like you --not the REIC!! Oh, the humanity... what to do, what to do?

Wait --I've got it!:

The biggest problem right now with maintaining that permanently high plateau is that rents cannot easily be inflated with debt, the way housing prices can. There is no such thing as a fraudulent cash-out refis, HELOCs or neg-ams for renters --they must pay their rent with real earned income and/or savings (yes, some people out there still have savings --can you believe it?!). Since renters must pay rent using real money vs. monopoly bubblebucks, there's no way to ignite crazy bidding wars on rentals. And global wage arbitrage is keeping wages firmly in check --no inflation happening there (crooked CEOs excepted, of course). Sadly, there's currently no way to funnel huge amounts of Fed/MBS/Chinese liquidity into the hands of renters, so they can bid rents to the sky.

And herein lies the solution: the REIC must create new debt vehicles for RENTERS!

Your assignment: How can the REIC and banksters create enormous new debt vehicles for renters, capable of inflating rents as high as house prices, thereby cancelling the rent-vs.-buy imbalance --without having to resort to any of that pesky wage inflation?

Discuss, enjoy...
HARM

#housing

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168   Claire   2007 Feb 9, 10:23am  

Yeah but that is 1 DVD at a time limit 2 per month, I just get the new releases from ON-DEMAND when I feel like it

169   Allah   2007 Feb 9, 10:24am  

craigslist seems to be down, anyone else experiencing this?

170   Allah   2007 Feb 9, 10:29am  

Yeah but that is 1 DVD at a time limit 2 per month, I just get the new releases from ON-DEMAND when I feel like it

Wow! You mean there are people that watch more than 2 movies a month?

171   Paul189   2007 Feb 9, 10:37am  

I enjoy the 3 at a time for about $20. I turn them around pretty fast, so I watch at least 12 movies a month for this price. Netflix is certainly slower than it was at the begining. The term they use is throttling. After they lost the class action law suit they had to disclose that they intentionaly slow down the turn around for the accounts that turn over too many movies. Years ago I would drop off the movie at the main post office on my way to work and the next movie would be at my house the next day! That does not happen anymore but I still like the depth of the Netflix library so I don't see myself cancelling anytime soon,

172   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 9, 10:37am  

Wow! You mean there are people that watch more than 2 movies a month?

:-)

173   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 9, 10:45am  

justme :

The Jan stats do not show what happened in Jan. I think Jan wasn't as bad for some areas - at least Cupertino, because I know there were bidding wars and I know the people who bought.

I think it's normal. I wrote about this in last thread. People who have been waiting for a long time, can be scared about the spring bounce and there is still enough funny money available.

Catching a falling knife is not unusual pattern. Look, even that NEW which has a big chance of being BK has 20M share purchased today - just because it was 50% lower than Wed.

As has been said many times, without these there won't be lower comps.

174   Claire   2007 Feb 9, 2:12pm  

So Countrywide warns of rising defaults now - what next?

175   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 9, 2:23pm  

Claire:

Do you have a link ?

176   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 9, 2:52pm  

theotherside:

“Whatever shocks are ahead,” says del Missier, “the markets are better positioned to deal with them than they’ve ever been.”

Wow. :-) It's ironic that this is posted today. This article is a gem of "cluelessness". It talks about cheap money without mentioning anything about the currency manipulation and uncontrolled credit expansion. If anyone is interested in an easy primer, please check out the current post on Mish's blog for a hilarious take on this.

I will include additional quotes, far more interesting than you included.

And derivatives let financial institutions and traders manage their risks with mind-blowing precision.
...
What's more, many are depending on instruments that are highly leveraged, numbingly complex, and untested by a market downturn. Then again, derivatives might cushion the blow when the reckoning comes.

Derivatives are going to save the world. Yeah, right !

177   surfer-x   2007 Feb 9, 4:27pm  

HARM, cuddle, I too am Wesley Crusher

178   astrid   2007 Feb 9, 11:57pm  

Bummer, I'm Data?!!##!@

I don't like personality tests though, their choices never encompass my entire personality.

That's why I hate Crazy Casey so much, he spouts his Riggs result (probably something he took in middle school) as though it makes out his entire destiny.

180   Peter P   2007 Feb 10, 1:08am  

Bummer, I’m Data?!!##!@

My wife used to think I was Data. Then I became Harry Potter. :(

Soon I will be Barney.

181   astrid   2007 Feb 10, 1:15am  

It serves me right for misspelling Ford Prefect.

182   Allah   2007 Feb 10, 2:41am  

Here you go, 2 - 10 by 10 1 bedroom cells in the dungeon for $550/month (price negotiable if you don't mind the rats). Help a fellow FB save his house!

183   Peter P   2007 Feb 10, 3:30am  

Peter, I just realized you linked to the sci-fi/fantasy character thingy on my blog. Too funny.

SQT, I love your blog. :) Keep up the good work. Let us know if you want to inflate some thread bubbles there.

184   e   2007 Feb 10, 4:17am  

allah - for $500 a month, it's hard to find a room to rent in the Bay Area. And you can be sure it won't have its own entrance.

Here's the first one that popped up that's actually in the Bay Area:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/roo/276562722.html

$500 Share 2 bedroom duplex *** female perfered (san jose west)

Hi i looking to share two bedroom one bathroom duplex in west san jose ,located by sjcc ,this house comes with a very friendly pit bull ,Im a single dad and have my daughter part time so this is why i perfer a women over a man (safty)Utilities,basic cable ,wi-fi internet included ,$500 deposit

Uh yeah... that's not going to be awkward at all.

185   FormerAptBroker   2007 Feb 10, 4:22am  

Why so many people think that the "1% fixed rate" will never end:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAYnc_-ddlw

186   DinOR   2007 Feb 10, 4:59am  

"Derivatives are going to save the world. Yeah right !"

SiBA, your comments (along w/Mish's predictably sober view of reality) are the absolute correct context for that hastily put together article. Btw (and not to plug) but Mish had an announcement that he is joining www.sitkapacific.com (for all you *non-momentum players!) :)

Given his take on the economy I'm confident he'll do quite well. When appropriate..... I SAID (when appropriate!) throw some business at this guy. Anybody with that much passion for the truth has got to be a pretty stand up guy. Seattle could use some sobering up.

187   DinOR   2007 Feb 10, 5:09am  

"perfer a women over a man"

WomEn? Freudian slip if ever.....

Perhaps you will find a school marm type that can teach to freaking spell in between having torrid sex w/her/her friends?

WAFL!!!

188   DinOR   2007 Feb 10, 5:17am  

SQT,

Galadriel? :(

Can I try again? (I promise not to give a rip about anyone or any thing) if it would get me a cooler name. I was thinking....... Sledge Riprock?

Any MST3K fans out there?

189   Allah   2007 Feb 10, 5:19am  

“perfer a women over a man”

Does he mean 'prefer' or 'pervert'?

190   DinOR   2007 Feb 10, 5:27am  

allah,

Pervert.

191   Jimbo   2007 Feb 10, 6:00am  

A few comments back, someone said that they knew of someone with a 4 1/4% FRM. Let me just say that I find that unlikely. What is their total APR? They must have paid a bunch of points or something to get that rate.

In any case though, that is a very good move.

I am much prouder of my 5 1/4% 30 year FRM than the price I paid for my duplex. Though it has appreciated quite a bit since 2003, I cannot convince my wife to unload it, or even half of it, since you guys have me convinced that it is unlikely to appreciate much over the next 20 years.

She works in finance and I showed her the bubblizer, so there is hope...

192   DinOR   2007 Feb 10, 6:25am  

Jimbo,

That was probably me. I used to work with a guy that claimed whatever the *best possible rate was...... well that was what he got. Then again he'd been in the front row of Woodstock when Jimi Hendrix played the Star Spangled Banner. (rolls eyes into back of head) We figured out (given the range of ages he'd given over the years) that he would've been between 11 and 15 at the time.

Then, as now, it comes under "Whatever dude".

193   Jimbo   2007 Feb 10, 6:34am  

Heh, okay then. I never realized that loans ever even got that cheap.

Maaaaybe a 15 year, but even that was not really ever much lower than 4 3/4%. And that is not a jumbo, which is what you need here in the BA.

I do know a guy who got a 15 year FRM at 4 5/8% in Albequerque, but that was lowest one I have had from a reliable source. And I think he paid a point, so his real rate is a bit higher.

194   Different Sean   2007 Feb 10, 6:42am  

Riggs, or Myer-Briggs?

195   DinOR   2007 Feb 10, 6:48am  

Jimbo,

It's just part of the frustration that comes w/this whole package. My buddies that cold call for mortgages are forever telling me about loanowners that "have a growing family tree" (as per FAB's youtube link) not being able to distinguish between fixed and teaser rates.

"Oh, my loan is at ____% ! Can you BEAT THAT!"

Uh.... lady, you're SURE that's "fixed"?

Pause..... Oh I'm SURE!

Pffft. Whatever dudette.

196   FormerAptBroker   2007 Feb 10, 7:23am  

Jimbo Says:

> A few comments back, someone said that they
> knew of someone with a 4 1/4% FRM. Let me
> just say that I find that unlikely. What is their total
> APR? They must have paid a bunch of points or
> something to get that rate.

Not a lot of people have FRMs under 5%, but quite a few people that locked their rates between March and July 2003 when rates dropped like a rock did get rates that low. The low rates are what helped so many FBs get in to homes. The yield on the 10 year treasury almost went below 3% in June 2003 and LIBOR was below 2% for most of 2002-04. P.S. I locked the rate on a 10 year fixed rate apartment loan in the summer of 2003 with all in rate (just) under 4.25%...

197   B.A.C.A.H.   2007 Feb 10, 7:55am  

Somebody wrote on here why they "hate (somebody) so much".

Panic buying to "get in before (prices, loan rates) go up" is a (self-destructive) emotional reaction.

So is hate.

198   Jimbo   2007 Feb 10, 8:18am  

Wow, so it was possible. That was right about the time we purchased, March 2003.

Cheap money could still extend this out quite a bit. I don't really see any big impetus to drive rates up, but increased lender scrutiny of marginal homebuyers could have the same effect, at least on the bottom end of the market.

Haha, where did you get your number that 1/4 of the mortgages in Vallejo are in foreclosure? That numbers seems hard to believe to me. Is it just a "projected" number? If so, what is your source?

199   astrid   2007 Feb 10, 8:36am  

Probably Myer-Briggs. Too much time thinking about Friday Night Lights and very little time thinking about personality tests...

200   astrid   2007 Feb 10, 8:39am  

PS - anyone else here upgrade to Vista? I just bought a laptop loaded with Vista (because I recently spilled juice on my old laptop and killed it) and I'm not at all impressed. It seems to run very slowly.

I may return this laptop and get myself a Linux machine.

201   e   2007 Feb 10, 9:06am  

PS - anyone else here upgrade to Vista? I just bought a laptop loaded with Vista (because I recently spilled juice on my old laptop and killed it) and I’m not at all impressed. It seems to run very slowly.

I upgraded a laptop I got in 2004 with Vista. It actually boots FASTER. The other apps run just as fast.

The key is that I have 1.5 gigs of memory. If you don't have more than 1gig - uh... yeah... :(

202   astrid   2007 Feb 10, 9:08am  

No, I think it's 512 MB expandable to 2 gigs. I'll have to try it with a memory stick and see if that helps it run faster.

It does boot up faster.

203   astrid   2007 Feb 10, 9:31am  

Pitbull, kid on weekend, barely literate casanova wannabe, SHARING A BATHROOM...WTF?

Yes, of course I'd want to room with this guy. The only thing missing from the description is an interest in activites at 420 and the career choice of drummer in a garage band.

204   Brand165   2007 Feb 10, 10:16am  

I like the Debt Relief of America, Inc. banner ad right now. "Eliminate up to 75% of your debt. Never pay back the debt that is settled!"

See, money is free. We all need to loosen up our spending and borrowing so that we can keep the U.S. economy clipping along at its current rate of growth. And if you borrow too much, just settle the debt and get out of jail free!

205   Peter P   2007 Feb 10, 12:44pm  

No, I think it’s 512 MB expandable to 2 gigs. I’ll have to try it with a memory stick and see if that helps it run faster.

Yes, you definitely want at least 1 gig of RAM. What kind of memory stick do you have?

206   surfer-x   2007 Feb 10, 1:43pm  

Just remember, and tell yourself while you look into the mirror, "I am a baller", tell yourself this each and every day, when you drive your Hyundai, "I'm a baller", when you pay over 1/2 of your monthly take home pay towards a I/O mortgage, "I'm a baller", when you pay your rent with a credit card check, "I'm a baller", when you wonder why that 60" plasma didn't make you happy after all, "I'm a baller".

On second thought, just go fuck yourself.

207   surfer-x   2007 Feb 10, 2:36pm  

Why the fuck not?

tinyurl.com/2bhmso

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